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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [rbrnut] [ In reply to ]
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No ETA on how long the service check and repair will take. There was no cost since I'm within the warranty period and they sent a prepaid Fedex shipping label.

I will be sure to post my results when it returns.

I would send mine in too... but I don't want to be without it. If yours comes back fixed... I will send mine too.

We will let you be the guinea pig :)
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [Donzo98] [ In reply to ]
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Donzo98 wrote:
rbrnut wrote:
No ETA on how long the service check and repair will take. There was no cost since I'm within the warranty period and they sent a prepaid Fedex shipping label.

I will be sure to post my results when it returns.

I would send mine in too... but I don't want to be without it. If yours comes back fixed... I will send mine too.

We will let you be the guinea pig :)

Yea going back to the Performance MAG trainer I haul around for races isn't fun :-)

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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [rbrnut] [ In reply to ]
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So to those actually using the beta, how results are you getting.

I have the following setup;

Beta firmware .26 with the option to be controlled from an external PM.
The ID of my quarq in the box.
A green light when recording a workout in wahooligan
The use power option unticked in TR.

All this and I am still 20 watts out. Even after warmups, multiple calibrations at both ends, it remains 15-20 watts out. Now, call me simple, but if something was supposed to be adjusting the resistance based on an input figure (my quarq), why the hell is it not even close.

I have an open RMA to return this, but I would then be left without a trainer at all, so trying to get this working before I give up. Already advised a friend not to bother with the kickr and think I will just buy a computrainer!

On the internet, you can be anything you want. It is a pity so many people choose to be stupid.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [chrisbint] [ In reply to ]
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Hey team,

I bought a Kickr to use while rehabbing from a broken hip - have upgraded to .26 and have wahooligan app (after making a very nice request of Wahoo support in line with the advice on here).

Only problem is - I don't seem to have the option to control the thing from an external power meter? I have a set of vector s's. Do I need to have the ant + plug in my phone to activate this option (I would presume not...).

Have also entered the "ilovecupcakes" code into the details section on wahooligan, but no love... only thing different is the "speed sensor erg mode" thing...

Anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [njosey17] [ In reply to ]
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u do not need to have Ant + on your phone........just follow the instruction and add PM ID to your app.



njosey17 wrote:
Hey team,

I bought a Kickr to use while rehabbing from a broken hip - have upgraded to .26 and have wahooligan app (after making a very nice request of Wahoo support in line with the advice on here).

Only problem is - I don't seem to have the option to control the thing from an external power meter? I have a set of vector s's. Do I need to have the ant + plug in my phone to activate this option (I would presume not...).

Have also entered the "ilovecupcakes" code into the details section on wahooligan, but no love... only thing different is the "speed sensor erg mode" thing...

Anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [gormleyflyer] [ In reply to ]
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Had an interesting test tonight. (this is my second kickr - first one had horrible drift + watt offset and funky speed sensor)

the second Kickr is similar, same 20-25 watts high compared to PM (Vector, which is another story ! ! )

Anyway, i've had great success with the Wahooligan App, it's worked perfect for my designed WO's in Perf Pro and IMobiles.

Anyway. i used the calibration kit and now have Kickr that reads 20 watts lower than my vector pedals. ......... with same drift as before.

Today i thought i would remove the plastic shroud and check out this belt tension. FYI - the rear tension screw does nothing unless you loosen the bolt holding the tension roller BTW. It also only is capable of increasing the tension, turning ccw will not loosen tension. (u must do this manually)

A geared timing belt shouldn't be overly tight and really won't stretch.........I eased the tension a tiny bit - disabled the PM function in the App and did my SS test workout.

HOLY CRAP - 75 mins Tempo with zero drift..........None. Will do more testing this week.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [gormleyflyer] [ In reply to ]
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Ok so I have read all 20 pages of this thread & like most users my Kickr also ready 30-40 watts higher than my quark. I read what Krispy put up but I want to get everything else updated before I adjust the belts etc. My Kickr was purchased 6 months ago.

I am no computer genius, ok with porn sites but struggle with technology sites.

How do I find out what version of Wahoo Fitness I have on my Ipad, how do I update it, I cant find the Wahooligan App anywhere, what is a firmware update & how do I do that.

To all you experts go easy on me
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [Toddy69] [ In reply to ]
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Toddy69 wrote:

I cant find the Wahooligan App anywhere,
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Toddy,

The Beta Wahooligan App is not currently available online. The folks at Wahoo Fitness who developed it wanted a select few Kickr users to beta test it while they were perfecting it for general release.

I accidentally found a discussion regarding the testing and posted a link to the discussion which included a link to the Wahooligan App here on Slowtwitch. Wahoo has subsequently pulled the link to the App but promises to release it to the general public once it's thoroughly tested.

Hugh

Genetics load the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [ In reply to ]
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I am not sure what was going on yesterday. Maybe someone could clue me in if they have found the same.

After doing a 90 minute TrainerRoad workout I thought I would check for any new firmware updates. When I open up the Wahoo Utility app I noticed that it was not picking up the BT signal from the Kickr, but evidently TrainerRoad must have because I went through all the intervals and the Quarq ELSA seemed to be in control going through the workout. Based on perceived effort everything felt about right and what I saw on the TR laptop display in watts compared to the raw Quarq data running on the Garmin Edge seemed to be about the same apart from screen lag between the two. In other words at the end of the workout I checked the basic metrics and AP / NP / TSS were the same on TrainerRoad as it was on the Edge 800.

Because the Wahoo Utility app was not picking up the Kickr I opened to the Wahooligan app beta it did not have the dot present on the screen display (not red or green. it just wasn't there) and it also did not pick up the Kickr when I looked at the sensor screen display on the phone. I unplugged the power cord for the Kickr for a minute and then plugged it back in. I opened the Wahoo Utility app and saw the Kickr available. I went to the Wahooligan beta and there was a red dot. I gave the Quarq a spin to wake it up and the dot turned green.

So it seemed as if the Wahoo Utility app not detecting the Kickr and the Wahooligan beta also not sensing the Kickr, the Quarq was in control during the session. It seems like the Quarq is now in full control even if the beta and the utility apps are not seeing the Kickr BT signal.

Anyone else find this to be true or do you think something else was going on?
I'm cool with this if that is the case since I now feel more confident having the Quarq in full control of the trainer's ERG mode with TrainerRoad.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [Felt_Rider] [ In reply to ]
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Felt_Rider wrote:
I am not sure what was going on yesterday. Maybe someone could clue me in if they have found the same.

After doing a 90 minute TrainerRoad workout I thought I would check for any new firmware updates. When I open up the Wahoo Utility app I noticed that it was not picking up the BT signal from the Kickr, but evidently TrainerRoad must have because I went through all the intervals and the Quarq ELSA seemed to be in control going through the workout. Based on perceived effort everything felt about right and what I saw on the TR laptop display in watts compared to the raw Quarq data running on the Garmin Edge seemed to be about the same apart from screen lag between the two. In other words at the end of the workout I checked the basic metrics and AP / NP / TSS were the same on TrainerRoad as it was on the Edge 800.

Because the Wahoo Utility app was not picking up the Kickr I opened to the Wahooligan app beta it did not have the dot present on the screen display (not red or green. it just wasn't there) and it also did not pick up the Kickr when I looked at the sensor screen display on the phone. I unplugged the power cord for the Kickr for a minute and then plugged it back in. I opened the Wahoo Utility app and saw the Kickr available. I went to the Wahooligan beta and there was a red dot. I gave the Quarq a spin to wake it up and the dot turned green.

So it seemed as if the Wahoo Utility app not detecting the Kickr and the Wahooligan beta also not sensing the Kickr, the Quarq was in control during the session. It seems like the Quarq is now in full control even if the beta and the utility apps are not seeing the Kickr BT signal.

Anyone else find this to be true or do you think something else was going on?
I'm cool with this if that is the case since I now feel more confident having the Quarq in full control of the trainer's ERG mode with TrainerRoad.

Set it and forget it.

I've setup a few KICKRS to use an external power meter, the KICKR remembers the Power Meter ID and does not need any apps once it is configured. At least this has been my experience.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [Felt_Rider] [ In reply to ]
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Felt_Rider wrote:
After doing a 90 minute TrainerRoad workout I thought I would check for any new firmware updates. When I open up the Wahoo Utility app I noticed that it was not picking up the BT signal from the Kickr, but evidently TrainerRoad must have because I went through all the intervals and the Quarq ELSA seemed to be in control going through the workout.
Felt_Rider wrote:
Because the Wahoo Utility app was not picking up the Kickr I opened to the Wahooligan app beta it did not have the dot present on the screen display (not red or green. it just wasn't there) and it also did not pick up the Kickr when I looked at the sensor screen display on the phone. I unplugged the power cord for the Kickr for a minute and then plugged it back in. I opened the Wahoo Utility app and saw the Kickr available. I went to the Wahooligan beta and there was a red dot. I gave the Quarq a spin to wake it up and the dot turned green.
Bluetooth does not work the same as ANT+. While a broadcasting ANT+ sensor can be picked up by multiple devices simultaneously, a Bluetooth connection can only be established to a single device and app at a time. To connect a second device/app to the KICKR by Bluetooth the first device/app must first be disconnected, and sometimes simply quitting an app may not be enough because the OS will still maintain the connection. Thus the need to reset the KICKR by powercycling.

Felt_Rider wrote:
So it seemed as if the Wahoo Utility app not detecting the Kickr and the Wahooligan beta also not sensing the Kickr, the Quarq was in control during the session. It seems like the Quarq is now in full control even if the beta and the utility apps are not seeing the Kickr BT signal.
Once properly setup, the connection between the KICKR and power meter is in no way dependent on the phone or app. The KICKR has it's own ANT+ hardware and reads the power meter directly.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [Mayhem] [ In reply to ]
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Set it and forget it.


Mayhem wrote:
Once properly setup, the connection between the KICKR and power meter is in no way dependent on the phone or app. The KICKR has it's own ANT+ hardware and reads the power meter directly.

Thanks to you both for adding clarity. It nice to know I can cut out an extra step or two that I was doing in the pre-workout setup.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [Mayhem] [ In reply to ]
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YOu 100% sure on this? I'm tempted to try this, but I really thought I needed the waooligan app up on my ipad to ensure that it was looking at the quarq to drive the right signal. But what you are telling me is that I shouldn't even need it on and teh power/IF recorded on TR (from the Kickr signal in my case) should match the data that I have in my Garmin from the Quarq.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [agreif] [ In reply to ]
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Out of curiosity, does anyone with an accurate kckr state what their spindown values are ?

And maybe those with inaccurate also.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [Mayhem] [ In reply to ]
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Mayhem wrote:
Once properly setup, the connection between the KICKR and power meter is in no way dependent on the phone or app. The KICKR has it's own ANT+ hardware and reads the power meter directly.
So I think you understand this better than most, but in my workout last night I tried to do the workout without the app loaded and was back to the same offset I've seen in the past. When I loaded the app the first time I even still had a problem, and you can see the offset from 2:00 to 10:00 when I restarted the Wahooligan workout and it mysteriously fixed itself. I wonder if you just have a Wahoo that's lining up so the beta app doesn't do much for you in terms of a offset correction.


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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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I got fresh instructions from Wahoo earlier in the week (I assume it's the same thing as was used by many before, just updated links), and do get to the point where Wahooligan app tells me Kickr is controlled by my Vectors. Awesome. Now how do I go about getting TR to control my Vectors to control my Kickr?

I'm using TR on my laptop (which has an ANT stick so it'll pick up cadence from Vectors as well; my phone doesn't have ANT+ sensor), and unless I shut down the Wahooligan app on my phone, TR won't pair up with Kickr. At that point Kickr isn't controlled by Vectors though:( If I pair up with TR first, I then can't find the sensor using Wahooligan app. I've tried leaving the Wahooligan app on and using the TR app on my phone, but that doesn't control the Kickr either... Is there something special I need to do to have Kickr controlled by Vectors in any other app than Wahooligan? Thanks!
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [agreif] [ In reply to ]
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agreif wrote:

I have also tried a couple times to run a workout without opening the Wahooligan app and in both cases I experienced problems. My routine is to open it before I start, establish the green dot, and then close it.

P.S. Why would you set TR to display power from the Kickr at all? I don't really care what the Kickr 'thinks' it's doing.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [cmeeks] [ In reply to ]
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cmeeks wrote:
agreif wrote:



I have also tried a couple times to run a workout without opening the Wahooligan app and in both cases I experienced problems. My routine is to open it before I start, establish the green dot, and then close it.

P.S. Why would you set TR to display power from the Kickr at all? I don't really care what the Kickr 'thinks' it's doing.

Just a thought, I always leave my KICKR plugged in and never touch the Wahooligan App on the phone, sometimes I dont even have it with me and the KICKR is connected to my Vectors. Now I went and did the same for my Father (He doesn't have the app) so I brought my phone over to his house and installed the beta firmware on the KICKR and told his KICKR to read my fathers Vector's. It worked for that one workout, now he unplugs his KICKR after he uses it and the next 2 rides his KICKR did not read his vectors and his KICKR was always about 15 watts higher then his vectors.

I wonder if by disconnecting power to the KICKR it is resetting the external PM ID and but opening the Wahooligan app it resyncs the external PM ID which is why some of you are seeing issues when not using the APP? Can you guys try leaving your KICKR powered on and see between rides if you need the app or not.

I'll let you guys know how my father makes out leaving his powered on. It would be damn nice if Wahoo could take the 2 damn seconds to answer these questions for us.

Cheers
Jeff
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [jmuise] [ In reply to ]
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I bet that's it. I always unplug after a ride.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [agreif] [ In reply to ]
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one thing I also wonder is if the calibration is affected when the unit is unplugged. I kept mine plugged in, but my wife must have unplugged it when she was cleaning the pain cave. My next workout seemed the readings were off.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [astig] [ In reply to ]
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astig wrote:
one thing I also wonder is if the calibration is affected when the unit is unplugged. I kept mine plugged in, but my wife must have unplugged it when she was cleaning the pain cave. My next workout seemed the readings were off.

Yep, I made the mistake the other day and unplugged mine because the Wahoo Utility app wasn't sensing the Kickr in BT. I should have not bothered doing that because Tuesday's workout was off even with the Quarq in control. It was a little better last night. The combination of the Quarq, TrainerRoad and Kickr was working fine until I unplugged it. I won't do that again.
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For those waiting patiently for power meter control.

I noticed a post elsewhere from Drew of Perfpro stating he now has power meter control of the Kickr working within PerfPro latest available download without the need of the Kickr Beta app. I use TrainerRoad so I don't know much about Perfpro other than I have heard equally good comments. I have seen other posts stating that Wahoo may release their Beta mid March.

I thought Nate mentioned adding this into TrainerRoad at some point.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [jmuise] [ In reply to ]
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Mine stays plugged in all day every day. Then again, I occasionally have issues with the beta working even if I open the Wahooligan app and get the green dot - at least with Trainer Road. If I manually adjust the erg resistance in the Wahooligan app, it always works.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [Krispy2014] [ In reply to ]
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I finally got around to going back to the laptop and ANT+ (was using the Iphone app and BT) to test KICKR vs SRM.

Now I see why you would want to display the actual SRM power instead of KICKR power. Much easier to see the discrepancy.

Did any easy workout today with KICKR control, but SRM being displayed.

Here are the results...



Clearly off by roughly 20-25 watts.

I think I am going to do the belt re-tensioning this week.

I looked today and was able to find the 5mm loosening hole... but could not get the 2mm allen into the opening to tension down the belt.. If anyone could post a pic or two of the cover removal and screw sites I would really appreciate. I won't remove the cover if I don't have to... but that 2mm hole was tough to find.
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Re: Controlling the Kickr via external power meter now possible [Donzo98] [ In reply to ]
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Cover is very easy to remove, there are a few very small phillips screws holding it. Your derailleur may block one of them.
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