Slowman wrote:
while this is a complex, layered issue, the solution is not that complex (or doesn't have to be). i empathize with the pro life position. and i would be pro life. 100 percent. if i ascribed to the religion that sits behind the pro life movement. "i knew you when you were in the womb." but life that begins at conception is a
religious argument, and everyone - including those on this board - who's argue that it isn't have been, coincidentally, christians.
still, it's reasonable to assume that at some point rights flow to the unborn, and that a pregnant woman must exercise her choice to terminate prior to that point. so, abortions are legal up until X months into pregnancy.
it's also reasonable that the state exercise its responsibility. any person, or any entity, including a governmental entity, that through direct action or legislative action makes terminating that pregnancy harder than it should be takes on itself the financial obligation of raising that child. that's only fair (texas). so, if you're the state of texas, or alabama, get ready to open your pocketbook. then we'll see how long those legislative hijinks continue.
done. topic: hard. solution: not that hard.
Agree^^
The abortion discussion is not about "telling women what to do with their bodies" or "getting involved in other people's vaginas". Those "arguments" are BS rhetoric that only serve to prove that the person who says them is not capable of rational discussion.
The abortion discussion is and should only be about at what point does the unborn child have the right to life. As Slowman says, some would say at inception, others say not till out of the womb. I would argue those are the fringe, most of us are somewhere in between. My college GF took the morning after pill after a night we made a risky decision. I don't see that as an abortion any more than the fact that my wife has an IUD in that makes it impossible for that fertilized egg to attach.
The timing discussion also handles the rape issue. If the designate time for rights to apply is 12 weeks then any rape situation can be handled long before then. Hell most are likely handled in the first day or week.
It really isn't that hard, the fringe characters of "at inception" and "out of the womb" are the people who make the noise and try to make it more difficult than it is.