Only skim read the thread, so please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm struggling to see how his pacing races don't classify as cheating. He was registered for a race, issued with a timing, chip, cut the run course, claimed a medal plus photo and did nothing regarding the fact he had an official time. You shouldn't need to put in place "policies and procedures" for pacers, this guy was an experienced runner, he knows exactly how timing chips work and was well aware he had an official time, twice. I'm curious as to why he was DQ'd and not DNFed? You haven't done the course, you cross the finish line with your timing chip, the first thing you do is tell an offical, so they can DNF you. At the the Sunshine Coast worlds in 2016, there was some confusion about the number of laps of a certain section on the bike course, a few people did 1, came in well short of the correct bike distance and didn't inform anyone. They got a DQ. Those that mentioned it to an official got a DNF. The DQers may not have unintentionally cut the bike short, but not admitting to it, classifies as cheating. This guy is either a fucking cheat or a fucking moron.

You scooped me zedzded. Finkel is Einhorn. Thanks for the good laugh. I rode a P4 for years and doubt Ed’s was same size. I am 6’ tall. He def isn’t. We did buy them from same Tri store years ago and met through their Tri club. I was also the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll and changed Anne Jones Strava file to better match mileage of race. Now I just need a good double letter name handle to use.

How come he runs a 3.34 in 2016 in San Diego and then in 2017 runs a 4.30. Note his 5km and 10km splits were the same in these races.

Finally, I don't see the problem with the pacers taking a medal and holding up their medals as an expression of their happiness and pride at the finish line. Their accomplishment is different than the average runner's. Their medal and photo doesn't detract from anyone else's accomplishment. There's no actual injury.

Yeah maybe he didn't cheat, but IMO real poor error of judgement, claiming the medal + photos and allowing his time to stand. It's deceptive and duplicitous. I did a park run a few weeks ago, but felt my calf tighten so turned just before the 2km mark. I came trotting over the finish line in "first", they tried to give me the no 1 finishers token, but I told them I was a DNF. Pretty simple really. If I'd taken that token, that would have been cheating. I'm not sure what he's done that's different, other than being an official pacer. Claiming the medal and allowing the time to stand when you've cut the run short, it's cheating.. maybe, just maybe this guy is a complete moron and didn't think about it, so perhaps he should be given the benefit of the doubt...

Claiming? LOL. You are acting like a medal and a photo is something of value. Maybe to someone running his first marathon. But to someone who has run as many as this guy, it's useless crap to be put in a box and thrown away later if not directly thrown into the garbage.

I posted a follow up.

https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2018/07/pacer-accused-removed-results.html

Well, he only needs a 3:27. That should be childsplay for a 3:11 man!

How interesting ... 3:11 is what Mike Rossi "ran" at Lehigh Valley

Well, he only needs a 3:27. That should be childsplay for a 3:11 man!

That is the other silly thing about the 2018 PHX time (3:18)...if all you needed was a 3:27 (and when you ran the same course in 2015 and 2016 you have gotten pretty close to that time with 1:40 first halfs and a bit of a fade in the second half...), why would you be shooting for 1:28 at the half? Arguably, he looks twice as "run fit" in 2015 as well.

Agreed...Tucson! Revel! That said, I only see it as a real advantage (ie big PR potential) for a "slimmer" runner who has done some downhill training. For the average to borderline BQ runner of a certain BMI, you had better chill the f out coming down that 1% or your quads are going to explode in the last half.

I posted a follow up.

https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2018/07/pacer-accused-removed-results.html

Thanks for that Derek. It seems to raise more questions... I don't get the whole pacing thing. 2016 he paces but can't keep up. 2017 he paces but then ducks off and starts pacing with another group, 2018 he paces but goes slower than the pace he was designated. Perhaps he needs to rethink his career as a pacer.

I think what he's done, he's cut the course, got the medal, got the official time and left it there allowing people to believe he ran a 3.35 when they look at the results. And he's got the pacer "cover" story. Anyone challenges me, this is what happened. "Now I'll remove myself from the results"..... If you've been racing a while you'd have a number of friends, club mates, family etc googling your results and sending you congratulatory messages. Even if he'd "forgotten" to remove himself from the results, those messages would have been timely reminders... only now he does that.

Is he capable of running a 3.11? Runners come in all shapes and sizes, but the quicker those times get, the smaller and leaner the guys become. I've never seen anyone with that build run a 3.11. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it would be rare to find a big unit that can run that quick.

He has a GPS watch that he uses in races, but never saves it....

Strange splits for the Mesa-Phx race, most of the guys finishing at a similar time had between a 2 - 5 minute positive split discrepancy, his was 22mins. He runs the first half in 1.28, then runs a 1.50.

He's a cheat who has covered his ass to some extent e.g with the pacing story. But when you add everything up, odd split times, not saving the GPS race data, getting the medal/photos, not getting the time removed, his physique etc Too many red flags.

I'm mid 30's and it still baffles me, how to manipulate an post workout garmin file, but I guess I'm very non-tech savy with stuff like that.

ETA: Like how to make sure you covered every detail of the new corrupted file so that it's a seamless no questions asks new workout file, is above my pay grade.