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Re: The pardons that shouldn't [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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I'm surprised at the number of service members, even former SEALs, who support this guy.

I'm not saying that they belong to a cult, but perhaps they have misplaced their loyalty and compromised their integrity to their oaths of enlistment/office.

Suffer Well.
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Re: The pardons that shouldn't [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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jmh wrote:
I'm surprised at the number of service members, even former SEALs, who support this guy.

I'm not saying that they belong to a cult, but perhaps they have misplaced their loyalty and compromised their integrity to their oaths of enlistment/office.

You think he is the only service member who believes they have moral superiority over others, especially over those who don't bend the knee in countries we are supposedly protecting?
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Re: The pardons that shouldn't [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder how long it will be before he has an unfortunate accident. There are probably more than a few men who have put their lives on the line for their country and their comrades who take offense to what this guy has done.

I'm sure they do take offense, but they're (mostly) disciplined professionals and won't stoop to his level.

But essentially doxxing fellow SEALs has to put him on the wrong side of just about his entire community. You just don't do that.

This guy is just nuts. He won. But he can't just walk away gracefully.
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Re: The pardons that shouldn't [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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jmh wrote:
I'm surprised at the number of service members, even former SEALs, who support this guy.

I'm not saying that they belong to a cult, but perhaps they have misplaced their loyalty and compromised their integrity to their oaths of enlistment/office.

I always immediately think of this topic whenever Steve H comes out and chides KS or BLeP in some other thread in defense of the Draft-Dodger-in-Chief, yet he's conspicuously absent here... How does a career officer square the commitment to good order & discipline with undermining the military's own internal justice system and command structure like this?
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Re: The pardons that shouldn't [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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rick_pcfl wrote:
I wonder how long it will be before he has an unfortunate accident. There are probably more than a few men who have put their lives on the line for their country and their comrades who take offense to what this guy has done.

I was wondering how long before trump names him Chairman of the Joint Chiefs or SECDEF.
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Re: The pardons that shouldn't [OneGoodLeg] [ In reply to ]
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I always immediately think of this topic whenever Steve H comes out and chides KS or BLeP in some other thread in defense of the Draft-Dodger-in-Chief, yet he's conspicuously absent here... How does a career officer square the commitment to good order & discipline with undermining the military's own internal justice system and command structure like this?

Not just officer, but any good military person. Hawley outlined his philosophy on these things the other day. I think the idea is that Trump gets the "big picture" things mostly right, and there was no better alternative given at the time.

Which I get. I get that.

What I don't get is the lack of criticism. It's OK to say he gets the big picture right, and then criticize the things that are clearly wrong. Like this. That's not "losing a round to Kay." Or "admitting you should have voted for Hillary." It's just staying consistent to your own value system.
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Re: The pardons that shouldn't [gofigure] [ In reply to ]
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Why did I know this thread was not dead?

This story just keeps on giving.

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THE COMMANDER OF the Navy SEALs who found himself at odds with President Donald Trump over disciplining a notorious member of his force has informed the Navy that he will step down a year early, according to three people familiar with the decision.
Rear Adm. Collin Green, commander of the Naval Special Warfare Command, will leave his post in September, two of the people familiar with his decision said.
Green was widely viewed as a reformer who was willing to hold his command accountable. His departure follows two years during which he sought to repair the vaunted military unit’s image after a slew of criminal charges against SEALs, including war crimes, murder, drug use, and sexual assault. Green had publicly told his force that the SEALs had a “problem” and that some members of the unit were “ethically misaligned.”

https://theintercept.com/...een-eddie-gallagher/

Suffer Well.
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Re: The pardons that shouldn't [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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jmh wrote:
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Why did I know this thread was not dead?

This story just keeps on giving.

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THE COMMANDER OF the Navy SEALs who found himself at odds with President Donald Trump over disciplining a notorious member of his force has informed the Navy that he will step down a year early, according to three people familiar with the decision.
Rear Adm. Collin Green, commander of the Naval Special Warfare Command, will leave his post in September, two of the people familiar with his decision said.
Green was widely viewed as a reformer who was willing to hold his command accountable. His departure follows two years during which he sought to repair the vaunted military unit’s image after a slew of criminal charges against SEALs, including war crimes, murder, drug use, and sexual assault. Green had publicly told his force that the SEALs had a “problem” and that some members of the unit were “ethically misaligned.”

https://theintercept.com/...een-eddie-gallagher/

He supposedly was the new sheriff in town to clean up the mess left on aisle 9 and 18 years of perpetual combat. He is now leaving early. Kind of hard to make the case that he was successful in his efforts as he opts out now.
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Re: The pardons that shouldn't [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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RADM Green is out.

Richard Spencer, lifelong Republican, endorses Bloomberg.

Loosely related, but Lt. Col Vindman escorted out of the WH today.

Throw in Mattis, McMaster, and Kelly, and there seems to be a fundamental difference in culture between the White House and current and former U.S. military. Only service members who don't have to deal with Trump directly seem to admire/tolerate him. Like some on this forum.
Last edited by: trail: Feb 7, 20 18:40
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Re: The pardons that shouldn't [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
RADM Green is out.

Richard Spencer, lifelong Republican, endorses Bloomberg.

Loosely related, but Lt. Col Vindman escorted out of the WH today.

Throw in Mattis, McMaster, and Kelly, and there seems to be a fundamental difference in culture between the White House and current and former U.S. military. Only service members who don't have to deal with Trump directly seem to admire/tolerate him. Like some on this forum.

I almost weighed in on that loosely related matter. I'll lump it into the Trump's winners and losers-- Trump's loyal patriots and Trump's traitors. I will reward you, if you kneel before me. Long live the king. I do not see senior leadership offering up "Cheery aye, aye, sirs!" to any and all orders moving forward.
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