Yet he was a pro at the time.

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Way to go Norwegian boner killer.

A lad did 3.57 at Busso a few weeks back - Its a flat course but was a warm and windy day. The lead AGers regularly go close to 4, but I think getting under is pretty rare.

Yeah it wasn't a fast day, so 3.57 was good. Who was that? Was he racing open or AG?

The AGers I know that are are on or around 4 hours are all working part time and training full time like pros.

Brett Johnson. He was racing ag, the open guys were all under 4 I think. I'm still sore, I thought i had the ag race wrapped up until Brett came in.

ah, slowtwitch. the only place where you get shit for racing a 3:58 half as an amateur.

never change.

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Fun fact, that was the first and only 70.3 Kyle Hooker has done. And he's a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy and all around great dude.

I n the hope to make it pro or just because they can?

Times in tri are irrelevant. Course maybe short. possible draft fest. swim maybe current assisted. bike maybe superbike. shoes maybe nike % bouncer fly

It would be nice if we had an 'era' calculator for tri, based off of tech change phases
* pre 1990 - the real heros
* 1990- 2000 aero bars, wetsuits come to play
* 2000-2015 carbon molded bike era.
* 2015+ superbike and carbon shoe era

Nice info, where is that screenshot from?

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Not sure. I guess for some the reality of being "pro" isn't that enticing. They go from being a top AGer who always gets on the podium to someone who finishes bottom of the pack. Being a "slow" pro brings very little in the way of money of recognition, you would probably attract more sponsors and attention as a fast AGer.

You forgot global Warming, which means lower Air density and in general stronger winds. And it doesn’t matter as much if there’s a headwind since Air density is lower. On the other hand, EPO was a pretty big thing in endurance sports in the 90’s.
What’s your point?
Of course times matter, if you have the fastest time, you’ve won...
Just compare times from the same era with each other. Let’s make a comparison to F1, are all the drivers putting in times that are faster than ever before? - yes. Does that mean all the drivers that were before them? - no. Best way to compare athletes across different eras is to see How dominant they were compared to the competition.

yes that is what Im trying to say. F1 not a great example, they had to set many rules to prevent the cars from literally flying off the track - good youtube series i was watching on f1 through the years. such as the front 2 wheel car (Tyrrell P34), etc..

ObsTri / Fastest IM Search Results!

NameRaceYearTime1Luca Facchinetti
M30-34 - IT
IRONMAN 70.3 Turkey20193:51:042Matt Mcwilliams
M25-29 - US
IRONMAN 70.3 Muncie20193:51:313Ashley Hurdman
M30-34 - GB
IRONMAN 70.3 Turkey20203:51:404Kyle Hooker
M30-34 - US
IRONMAN 70.3 Texas20193:52:305Jirimy Jurkiewicz
M25-29 - ZZ
IRONMAN 70.3 Brazil20133:52:406Igor Amorelli
M25-29 - ZZ
IRONMAN 70.3 Brazil20133:52:427Jonathan Ciavattella
M30-34 - IT
IRONMAN 70.3 Budapest20143:52:598Kristoffer Visti Graae
M25-29 - DK
IRONMAN 70.3 European Championship Elsinore20193:53:249Clayton Fettell
M25-29 - AU
IRONMAN 70.3 Port Macquarie20113:53:2910Brian Duffy
M25-29 - US
IRONMAN 70.3 Atlantic City20163:53:4411Adriano Engelhardt
M25-29 - SZ
IRONMAN 70.3 Gdynia20193:53:5612Clay Emge
M30-34 - US
IRONMAN 70.3 Texas20183:55:0213Adam Lambrechts
M25-29 - BE
IRONMAN 70.3 Turkey20193:55:0314Antonio Colom Mas
M35-39 - ES
IRONMAN 70.3 World Championship20143:55:0615Eduardo Della Maggiora
M35-39 - CL
IRONMAN 70.3 Calgary20173:55:0616Markus Rolli
M25-29 - DE
IRONMAN 70.3 Ruegen20163:55:1217Matthew Brooke
M30-34 - GB
IRONMAN 70.3 Turkey20203:55:1318Antonio Colom Mas
M35-39 - ES
IRONMAN 70.3 Mallorca20133:55:2019Timothy James Reed
M25-29 - AU
IRONMAN 70.3 Port Macquarie20113:55:2920Tom Rodgers
M18-24 - AU
IRONMAN 70.3 Western Australia20163:55:36

That for a given physical performance today, the time in a HIM could easily be 10 minutes faster than it was 30 years ago if you have a superbike, skinsuit, and Vaporfly4%s.

Yes, in any given race the fastest time wins. But it's hard to understate how massive some of the technology improvements have been. I started in the mid-to-late 90s and I constantly astounded at how much better the tech is.

So to your point, breaking 4 hrs is arbitrary (it doesn't matter), more interesting question would be what's the largest margin of victory for an amateur in a major 70.3 race? That would tell us much more about dominance than what the time was. Because pretty much anytime you hear about a really fast winning time in some race, there were a lot of really fast times in the race (meaning the course was either short or they had massively favorable conditions) not because of some incredibly dominant performance by with the winner resulting in a huge margin of victory.

This guys seems to beat the competition by 10 mins plus on a regular basis.




NameDiv.Gen.Ovr.SwimBikeRunOverallDPI 1
🥇
Matt Mcwilliams
M25-29 - US - #43
11130:152:04:571:12:023:51:3199.8

2
🥇
Eric Engel
M30-34 - US - #1718
12229:012:08:211:19:504:01:35100.8


NameDiv.Gen.Ovr.SwimBikeRunOverallDPI 1
🥇
Matt Mcwilliams
M25-29 - US - #182
11130:472:09:181:13:074:00:40102.7

2
🥇
Thomas Lennon
M35-39 - US - #71
12232:112:09:181:19:414:09:12101.4



NameDiv.Gen.Ovr.SwimBikeRunOverallDPI 1
🥇
Matt Mcwilliams
M25-29 - US - #43
11130:152:04:571:12:023:51:3199.8

2
🥇
Eric Engel
M30-34 - US - #1718
12229:012:08:211:19:504:01:35100.8

Yes Matt is a beast. Also ran a 2:21 marathon last winter. He took his pro card for 2020.