Has anyone had experience to share about any of the yaqui bikes. I am looking to get a road bike and a TT bike for TT's and Triathlons so it needs to be UCI legal. How does the P3 compare to the Carbo or Mariola, How much difference does the curved seat tube make over a semi-aero straight one like yaqui's? Also not sure what to get for a road bike, does areo tubing make much difference for road racing? Cervelo's new R2.5 isn't very aero. Any other brand reccomendations? I like the fit and aero and quality of Yaqui as well as Cervelo with the aero edge going to Cervelo and fit to Yaqui.
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Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [trijunior]
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"Cervelo's new R2.5 isn't very aero"
Very few road bikes are aero. Since they are designed for riding in the aerodynamics of the group, the need for aero tubing or wheels is minimal. The only aero tubed road bike that I can think of is the Cervelo Soloist, and it's marketed as a sort of hybrid road/TT bike.
Very few road bikes are aero. Since they are designed for riding in the aerodynamics of the group, the need for aero tubing or wheels is minimal. The only aero tubed road bike that I can think of is the Cervelo Soloist, and it's marketed as a sort of hybrid road/TT bike.
Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [trijunior]
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I'm to the point where I'm throwing aero minutiae out the window. If I can't tell the difference, then I frankly don't care. I know I go faster with aerobars, so they're in. Round tube vs. aero tube?? I'm kidding myself if I think I think it will make a real difference for me. But I'm positive that good fit and a well built bike are things I care about. Fortunately I think both Yaqui and Cervelos are very well built.
The bottom line is that "aero" tubes look cool and sell very well. That's why they're so popular. Power and position make you go fast.
The bottom line is that "aero" tubes look cool and sell very well. That's why they're so popular. Power and position make you go fast.
Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [Pooks]
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"aero" tubes look cool and sell very well.
Also, a lot of things sold as "aero" really aren't. Cervelo's tubes are genuine aero shaped but many others aren't.
Also, a lot of things sold as "aero" really aren't. Cervelo's tubes are genuine aero shaped but many others aren't.
Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [cerveloguy]
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On the subject of aero tubes.. I read somewhere that they do not provide much benefit below 24 mph.. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
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Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [trijunior]
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Trijunior,
I own a Yaqui Mariola tri bike and a Cervelo Prodigy road bike. Both are excellent bikes. In addition, working with Ves Mandaric to get the proper fit on the Yaqui was a real treat. As long as you get the correct fit, it's unlikely that you'll go wrong by buying a road or tri bike from either company.
Michael Bey
I own a Yaqui Mariola tri bike and a Cervelo Prodigy road bike. Both are excellent bikes. In addition, working with Ves Mandaric to get the proper fit on the Yaqui was a real treat. As long as you get the correct fit, it's unlikely that you'll go wrong by buying a road or tri bike from either company.
Michael Bey
Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [trijunior]
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I've owned both a Mariola and a P3 this year. Both are great bikes, however I would have to claim preference to the P3 by a slight margin. It's hard to quantify, but the P3 just feels fast and more responsive.
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Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [TheChameleon]
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"That claim is absolutely not correct."
why not?
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why not?
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Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [trijunior]
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I hope you realize how fortunate you are to be considering bikes of this caliber!
Obviously, I chose the Yaqui. I could never get a Cervelo in my size in one of the local shops to try it out for a test, and I trusted Ves Mandaric to get the fit right. Man, did he get it right! I'm more pleased than I thought I'd be. Still, I don't know how the Cervelo rides/handles.
As far as the "aero" qualities...Cervelo's downtubes are, reportedly, shaped to a specific aircraft wing (NACA?) profile, and as such, should be very "aero". However, the Yaqui downtube can be built with a similar shape, but even smaller in width. Who knows which would show better "aero" characteristics on a bike? And, would it be enough to make a difference? I don't know.
Are both bikes good? Yes. If I had to do it over again, would I get a Yaqui Carbo? Yes. Have I ever had someone on a Cervelo pass me in a race? Not yet...but, they start us old guys just in front of the newbies, and newbies don't have P3's very often, and there aren't many old guys in my group that out-bike me, so that's not a fair comparison. Who keeps asking me these questions so that I can answer exactly the way I want to? Me. Does my opinion actually mean anything of value to others? Not as much as I think it should ;)
Quid quid latine dictum sit altum videtur
(That which is said in Latin sounds profound)
Obviously, I chose the Yaqui. I could never get a Cervelo in my size in one of the local shops to try it out for a test, and I trusted Ves Mandaric to get the fit right. Man, did he get it right! I'm more pleased than I thought I'd be. Still, I don't know how the Cervelo rides/handles.
As far as the "aero" qualities...Cervelo's downtubes are, reportedly, shaped to a specific aircraft wing (NACA?) profile, and as such, should be very "aero". However, the Yaqui downtube can be built with a similar shape, but even smaller in width. Who knows which would show better "aero" characteristics on a bike? And, would it be enough to make a difference? I don't know.
Are both bikes good? Yes. If I had to do it over again, would I get a Yaqui Carbo? Yes. Have I ever had someone on a Cervelo pass me in a race? Not yet...but, they start us old guys just in front of the newbies, and newbies don't have P3's very often, and there aren't many old guys in my group that out-bike me, so that's not a fair comparison. Who keeps asking me these questions so that I can answer exactly the way I want to? Me. Does my opinion actually mean anything of value to others? Not as much as I think it should ;)
Quid quid latine dictum sit altum videtur
(That which is said in Latin sounds profound)
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Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [TheChameleon]
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very true that even at 5 mph aero dudads will cut through the air better. my thing is are all these aero gizmos giving the mid packer bang for there buck? is it worth someone having a p3 if they only go 18 mph? wouldn't that money be better spent else where? like a trip to the north shore where they can learn to surf or a computrainer or coaching or sponosring me?
people can spend thier money where they want. i say buy what you want but is the aero money worth it?
customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.
people can spend thier money where they want. i say buy what you want but is the aero money worth it?
customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.
Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [customerjon]
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Re: whether or not the aero doodads are "worth it"...it depends. IF having a P3 makes someone enjoy triathlons more, ride more, race more, be happier with their lives, be kind to small children and animals, then YES, it is worth it, every last penny. If it only makes the bike-split a few seconds or even a few minutes faster for a MOP'er, and they don't really care about those few seconds or minutes and they don't really enjoy the equipment more than "non-aero" equipment, then no, it's not worth it. If it is an elite or pro that depends upon the machine for his or her livelyhood, yes, it is worth it. If it is a person dedicated to qualifying for Kona and they are successful by just a few seconds on their H3 wheels and P2K, or Yaqui, or Kestrel, or Litespeed, or small-tubed steel-framed bike (yes, that can be a very good "aero" setup), then, yes, it is worth it. Personally, I really enjoy beating my old records, so I'm often looking for ways to go faster, including working on my engine. My H3 front, Renn disc rear, Yaqui Carbo and PowerCranks have all added to my enjoyment of riding and racing, and I have yet to be disappointed in any of their performance-enhancing qualities, in fact, I'm downright stunned sometimes at my bike splits, and I'm always stunned at my run splits. So, they've all been worth it to me.
Quid quid latine dictum sit altum videtur
(That which is said in Latin sounds profound)
Quid quid latine dictum sit altum videtur
(That which is said in Latin sounds profound)
Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [yaquicarbo]
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your words ring very true.
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customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.
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Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [TheChameleon]
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"In other words, you're saying you were wrong? If so, why not just be a man and admit it outright?"
you seem tense. may i recomend a back rub?
yes i was wrong in how i put across my ideas. i did the typical human thing of thinking my ideas of how to live life are the best. i'm less gear more action kinda dude. so yes my post was ill thought out and wrong.
and who says i want to be a man? how do you not know i really want to be 'SHELLY QUEEN OF TEXAS!' but can't afford the surgery?
customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.
you seem tense. may i recomend a back rub?
yes i was wrong in how i put across my ideas. i did the typical human thing of thinking my ideas of how to live life are the best. i'm less gear more action kinda dude. so yes my post was ill thought out and wrong.
and who says i want to be a man? how do you not know i really want to be 'SHELLY QUEEN OF TEXAS!' but can't afford the surgery?
customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.
Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [trijunior]
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Last year I also narrowed my bike decision down to the P3 vs Yaqui Carbo. Went with the Carbo because I wanted a perfect fit and got a custom from Ves. The results have been great. The bike is very comfortable and fast and I have won 2 local races on it and qualified for Hawaii. Can't say enough good things about Ves and his bikes. 2 of my buddies liked my bike so much they also bought Yaqui's. The only bad thing about that is that at races I no longer have the only Yaqui. If you want to be sure you have a great fit talk to Ves.
Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [trijunior]
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I would like to point out that you can get yaqui in a custom geometry which I think is worht more than any aero benefits that you can get...
What is a Trijunior
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Okay, I've been watching this thread for a while now, but hadn't posted yet.
First quick question: Are you really a Junior Triathlete? If so I must say you have a right nice budget to work with.
Second: How many P3's and Yaqui do you see around your local tri's. I'd go with which ever is less common.
My philosophy is, if it looks fast, you go faster. Personally I'd say if you go with cervelo, talk to "Hot Tubes" and get a custom paint job. If you go with Yaqui pick a stand-out color.
-It's not about who wins or loses, it's about who looks the coolest doing it.
First quick question: Are you really a Junior Triathlete? If so I must say you have a right nice budget to work with.
Second: How many P3's and Yaqui do you see around your local tri's. I'd go with which ever is less common.
My philosophy is, if it looks fast, you go faster. Personally I'd say if you go with cervelo, talk to "Hot Tubes" and get a custom paint job. If you go with Yaqui pick a stand-out color.
-It's not about who wins or loses, it's about who looks the coolest doing it.
Re: Yaqui vs. Cervelo [customerjon]
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Hate to break it to you, but Texas already has a queen. Her name's Kik.
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Re: What is a Trijunior [Ze Gopha]
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I had a Guru in the Flash paint scheme...people were always commenting on it. I took your line of thinking and got the Red Yaqui. One of the best looking bikes I've seen recently was a silver Guru Trilight with the full carbon rear triangle...I think a buddy of mine is about to put a deposit down on that bike...and I'll bet anyone a thousand dollars he will go faster on it than his current Cannondale...because it looks faster and more cool. Looks DO count to many of us. Plus, he's being fit by an expert, and he will enjoy riding so much more on that new bike...all that adds up to more speed.
Quid quid latine dictum sit altum videtur
(That which is said in Latin sounds profound)
Quid quid latine dictum sit altum videtur
(That which is said in Latin sounds profound)
Re: What is a Trijunior [yaquicarbo]
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No doubt about it, the Red Yaqui's are the fastest color.
Re: What is a Trijunior [Ze Gopha]
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Yes I am. I started as one anyhow but have now become hooked on cycling and will be attempting to qualify for a lajors camp next year. The budget is streteched very easily when you work for a bike shop, I guess that's the beauty of working in a bike shop. Also, anyone had a road bike with road geometery built by ves? I think the aftermarket value of a cervelo would be much better?
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
I just met Ves today and was at his shop getting measured for my new bike. Who hoo!! It turns out that I was lucky enough to fit a standard size so didn't have to get a custom like I was planning. Doing so would have added a $200 charge and we're talking about a couple of mm in one dimension. Ves makes road bikes too under the Mandaric badge. (http://www.mandaric.com) He pulled out his bike to show me an example of some pretty damn cool paint work.
Anyway, I was excited about getting a Yaqui before today, but now I'm really pumped. The guy obviously knows his stuff (just ask him why he chose any particular tube on any of his bikes), is passionate about making bikes, and the quality of his bikes that I've seen at races and in his shop is fantastic. The website does not do them justice. Unfortunately for my LBS, I wonder if I'll ever buy a bike through one again. There's something to be said for having access to the owner of the company as well as the guy who will be building your bike for YOU. I like the fact that in this case it's the same person. I ended up getting a complete bike and could literally pick each component if I wanted with no hassle. He didn't even give me a hard time when it took me forever to settle on a paintjob.
"I think the aftermarket value of a cervelo would be much better?" I read that and laughed because this is a thought that has never occured to me but I guess it's a perfectly logical question. When I buy a bike it's with the assumption that I'm going to ride it until its death. So I'm only looking for what's appealing to me not future owners.
Assuming you can get a bike that fits well from either company, I don't think you can lose on this one. So far I'm very happy with the route I've chosen. I'll know more in a couple weeks.
Thanks again Ves!
Anyway, I was excited about getting a Yaqui before today, but now I'm really pumped. The guy obviously knows his stuff (just ask him why he chose any particular tube on any of his bikes), is passionate about making bikes, and the quality of his bikes that I've seen at races and in his shop is fantastic. The website does not do them justice. Unfortunately for my LBS, I wonder if I'll ever buy a bike through one again. There's something to be said for having access to the owner of the company as well as the guy who will be building your bike for YOU. I like the fact that in this case it's the same person. I ended up getting a complete bike and could literally pick each component if I wanted with no hassle. He didn't even give me a hard time when it took me forever to settle on a paintjob.
"I think the aftermarket value of a cervelo would be much better?" I read that and laughed because this is a thought that has never occured to me but I guess it's a perfectly logical question. When I buy a bike it's with the assumption that I'm going to ride it until its death. So I'm only looking for what's appealing to me not future owners.
Assuming you can get a bike that fits well from either company, I don't think you can lose on this one. So far I'm very happy with the route I've chosen. I'll know more in a couple weeks.
Thanks again Ves!