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A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas
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What on Earth just happened? There were pelotons riding up and down the Hardy Toll Road and not a single ride marshal. Zero.

Thanks a lot, Ironman.
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [writhe] [ In reply to ]
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [writhe] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, WTC should demand the ride files from all the top 15 from most AGs and then load them into Strava for a flyover review....will be super easy to see who drafted for LARGE portions of the bike course.

One can dream



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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
As long as people vote with their pocketbook nothing will ever change.

I plan to vote ... by never doing this race again.
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [CPT Chaos] [ In reply to ]
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CPT Chaos wrote:
Yep, WTC should demand the ride files from all the top 15 from most AGs and then load them into Strava for a flyover review....will be super easy to see who drafted for LARGE portions of the bike course.

One can dream

Or just moto-marshall the course like ever other race. Can it be that hard to find a local MC willing to cover a few hundred miles?
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [turningscrews] [ In reply to ]
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Just look at this video!
https://m.facebook.com/...;id=1526083630835352

Start at 1515 and get shocked!
Simimar size group 2 min before, so not a one off. Its pathetic!
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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This is so hard to watch.

I'd be pretty unhappy if I was racing there.
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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That’s laughable lol, who can happily sit in the pack like that and be proud of their race?
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [coates_hbk] [ In reply to ]
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Check out crash at 42:32 danger of riding in packs - GIF here - https://d.pr/i/1LmH8U
and this, unreal

Last edited by: grayskinner: Apr 28, 18 23:39
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [grayskinner] [ In reply to ]
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grayskinner wrote:
Check out crash at 42:32 danger of riding in packs
and this, unreal

Lol, that’s hilarious.
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [writhe] [ In reply to ]
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Explains why American pros have done so poorly at Kona over the last 15 years, in domestic races they get to draft with impunity.
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [writhe] [ In reply to ]
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I believe major clubs should claim an official protest to WTC/ITU both, otherwise it will stay in Internet and thing will not change.

There is exactly the same story in Barcelona, where people race in packs.
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [TriguyBlue] [ In reply to ]
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iIt's really not funny when you have opposite traffic so close coming in the other direction and you see everyone flare out. It was scary to make a pass in the opposite direction when a peloton 3 or 4 wide is coming right at you. Never know when something like this will happen and a guy going 24+ comes head on into your lane.

I can appreciate the difficulty in finding a dedicated lane for motorcycles or something. But to just not even try at all. The smallest races I've ever been to had more moto support and Marshall presence than that.
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [KG6] [ In reply to ]
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I'm becoming a TO.
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [zedzded] [ In reply to ]
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And still there are people who don't want to draft!!!!!!!

The other lane seems ok to me regarding drafting (people returning).

It remains an individual choice.
Last edited by: Testrider: Apr 29, 18 2:15
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [TriguyBlue] [ In reply to ]
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Funny thing is the pack reformed
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [writhe] [ In reply to ]
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writhe wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
As long as people vote with their pocketbook nothing will ever change.

I plan to vote ... by never doing this race again.

I haven't done an IM race since 2008 and they are still in business :(
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [jaretj] [ In reply to ]
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jaretj wrote:
writhe wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
As long as people vote with their pocketbook nothing will ever change.

I plan to vote ... by never doing this race again.

I haven't done an IM race since 2008 and they are still in business :(

Too much middle aged blank skin left with space for an IMdouche tattoo
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [KG6] [ In reply to ]
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Northbound had the the divider and a single lane, no way a motorcycle could go down it. Southbound is another story. Two lanes and a shoulder. There would have been zero issues with officials patrolling on it. It is how the "tech support" and support vehicles made it up and down the roadway.
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [writhe] [ In reply to ]
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Saw it with my own eyes yesterday. Crazy. One pack got so wide these idiots were riding in the wrong lane directly into oncoming cyclists. Luckily when they came at me nobody was passing. Empty penalty tents and I do not recall seeing anyone patrolling the race. Very unsafe.

Regards,
J. Smith
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [grayskinner] [ In reply to ]
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grayskinner wrote:
Check out crash at 42:32 danger of riding in packs - GIF here - https://d.pr/i/1LmH8U
and this, unreal

Serves them right, hope no one got seriously hurt but that's karma.
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [stevie g] [ In reply to ]
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stevie g wrote:
Explains why American pros have done so poorly at Kona over the last 15 years, in domestic races they get to draft with impunity.

wtf does age group drafting have to do with american pros' performance in kona?
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [stevie g] [ In reply to ]
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stevie g wrote:
Explains why American pros have done so poorly at Kona over the last 15 years, in domestic races they get to draft with impunity.

Starky can't catch a break. He's both biking way too hard off the front and simultaneously drafting with impunity.
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [grayskinner] [ In reply to ]
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grayskinner wrote:
Check out crash at 42:32 danger of riding in packs - GIF here - https://d.pr/i/1LmH8U
and this, unreal

Instant justice ;-)
Sam
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Re: A Very Large Group Ride aka Ironman Texas [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
stevie g wrote:
Explains why American pros have done so poorly at Kona over the last 15 years, in domestic races they get to draft with impunity.


Starky can't catch a break. He's both biking way too hard off the front and simultaneously drafting with impunity.

Stupidest comment on the internet about drafting. Blaming pros for misbehaving age groupers.

Watched the video feed and in that location with the width of the road no reason to choose to draft. You can always let the train go and ride up the road. Glad to see so many who actually chose to ride an honourable race.

I'm not defending the drafters, but I would say there is a large group of athletes riding legal too.

As for blaming WTC on the marshalling front, well it is never acceptable when there are no marshalls but when did we all lose accountability for ourselves. Just cause someone is drafting in a pack and stealing your Kona slot, it does not make it acceptable to join the train and get on a level playing field of Kona slot stealing. This is exactly why everyone in the pro peloton had to be on EPO in the 90's and 2000's. For them, you either got on EPO and kept your pro contract, or you went back to being a bricklayer in Khazakstan or a factory worker in the US or wherever. I'm not saying that makes it OK, but really at the age group level, WTF are people stealing artificial times for? I thought the entire point of age group sport was to challenge ourselves.

Dev
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