BryanD wrote:
Bryancd wrote:
I was just thinking of that. The BTA is a must, especially one you can swap out or refill. I suppose the question is if you set the bike up with sufficient hydration and food how does it effect the aerodynamics? That's a question I also have for some of these really wild designs like the Ceepo Phantom,
the frame might be super fast but once you strap bottles and bags all over it then what? Bikes are coming out that are fully integrated and allow you to carry everything you need for an Ironman, and it's not good enough. With the new Shiv, everything is hidden in the frame. What more can you ask for?
Bicycle only drag charts are meaningless because they aren't testing with storage and bottles. Pure frame drag doesn't mean anything once bottles get put on, bentos are attached, and flat kits are placed somewhere.
But you know....people argue all day long about the aerodynamics of a 23 mm or 24mm tire but won't even give a bike the time of day that has everything thought of.
It's hilarious to watch.
What more can we ask for ?
It is nice and elegant to get everything inside the frame.
But the aero result is .... zero
zero gain for.... 14k USD
zero gain comparatively to old Shiv, a not so aero bike...
Take a more basic bike (P2 or P3, mid range IA, ...), with similar wheels, hide one bottle between the arms, one bottle behind the saddle, repair kit in an Aeropouch, bars in a bento behind stem.... and you have the same aero effectiveness, very practical, very adjustable, and UCI legal in some cases, to go on TT. For less than half the price.
Is it hilarious (as you say) to think some people will spend that much money for ... what ?
Personally, I ask for a really efficient and versatile bike for a good price.
What most says here, and I agree, is that this bike doesn't convince us.