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Re: Abstinence Pledges: another Church sponsored farce that doesn't work [mopdahl] [ In reply to ]
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And no, I'm not going to tell them that threesomes are bad (seriously).


So threesomes are ok and you condone it?

Read on very carefully.... Son sentenced in family sex case

The judge called the 17-year-old both a sexual abuse victim and a predator.



By Lindsey Nair
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The Roanoke Times







A prosecutor, two defense attorneys and a Roanoke County Circuit Court judge all agreed on at least one point Wednesday: It was one of the most difficult cases any of them had ever had.

A 17-year-old boy called both a sexual abuse victim and a predator was sentenced to five years in prison, suspended after he completes two sexual predator treatment programs. If he complies with the sentence, he might serve no time in prison for his role in the twisted family sex case.

Judge Jim Swanson's comments on Wednesday indicated that he made an effort to both punish the boy and ensure that he receives several years of help.

"There's not a doubt in my mind that you, the perpetrator, came about as a result of you, the victim," he told the boy. "But you have to understand that that's only part of the picture."

The case came to light in July, when a Roanoke County woman told police she had been involved in sexual threesomes with her teenage stepson and her husband, from whom she'd since become estranged. The acts were sometimes videotaped, she said.

After executing a search warrant on the husband's home, police said, they found an estimated 173 recorded sexual acts involving the father and son in some cases; the father, son and stepmother in other cases.

They also found a taped sex act between the son and his then-15-year-old stepsister. It was that evidence that led to a charge of production of child pornography against the son, who had made the tape.

None of the family members involved in the case has been named by The Roanoke Times to protect the identity of the juveniles. The father pleaded guilty to 38 felonies in January, and the stepmother pleaded guilty to 12 felonies on Wednesday, one hour before her stepson was sentenced. Both adults are awaiting sentencing.

Throughout the case, one of the boy's attorneys contended that he should never have been charged with a crime in the first place. Defense attorney Tom Bowers said the father and stepmother are the ones to blame for the boy's learned behavior.

Now, the boy must register as a sex offender and therefore cannot live with his biological mother, who is raising two small children in Florida.

"I have disagreed with this case from the very beginning," Bowers said Wednesday. "I think that [the boy] has been a victim all along."

He added, "Ms. Kelley knows I think this is the wrong way to handle this case."

But Chief Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Marian Kelley fired back, saying that the boy clearly learned negative behavior and must receive intervention so he does not become a repeat offender and victimize other children.

"This man is a pro in his demeanor in the videotape," she said. He "is a seasoned sexual partner, and that's why we're here today, because he made the transformation from a victim to an offender, and over and over and over."

"The point that we want to make is we need something hanging over [his] head," she said. "He needs supervision for a long time."

When the boy took the stand himself, he said he is doing well in a treatment program in Georgia but agreed that he needs more treatment. Under the sentence, he will have to complete that program and then enter a second program in Portsmouth.

The Department of Social Services will probably be able to help with costs as long as the boy remains in foster care. As a provision of the sentence, Swanson also made sure the boy cannot opt out of foster care after he turns 18.

"I do agree with your attorneys in that I'm not prepared to give up on you. I'm not prepared to throw in the towel," Swanson told the boy. "The future could bode well for you, but it's going to be tough."
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Re: Abstinence Pledges: another Church sponsored farce that doesn't work [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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That is a truly disturbing story. The depths of depravity to which our species is capable of descending nevers ceases to amaze and disgust me.

I hate to say it ... but the kid should probably be locked away forever; to protect society from him. Child victims of sex abuse almost always became abusers themselves, particularly those who suffered the most henious sorts of abuse (of which this story certainly qualifies).

His parents turned him into a monster, and there's no going back. No amount of rehabilitation will 'fix' him; the best we could hope for is to protect society from his predatory instinct by locking him up.

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Re: Abstinence Pledges: another Church sponsored farce that doesn't work [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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"So threesomes are ok and you condone it?

Read on very carefully.... Son sentenced in family sex case"

Nasty story, but it doesn't mean threesomes are bad. It means threesomes with a mom, her husband, and her teenage stepson are bad.

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Re: Abstinence Pledges: another Church sponsored farce that doesn't work [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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It means threesomes with a mom, her husband, and her teenage stepson are bad.

Well, yeah.

On the other hand, I'm not sure that some people in here would be on real solid ground saying so. What makes it bad? They were all consenting, weren't they? (Don't throw "consenting adults back at me, either- the prevailing wisdom seems to think teenagers are perfectly capable of consenting to sex with each other. Why aren't they just as capable of consenting to sex with an adult?)








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Re: Abstinence Pledges: another Church sponsored farce that doesn't work [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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"What makes it bad? They were all consenting, weren't they? (Don't throw "consenting adults back at me, either- the prevailing wisdom seems to think teenagers are perfectly capable of consenting to sex with each other. Why aren't they just as capable of consenting to sex with an adult?)"

I'd say that, aside from the legal issues with minors engaging in sex with adults, you could safely say it's bad to have a threesome when it involves a son and his father.

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Re: Abstinence Pledges: another Church sponsored farce that doesn't work [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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aside from the legal issues with minors engaging in sex with adults,

Bah. Carry over from a sexually repressed age. Just like the laws against minors engaging in sex with each other.

you could safely say it's bad to have a threesome when it involves a son and his father.

I'd agree with you, myself, but I can do so and be consistent. I don't think some others can.











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Re: Abstinence Pledges: another Church sponsored farce that doesn't work [j-son] [ In reply to ]
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Here's another one. True story. Not a threesome but disturbing nonetheless.

My parents had a friend who was house/kid sitting for my parent neighbors across the street. The neighbors were a remarried couple. He had a son from a previous marriage, she had a daughter from a previous marriage. Kids were about 17 yrs old. Turns out this friend of my parents while house sitting finds out that the kids are hooking up/sleeping together and apparently the parents really didn't intervene.

Aren't blood relatives but warped in my opinion.

Anyone have issues with this?
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Re: Abstinence Pledges: another Church sponsored farce that doesn't work [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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On the other hand, I'm not sure that some people in here would be on real solid ground saying so. What makes it bad? They were all consenting, weren't they? (Don't throw "consenting adults back at me, either- the prevailing wisdom seems to think teenagers are perfectly capable of consenting to sex with each other. Why aren't they just as capable of consenting to sex with an adult?)
Because adults have power (either explicit or implicit) over teenagers. There is an element of coercion between adults and teenagers that is not present between teenagers (with exceptions, of course). That's why society frowns on sexual relations between two people that are in unequal positions of power (employer/employee, teacher/student (even in college, where they are both adults), adult/adolescent, etc.).

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