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Re: Brett Sutton Article [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Jordan, first of all, I am glad that we can all actually have a grown up discussion on this thread (unlike some other threads about number 7 that go where number 7 threads go) and as you said, agree on some points and respectfully disagree on others.

My thought is that as a coach, you are entrusted with the large responsibility, be it of minors or of adults. Many of us are saying that Sutton relinquishes his privilege of being a coach (across the board), when he violated the trust that his athletes (and their parents) place in him. At least the authorities in question in Australia have also agreed with many of us and have barred him from coaching there (from what I understand). Sutton has chosen to circumvent that and establish shop in the likes of Switzerland, the Philippines and Korea (may have in other place too).

As I said, I have the same difficulty accepting him practicing coaching as I would of a doctor/psychologist/teacher who did the same things he did and return to their professions...even if they only practiced medicine, psychology or teaching of grown adults, I'd still have difficulty if someone was banned from practicing those professions in Australia and circumvented it by setting up shop in Switzerland, Philippines or Korea.

I don't have a daughter and like you only have a son. But I coach teenagers of both sexes. I know the responsibility I have to their parents. Those parents are relying on me to make their kids better humans in addition to better athletes. That is what they should expect of every coach. When you violate that trust, as Australia has done, you should lose the privilege to coach. It is one of the first things covered in Canada's NCCP Introduction to Community Coaching Module.

My comments are exclusively related to Sutton coaching. I hold no ill will towards any Team TBB athlete, because I am a commentator from far, judging the scenario based only on what I have read. I respect many team TBB athletes and them working with Sutton does not change my views on Sutton coaching but at the same time, it does not change the respect I have of these athletes in many other domains of their life. They were privy to many more details than us in the public fan base when they chose to align themselves with Team TBB. Like you said, shades of grey, not all white, not all black.

Anyway, in summary we agree on him not being able to coach minors. We disagree with him being able to coach adults. He could still stay involved in many ways in the sport without coaching nor having to be a laborer (as realAlbertan was saying).
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Re: Brett Sutton Article [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I have daughters. I will not go into the details of what happened with one of them and a coach. What I can say is that I will never forget and will never forgive. Ever.
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Re: Brett Sutton Article [Mad Jee] [ In reply to ]
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I've read both that he has been banned for life from coaching in Australia and also that he received a 3-year ban there - not sure.
He was reportedly escorted out of a race in Japan.
He would be unable to obtain a work permit in some countries (convicted child molesters are not warmly welcomed); indeed he was to teach young triathletes in the U.K. in 2005 but had to cancel.

Even were one against a ban, there is a chasm between that and promoting his coaching.

Excerpt from http://www.mako.org.au/brett_sutton1.html
CONTROVERSIAL Queensland triathlon coach Brett Sutton has been barred from conducting planned workshops with young triathletes in England because he is a convicted sex offender.
Sutton was due to run a weekend camp at Torquay in April with some of Britain's most promising young triathletes, but officials intervened to stop him attending.
The 12 participants had paid about $A500 each to attend.
Sutton pleaded guilty in 1999 in the Southport District Court on the Gold Coast to sexually abusing a 13-year-old five times, dating back 12 years, while he was her swimming coach in Brisbane.
He was sacked by Triathlon Australia and is now based in Switzerland.

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Re: Brett Sutton Article [caf0] [ In reply to ]
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I cannot understand Jordan's comment "How do you even enforce a ban?"

It just seems so contrary to what I would have expected his opinion to be. So it's gone from a full defense of Sutton being able to coach to "Well, even if you're right, I don't know that it's possible."

We can at least try, right? A simple step would be that any athlete associated with him would also be banned, that would be a pretty simple way to enforce a ban. I've disagreed with Jordan throughout this whole thread, but on this specific aspect, it's not just disagreement on a value position, he simply me thinking "WTF?".



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Re: Brett Sutton Article [Mad Jee] [ In reply to ]
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I have the same WTF reactions like you.

If Jerry Sandusky were to write a football/linebacker coaching book with great advice, how would we feel about other coaches and NFL players tweeting out those advice and give credit to Sandusky for such advice? Every time that you attribute something positive from Sutton, you one way or another are supporting him. You are validating him. Such validations should not be placed on someone who has molested a kid, let alone more than once. There are many of other great coaches out there that you can quote from.

Evidently he doesn't think much about staying away from coaching kids because he tried to coach kids again at a clinic in England 6 years AFTER, I repeat ... AFTER pleading guilty to molesting a kid. How would we feel about an 8th-9th grade teacher attempting to teach 8th-9th grade kids again 6 AFTERS pleading guilty to molesting one of his students.


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Re: Brett Sutton Article [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Now, if you are asking me if Sutton should be barred from coaching minors? Yes I do. And - as far as I know - he does not coach any minors. His article on kids' sports was based on his own children. Do I think that he should have been barred from having children? Even though I mean that as a rhetorical question, I'll actually answer it and say I don't.

What most in this thread seem to be implying is that Sutton should be banned from having OPINIONS.

Can we not separate the information in the article from our emotional responses to the person who wrote it?
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Re: Brett Sutton Article [Mad Jee] [ In reply to ]
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That Obama fine analogy is BS, for a variety of reasons. Addressing the aspect of it being the largest ever, well his campaign also raised the most money ever, and other campaigns have received similar fines when you consider the actual size of the respective campaigns and the amounts raised. I figured we could dismiss that right away and then either move it to the LR for further discussion or just drop it altogether, I am fine with either.

With regards to this line you keep repeating about it being hard to ban someone from coaching, so just because it's hard means we shouldn't do it? To swing back to a political analogy, that's like saying "Ah, there is no easy answer to stop this gun violence, so let's just do nothing".

I could be wrong, but isn't Sutton banned from coaching in Australia? I am almost certain there is a ban on him coaching somewhere, so some federation has figured it out. Going back to my original analogy, let's say an LA cop is dismissed from the force for police brutality, would you then be OK with him joining the NYPD? Even though he violated the most basic trust of his position of authority?

I could have picked a better politics analogy, certainly. That was just the first that came to mind. We can dismiss it or move it. Whatever...

I think either you misunderstand my point on the ban or I did a poor job wording it or both.

Pursuant to your cop question. If the guy is banned from LAPD for excessive force, am I okay with him joining the NYPD as a clerk? I dunno. I'm not saying that's a direct analogy, since Sutton is in a very similar role, except for not coaching minors.

So there's the question I think of:
- should he banned from coaching minors?
- should he banned from coaching entirely?
- how do we define what it means to be a coach?

I certainly don't mean that we should do nothing. Let's take Milken, as an example. He's banned by the SEC from "any involvement in the securities industry." Now, does that mean he can't offer advice to someone on what stocks to buy? To sell?

That's part of my problem with bans, in general, of any kind. Where do you draw the line? I actually think this is a more interesting discussion in a lot of ways than even whether or not someone should be banned. What does a ban really mean? What if an athlete asks Sutton for advice over email? Is that coaching?

I don't see why my stance is so "WTF." I'm saying, "okay, let's talk about what you believe should be done. How does that work?"

I don't see why it's so absurd in your opinion that I think Brett should be allowed to coach both because I think he is not coaching minors, and because he admitted wrongdoing and is working - in my opinion anyway - to redeem himself, and because trying to actually enact a ban on something like coaching is too nebulous to be meaningful. My opinion is the result of all of those things. Why should it be the result of just one?

To swing back to that same political analogy, I'd say, "there's no easy to stop this gun violence, so that's not do something that is knee-jerk and seems 'right' - like the 90s assault weapon ban, which statistically had basically zero actual effect on gun violence."

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Re: Brett Sutton Article [TravisT] [ In reply to ]
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Going to say the same thing to you Ben I did to Tribeer. Can you seriously not find enough LA action elsewhere that you have to hijack every thread that might be remotely related?


I responded to the point made, that's all. Further, Im not close to the only one making that comparison, you had a long conversation with Jordan about it, and he did it too. You're being a dick. My stuff on Sutton was the primary point of my post.
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Re: Brett Sutton Article [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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USADA has banned 3 coaches (likely 4 in the near future).
What are the rules regarding such bans?
I would guess pro athletes risk sanctions for seeking professional advice from banned individuals, possibly only if some form of payment is made.
But perhaps the ban has few teeth.

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That's part of my problem with bans, in general, of any kind. Where do you draw the line? I actually think this is a more interesting discussion in a lot of ways than even whether or not someone should be banned. What does a ban really mean? What if an athlete asks Sutton for advice over email? Is that coaching?
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Re: Brett Sutton Article [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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That's part of my problem with bans, in general, of any kind. Where do you draw the line? I actually think this is a more interesting discussion in a lot of ways than even whether or not someone should be banned. What does a ban really mean? What if an athlete asks Sutton for advice over email? Is that coaching?


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I think what is almost as important is how the community responds, regardless of actual sanctions and this can be applied to just about any controversial issue. Based on the feedback on here, there are some that are willing to overlook his past transgressions, and there are others that cant overlook that.

In terms of drawing the line, there is never really ever a hard line in anything. Someone can usually find a way around just about any decision (IE, your example about getting "coaching" from emails).

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Re: Brett Sutton Article [BDoughtie] [ In reply to ]
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In many countries coaches, particularly of children, have to be certified, so banning in those countries means you can't get hired, or volunteer as a coach. In mst other places a federation can ban a coach, but that just means he can't work for the federation or member in an official capacity.

I wouldn't be against coaches being licensed in some way, but thats pretty much a state by state or country by country type of thing.

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Re: Brett Sutton Article [styrrell] [ In reply to ]
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For an already established coach, those regulations dont really matter though. It's as you say, being "banned" only means you cant basically be an representative of said country or get any of their benefits. Hell, look at how many top athletes have flocked to Sutton after all of this. We have pro's on this thread already saying they've pretty much ok'd/accepted/forgiven what has happened to Sutton's past, because they could gain athletic achievement under him. ETA: And I'm not saying that's wrong, it's pretty much a personal decision that each has to face.

I dont think any country makes coaches be certified, whether working with kids or not. I know of several coaches in my area (Raleigh) that work with and hold kid triathlon camps/races that arent certified with anyone (nor will they ever be).

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Re: Brett Sutton Article [BDoughtie] [ In reply to ]
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BDoughtie wrote:
For an already established coach, those regulations dont really matter though. It's as you say, being "banned" only means you cant basically be an representative of said country or get any of their benefits. Hell, look at how many top athletes have flocked to Sutton after all of this. We have pro's on this thread already saying they've pretty much ok'd/accepted/forgiven what has happened to Sutton's past, because they could gain athletic achievement under him. ETA: And I'm not saying that's wrong, it's pretty much a personal decision that each has to face.

I dont think any country makes coaches be certified, whether working with kids or not. I know of several coaches in my area (Raleigh) that work with and hold kid triathlon camps/races that arent certified with anyone (nor will they ever be).


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In Australia you need a "Blue Card" which is a government issued card allowing a person to work with children across the board.They do all the background checks and if you don't pass those then no Blue Card and no working with kids..

www.ccypcg.qld.gov.au/bluecard/index.html

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Re: Brett Sutton Article [zoom] [ In reply to ]
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Along a similar line...

How do we feel about Roman Polanski? And actors who have worked with him? And directors who give him public credit?

Cuts out a lot of movies to watch while riding indoors...
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Re: Brett Sutton Article [MDD1997] [ In reply to ]
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MDD1997 wrote:
Along a similar line...

How do we feel about Roman Polanski? And actors who have worked with him? And directors who give him public credit?

Cuts out a lot of movies to watch while riding indoors...


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How do we feel about the Catholic Church and everyone who still attends knowing of the child molestation that is prevalent among the priests?

How do we feel about soldiers who rape and kill women and children and those who still support them?

We could have quite a list that will include all of us in one way or another..

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Re: Brett Sutton Article [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Man, I start a thread on an interesting topic and what I think was a very brave venture for an elite AG'er and look how this thread turns! Back to my original post and point....lol
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Re: Brett Sutton Article [bcagle25] [ In reply to ]
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Mention Sutton and the baggage comes with it. Don't want the baggage, don't bring him up.

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Re: Brett Sutton Article [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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"To Ironpsych, it might be unfair to just pick on Brandon here as he is one of many athletes and is kind enough to actually come here to ST and post on many topics. Many pro athletes much more prominent than him have entrusted their development as adult professionals to Sutton. We can name Caroline Steffen and Chrissie Wellington among that top tier. Going back a decade Siri Lindley and Loretta Harrop (if I recall correctly). Do all criminals in society deserve a second chance to reform themselves? I think the answer is yes. "

I actually don't have a problem with people who are coached by Sutton. People are adults and can choose whom they want to associate with. I was responding to Marsh's post which seemed very "wishy washy" about Sutton's past behavior.

"I don't know how I feel about him", etc. While at the same time extolling his virtues as a coach and seeming to tacitly defend/minimize his past activity. Although he did consider it a crime. This is what I was responding to.

I am all about bringing some balance to threads that have historically been black and white. Although have a more emotional connection to this thread which may have influenced my reply to Brandon.

But compare his post to Jordan's post in which he clearly stated his distaste for Sutton's past behavior. Although, then thinks he's the most wonderful coach in triathlon (my wording). Unclear, where that sentiment comes from. I am now wondering how I am going to feel when I see HIS results. I hope (pray?) that he will be able to come up with a good defense.

Again, I do not have a problem with TBB members per se, but if you sign up for that then you have to know that you will catch flack. And Brandon's noodle handshake of a post was very disappointing. And when you make your living from sponsors and coaching dollars you either need to be very clear where you stand on controversial issues or not say anything. Strictly from a PR point of view. I think he did more harm to his reputation than good. That was the gist of my (attempt to be funny) post. I have a pro as a coach and if he came on line supporting things I thought where B.S. Then... no more dineros from me.

And from a general PR standpoint (Jordan did a much better job than Brandon) you do not want to be associated with defending a child molester. Bad for your sponsor, bad for coaching people. Jordan may have fallen into this as well but... he's a much more successful athlete than Brandon and people may give him more wiggle room. No offense Brandon.

Which brings me to my next point. The only reason that Sutton is still coaching is because he is very good. A small town swimming coach who bangs a 14 y.o... Prison. No coaching ever again. Pariah in the regional and state world.

Successful people get more of a pass than "regular" people. Which allowed Sandusky to continue to operate for so many more years (absolutely not comparing. Apples and Oranges)

To expand this conversation to a much broader platform. I think that the posters on this thread who seem to "gloss over" Sutton's "indiscretion" with the "consensual" attitude are just continuing an undercurrent of misogyny that (although has improved) is still rampant in our society (and Australia).

Imagine if Sutton was gay. Nothing wrong with that. And then imagine if he had molested a 14 y.o. gay male. Imagine if he had been prosecuted for molesting a 14 y.o. male during "consensual" sex. Do you think he would be coaching at all? Likely not. Or imagine if a 27 y.o. female coach had "consensual" sex with a 14 y.o. boy. Do you think that she would be coaching? Don't think so.

But it happened to a 14 y.o. "Lolita" who seduced a 27 y.o. male coach. Of course she got what she wanted. The "Red Dress" defense.

"Oh, that..." Let's move on. He's a great guy. Done a lot for the sport. Why dwell on the past?"

Vs. "I can't believe he raped that little boy. He was only what? 14. What a horrible person. I hope he never coaches again. "

25% of American women have been molested as children. Not necessarily penetrated and raped but have had an adult male touch them inappropriately or "more". When we overlook or trivialize their experience we contribute to the the perpetual cycle of abuse.

Sutton did what lots of Uncles and Fathers and Grandfathers have done. Yet we somehow we think that because he is "contributing" and is full of "wisdom" about triathlon that this should be overlooked.

"My grandfather only molested my once. He's a great guy!"

Would we overlook the lawyer who screwed his 14 y.o. daughter (only once) because he is a damn good lawyer? I don't think so. Maybe?

I have a very personal connection to this topic. Not only do I deal with this sort of stuff on a routine basis as a professional but I was also faced with a similar situation.

When I was 23 and working at a company, one of the bosses daughters interned over the summer to earn a little extra $$. Somehow she got hooked up with someone in our circle and started hanging out with us. It was kinda cute, we would by her drinks and have fun, etc. As the summer went on, her and I started flirting (innocently) and spent some time alone. One night we all went out and got loaded and somehow she wound up back at my place. She was very cute (and from my point of view open to "persuasion") and I definitely had some thoughts about what might transpire. We both slept in my bed and... nothing happened.

Why? Because even as a drunk 23 y.o. I knew that a 16 y.o. female was an "inappropriate" sexual partner!!!!!!!!

Now does that make me a better man than Sutton? I don't know. But what I do know is that it didn't happen.

My wife, when discussing this topic, simply said... "What 27 y.o. doesn't have other opportunities? He must be a weirdo if he couldn't hook up with someone his own age." She's not an athlete (just a very understanding triathlete spouse). But I thought that made a lot of sense.

Jordan, you have used the word "forgive" in your posts about Sutton. But you can never "forgive" but people do "overlook", which is what athletes that work with Sutton do. They overlook his past to further their careers. That's business and that's the world. And I'm O.K. with that.

But just like the Grandpa who sullied his 14 y.o. Granddaughter, Sutton should never be "forgiven". If people want to work with him then they need to take the knocks and not get all butt hurt when people come after them.

And from a PR stand point. Do not ever defend a child molester!!!! How many potential clients have you guys lost? (Personally, NOW, I would never sign up with you or Brandon). You have made your case and have hopefully weighed the outcomes of your support for Sutton. That's fine. You are professionals who make decisions based on your convictions. I respect that.

But I wonder how many people are going to respond to this emotionally laden topic with phone calls to your sponsors?

LA postings are very different. But child molester threads. Stay away!!!!

And I can't but wonder what its like for his female athletes to look up at him from the pool and not think "If I was 14 would he want to be with me"?
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Re: Brett Sutton Article [avagoyamug] [ In reply to ]
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"On balance I think he has done more good than harm on earth."

I find this hard to believe. Wow!

An adult man sexually molests a 14 y.o. girl.

And then coaches a bunch of triathletes to championships. So "He is alright in my book." Thumbs up!

Um, I hate to say this but TravisT may be right. You are one fucked up individual.

Do you have Asperger's by any chance? That would explain a lot of things.

Dude. I'm at a loss for words. Although, I really want to call you a bitch. But I'm not completely sure why.

Damn.
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f you somehow feel that LA's actions are worse then child molestation, and that is what it was despite some of the idiots who want to shade it grey on here, thenI have some serious issues with where you draw the line on right and wrong. Sure LA doped, he broke rules, probably caused some pain and suffering in the lives of others but for me that doesn't reach the level of what Sutton did.
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Coaches needs to be put on some kind of list blocking them for working with kids ever again. No second chances to do wrong again.
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Re: Brett Sutton Article [pran] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know why there is even room for discussion here. The scumbag raped a child repeatedly over years. End of story.

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ironpsych wrote:

"On balance I think he has done more good than harm on earth."

I find this hard to believe. Wow!

An adult man sexually molests a 14 y.o. girl.

And then coaches a bunch of triathletes to championships. So "He is alright in my book." Thumbs up!

Um, I hate to say this but TravisT may be right. You are one fucked up individual.

Do you have Asperger's by any chance? That would explain a lot of things.

Dude. I'm at a loss for words. Although, I really want to call you a bitch. But I'm not completely sure why.

Damn.

Just to add to the already disturbing things this guy writes, he is a triathlon "coach" and has a daughter.

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I could have picked a better politics analogy, certainly. That was just the first that came to mind. We can dismiss it or move it. Whatever...


I have no idea why you felt it was even remotely appropriate or comparable to make an analogy between campaign finance violations and sexual assault of a minor.

Pursuant to your cop question. If the guy is banned from LAPD for excessive force, am I okay with him joining the NYPD as a clerk? I dunno. I'm not saying that's a direct analogy, since Sutton is in a very similar role, except for not coaching minors.

Again, why are you choosing to make analogies that are not analogous? You even said, "I'm not saying that's a direct analogy", so then why are you making it? Sutton violated the trust of his position and is now maintaining that same position just before a different group. Let's make this analogy as simple as possible, let's say our LAPD cop sexually assaulted a minor during the course of an investigation, should be allowed to transfer to the NYPD as long as he doesn't work on any cases involving children?

- should he banned from coaching minors?

I think everyone agrees the answer here is yes.

- should he banned from coaching entirely?

I think yes, you seem to think no. He violated the trust of his position, he doesn't get to keep that position just because it's before a different audience.

- how do we define what it means to be a coach?


Here's where you have me saying, "WTF?" This seems pretty simple and it's seems like you are only making it difficult in order to make it seem like it would be hard to ban Sutton. If the sport doesn't force coaches to register and have a concrete definition of what they do, I think it would be pretty simple for a representative group of athletes, coaches and others to define this. You are very clear on who your coach is and who is not your coach, so you want to apply shades of gray to Sutton but seem not to have them with regards to your own coaching relationship.

I certainly don't mean that we should do nothing. Let's take Milken, as an example. He's banned by the SEC from "any involvement in the securities industry." Now, does that mean he can't offer advice to someone on what stocks to buy? To sell?


Sure, I'll concede we can't monitor advice Milken or Sutton give through conversations with friends or acquaintances, but we can ban them from acting in a professional capacity. The SEC has managed to do it with Milken, and I believe at least one national federation has done it with Sutton, I don't know why you are pretending it would be so hard for others to do the same.

That's part of my problem with bans, in general, of any kind. Where do you draw the line? I actually think this is a more interesting discussion in a lot of ways than even whether or not someone should be banned. What does a ban really mean? What if an athlete asks Sutton for advice over email? Is that coaching?


I don't know how I can make this clearer to you, I wish I saw it as being more complex so I could attempt to describe it differently. The fact that it seems so simple to me leaves me lacking another way to describe it to you. How does Lance's ban work? "What does a ban really man?" It means he's not allowed to race professionally, Lance can ride his bike and race his buddies to the stop sign, but he can't race professionally. I think banning Sutton from coaching could be similarly straightforward.

I don't see why my stance is so "WTF." I'm saying, "okay, let's talk about what you believe should be done. How does that work?"

Athletes found working with him in a professional capacity are sanctioned. Pretty simple and I think it would be very effective, do you disagree? You have me saying "WTF?" because you're acting like this would be hard and I think it is stunningly simple.

I don't see why it's so absurd in your opinion that I think Brett should be allowed to coach both because I think he is not coaching minors, and because he admitted wrongdoing and is working - in my opinion anyway - to redeem himself, and because trying to actually enact a ban on something like coaching is too nebulous to be meaningful. My opinion is the result of all of those things. Why should it be the result of just one?


Well, I guess we just have to agree to have a fundamental disagreement here which certainly changes my opinion of how I'll view what I read or hear coming from you in the future. I understand what you said earlier in the thread about second chances, shades of gray, and your perspective having changed since your accident. I'll take the other view, there are enough smart, interesting, and valuable things to learn from more people than I have time to read or listen to. Basically, there is more valuable content than I have time to consume, I don't need to add to that with content from someone with a history such as Sutton.



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I'm with you, it doesn't seem complicated were there a will. There is precedence in USA sports for coaches to receive lifetime bans based on the same type offense. How many athletes would want to take the PR hit of using a coach banned for child molestation, particularly if they risk sanctions themselves?

USA Swimming has banned 46 (as of 2010) coaches for life, most for sexual misconduct: http://sports.espn.go.com/...ews/story?id=5220940

USA Track and Field has banned coaches for sexual offenses against minors.

USA Triathlon has rules in place that might also be used, although I think it would be far better if they created new language to specifically address the issue:

3.8 Acts Warranting Suspension.
j. Any act which disgraces or brings discredit to the sport of triathlon.

3.12 Acts of Agents.
The conduct of any agent acting with apparent authority on behalf of a participant shall constitute grounds for penalizing such participant if such agent's conduct violates any of these Rules.

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you wrote

"it was a failure of morality"

ok

a temporary one that deserves forgiveness, or a seminal character flaw that deserves eternal damnation?

just one or the other - there IS no grey area


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