This is so widely misunderstood by almost everyone even people with permits I felt you might want to take a look at this map. I have had my permit in various states for 24 years now and while I would never open carry it's going to surprise you how many states allow it. Some require a permit, some don't. Even 'printing' is widely misunderstood even by many law enforcement.

This map is 2 years old according to the article and laws change all the time. For instance Texas is now an open carry state, but there may be states there who have gone the other way and are not updated.

http://blogs.wsj.com/...en-carry-legal-1715/

Much of your post is spot-on, but I disagree with this item. Outside of cycling specific issues, Small of Back (SOB) carry is generally a bad idea because falling on them may (and does) cause spinal injuries, they also pose significant issues in entanglement situations.

I'm sure someone has figured it out, but darn I can't imagine having one riding in a tt position and not have it bother me. The only config I could envision would be a shoulder rig of some kind and riding a road bike. That said I've never done it so can't say beyond guessing. If on hip a cross draw would seem to be a more likely setup to work in my minds eye.

I don't know what the laws are with OPEN CARRY vs CONCEALED CARRY, but you'd think just having a pistol, (or firearm of any type) visible would be enough to deter any would be crackhead assailant. It might get some interesting calls to the local PD about a lycra clad superhero riding around their municipality though.
You'd think highly visible would be the way to go?

That's why it's our duty as citizens to conceal carry as much as possible, so the crackheads and gangbangers and young urban thugs will assume everyone is carrying and back off!!

Also, don't open carry if you're black even it is legal to do so - you're just asking to be stopped and possible killed by someone else perceiving you as a threat.

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That's a personal decision for each person to make within the boundaries of their state laws so I will refrain from saying either way what someone else should/could do. I can't open carry here in FL, but I wouldn't nor will I when/if it passes which it should this year it's in the legislature and clearing hurdles. I believe a passage of open carry in FL would be a good case study for those who say open carry will lead to mayhem b/c we have more permit holders than any state in the country with ~ 1.3 million. So, if the opponents of open carry are right it's about to become the wild west here.

It isn't misunderstood, it is often not clearly defined. Nominally the guidance is that if you are concealing it, it has to be 100% concealed or it could be considered brandishing. If you are open carry then it has to be 100% open. In terms of cycling with a jersey on (assuming you are holstered on your person) it could be interpreted either way depending on how you are wearing it. There could be legal exceptions to the brandishing charge, if for example; you are concealed but you bend over and your suit jacket opens and reveals a shoulder holster that one wouldn't normally see. In cycling, however, the clothes are designed to be fitted so the outline of a pistol would be easily recognized by someone who is looking for it regardless of how well you conceal it. On that note, if you conceal it really well it defeats the purpose of having a pistol if it takes you a long time to get it out of it's holster. That discussion is best suited between the carrier and his/her attorney and or local law enforcement. Generally pistols suck as PDF (personal defense weapons) because they are relatively difficult to use well and there is significant risk of having it taken from you and used against you - especially if your assailant has any kind of background in police, military, or Krav Maga. If you are really worried about it then I would go with a contact taser which can be easily concealed in your cycling jersey and is dead simple to use in anger.

Ohio has been an open carry state for the last 10 years. I lived there the last 10 years (before moving to Florida this yr) and I never once ever saw anyone open carrying a firearm ever. So doubtful that it will be a problem

I doubt it will either, but it doesn't stop the other side the conversation from screaming at the top of their lungs that the world will devolve into a shooting range on the streets if open carry does pass.

I think you are talking to the wrong guy I'm not concealing on a bike. I have no questions or reservations about how I operate with my firearm.

Funny how in one statement you say everyone should carry, then in another how due to prejudice some may try to kill......................so you think its a good idea for all those prejudiced hot trigger people to be carrying that are apt to be unfair and and apt to to quickly pull a gun because of a man or woman's color? ok

Maybe, I was really responding to the difference between open carry and concealed. I think it was you who said that the difference is misunderstood but that is because people don't really look into it. If you were to carry on a bike I would go fully concealed in which case it doesn't matter whether you are in an open carry state or not. If you are in an open carry state and you are open carrying on your bike you have to make sure you are compliant with the law. I could see people carrying open hip but with a rain jacket which could run afoul of your state/local jurisdiction. I don't want to see that happen to people.

Actually I was referring to both LEO's and citizens. Right now we have a high profile local lawsuit of a LEO illegally detaining a guy simply b/c the LEO had no idea what the law is.....it happens. Citizen was in the right, city is wrong and now they are in a lawsuit. I want to add I have the utmost respect for LEO's two of my best shooting pals are retired gov't/local LEO's. They do an enormously tough job for little pay and rarely get thanked. I'm hugely thankful for the work they do and the protection they provide us....that said the laws surrounding what citizens can/can't do need constant revisiting by all involved. The phones will be ringing off the hook when/if open carry passes here ......I for one will not be contributing to that mess for the LEO's. I want to make it clear this isn't an anti-LEO post.....it's freaking hard to keep all this stuff up to date. I cannot fathom doing their job it's complex and like the 3 foot putt. Everyone expects you to make it all the time and when you miss one 'you idiot you suck!'. This is a really tough topic for them and I cannot fathom the stress of that job. I've had my permit for almost 25 years and I constantly keep up to date on the evolving landscape....reciprocity....licensing....state law changes etc.

I wonder what the details of that lawsuit are? Police are allowed to do a sanity check on open carry folks - the constitution doesn't prevent the police from asking you why you are walking around with a gun. Something happened in CO springs where a shooter was carrying his AR around and someone called 911 and the operator said "we are an open carry state..." and that man went on to murder...three people I think?

Do you have a link to a news article?

Here you go:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29071759/colorado-springs-police-release-tape-911-call-warning

Thanks. I appreciate it.

Sorry to not make my attempt at parody more obvious. I suppose the first statement is too similar to actual statements we've heard from people who like guns a lot (eg "An armed society is a polite society")

I find the prevalence of people carrying and wanting to carry guns in the US at once scary, sad, and laughable. Terrible overall.

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I wonder if the other posters realize you are a black man...it shouldn't matter but I am sure that it does. I can smell your sarcasm in your original response to 777 from here and I sense that Kenney doesn't get it and may have a different idea of your response if he knew that. Maybe not, though.

Oh....gotcha

If I'm carrying a firearm open carry in Pennsylvania, and a police officer comes up to me and asks me why I'm armed, I'm perfectly within my rights to say that I'm armed because it's my RIGHT to be armed. End of story.

That is true, but they are also checking other things like whether they suspect you are under the influence of drugs or whether you are about to do something monumentally stupid. If you respond the way you say you are probably fine because you are demonstrating lucidity. If you were to slur those words whilst insulting the officer's mother's, you are probably going to be escorted to the clink. The point is, however, the police don't need a lot of reason to make contact with citizens - armed or not. Just like they are allowed to ask, "where are you going", they are allowed to ask why you are armed. I wonder how many times these probing questions have dissuaded hot-heads from escalating to something much worse and permanent simply because a cop bothered to ask what they were doing and why? The police are also generally allowed to compel you to disarm yourself while you speak/interact with them. Refusal can quickly be interpreted as 'resistance' which police get testy about when you have a gun.

 Here is a recent case from my old hometown of Akron Ohio. Some people were pissed because a guy was constantly walking around with a rifle strapped across his back. Police could not and would not do anything about it since they were aware of the law

http://www.cleveland.com/...op_owner_confro.html

I agree it's not a good idea to carry out such practice, but it is the law

I think you're exaggerating. It's not like the police are shooting black kids on the street or black guys in Walmarts playing with toy guns, or black guys being shot simply because they're carrying phones or cans of Arizona Iced Tea. Even if there were, they're black and their lives don't really matter. Plus, even in the off chance that such a thing could happen (which it couldn't) I'm sure the people who did the shooting would be punished.

A friend rocks a DoubleTap Defence in 45. It fits right in his jersey pocket and is about as noticeable as a cell phone. He has the ti version, which might be a good choice since it is impervious to sweat. I do not CCW on the bike, but this is what I would carry if I did. It is a beast to shoot though, if you want an idea, take a ball peen hammer to your hand. They have a 9mm and .223 version, as well.