2. Trump talked about grabbing pussy in the hypothetical, and frankly I think he was lying/exaggerating to make himself look better to the person he was talking to.
It’s weird to me that everyone keeps saying he grabbed pussy as if it were proven true.
Trump lies about everything, except grabbing pussy? Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
2. There are so many women suddenly coming out against Joe Biden, you'd think Donald Trump had just nominated him to the Supreme Court. Heh-heh.
Pretty much.
They need to make it a thing that this can't happen unless the person concurrently presses criminal charges. As, it's always the politically convenient moment to reveal things and not any other time.
Kinda like all sorts of BS comes out of the wood works once a person wins the lotto. Lawsuits, exes, loans, deals made decades past, fake promises, faked paternity tests.
Are you saying you believe that any and all cases of workplace sexual harassment automatically rise to the level of criminal sexual assault?
Not for nothing, but I think the women who have complained in these situations have claimed that VP Biden's touching was unwanted, but not sexual. I don't think this is sexual assault, or even assault. It's juts someone not observing the personal space some people want. Strange that something like that would be discussed as potentially disqualifying (as it is on various news programs).
Certainly not sexual assault, but it would be classified as sexual under workplace harassment laws.
Maybe, maybe not. Workplace regulations and laws are sometimes kind of ridiculous. Sexual harassment and assault are usually defined (where I've seen it) as unwanted conduct or contact, sexual in nature. At least the first woman in these set of "accusations" has said it wasn't sexual in nature. If a guy complains that his Boss stands too close or puts his arm around him in a way that makes the guy feel uncomfortable, I doubt workplace law defines that as sexual. Slowguy
Yup. No need to resort to the bullshit touchy feely stuff with this guy, who has a long track record owing to his years in D.C. How about this?
"Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.
In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin."
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"But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.
U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.
The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.
Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”"
Some pigs are more equal than others, I guess. And Hunter Biden seems to be a pig of the first rank, if some reports are true. But that's okay. He's got a powerful daddy looking out for him, right?
- Wondered if anyone caught this. Biden has "cashed in" since he was VP, according to the detractors, and the fact that the kid did so well while Biden was in power positions will further harm the "regular Joe" moniker that is his major selling point.
Not familiar with this. Are Biden & son alleged to have breached laws or just acted improperly/unethically?
Here, become familiar......plenty of other sources as well. If Joe decides to run......this is just the start of uncovering "good ole Joe" s shady deals. Breach of laws......to be determined. What would be the reaction today if Don Jr was riding around on Air Force One making deals with foreign governments during his father's travels......take a guess. https://nypost.com/...rry-and-bidens-kids/
I certainly wouldn't condone any wrongdoing, illegal or not, by uncle Joe.
Would you do the same for Trump and his family? What if Don Jr were to, say, meet secretly with Russians to try to get some dirt on a political opposition, and then lie about the purpose of that meeting? What if Trump and his family breached Emoluments rules? Would you speak out, or give him a pass?
Bragging about sexual assault < actual sexual assault, so its better than something that is worse, so it is better than something.
Trump is the only President I've ever seen where the bar is set relative to his own worst potential.
Meanwhile, Obama got crucified for taking pictures with a selfie stick. -----------------------------Baron Von Speedypants -----------------------------RunTraining articles here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...runtraining;#1612485
Bragging about sexual assault < actual sexual assault, so its better than something that is worse, so it is better than something.
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Meanwhile, Obama got crucified for taking pictures with a selfie stick.
I don’t remember this. The first I heard of it was 2 days ago. Must be the talking point going around. I’ll take your word for it. I think it’s stupid.
Feet on desk outrage - stupid.
Lapel pin outrage - stupid.
Brown suit outrage - stupid.
Grab ‘em by the pussy outrage - stupid.
AOC dancing outrage - stupid.
Beto talking about how his wife does the most child care outrage - stupid. Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
Bragging about sexual assault < actual sexual assault, so its better than something that is worse, so it is better than something.
True.
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Meanwhile, Obama got crucified for taking pictures with a selfie stick.
I don’t remember this. The first I heard of it was 2 days ago. Must be the talking point going around. I’ll take your word for it. I think it’s stupid.
Feet on desk outrage - stupid.
Lapel pin outrage - stupid.
Brown suit outrage - stupid.
Grab ‘em by the pussy outrage - stupid.
AOC dancing outrage - stupid.
Beto talking about how his wife does the most child care outrage - stupid.
Not being able to criticize anyone on the left because of anything Trump does is worse - stupid
2. There are so many women suddenly coming out against Joe Biden, you'd think Donald Trump had just nominated him to the Supreme Court. Heh-heh.
Pretty much.
They need to make it a thing that this can't happen unless the person concurrently presses criminal charges. As, it's always the politically convenient moment to reveal things and not any other time.
Kinda like all sorts of BS comes out of the wood works once a person wins the lotto. Lawsuits, exes, loans, deals made decades past, fake promises, faked paternity tests.
Are you saying you believe that any and all cases of workplace sexual harassment automatically rise to the level of criminal sexual assault?
Not for nothing, but I think the women who have complained in these situations have claimed that VP Biden's touching was unwanted, but not sexual. I don't think this is sexual assault, or even assault. It's juts someone not observing the personal space some people want. Strange that something like that would be discussed as potentially disqualifying (as it is on various news programs).
Certainly not sexual assault, but it would be classified as sexual under workplace harassment laws.
Maybe, maybe not. Workplace regulations and laws are sometimes kind of ridiculous. Sexual harassment and assault are usually defined (where I've seen it) as unwanted conduct or contact, sexual in nature. At least the first woman in these set of "accusations" has said it wasn't sexual in nature. If a guy complains that his Boss stands too close or puts his arm around him in a way that makes the guy feel uncomfortable, I doubt workplace law defines that as sexual.
Yes, correct - sexual harassment is not about sex. It's about unwanted sexual advances, conduct or behavior. Biden holding her shoulders, leaning in and smelling her hair and then kissing her on the head comes under the umbrella of sexual harassment, whether he had no ill-intentions or not.
Bragging about sexual assault < actual sexual assault, so its better than something that is worse, so it is better than something.
True.
Quote:
Meanwhile, Obama got crucified for taking pictures with a selfie stick.
I don’t remember this. The first I heard of it was 2 days ago. Must be the talking point going around. I’ll take your word for it. I think it’s stupid.
Feet on desk outrage - stupid.
Lapel pin outrage - stupid.
Brown suit outrage - stupid.
Grab ‘em by the pussy outrage - stupid.
AOC dancing outrage - stupid.
Beto talking about how his wife does the most child care outrage - stupid.
Not being able to criticize anyone on the left because of anything Trump does is worse - stupid
Not being able to criticize anything Trump does because snowflakes on the right are tired of it because there is so damn much to criticize - stupid. =============== Proud member of the MSF (Maple Syrup Mafia)
Bragging about sexual assault < actual sexual assault, so its better than something that is worse, so it is better than something.
True.
Quote:
Meanwhile, Obama got crucified for taking pictures with a selfie stick.
I don’t remember this. The first I heard of it was 2 days ago. Must be the talking point going around. I’ll take your word for it. I think it’s stupid.
Feet on desk outrage - stupid.
Lapel pin outrage - stupid.
Brown suit outrage - stupid.
Grab ‘em by the pussy outrage - stupid.
AOC dancing outrage - stupid.
Beto talking about how his wife does the most child care outrage - stupid.
Not being able to criticize anyone on the left because of anything Trump does is worse - stupid
Not being able to criticize anything Trump does because snowflakes on the right are tired of it because there is so damn much to criticize - stupid.
Lefties outrage over anything and everything Trump.. - stupid
"Not being able to criticize anyone on the left because of anything Trump does is worse - stupid "
That one actually makes sense. If you support a guy who does something worse, how can you legitimately criticize someone for doing something not nearly as bad?
"Not being able to criticize anyone on the left because of anything Trump does is worse - stupid "
That one actually makes sense. If you support a guy who does something worse, how can you legitimately criticize someone for doing something not nearly as bad?
I swear my brother and Trump are the same person deep down. The reason I have heard is 'you knew I was an asshole." And that is precisely the excuse Trumpkins use. I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
If I leave rings on the counter top, I get yelled at. If she leaves rings on the counter top, and I point it out, I get yelled at for all the times I left rings on the counter top. -----------------------------Baron Von Speedypants -----------------------------RunTraining articles here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...runtraining;#1612485
2 wrongs dont make a right but 3 rights make a left.
edited to add: I have not criticized Biden for his creepiness. it doesnt bother me and would not change my vote if i were to vote for him. Just like I did not criticize Trump nor would it change my vote for him if I were to vote for him.
2 wrongs dont make a right but 3 rights make a left.
edited to add: I have not criticized Biden for his creepiness. it doesnt bother me and would not change my vote if i were to vote for him. Just like I did not criticize Trump nor would it change my vote for him if I were to vote for him.
In a surprising twist to me, there seems to be a lot of people that have been relatively consistent on this topic for both Trump and Biden and others. They can be like you, who says, "eh, whatever" to most/all of these situation. Or like me, who says, "that is pretty unacceptable and pretty much disqualifying."
Character still matters to me. I had always liked Gavin Newsome. But the more I read about his relationship with a 19 year old girl when he was 20+ years older, I just can't do it. Creepy Joe has been giving us Joes a bad name for a while. That shit ain't right.
But there is some stuff, Al Franken for instance, that I think has truly gone too far in demanding purity. I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
Bragging about sexual assault < actual sexual assault, so its better than something that is worse, so it is better than something.
True.
Quote:
Meanwhile, Obama got crucified for taking pictures with a selfie stick.
I don’t remember this. The first I heard of it was 2 days ago. Must be the talking point going around. I’ll take your word for it. I think it’s stupid.
Feet on desk outrage - stupid.
Lapel pin outrage - stupid.
Brown suit outrage - stupid.
Grab ‘em by the pussy outrage - stupid.
AOC dancing outrage - stupid.
Beto talking about how his wife does the most child care outrage - stupid.
Not being able to criticize anyone on the left because of anything Trump does is worse - stupid
Not being able to criticize anything Trump does because snowflakes on the right are tired of it because there is so damn much to criticize - stupid.
Ha! You're not wrong. It certainly is a circus the likes of which we have never seen. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
2. There are so many women suddenly coming out against Joe Biden, you'd think Donald Trump had just nominated him to the Supreme Court. Heh-heh.
Pretty much.
They need to make it a thing that this can't happen unless the person concurrently presses criminal charges. As, it's always the politically convenient moment to reveal things and not any other time.
Kinda like all sorts of BS comes out of the wood works once a person wins the lotto. Lawsuits, exes, loans, deals made decades past, fake promises, faked paternity tests.
Are you saying you believe that any and all cases of workplace sexual harassment automatically rise to the level of criminal sexual assault?
Not for nothing, but I think the women who have complained in these situations have claimed that VP Biden's touching was unwanted, but not sexual. I don't think this is sexual assault, or even assault. It's juts someone not observing the personal space some people want. Strange that something like that would be discussed as potentially disqualifying (as it is on various news programs).
Certainly not sexual assault, but it would be classified as sexual under workplace harassment laws.
Maybe, maybe not. Workplace regulations and laws are sometimes kind of ridiculous. Sexual harassment and assault are usually defined (where I've seen it) as unwanted conduct or contact, sexual in nature. At least the first woman in these set of "accusations" has said it wasn't sexual in nature. If a guy complains that his Boss stands too close or puts his arm around him in a way that makes the guy feel uncomfortable, I doubt workplace law defines that as sexual.
Yes, correct - sexual harassment is not about sex. It's about unwanted sexual advances, conduct or behavior. Biden holding her shoulders, leaning in and smelling her hair and then kissing her on the head comes under the umbrella of sexual harassment, whether he had no ill-intentions or not.
That's not what slowguy is saying. You are correct - the intent of the harasser is irrelevant in determining whether something is or is not sexual harassment. But, slowguy is focusing on the manner in which the conduct was perceived by the alleged victim.
Remember - there are two elements: (1) a subjective standard and (2) an objective standard. We need to ask: (1) did the victim subjectively feel the conduct was sexual in nature and unwanted; and (2) would a reasonable person objectively feel the same way.
If the alleged victim flat out states he/she did not feel the conduct was sexual in nature, then it is very difficult to legally rise to the level of actionable sexual harassment.
Now, that said, sexual harassment is almost never about sex. It is about power. Assume a boss goes around the office and pats all the women on the head. He never does that to the men, only the women. It would be hard to say that is sexual in nature, but, if the conduct was unwelcome to the women, it 100% is sexual harassment because the conduct is unwelcome and based on sex (i.e., gender).
There is a case that further illustrates this point. CEO of a company. There is a secretary pool with 20 secretaries. CEO starts sleeping with one of them. She is immediately promoted to head secretary. The affair is well known, but, they engage in no affectionate conduct in the office. CEO does nothing inappropriate with the other secretaries. But, his new head secretary gets a big raise, extended lunch periods, and other perks. The other secretaries file a hostile workplace complaint against the CEO, even though they cannot identify a single inappropriate action by the CEO towards them and cannot point to any conduct between CEO and head secretary that takes place in the workplace. Actionable?
The court said yes. He created an environment in which is appears you need to sleep with the boss to get ahead and get special favors. So, there need not always be direct sexual contact between the victim and the accused. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
You have to laugh at the shit show we have in government right now because, if you don't, and instead focus on what a shit show it is, you will just cry. If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
