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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [xavigon] [ In reply to ]
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My thoughts exactly, I am a cervelo 54 p3/4 fit as well, I am ok on the nosecone shiv but I think that without a seriously negative stem ie ergostem I won't fit the new shiv, and to my mind that isn't a true fitting bike plus I don't want to cart half a pound of stem around.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [xavigon] [ In reply to ]
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Same here. I like to ride long and low. I think the reach on the Medium is too short, but the stack on the large is HUGE.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [applenutt] [ In reply to ]
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The stack of the medium is huge, over 1cm more than the large Transition and that's a tall frame.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [curly] [ In reply to ]
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True.

I was very excited to see the pricing for this new bike, but the sizing is a bummer.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [applenutt] [ In reply to ]
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Yes not good for us but from how I have seen a lot of bikes setup on here it will be ideal for a lot of them. I think that the range of features and pricepoints will take some beating.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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CAnderson_SBC wrote:
Hey Everyone,
My name is Clayton Anderson and I'm the Community and Social Media Specialist here at Specialized. As many of you have seen, We have introduced a new bike today at Kona, S-Works Shiv. I would like to extend my help with any questions that you may have. I will answer as many as I can and will be more than happy to get the information from our engineers and designers if needed.

Hi Clayton,

I got to test ride the new Shiv while in Kona, and I have to say that it was a sweet ride! While upgrading my Transition Pro is not in the cards just yet (I think a divorce might ensue), I really liked the saddle that was on the bike and figured I could at the very least afford that upgrade. I think that the demo bikes all had the Romin Evo Pro saddle - can you confirm this? Also, what are the differences between the various Romin Evo models, other than the composition of the rails? Do the rails make a difference in the feel of the saddle, or mostly just weight? I'm not really concerned about a few grams.

Thanks,
David.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [davidhoy] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

Sorry for my bad english, I'm french triathlete and it's my first reply...

Do you know if the Pro frameset can be used with shimano Di2 or if the Di2 is just available with S-works frameset ?

Thank you for your help.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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Nobody for answer me ? ;-(
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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On the Pro frame set only, the OSBB, will that accept any group- in other words, if I purchased a complete DA group off the rack, is that frame set set up to complete the build, or does there need to be some modification to the frame set?



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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The Pro has the same frame design as the S-works, so I don't see how the Pro wouldn't be compatible. However, if you already have D12, why not just by the S-Works frame module and use your current bike parts to complete the build?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Alex, Congrats on the new rig. The the Shiv TT shares the same Geo as the previous Nosecone bike. So if the medium looked a little long, the Small should do the trick.

I just had a few Aussies in my USA SBCU class last year, which shop are you working with?

As for the data on the S5 and Venge. We havn't been back to the wind tunnel with the S5 yet. Mark and the Engineering team have been working their butts off trying to get everything on the new Shiv ready.

We'll be back in the swing of testing soon, and be sure to share the aero data with you.

Cheers.




alexZA wrote:
Hi Mark,

I've just ordered a Shiv TT - are there any geo differences between the 2012 Shiv TT and the previous nosecone Shiv?

I've ordered a small on the advice of the dealer in Sydney. I'm 5'11". The dealer had a nosecone Shiv in the store in a medium and it looked quite big, hence the advice to go to a small. Also, I'll be doing some UCI-reg TTs so will need to get that saddle back behind the BB.

Also, do you have you run the Venge against the S5 yet? I'm currently torn between the two.

Thank very much.

Alex



Chris R.
Specialized Bicycle Components
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [davidhoy] [ In reply to ]
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Great David, glad you liked the bike.

The saddle speced on the bikes is indeed the Romin Evo.

Here is the breakdown for our saddles. The carbon rails are slightly stiffer and can be more durable over time. If you're planning on running the carbon rails you will need a set of "carbon rail hardware" for you existing seatpost. (http://www.specialized.com/...oduct.jsp?spid=64487)






davidhoy wrote:

I got to test ride the new Shiv while in Kona, and I have to say that it was a sweet ride! While upgrading my Transition Pro is not in the cards just yet (I think a divorce might ensue), I really liked the saddle that was on the bike and figured I could at the very least afford that upgrade. I think that the demo bikes all had the Romin Evo Pro saddle - can you confirm this? Also, what are the differences between the various Romin Evo models, other than the composition of the rails? Do the rails make a difference in the feel of the saddle, or mostly just weight? I'm not really concerned about a few grams.

Thanks,
David.




Chris R.
Specialized Bicycle Components
PR/Media Relations
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Nemo, All of the frames are compatible with internal Di2 cables.

Chris


Nemotri wrote:

Do you know if the Pro frameset can be used with shimano Di2 or if the Di2 is just available with S-works frameset ?

Thank you for your help.



Chris R.
Specialized Bicycle Components
PR/Media Relations
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for your answer.
Can you confirm that the capacity of the bladder is 20 oz ?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [OCD] [ In reply to ]
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Hey OCD,

The frame comes with a set of adapter that allow you to use any Shimano style cranks set.


Full, Dura-Ace... No problem.


OCD wrote:
On the Pro frame set only, the OSBB, will that accept any group- in other words, if I purchased a complete DA group off the rack, is that frame set set up to complete the build, or does there need to be some modification to the frame set?




Chris R.
Specialized Bicycle Components
PR/Media Relations
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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here you go Nemo,

CakeWalk wrote:
The bladder is 23oz for the M, L, and XL bikes, 20oz for the XS and S bikes.

In the original design meetings for the bike we all expected to see a 72oz bladder with 2 chambers so you could run nutrition and water inside the bike... As the development continued we realized there just isn't that much room inside the bike. The bladder in the production bike is limited by the joint connecting the front triangle and the BB section (OPBBCS). If you run the bladder over the joint there is friction that can over time rupture the system.


As we tested the hydration system in house we realized that by using the bladder as our main water supply and refilling it with a bottle placed on the bar or behind the seat we were able drink more frequently and stay in the aerobar more of the time.


As for the "sloshing" inside of the frame... there isn't any (I thought there would be too! but there just isn't) There isn't any sloshing for 2 reasons. First if you have ridden with a waterbottle on the frame, you have experienced more than you will from the bladder. Due to the narrow profile of the bladder it limits the amount of movement the liquid in the bottle can have (think about sloshing a beer stein and a champaign flute, liquid in the flute doesn't travel as far up the sides of the glass as the stein.) Second, as the water is removed from the bladder all of the volume isn't replaced with air. The weight of the liquid inside holds the bladder open, without the water inside, it collapses on itsself reducing the movement of the fluid inside.


Thanks werobert!


wsrobert wrote:
Does anyone know exact fluid amount?


Nemotri wrote:
Thank you for your answer.
Can you confirm that the capacity of the bladder is 20 oz ?



Chris R.
Specialized Bicycle Components
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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Nemotri wrote:
Thank you for your answer.
Can you confirm that the capacity of the bladder is 20 oz ?

This was already covered in this thread:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...post=3566153#3566153

23 oz or 20 oz depending on size.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [xavigon] [ In reply to ]
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xavigon wrote:
I have doubts with the size of the Shiv:

My actual P4 S54: reach 41.9 stack 49.8

Shiv medium: R 40.5 S 54
Shiv long: R 42.5 S: 56.5

what size is best for my???

thanks

I'm lost :-) M or L??
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Are there any wheel restrictions? All Zipp, all SRAM, etc?

SM



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [OCD] [ In reply to ]
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forgive me, this has probably already been asked...

but,
is there any difference in the carbon lay up (like stiffness in the bottom bracket area, etc) between the pro and comp models. I'm weighing the differences between just the pro frame or the rival comp version. i understand the sworks is different (better) carbon - but i want to know the differences in the lesser models.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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odin99 wrote:
forgive me, this has probably already been asked...

but,
is there any difference in the carbon lay up (like stiffness in the bottom bracket area, etc) between the pro and comp models. I'm weighing the differences between just the pro frame or the rival comp version. i understand the sworks is different (better) carbon - but i want to know the differences in the lesser models.

I'm no authority on this matter, but based on Specialized's published info (http://www.specialized.com/...1101&scname=Road) the Pro, Expert and Comp frames all use the same carbon lay-up (FACT 10r).

The S-Works version uses 11r.

10r was essentially the top-of-the-line lay-up from one or two seasons ago. (My 2011 Tarmac SL3 is 11r, so at a minimum it was on top bikes released last summer.)

I'd wager that in a year or two the S-Works model will get the then-latest carbon lay-up and the 11r will trickle down.

If you are tuned into their road bikes, 10r was used on the Tarmac SL2. The SL3 is stiffer and lighter than the SL2 (if you search I am sure there are charts to quantify this). The SL4 uses the same lay-up as the SL3 yet is still stiffer & lighter, so I would not fret about 10r vs 11r in the real world.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [tetonrider] [ In reply to ]
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tetonrider wrote:

I'm no authority on this matter, but based on Specialized's published info (http://www.specialized.com/...1101&scname=Road) the Pro, Expert and Comp frames all use the same carbon lay-up (FACT 10r).

The S-Works version uses 11r.

10r was essentially the top-of-the-line lay-up from one or two seasons ago. (My 2011 Tarmac SL3 is 11r, so at a minimum it was on top bikes released last summer.)

I'd wager that in a year or two the S-Works model will get the then-latest carbon lay-up and the 11r will trickle down.

If you are tuned into their road bikes, 10r was used on the Tarmac SL2. The SL3 is stiffer and lighter than the SL2 (if you search I am sure there are charts to quantify this). The SL4 uses the same lay-up as the SL3 yet is still stiffer & lighter, so I would not fret about 10r vs 11r in the real world.

thank you! can Chris R. confirm this?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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They answered my question and said that all Shimano options will work. The PRO frame comes with adapters for the crankset, but is DI2 compatible and all Shimano group compatible ( I think that is what he was saying )



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry if this has been asked already. Tried to search this long forum but couldn't find it anywhere so here is the question.

This bladder you guys inserted inside the frame, Can we take it out for cleaning or is it permanently fixed there? Any additional details and videos/photos would be helpful
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [3Dealz] [ In reply to ]
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3Dealz wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked already. Tried to search this long forum but couldn't find it anywhere so here is the question.

This bladder you guys inserted inside the frame, Can we take it out for cleaning or is it permanently fixed there? Any additional details and videos/photos would be helpful

Very easy to remove and clean. There's a cap that can cover the opening if you choose not to use the hydration system.

-David
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