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Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
See the headphones! How awesome would it be if THIS was the proof that the Donald presents as his concrete evidence?
Probably a 50/50 chance of that happening tomorrow morning on Twitter.
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [triguy101]
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Dude. Obama has headphones on.
What more do you need to see?
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
What more do you need to see?
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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They have had the scoop on a few big stories over the years.
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [SkipG]
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SkipG wrote:
They have had the scoop on a few big stories over the years.A broken clock is right twice a day.
How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [BLeP]
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BLeP wrote:
SkipG wrote:
They have had the scoop on a few big stories over the years.A broken clock is right twice a day.
Just a few of the stories they got right...
http://politicschatter.com/...-actually-got-right/
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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A decent person would have rotated the picture for us.
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [IHOP]
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IHOP wrote:
A decent person would have rotated the picture for us.Looks fine on my screen.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
IHOP wrote:
A decent person would have rotated the picture for us.Looks fine on my screen.
Mine too.
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Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
IHOP wrote:
A decent person would have rotated the picture for us.Looks fine on my screen.
I'll just mark it up to you making a turn to the left.
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Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [JD21]
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Well my question has always been this...
If Trump and or his campaign is/was investigated for colluding with the Russians then wouldn't the FBI (or other agency) "tapp his wires"? And if they didn't then why the fuck not?
And our idiot reps in Washington utterly failed to ask this simple question.
Comey shot down the idea that "obama tapped Trump Tower". That's a pretty narrow statement.
Was there any type of listening of Trump campaign people going on?
My gut says yes.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
If Trump and or his campaign is/was investigated for colluding with the Russians then wouldn't the FBI (or other agency) "tapp his wires"? And if they didn't then why the fuck not?
And our idiot reps in Washington utterly failed to ask this simple question.
Comey shot down the idea that "obama tapped Trump Tower". That's a pretty narrow statement.
Was there any type of listening of Trump campaign people going on?
My gut says yes.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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It would appear your gut may well be correct but we shall see how this plays out. Will Trump then be vindicated on this topic although Obama may not have 'ordered' the wiretap but was aware of monitoring and data collection? Which, I agree with you, would've been a requirement of a proper investigation into the allegations of collusion with Russia.
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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Maybe that's what Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton were discussing that day on the Phoenix tarmac, sounds like as good as a conspiracy as any other! Obama didn't have to order the "tapp" if the head of DoJ was willing to do it.
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Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [JD21]
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would've been a requirement of a proper investigation into the allegations of collusion with Russia.And that's just the thing. It would be wholly appropriate to conduct surveillance if they had reasonable suspicion that something illegal would be found.
So why not just say, "yeah we fucking tapped him, what of it, bitch?!"
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
Well my question has always been this... If Trump and or his campaign is/was investigated for colluding with the Russians then wouldn't the FBI (or other agency) "tapp his wires"? And if they didn't then why the fuck not?
And our idiot reps in Washington utterly failed to ask this simple question.
Comey shot down the idea that "obama tapped Trump Tower". That's a pretty narrow statement.
Was there any type of listening of Trump campaign people going on?
My gut says yes.
Vitus has raised this obvious question repeatedly. Comey's response was nothing short of emphatic, though as you say, possibly intentionally narrow and specific--as was Trump's tweets about phone taps in Trump Tower, ordered by "sick" or "bad" Obama.
It would seem Trump's ire should be directed squarely at the FBI. They don't operate on a President's whim.
The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [sphere]
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It would seem Trump's ire should be directed squarely at the FBI. They don't operate on a President's whim. I know that and you know that, but does Trump know that?
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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If Trump and or his campaign is/was investigated for colluding with the Russians then wouldn't the FBI (or other agency) "tapp his wires"? And if they didn't then why the fuck not?
Just because there's an investigation doesn't mean there's also sufficient probable cause to tap a phone, which would require pre-authorization from a court. And that probable cause has to go to the specific line that is to be tapped. So assuming, for the sake of argument, that there was probable cause to tap Manafort; doesn't necessarily follow that there's probable cause to tap anything at Trump Tower (whatever tapping Trump Tower means, given that there are several business and residences there completely unassociated with Trump or the campaign), or any phone associated with the campaign, on the off chance that Manafort might use that phone.
So Comey answered the narrow question. But does Trump really want to explore the broader question, which could reveal whether there was indeed probable cause to obtain a warrant or court authorization? Probable cause doesn't mean that a crime was committed, but for PR purposes, it's still pretty damning.
Just because there's an investigation doesn't mean there's also sufficient probable cause to tap a phone, which would require pre-authorization from a court. And that probable cause has to go to the specific line that is to be tapped. So assuming, for the sake of argument, that there was probable cause to tap Manafort; doesn't necessarily follow that there's probable cause to tap anything at Trump Tower (whatever tapping Trump Tower means, given that there are several business and residences there completely unassociated with Trump or the campaign), or any phone associated with the campaign, on the off chance that Manafort might use that phone.
So Comey answered the narrow question. But does Trump really want to explore the broader question, which could reveal whether there was indeed probable cause to obtain a warrant or court authorization? Probable cause doesn't mean that a crime was committed, but for PR purposes, it's still pretty damning.
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AlanShearer: Mar 22, 17 11:26
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
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It would seem Trump's ire should be directed squarely at the FBI. They don't operate on a President's whim. I know that and you know that, but does Trump know that?
Well, that's been the gist of my irritation about his tweeting about it. It just lays bare his ignorance and intemperance, not to mention his absolute commitment to confirmation bias in information gathering.
The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [AlanShearer]
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Yes, I understand all that.
The question is still unanswered.
Was Trump listened to by FBI?
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
The question is still unanswered.
Was Trump listened to by FBI?
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
Yes, I understand all that. The question is still unanswered.
Was Trump listened to by FBI?
If you understand that, then why did you ask why the fuck didn't they listen if he was under investigation?
And as I edited my post, does Trump really want that question answered, given that it would likely also disclose that there was probable cause to listen?
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AlanShearer: Mar 22, 17 11:29
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [AlanShearer]
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AlanShearer wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Yes, I understand all that. The question is still unanswered.
Was Trump listened to by FBI?
If you understand that, then why did you ask why the fuck didn't they listen if he was under investigation?
Uh, I asked the question because I don't know the answer. Just because you provided a possible answer it doesn't mean that that is the answer. And just because I understand that your hypothetical answer is possible I still don't have the actual answer.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [Duffy]
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Whatever.
Re: Proof Obama wiretapped Trump! [AlanShearer]
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AlanShearer wrote:
Whatever.Ok. I'll stop trying to learn things.
Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.
- Chinese proverb
Interesting turn of events: http://www.msn.com/...r-BByBfw8?li=BBnb4R7