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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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1) Did Mueller, given his mandate and broad scope, miss a bunch of stuff that dem congress critters are going to be able to discover?


I suppose you can characterize "cover up" many different ways. He's paid off porn star lovers and lied about it, only to be exposed. He's hiding his tax returns when he, more than any POTUS in our history, has all sorts of complicated financial interests and Emolluments issues that pretty much demand examination and oversight. He's prohibiting McGann--the guy who saved his ass by refusing his order to obstruct justice more than occasion--from testifying to Congress. He ran a fraudulent "university" and settled out of court so the details would remain private.

So, yeah, he tends to cover shit up. A lot of shit


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2) Another question is are you all happy with Barr being held in contempt for not supplying the unredacted report, when dems know that Barr cannot legally provide the unredacted version to them?


I don't know the details of this particular instance, but I'd be happy to see Barr face the consequences for perjuring himself before Congress. So I'm not crying tears for our AG, who behaves like Don's private defense attorney.



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3) more general question; why has Mueller not testified, why have impeachment proceedings not started? Anyone, Anyone, ...


Mueller will be testifying soon, privately, if the reporting is correct.

Why privately? All that does is allow more "unnamed sources" to say what he testified about.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [DJRed] [ In reply to ]
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I have no idea. Possibly his request?

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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He doesn’t want to be part of a spectacle are words I heard somewhere. The man is a conservative in every sense of the word.

I think nadler said the transcripts would have to be released....so no cameras but members get to ask questions without the media circus....let’s hope mueller speaks his true mind, not a bridled response.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [dave_w] [ In reply to ]
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Deranged Donnie is coverup king. He's likely to be found out similar to vice chancellor in Austria.

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I think dems are just fishing for stuff to make Trump look bad, and maybe incrementally peel off a few more supporters at a time, but am more interested in what all you guys are thinking when you say COVER UP!!! Just grabbing onto the Pelosi/dem talking point?

1) Did Mueller, given his mandate and broad scope, miss a bunch of stuff that dem congress critters are going to be able to discover?
2) Another question is are you all happy with Barr being held in contempt for not supplying the unredacted report, when dems know that Barr cannot legally provide the unredacted version to them?
3) more general question; why has Mueller not testified, why have impeachment proceedings not started? Anyone, Anyone, ...


3. Seriously? This is all politics. The Dems are weighing how an impeachment process will affect their 2020 election prospects. Mueller isn't being forced to testify yet for the same reason.

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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]
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Pelosi must have something on Trump. She essentially called him out for being a pussy and his comeback is "I don't do coverups." AFAIK he doesn't have a nickname for her either. Strange times...


He calls her "Nancy."


It" "Crazy Nancy" now.

Its actually getting very nasty, with tweets of edited videos and shit like that. Kindergarten level.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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The man is a conservative in every sense of the word.

Or as the Boy King would describe him, an "angry Democrat"

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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.let’s hope mueller speaks his true mind, not a bridled response.

And say what? "Yeah, where my report says that we didn't find (sufficient) evidence of collusion (coordination/conspiracy), what I really meant that there was tons of collusion?

What part(s) of the report are unclear?

Remember, some dems have access to a virtually unredacted version, where only 1 full sentence and 4 partial sentences are redacted. But none of the dems with access have bothered to take advantage of that opportunity.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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"What part(s) of the report are unclear?"

Seeing how mueller himself told Barr that his summary was a misrepresentation of the report, it appears that a lot of it was unclear.

If you dont see the value in having the person who actually wrote the report, talk about the report, and answer questions about the report, than i dont know what to tell ya.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [patentattorney] [ In reply to ]
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"What part(s) of the report are unclear?"

Seeing how mueller himself told Barr that his summary was a misrepresentation of the report, it appears that a lot of it was unclear.

If you dont see the value in having the person who actually wrote the report, talk about the report, and answer questions about the report, than i dont know what to tell ya.

Also be able to ask Mueller what paths he investigated and if he did not, why. That will allow the house to pursue paths that Mueller was not able to. Republicans should want that, since it would prevent the house from investigating things that have already been investigated.

Never mind, Republicans actually do like to like to waste tax payer money investigating things that have already been investigated.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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At the end of the day, if someone doesnt understand the value in asking questions to the person who produced a work item, they have bigger problems.

Sure you could argue that the value of asking those questions isnt worth the time/money/etc. that is one thing.

But there are reasons why there are "commentary" videos at the end of a season of a show/movie. There is value in having extra insights.

It would be like saying there is no value in the federalist papers to the constitution.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [orphious] [ In reply to ]
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orphious wrote:
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orphious wrote:
DJRed wrote:
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Very well educated, smart, successful. But he has complete blinkers on wrt Trump. Does not accept that Trump is to blame for anything happening to him. Thinks the media is evil and Trump is completely innocent.

So is the guy you "play tennis with" Orphious, Efernand, Duffy, jmh or DJRed?

Other than the "smart" part, your description could fit any of them... :)


Not sure what I'm more offended by...that you put me in company with Orphious, Efernand, Duffy, and jmh? Or that you think I'm a big enough loser that I would play tennis.


The sad part is, most of these chumps on here think they are better than everyone else. It's the smug attitudes and the holier than thou bullshit that drives me far away from the Democratic party. I hope Trump gets elected again just so I can watch their puny heads explode.

That's fuckin' comical irony right there... You mean compared to the self-proclaimed "family values" party? ~ The one that carries the righteous approval of the evangelicals in supporting the guy who had kids w/ 3 different wives, and then moved on to banging a porn star while wife #3 was still home w/ baby #5? Seriously?

See there you go. Your such a fucking dipshit that you don't think people can separate themselves from bullshit statements. You take one small part of some stupid mantra and prescribe to all Republicans.

Prescribe?
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [AlanShearer] [ In reply to ]
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Prescribe?

See!!!

Holier-than-thou bullshit!
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [b4itwascold] [ In reply to ]
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TheRef65 wrote:
axlsix3 wrote:
Pelosi must have something on Trump. She essentially called him out for being a pussy and his comeback is "I don't do coverups." AFAIK he doesn't have a nickname for her either. Strange times...


He calls her "Nancy."


It" "Crazy Nancy" now.

Its actually getting very nasty, with tweets of edited videos and shit like that. Kindergarten level.

The interactions between POTUS and the Speaker of the House are a new low for this country.

But the Speaker seems to be winning with her party (she has consolidated them behind her slow roll investigation plan) and she has been able to get under Trump's skin in a way that no one else has.

However, the people of this country are the real losers in this game.

Suffer Well.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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b4itwascold wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
axlsix3 wrote:
Pelosi must have something on Trump. She essentially called him out for being a pussy and his comeback is "I don't do coverups." AFAIK he doesn't have a nickname for her either. Strange times...


He calls her "Nancy."


It" "Crazy Nancy" now.

Its actually getting very nasty, with tweets of edited videos and shit like that. Kindergarten level.


The interactions between POTUS and the Speaker of the House are a new low for this country.

But the Speaker seems to be winning with her party (she has consolidated them behind her slow roll investigation plan) and she has been able to get under Trump's skin in a way that no one else has.

However, the people of this country are the real losers in this game.

This is the part of the thread where I say I agree, and then 10 people pile on us and tell us it's only Trump who is to blame. Also, we're ballwashers.

Just thought I'd save you all that typing.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [patentattorney] [ In reply to ]
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Seeing how mueller himself told Barr that his summary was a misrepresentation of the report, it appears that a lot of it was unclear.
If you dont see the value in having the person who actually wrote the report, talk about the report, and answer questions about the report, than i dont know what to tell ya.

Who's talking about Barr's summary?

What questions do you think need to be answered about the report?

"Mr. Mueller, your report says that you didn't find evidence of collusion (conspiracy/coordination), but are you sure? We really think there was. Are you sure you don't want to just say that Trump and his campaigned colluded with Russia?"

If the dems that have access to the (virtually) unredacted report, can't be bothered to actually read it, then it seems that the actual report, and what it says, and what Mueller might have to say about doesn't really matter.

The report is pretty clear, if your cognitive blindness isn't allowing you to see it, than I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [DJRed] [ In reply to ]
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DJRed wrote:
jmh wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
axlsix3 wrote:
Pelosi must have something on Trump. She essentially called him out for being a pussy and his comeback is "I don't do coverups." AFAIK he doesn't have a nickname for her either. Strange times...


He calls her "Nancy."


It" "Crazy Nancy" now.

Its actually getting very nasty, with tweets of edited videos and shit like that. Kindergarten level.


The interactions between POTUS and the Speaker of the House are a new low for this country.

But the Speaker seems to be winning with her party (she has consolidated them behind her slow roll investigation plan) and she has been able to get under Trump's skin in a way that no one else has.

However, the people of this country are the real losers in this game.


This is the part of the thread where I say I agree, and then 10 people pile on us and tell us it's only Trump who is to blame. Also, we're ballwashers.

Just thought I'd save you all that typing.

Unfortunately, I'd have to agree with them that you are a ball washer.

Trump continues to lower the bar for political discourse. For that he is to blame. The Speaker has chosen to stoop to his level. And while it seems to be working for her and her plan for dealing with Trump, it is not becoming of her office. For that she is to blame.

I think that Trump has significantly, and perhaps lastingly, damaged the office, the Republican party, and the country.

The future holders of the office can chose to act in a more dignified manner and restore some of the confidence that we as citizens and others outside of this country have in us and that office. I hope they do.

The Republican party- my party for 28 of the last 30 years- is no longer recognizable to me and seems to have compromised it prior held values and beliefs to do what they perceive to be politically expedient. The showed themselves to be politically impotent when wasted the first two years with majorities in the house and senate and failed pass any significant legislation. They vacated in moral high ground on values to excuse an amoral liar, cheater, adulterer, and one who supports/endorses white supremacists. Half (actually less than half) of this great country seems okay with this- and knowingly or willfully ignorantly- supported him in the primaries and general election. We had better choices in the primary, yet some how this buffoon won. And that speaks more to the the electorate than it does Trump. And that is a sad commentary of the Republican party and our country.

The left has gone bat shit crazy in the last couple of years, and frankly, it is understandable to me given how bat shit crazy antics of the President.

So here we are. I hope there emerges a candidate- and frankly I don't care if they have a R or D next to their name- that is a moderate that can unify this country and reestablish some basic decency and competency in how those in Washington govern, interact, lead, communicate and legislate.

Suffer Well.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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+1
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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Well said.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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If a few million Americans think like you then there is still hope for future.

Remember - It's important to be comfortable in your own skin... because it turns out society frowns on wearing other people's
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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Standing O!
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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Well said!
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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Standing O!


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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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I've read analysis that showed it was definitely dems that put Trump on top in the primaries, and as this quote from exit polling shows it was dems again who made the difference for Trump. Things are more gray than we like to think.

"There were stories before the election of Republicans planning to vote for Mrs Clinton because they did not like their own candidate, but the exit poll actually suggested that 7% of people who identified themselves as Republicans had voted for Mrs Clinton, while 9% of those who identified as Democrats had voted for Mr Trump."

https://www.bbc.com/...ion-us-2016-37922587
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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You had previously asked what was confusing about the Mueller report.

Barr was obviously was confused by the report. If barr was not able to accurately create a summary of the report, and one that Mueller said was mis-characterizing the report, then it shows that at least the AG was confused by the report.

If the AG himself doesnt understand the report, it is likely others dont either. The alternative to that is Barr purposely giving a mislead summary.

1000 prosecutors said there was enough evidence to bring charges against trump, Barr didnt see it that way. It would be interesting to see what Mueller thought on the subject.
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Re: "I don’t do coverups" [dave_w] [ In reply to ]
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I've read analysis that showed it was definitely dems that put Trump on top in the primaries, and as this quote from exit polling shows it was dems again who made the difference for Trump. Things are more gray than we like to think.

"There were stories before the election of Republicans planning to vote for Mrs Clinton because they did not like their own candidate, but the exit poll actually suggested that 7% of people who identified themselves as Republicans had voted for Mrs Clinton, while 9% of those who identified as Democrats had voted for Mr Trump."

https://www.bbc.com/...ion-us-2016-37922587

What you quoted seems to be about the general election not the primary.
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