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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [songmak] [ In reply to ]
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All your answers here :-)

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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [travis_lt] [ In reply to ]
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Well damn, thanks! The worst part is I remember reading this and saving it as favorite.
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [RobK] [ In reply to ]
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RobK wrote:
Avago wrote:
helle_f wrote:
Rob,

Should I base my participation in triathlon events on the political status and happenings of a country I would probably not find myself racing too often. I chose to focus solely on what I feel is good for the sport of triathlon. On that basis I feel it is right for me to have raced in Bahrain. I'll not go any further into this issue.


Congratulations on your recent successes and your future celebrations.

Re - Politics of the host nation - your response is perfect, and should once and for all, silence any critic of those that do chose to participate.


I really don't understand how anyone might think that. She doesn't the address the main issue at all: this isn't just a general politics issue, this is more specifically about the person bankrolling the event who is accused by multiple sources of being personally involved in torture of pro-democracy activists. This isn't simply like doing a race in Apartheid South Africa, it's like doing one organised by the security police and with the cheques presented by Hendrik Verwoerd and Eugene De Kock. You might like to contrast this response with, for example, the vitriol that's directed towards Brett Sutton every time his name is mentioned here: the crimes that Sheikh Nasser is accused of are at least of the same magnitude as Sutton's, far more recent and have gone unpunished. Secondly, simply avoiding these issues is a complete cop-out: from the response above I assume that she would be happy to race in Apartheid South Africa or North Korea. Not too nice really.

Of course, she's had a lovely time, been treated like a rock star, won the race and made a load of cash so it's going to be difficult for her to deal with that, so the easiest thing is just to produce a bland and fairly meaningless response and ignore the issue.

Rob

RobK,

why don't you just let it be.
helle_f has stated
I chose to focus solely on what I feel is good for the sport of triathlon. On that basis I feel it is right for me to have raced in Bahrain. I'll not go any further into this issue.

You can chose to go to Bahrain or not go to Bahrain... entirely your call.
Just as I can chose to go to China or Qatar or Azerbaijan for my work or sport or whatever - we all make our own choices...
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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helle_f wrote:
I've swam since the age of 5. At the age of 11 I started swimming competitively. Since the age of 12 I was on the national team until the age of 18. I swam in the European Junior Champs twice, became Danish Junior Champion 4 times. I was a short specialist specialist by the end of my swimming career. Most notable times 58" on 100 SCM freestyle, 2'04" on 200 SCM freestyle, 4'54" on 400 SCM medley.

Very nice, I too swam my first 25 at age 5, one of my earliest concrete memories. Nice times for sure. Thanks much for this info:)

One other Q: have you had any bad bike wrecks??? IMO, they are truly the unspoken issue of triathlon training and competition, espec if you keep riding 7000-8000 mi/yr outside every yr for many yrs in a row.

Cheers,

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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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jonnyo wrote:
Jordan45 wrote:
Coach Joe,

Congrats on a great result! To be completely honest, I'd never heard of you before reading this thread, looks like you have some pretty impressive results lately.

My question is, how do you think you stack up as a coach against the best pro coaches in our sport, Matt Dixon, Mark Allen, Jesse Kropenick, etc?

Thanks in advance, love it that you guys are out here answering questions from us common folk!



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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [travis_lt] [ In reply to ]
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travis_lt wrote:
All your answers here :-)
http://joelfilliol.blogspot.com/...this-blog-is-is.html

I think Joel saved the best for last in his "bonus" 21st rule:

Bonus: Love swimming if you want to get faster. Embrace the process of getting faster in the water. Chlorine sweat is a good thing.

Very few tri-guys/girls ever learn to love swimming, and hence very few learn swim really well:)


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [Avago] [ In reply to ]
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Errrr I was letting it be. You seem to be the one who keeps bringing it up, I just replied to your message.
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [songmak] [ In reply to ]
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songmak - different model with swimming - especially for those without a swim background - we create many opportunities for quality swimming - every day has steady, strength, building, descending opportunities - very little fluff - long main sets, lots of steady and strength swimming. We use the swim tools to pattern good technical swimming, and repeat to get strong. Many are athletes are on here looking for some easier way with swimming, but there isn't one. More frequency, more volume, less traditional stuff, more repetition. This article captures my approach: http://joelfilliol.blogspot.com/2012/01/most-popular-post-on-this-blog-is-is.html






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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Bad bike wrecks, where do we start. Actually as you write it is an unspoken part of triathlon training and competition. Who I am today as an athlete and racer has in some part been shaped by my horrendous experience and encounters of bike crashes. Thankfully for a number of years I have managed to avoid any significant happenings on the bike. That said during my ITU years I was involved in a number of crashes, primarily in races that actually left a psychological stamp. From 2008 to 2012 I had been involved in (< Blue suit, getting feet out). I have scars in my neck from chainring teeth, received minor plastic surgery to my forehead and lip, encountered a discus prolapse as a result of crashes and poor post crash management. In January of 2012, with Olympic qualification yet to be secured, Ben and I were hit from behind taking us both down. Ben took the brunt of that crash breaking his elbow but we were both incredibly lucky to walk away from that.

Here's some articles covering more on bike related crashes:

Realizing A Dream Pt. 1
A Month Of Defeats


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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Ouchy! That was you in the swimsuit, right? I take it there was some serious road rash from that, looks like you took a good slide.

Q - out of the current crop of best male/female ITU racers on the circuit right now, who do you see as having the greatest potential in non-drafting and middle/full distance? Obviously we have seen success from Frodeno and Gomez in the mens', and recently Nicola Spirig representing the ladies successfully at Cozumel. Who else have you got your eye on?!

ETA: and yourself, obviously! Really bad manners there, naughty knighty76...
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [Joel Filliol] [ In reply to ]
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Joel, thanks for your contribution on this thread. I like the simplicity of your approach, it matches the simplicity of my brain.

A slightly off topic yet important Question. What the heck is on this TV screen, is there some kind of strange conditioning going on here?!...

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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [knighty76] [ In reply to ]
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knighty76 - ha, I didn't notice that - it's at the gym at the Noosa Australia pool - I like your conditioning theory so let's go with that ;-)


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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Jodie twitted this. Your post race interview with Jodie and Rachel was really good. I am sure some of the readers of this thread will enjoy it.


http://www.witsup.com/...tter-with-the-top-3/


What did Tim Don do to cut the interview ?
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Just the mental toughness alone to pound out 30x100, 40x100 or 50x100 is impressive. It makes a IM swim seem like a walk in the park. My High School swim team, looking back, is still some of the hardest training I've ever done in my life. Not sure I could do that now... not without 30 other guys in the pool with me, pushing me.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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I enjoyed doing this interview, to have the three podium girls there like this was great. Also I think Jodie and Rachel put a full stop on any doubt by fellow competitors on whether or not I deserved to win that race ;)

Tim Don being Tim Don totally pranked us into thinking the camera was not recording. He slowly approached and mimed "it's not recording", he clearly knew it was.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Erik, I know you enjoy swimming and so do most of us. I do find your statement about very few tri guys learning to love swimming being somewhat patronizing. First of all you don't have any data to back this up. Second point, it is true that many age groupers swim less than one might want to or need to for optimal performance, but this is driven by many factors none of which have any correlation with how much we may love swimming (or not).

1. Basic access to a pool. For around 30 weeks per year, I can't get to a pool during week days (just an example).

2. Time overhead. For many a 40 min swim may involve a 60 min commute. Tradeoff is a 110 min bike or run block in that window and which might have a larger impact on results.

3. Pool hours. Bike and run you can do whenever. Swimming people are restricted by hours their pool is open and work and family often get in the way....easier to bike or run when life gets out of the way.

4. No access to clean water....this is not a first world issue, but the sport is larger than rich countries only.

By the way, I really enjoy swimming a lot and finally after 14 years of waiting I have an easily accessible rec center with 3 lanes open from 6 am to 9 pm minus 4-7 pm, so I essentially have infinite access whenever I am at home and it is awesome. But when pool access is not that easy, it is much easier to access running or biking. Age group racing has always been about sub optimal tradeoffs and doing cost benefit...not always about doing what we may love more or less. Most of us love all three believe it or not...seriously if you don't love all three why would anyone do this as a hobby that we don't get paid for.

Helle and the pros, sometimes they must do workouts-travel-family sacrifice, personal social sacrifice and other items that they don't love doing to be successful, but that is what we all do in our professional lives to optimize professional outcomes...but age groupers, I doubt that most hate any of the three sports and largely love/enjoy all three. If you are in the sport for any length of time that's basically a requirement to keep doing it.
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [knighty76] [ In reply to ]
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Yes that was me in the swimsuit. It hurt a little.

Great question with current crop of ITU athletes. If we think of those athletes that have been on the fringe of switching to non-draft/longer distance for some time I think Moffy (Emma Moffat) would excel at the distance. I think Moffy is the one stand out for me at least that would be able to move the bar of middle distance racing, as a few others already are, if she found the right training and lifestyle formula to match it. As for the men, there is no one person that stands out to me really. It really isn't an easy jump to make. I think Jodie Stimpson, when her Olympic ambitions are fulfilled could be quite dangerous.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
I do find your statement about very few tri guys learning to love swimming being somewhat patronizing. First of all you don't have any data to back this up.

But it's true.

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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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helle_f wrote:
Yes that was me in the swimsuit. It hurt a little.

Great question with current crop of ITU athletes. If we think of those athletes that have been on the fringe of switching to non-draft/longer distance for some time I think Moffy (Emma Moffat) would excel at the distance. I think Moffy is the one stand out for me at least that would be able to move the bar of middle distance racing, as a few others already are, if she found the right training and lifestyle formula to match it. As for the men, there is no one person that stands out to me really. It really isn't an easy jump to make. I think Jodie Stimpson, when her Olympic ambitions are fulfilled could be quite dangerous.

By the way related to this and my earlier question about physiology. My feeling is that to be a good ITU athlete you need a slightly different fasrt twitch composition in muscle fiber to deal with the swim start, the surges on the bike and the sprint finish. This is kind of why I asked you that question because I'm guessing as a fan more than anything that you might have more slow twitch (muscle fiber not website) than the other girls.

Look at Mo Farah who closed the 5000m in London with a 53 second 400m. That same fast twitch that allows him to close hurts him at the marathon where he ran a "slow" 2:08 (all relative). Observing from far away, Gomez has never been the guys surging and sprinting for the win...a perfect example is his 4th place in Beijing being de coupled by Frodo-Whitfield-Docherty. His Silver in London was done as a diesel as was his win in Mont Tremblant this year. I don't follow ITU women enough to observe who is that girl today who lacks a bit of fast twitch for ITU type racing but that lack might be an asset over steady half and full IM racing...do you think that person is you for now. I think Chrissy Wellington was an extreme in that camp with a giant engine and work ethic who could lock it into a super high aerobic pace and drill that all day. Chrissie did not do much in her brief appearances in draft legal races.

I see IM vs ITU as very similar to marathon vs 5000m and certainly when the 5000m starts slow and ends literally close to world class 800m speed. Another example we can give is Craig Alexander...did not make the Aussie Olympic team, but look what he did at half-full IM racing. It's not that IM has less talented athletes/deep fields, it just rewards a slightly different physiology
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Plus I'd be willing to bet most of those on here who love swimming might not be as into biking or running. While I agree that you have to really immerse yourself for improvement I don't think there's any guarantee of ever learning to love it. Also those such as Eric who love it likely grew up doing it and always had it as part of their life rather than having made some conscious choice to love it.
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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Daniela Ryf?

As for the swim debate, for us age groupers it is clearly a time invested vs benefit question rather than anything else. As example I swim maybe 1.5h a week and I lose to top pros maybe 5 min on half distance, but 20 min in biking and run, clearly my time is better spend running and biking than swimming.

I always thought the crazy swim amounts of pro's is just the time left over once you've done all the running and biking the body can handle? Ans maybe some race dynamics reasons
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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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Due to this thread, I kinda have a crush on both Helle and Joel...






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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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PATRONIZING??? You have got to be joking. At least 1/4 of the swim-related posts on this forum have some reference to how much the poster despises the swim and how he/she only swims to "get to my bike". I think it is abundantly clear to anyone with an open mind that most ST-ers actually hate the swim and only do it so that they can call themselves triathletes. Perhaps 10% of ST like swimming, and maybe 1% truly love swimming, as in they'd rather swim than do any other sort of sporting activity.

As to access to a pool, that's just another excuse. Choose where you live more carefully.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [markko] [ In reply to ]
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Yes for sure Daniela, but I consider Daniela already fully switched. Daniela is, based on her performances at Wiesbaden and Mont-Tremblant, the standard.

The crazy swim amounts of pros is a necessity. The Bahrain race, the Mont-Tremblant race were all setup in the swim. If you want to compete at the highest end of non-draft/middle distance the swim commitment can't be a 'left over' after biking and running.


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Re: Winning Challenge Bahrain and non-draft success - AUA [helle_f] [ In reply to ]
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Gratulerer saa meget Helle og God Jul :-)

It was fun to watch you release some Danish Viking power in the desert. Impressive performance.
It looks like Denmark is really stepping up in the non draft triathlon world these days lead by strong women.

Is it frustrating for you athletes to watch other endurance sports getting attention in Europa and on Eurosport and local TV, almost always live. While the coverage from non draft triathlon is not present at all.
Long distance triathlon is a lot more fun than to watch the European championship in 10,000 speed skating so it is not the sport that is boring by itself.
Do you think Challenge now with Bahrain and Dubai/Oman will help with giving you elite athletes a media platform?

Go Danish Dynamite
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