Im struggling to get the right size bike at canyon. In particular getting info of the frond end. The armpad with is not found on the site and also the handlebar raise. Will there be a difference in geometry if I select the 85 mm stemlengt over the 65 mm. Hope someone can help me selecting my speedmax CF SLX 7 with the mono riser cockpit.
I did a fit for a new tri bike and the numbers are.
Saddle height: 810
Saddle setback: 31
Drop settle to bars: 159
Reach saddle to bars : 872
Extension/grips: 50 degrees up
Extension length (mm): 305
Pad reach (mm): 471
Pad stack (mm): 636
Pad height (mm): 60
Pad offset (mm): 50
Pad Center to Center (mm): 220
Crank length (mm): 165
X : 521
With this data size L should fit me but the aero cockpit is a big question.
Do I need a 85 or 65 mm stem lengt?Aerocockpit lengt M or L?
Pad with possible of 220 mm center to center?
Can the handlebar raise up to 50 degrees so my wrist are in more neutral position.
Hope that someone can help me :)
I'm here for you baby! Thanks for getting a fit before you purchased (brilliant!) and for writing in with lots of good data. I'm gonna proceed here in terms of a disc
brake Canyon Speedmax SLX (if we're talkin' rim brake let me know as that's a whole different geometry and prescription).
You, like many, can fit on two sizes. In this case it's a Large and Medium but the Large puts you in a corner* and the Medium is far better. On that Medium you will need the longer stem**, medium extension, and mid spacer. It will place you in a nice spot where you have room to tweak and adjust fore/aft/up/down to find perfection.
*If you got the Large you'd use the short stem**, medium extension, and you'd be absolutely slammed; the lowest the pads go on a Large is just 1mm lower than your Pad Y of 636. If you're positive that you are riding at the lowest you'll ever be than okay, the Large will work.
**We keep staying "stem" but just so we're clear it's not a stem. It's a cockpit of molded one piece carbon that is the "stem" plus the base bar. If you're buying in the US you get what comes stock (short cockpit) and then you have to a) purchase the longer cockpit and then b) have that installed (keeping in mind that brake lines and whatnot run through the cockpit and into the frame).
"can the handle bar raise up 50 degrees so my wrists are in a more neutral position" - If you mean can the base bar rotate up so that the bull horns/grip at the brake levers can be tilted up the answer is no, that cockpit is fixed. If you mean can the aerobars be tilted the answer is yes but 50 degrees is an unrealistic number - that's beyond preying mantis and almost no one rides at that tilt. The disc brake SLX can be tilted up 3 degree or 6 degrees - and while I've doubled up on those wedges and built a 9 degree tilt that is verboten by Canyon's recommendations and is said to be unsafe. You might also be speaking about the aerobar extension grip itself and for that I can say there's a VERY cool feature where you can adjust the aerobar grips to be pretty much any angle you want (up to something nutty, near vertical, like 80 degrees).
Now for the last note regarding pad width of 220 center to center. The widest the pads will go on the new, disc brake Speedmax SLX is 175mm. Now, I haven't yet done this but I know it's coming soon to my fit studio; I'm gonna have someone, probably a guy with broad shoulders, a swim background, etc who has to go wider. I'm going to take his bike to my local machine shop and ask them to make me a plate that I can bolt on to the bracket and then put the arm pad on top of that out to a width that satisfies. It'll cost probably $30 and I'm gonna have them make five sets for me.
Get back to me here if you have more questions.
Could you explain why you would suggest the 636 in armpad stack is maxing out on the large when the armpad stack for a large size on the website says bottom out in pad stack is 619. In my mind that would mean still some room of 17 mm to go lower?
The pad reach is measured at 471 mm, website canyon reads 463 on a medium so 8 mm too less reach.Even adding the longer stem it would still set him pretty far forward on mounting the pads on the pad holder and making it pretty twitchy handling?
My graph is labeled in increments of 20 and it looked to me like the low piont on the XLS was 627ish (too close to your 636) but after some digging I see you're correct the bottom is 619. Thanks for opening my eyes to this. Regarding the medium and Pad X - yes the medium with a short stem gets the pads out to a maximum of 463... or...8mm short of prescribed 471. If/when you switch to the long cockpit that provides another 20mm; Pad X from 463 to 483 so 471 is located in the back half of that extension (8mm back to 463 but 12mm forward to 483). Also, the concept of "twitchy" comes more from a steering extension (stem/bar) being too short. Think of riding a 58cm road bike with a 60mm stem and 70mm reach bar - that's twitchy. Rather than what we might prefer on a bigger road bike something like a 120mm stem and an 80mm reach bar. When you stretch out the steering the thinking is that the bike gets "sluggish" in its steering which we might discourage in a crit bike but want in a triathlon situation where the courses are relatively long and straight. Also, the fork rake, trail and front center of a bike speaks more to that type of handling that stem/bar/pad placement.
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