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Torture and chemical weapons in Iraq
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And you thought I was talking about Saddam! HA!



US 'killed civilians with chemicals'
A lawyer defending some of Saddam Hussein's co-defendants was shot dead yesterday.


US forces in Iraq have used incendiary white phosphorus against civilians and a firebomb similar to napalm against military targets, Italian broadcaster RAI reported yesterday. A documentary showed images of bodies recovered after a November 2004 offensive by US troops on Fallujah, which it said proved the use of white phosphorus against men, women and children who were burned to the bone.

"I do know that white phosphorus was used," said Jeff Englehart in the RAI documentary, which identified him as a former soldier in the US 1st Infantry Division in Iraq.

The US military says white phosphorus is a conventional weapon and says it does not use any chemical arms. "Burned bodies. Burned children and burned women," said Englehart, who RAI said had taken part in the Fallujah offensive. "White phosphorus kills indiscriminately."

US military spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Steven Boylan said he did not recall white phosphorus being used in Fallujah.

An incendiary device, white phosphorus is used by the military to conceal troop movements with smoke, mark targets or light up combat areas. The use of incendiary weapons against civilians has been banned by the Geneva Convention since 1980. But the US did not sign the relevant protocol to the convention, a UN official in New York said.

Some Western newspapers reported at the time that white phosphorus had been used during the offensive.

In the documentary called Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre, RAI also said US forces used the Mark 77 firebomb, a weapon similar to napalm, on military targets in Iraq in 2003.

It cited a letter it said came from British Armed Forces Minister Adam Ingram, claiming 30 MK 77 weapons were used on military targets in Iraq between March 31 and April 2, 2003.

Meanwhile, fresh doubts have been raised over the trial of Saddam Hussein after a second defence lawyer was murdered yesterday by gunmen in Baghdad. Adel al-Zubeidi, representing former vice-president Taha Yassin Ramadan, was shot dead, while fellow defence lawyer Thamir al-Khuzaie was wounded in an ambush in the capital.

This was the second assassination of lawyers acting for Saddam and seven other defendants. Saadoun al-Jananbi was killed last month just days after appearing in the special court trying the case.

Defence lawyers said afterwardsthey may boycott the proceedings until they get security.

Three gunmen in Adil, a predominantly Sunni neighbourhood, carried out yesterday's attack. Khalil al-Dulaimi, Saddam's main lawyer, claimed the shooting was carried out by "an armed group using government vehicles."

But Richard Goldstone, the first prosecutor at the International Criminal Tribunal for Former Yugoslavia, said the court should be moved to a neighbouring Arab country.

"I don't understand how you can have a fair trial in this atmosphere of insecurity with bombs goi(© Independent News Service)

Phil Stewart and
Kim Sengupta




I love the semantics Americans engage in to excuse their behavior. Errrrrrr cruel and inhumane treatment isn't really torture...errrrr phosphorous isn't really a chemical.

You guys are no better than Saddam.

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Re: Torture and chemical weapons in Iraq [Haondotri] [ In reply to ]
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Just to balance

http://dailyablution.blogs.com/...ablution_exclus.html



"It's not clear just what the images in the RAI video show, but, based on the intact clothing, this evidence suggests that it something other than charred phosphorus victims. While he hasn't seen the video, and so couldn't comment directly about it, Mr. Pike told me that the Indy's description of "clothes largely intact but skin dissolved, caramelised or turned the consistency of leather" sounded like "generic corpses" that had been exposed to the environment for a couple of weeks."
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Re: Torture and chemical weapons in Iraq [Haondotri] [ In reply to ]
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"A documentary showed images of bodies recovered after a November 2004 offensive by US troops on Fallujah, which it said proved the use of white phosphorus against men, women and children who were burned to the bone."

How many have family and, or friends in the combative forces? How many here think that these people you are related to personally would deliberately use phosphorous or any other kind of weapon to attack civillians men, women and children? K

How many think the command over there has this kind of policy? If so why? To get an upper hand on the war? To risk being exposed so that it can be used as a good PR excercise?

Civillian toll occurs in every war as collateral damage. Such is one of the major ugly aspects of war. And in isolated cases allied/US troops have snapped and gone on a rampage against civillians.

But to present it as if it was common practice or some kind of official policy of US troops ...is really way over the top. And very rich if you happen to be a Muslim making these criticisms because this exact kind of behaviour targeting civillian men, women and children when performed by your brothers that is not only justified but celebrated as blissful Jihad. The even more ironic thing is the insurgence perpetrators blowing up brother and sister Muslim civillians as well as children on a fairly consistent basis now...in the name of Islam.

Isolating an aspect in order to raise anti-sentiment Americanism is fine if you're a Muslim with a tainted anti American sentiments anyway. It's really pretty unforgiveable if you are an American citizen and make a habit of doing this all the time. Either way it's not taking in the whole picture and therefore a gross distortion of the real truth.
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 White phosphorus , Willy Pete . Always a favorite for marking targets , starting fires . But a chemical weapon Na , not in the big picture. Hell WWII they fire bombed Dresden 3 times in one day 98% civilian target 250K burned in a few days in the fire strom . Its all old hat for U.S

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Last edited by: Helitech: Nov 9, 05 18:24
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Re: Torture and chemical weapons in Iraq [Helitech] [ In reply to ]
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I just wanna know....can we use chemical weapons to torture Saddam et al while they're in Iraq? That's really the question here.

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