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Funny judge in ID case
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(background: the trial is a non-jury trial. At one point, the judge demanded a transcript of two depositions by a witness for the defense (a school board member), and proceeded to cross-examine the witness himself to give the guy a chance to clear up the inconsistencies in his testimony (he couldn't), getting more and more angry by the moment. Pretty wild stuff, if you read some of the court transcripts and newspaper article descriptions of the goings-on. One of the obviously biased reporters is trying to get the board to adopt his idea that cows think in Spanish, noting that it seems to meet Dr. Behe's criteria for "science"; if not that, then teach the controversy over this "theory".)

The six week trial is now in the last day. "Bacterial flagellum" has been raised by the defense and debated innumerable times. Things have been getting rather tedious at times, too.

Seems that the first edition of the book "Of Pandas and People", which was being pushed by the school board, used the word "creationism" quite liberally. The next (and current) edition was shown at trial to have numerous instances where the word "creationism" was merely replaced with the phrase "intelligent design". Drafts of the future edition was shown at trial to have had the phrase "intelligent design" replaced with the phrase "purposeful arrangement of parts" (a phrase stubbornly used over and over in Dr. Behe's testimony when (not) answering questions). After noting that the courts had ruled in previous trials against creationism in public schools, and this trial was now debating intelligent design, the plaintiff's attorney asked (I believe) Dr. Behe if in the future we would see a "purposeful arragement of parts" trial. "Not on my docket", said the judge.

You had to be there, I guess.

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Re: Funny judge in ID case [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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That trial is an absolutely wonderful thing. It is high comedy.

The wackos on the school board are constantly tripping over their own lies about why they really want "Intellectual Design" taught in the science classes.

Lying Christians, who'da thunk it?
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Re: Funny judge in ID case [adamb] [ In reply to ]
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The problem is that the ID people are just smart enough to know that "creationism" isn't going to fly, but not smart enough to quite build an intellectual structure that is actually convincing when under scrutiny. That's how they find themselves in this pathetic bind, talking around the 800 pound gorilla, thinking that nobody else notices. Meanwhile they are the naked emperors.


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Re: Funny judge in ID case [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Is there a link to this?
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Re: Funny judge in ID case [elund] [ In reply to ]
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Try www.ydr.com (York Daily Record; they have a section on "Dover Biology"; Mike Argento is the dubious and funny columnist) and http://aclupa.blogspot.com/ for access to the transcripts, news articles, references, and commentary.

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Last edited by: klehner: Nov 4, 05 16:12
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Re: Funny judge in ID case [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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...A Judge with a sense of humor:

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a1_5evolutionnov05,0,6531970.story
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Following closing arguments, Jones thanked both sides, telling the lawyers, ''Every single one of you made me aware of why I became a lawyer and why I became a judge. … Your advocacy was so impressive to me.''

He urged the lawyers to submit final documents within the next 21 days, saying he'd like to reach a verdict by year's end.

Gillen noted that Friday marked the 40th day since the trial began and asked Jones whether 40 days and 40 nights was his intent.

''That was an interesting coincidence,'' Jones retorted, then paused. ''But it was not by design.

The courtroom erupted into laughter and applause and Jones stood up and left.
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Insight to Jones' mindset?

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