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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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What about this?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Aftermarket-Shimano-11-Speed-Freehub-Conversion-kit-fits-Zipp-188-V6-V7-hub-/171857469297?hash=item280380df71:g:WNEAAOSwECZUoEPS

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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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Any idea of where to look for someone to mill the back of a cassette?

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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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Not specifically, but most any local machine shop could likely do it on a lathe. You have to tell them exactly where and how much material to remove. And you gotta check that when the cassette body will move inward toward your rear spokes, that there will be sufficient clearance between the cogs and cassette spider and your hub/spokes (and that the RD and chain will also clear your spokes safely). My guess is that if you don't have a friend or connection at a machine shop nearby, it likely will not be a cheap job.
But I could be wrong.
Then again, if you don't plunk down more money on an irreversible cassette mod, there is always this option.

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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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I did your original mod when I first got 11-speed shifters. But I was able to convert a DT hub for <$100, so I went that route and now get to use all 11 speeds. The goal is to be able to swap out wheels without having to adjust the derailleur limits.

My thought is that filing off the tabs is a better method of permanently altering a wheel if I want to use multiple cassettes with it, but milling out the back of a cassette is a great band-aid that will not compromise the strength of the freehub body.

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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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What brand/kind of wheel is it?

If it were me, and I was going to be doing any machining, I would definitely favor modding the cassette vs the freehub for durability reasons.

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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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DarkSpeedWorks wrote:
What brand/kind of wheel is it?

If it were me, and I was going to be doing any machining, I would definitely favor modding the cassette vs the freehub for durability reasons.

I have a Zipp 900 disc that I would rather not mess with. But I also have a pair of Dura Ace 7800 wheels that I would be more willing to experiment on.

The problem is that I'm fine running just one cassette on the DA wheels for training, but want the flexibility of different cassettes for the disc. So what I should do is machine the cassette to fit on the DA freehub an make my disc freehub compatible with any 11-speed cassette.

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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [duvivr6] [ In reply to ]
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I've got a Zipp campy 11 speed hub for sale, PM if you're interested.
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry it's in Japanese, but Pax cycle( http://www.paxcycle.com/?pid=77387388 ) sell custom-machined Shimano cassette and specifically says they don't work with 7800 Dura-Ace hubs and wheels.

Another note, I ended up using DSW method in IM Coz last year. I had to use a replacement wheel there, and could only get 10 speed wheel. I took 16T out and adjusted RD and it worked fine. A little trouble was that mine has Di2. When I tried to shift to the largest cog while the adjuster limiting the RD movement, it makes some noise and I had to shift back right away, so I don't think it's a permanent solution with Di2 setup. Still worked fine for the race, and I was glad I knew the method, otherwise I wasn't able to race. Thank you for sharing it!
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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Any idea of where to look for someone to mill the back of a cassette?

I'd sketch what you need done and take it to a local machine shop. They will probably do it for whatever their minimum is. It's a simple job.

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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [al-gorithm] [ In reply to ]
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What about this? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Aftermarket-Shimano-11-Speed-Freehub-Conversion-kit-fits-Zipp-188-V6-V7-hub-/171857469297?hash=item280380df71:g:WNEAAOSwECZUoEPS

Sure, if that's the hub you have, $120 for a kit is reasonable.

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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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I bought one of those kits for a zipp 10spd 188 hub. works fine. was a little concerned of RD hitting spokes but loads of clearance and easy to do. plus it's cheaper than a campag freehub and cassette.
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [kyle h] [ In reply to ]
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So you're saying I can change the freehub on a 2012 Zipp 900 to Campy 11 speed?
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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We've got a local guy here in Fort Worth, TX who does exactly that. Not sure what his website is but facebook is https://www.facebook.com/...oldBicycles/?fref=ts
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [duvivr6] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,
i have been machining 11 speed cassette for awhile now here in Montréal. I modify Shimano and Sram (except red) cassettes. I do the modification with a lathe so the work is very precise and looks great.
I remove just enough material so Sproke clearance has never been a problem on any set of wheels if properly adjusted.
Cassette can be reused on 11 hub with the use of 2 cassette thin shims.
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [Hugo cannondale] [ In reply to ]
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How much are you charging? Are they 0.5mm spacers you are using?

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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [al-gorithm] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

always done this local here and i charge 45$ (canadian) when people bring in their cassette.
I'm thinking of selling modified new ones over the net.
actually it's 2 X 1mm shims for 11s hubs. (not 0.5mm)
Last edited by: Hugo cannondale: Apr 7, 16 5:54
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [mendne] [ In reply to ]
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Did you fix your 10 speed disc to accommodate 11 speed cassette?

Did anyone try out http://www.ebay.ca/...1:g:WNEAAOSwECZUoEPS
on a zipp disc wheel?
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [rjrankin] [ In reply to ]
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FWIW, I swapped out my Shimano freehub for a Campy freehub on my 2011 Zipp 900 a few months ago. Takes about 2 minutes. Of course, you then need to use a Campy 11 speed cassette, but it's working just fine for me. For the record, I'm using a Campy Chorus 12-25 11 speed cassette with KMC 11 speed chain, but everything else is Shimano Ultegra 6800.

I'll also give a nod to DSW's method of simply dropping out a cog on a Shimano 11 speed cassette and running 10 cogs on the Shimano 10 speed freehub, which is what I was doing prior to my Campy conversion. Works perfectly, you just have 10 gears.
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [ironacct] [ In reply to ]
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Did you have to use a specific zipp 182 campy hub body? Or did a generic campy hub work?

I ask because I can't find a 182 campy zipp hub anywhere
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [Geek_fit] [ In reply to ]
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I used a Zipp 182 Campy hub body. Not what else might work. It was a devil to find.
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [Geek_fit] [ In reply to ]
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I think for the Zipp wheel you are going to need the Zipp 182 Campy hub. It is slightly different than the Campy hub. I switched to SRAM 11 this year and for my Campy wheels all I did was drop in a Campy 11sp cassette on the same hub. With my Zipp disc I needed to add an additional .25mm spacer in the hub to move the hub body outboard a bit to prevent the cogs from pressing up against the wheel to work. If you find and can install the 182 Campy hub it will work and Zipp has the appropriate spacer. See the technical bulletin in the link below:
http://www.zipp.com/support/maintenance/campy11.php#sm.000owmikd9yxdim10a91vd4p8wsnl


I have used this configuration twice in races and worked perfectly.
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [Stelvio] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah. The issue is finding a hub. I had one but long story short..it didn't work (broken)

I called zipp and they had 1 that they wanted me to ship to a dealer...for 375 bucks. So I'm not doing that.
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [mendne] [ In reply to ]
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Simplest fix is the new Ultegra sg800 11-34 cassette.It fits on both 10 speed and 11 speed road hubs-ONLY the 11-34 ,no others such as 11-32
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [carbonsport] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a reasonably strong cyclist, but haven't been around the sport that long. My past 3 bikes have all been 11 speed and I've run 10 speed discs on them, however I'm struggling to understand the desperate need for 11 speed. People in my area selling 10 speed wheels, it's like trying to sell dog shit. Very little interest as soon as people find out it's 10 speed and con't be converted. Am I missing something?
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Re: Fitting an 11 speed cassette to a 10 speed zipp disc wheel [zedzded] [ In reply to ]
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zedzded wrote:
I'm a reasonably strong cyclist, but haven't been around the sport that long. My past 3 bikes have all been 11 speed and I've run 10 speed discs on them, however I'm struggling to understand the desperate need for 11 speed. People in my area selling 10 speed wheels, it's like trying to sell dog shit. Very little interest as soon as people find out it's 10 speed and con't be converted. Am I missing something?

Its not about having the extra gear, its keeping up with the compatibility of everything that has been sold for the past couple of years and moving forward. Anyone who has bought a new bike has 11 speed components, thus a 10 speed wheel that won't fit an 11 speed cassette is useless without one of the above conversion hacks.
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