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Re: New Canyon on their website [Andrewmc]
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Re: New Canyon on their website [stetri99]
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2016 model year bikes - if you go to tri then follow link to model finder no tri bikes are currently listed - they said they'd be available to order in Dec
Re: New Canyon on their website [pad]
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any updates on prices?
Re: New Canyon on their website [triguy119]
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triguy119 wrote:
any updates on prices?It's driving me crazy too. If there's an Ultegra version of this bike at $4,999, I'm all in.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [GMAN19030]
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The only thing I've seen was on the Speedmax review on Tririg. Nick said that a Canyon person told him North America in December. Since then I haven't heard a peep. I've directly contacted Canyon about this and they denied that it would happen. Which, of course, is totally expected.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [JamieJ]
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Why is there no U.S. distribution? Why isn't the geometry published? Canyon should seize the moment and sell some bikes!
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Re: New Canyon on their website [GreatScott]
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canyon - and this is not a complaint as I have 3, routinely have problems meeting demand, so you can wait weeks for orders. selling in to the US is likely to compound that issue further meaning more people waiting for more bikes in more places
There have been discussions about the legal issues and compliance for distribution in US I'm not sure if there are issues but I'd be interested to know how they'd set it up as my understanding is that they assemble their bikes and distribute from Germany. I've friends in Qatar and Dubai who've bought them and whilst they've not paid VAT they pay shipping which basically completely offsets VAT and there are no import duties its good value.
In the US you'd have to pay import duty on bike plus shipping then clearance fee's which would not be cheap.
There have been discussions about the legal issues and compliance for distribution in US I'm not sure if there are issues but I'd be interested to know how they'd set it up as my understanding is that they assemble their bikes and distribute from Germany. I've friends in Qatar and Dubai who've bought them and whilst they've not paid VAT they pay shipping which basically completely offsets VAT and there are no import duties its good value.
In the US you'd have to pay import duty on bike plus shipping then clearance fee's which would not be cheap.
Re: New Canyon on their website [GreatScott]
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If they were really on it they would have launched the day of/after Kona given how well Frodo did.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [JamieJ]
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exactly. I can already see the bike selling out in December.. they always do when it comes to Canyon
Re: New Canyon on their website [Andrewmc]
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Now that the new facility is up and running in Koblenz maybe shipping delays will be better. However, I've been following them on FB and there are a LOT of comments complaining about extremely slow, open ended delivery. That's kind of soured my on the whole thing.
Re: New Canyon on their website [JamieJ]
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You must know a lot about bike production
Re: New Canyon on their website [JamieJ]
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JamieJ wrote:
If they were really on it they would have launched the day of/after Kona given how well Frodo did. Jamie
This has been modus operandi for Canyon for a lot of years and they still sell a ton of bikes whilst increasing prices every year.
Re: New Canyon on their website [lacticturkey]
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edit - I thought your response was directed at me - it wasn't, so this isn't in reply to your post but more a general observation
Canyon appear to have a model where they provide well specified bikes at a reasonable cost and they do not appear to be able to keep up with demand
Exporting those bikes outside the EU to countries with VAT / duty costs to be added will make it harder for them to be competitive - as well FX rates
Exporting to additional markets - unless there has been a significant change in their existing model and capacity is likely to further worsen delays for existing markets
Its difficult to manage, the US market has to be ridiculously attractive but there has to be a significant risk with entering it if they cant meet the needs of their existing market
Canyon appear to have a model where they provide well specified bikes at a reasonable cost and they do not appear to be able to keep up with demand
Exporting those bikes outside the EU to countries with VAT / duty costs to be added will make it harder for them to be competitive - as well FX rates
Exporting to additional markets - unless there has been a significant change in their existing model and capacity is likely to further worsen delays for existing markets
Its difficult to manage, the US market has to be ridiculously attractive but there has to be a significant risk with entering it if they cant meet the needs of their existing market
Re: New Canyon on their website [Andrewmc]
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I agree with your post (although I do think Canyon is coming to the US, they're already going to Australia I think and besides, why else sponsor Kona this year?) but I think you have to separate duty and VAT, because you still pay VAT for intra-EU orders.
Re: New Canyon on their website [lacticturkey]
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Not a fucking thing
Re: New Canyon on their website [snaaijert]
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you're correct but duty rates are different on components than finished items - so if components are brought in and assembled and shipped out again the import duties at the second end can be different - I don't know about duties on bikes
Canyons model at the open is to send by courier in europe and to ME - I don't know how cost effective that is to the US and I have no idea how they do it in Oz
Canyons model at the open is to send by courier in europe and to ME - I don't know how cost effective that is to the US and I have no idea how they do it in Oz
Re: New Canyon on their website [Andrewmc]
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canyon - and this is not a complaint as I have 3, routinely have problems meeting demand, so you can wait weeks for orders. selling in to the US is likely to compound that issue further meaning more people waiting for more bikes in more places.Thank you for that explanation. Interesting they so active with sponsorship of athletes and events while they have supply side constraints. Woudn't those dollars would be better spent on production? I'm not throwing stones, just scratching my head on the business model.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [GreatScott]
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they should make a lottery for one or two speedmax models, just for fun.
Re: New Canyon on their website [JamieJ]
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So why don't you explain it to us?
Re: New Canyon on their website [COJO]
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COJO wrote:
I love it!! It just makes sense to have everything you need integrated into the bike. I dont want to even hear the price as Canyon is usually very proud of their products? and what is really THAT different than the new Plasma? They look very similar.Is this a real post? Canyon is by far one of the most reasonably priced companies when it comes to their bikes and offerings.
Perhaps youre right? Maybe I am combining availability in the U.S. and rarity in the U.S. and assuming an exotic price tag. I love the bike so.....I hope youre right.
Canyon bikes are fantastic value for money compared to any other brand.
The only negatives are that you may not get the opportunity to see one in person before buying and may have a bit of a wait depending on what you're after.
Re: New Canyon on their website [Ai_1]
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are waiting times long in Europe as well? I live in Brazil, but I have a friend living in Germany, and my cousin lives in the UK. I will buy the bike, and I do prefer to send it to my cousin in the UK, will I have to wait longer?
Re: New Canyon on their website [triguy119]
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triguy119,
I also live in Brazil and bought a Canyon MTB and had it delivered to my hotel in Portugal.
After payment, it was delivered after 2 weeks.
Just an advice: just buy if it is on immediate deliver
I also live in Brazil and bought a Canyon MTB and had it delivered to my hotel in Portugal.
After payment, it was delivered after 2 weeks.
Just an advice: just buy if it is on immediate deliver
Re: New Canyon on their website [Andrewmc]
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Andrewmc wrote:
Exporting those bikes outside the EU to countries with VAT / duty costs to be added will make it harder for them to be competitive - as well FX rates
The FX rates (Eurodollar close to a 5Y low) should be helping them being competitive in North America. Imports of raw materials are a little more expensive, but labour is relatively cheap in USD terms and gross margin should be relatively good.
I don't see how the VAT/duty would impact the competitiveness - the prices for delivery to Germany include German VAT that would be removed before you add US taxes. You only pay VAT once and the relative mark-up should be similar for Canyon/Trek/Cervelo etc. (I assume there are no anti-dumping taxes on bikes imported from Germany).
Canyon bikes sold into the UK are significantly (>10% for the models I checked) more expensive than those sold into Germany though. Possibly a cushion against adverse fx movements in the future, I doubt they will want large fluctuations in retail prices when and if the Euro appreciates again. I would expect to see something similar when prices for US distribution are announced.
Re: New Canyon on their website [JamieJ]
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JamieJ wrote:
The only thing I've seen was on the Speedmax review on Tririg. Nick said that a Canyon person told him North America in December. Since then I haven't heard a peep. I've directly contacted Canyon about this and they denied that it would happen. Which, of course, is totally expected. Jamie
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