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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [ollie3856] [ In reply to ]
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there is currently no way, or no guidelines on how to say, create a workout in trainingpeaks (or elsewhere) and upload them to the power pilot right?


"No guidelines" would be exactly the correct way to summarize it. The capability is there, we just don't have the explanatory materials currently available to show users how to do it. It's at (or near...) the top of the list of "things we need to do next," but it just wasn't possible to get this "toolkit" done and available in time for release. Rather than delay release of the product to support a feature that wasn't an integral part of the unit's core functionality, we decided to delay the documentation process, do it right, *and* get the product in people's hands as quickly as we could.

These kind of choices are tough to make, but they're necessary sometimes, and we hope that by being completely transparent with the where/when/how behind them we can make it clear why we have (and will continue) to make them in an effort to bring the best possible products to market in as timely a manner as is possible.

We will have this info up and available as soon as we can, and I will post links to it as and when it comes on line.

Sincere apologies for the hassle, and I hope this all makes sense...



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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [ollie3856] [ In reply to ]
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the manual states that it will record no data unless it detects both sensors

I followed the instructions and for a brief second or two, I saw some cadence being displayed. Since then cadence always reads zero, but there is power, hr, etc. I was able to save to usb and the file confirms (zero's for cadence, numbers for watts).

I think I can actually take the cadence sensor off now... interesting.

Couple of other observations:
* HR monitoring range is exactly 3.3 feet. I know this because if I sit up to take a drink and it is 3.4 feet, no more readings...
* It seems you actually have to hit start to get power readings. So you can't just spin for a couple of minutes and then hit go to record your workout session. If you did that you would get zeros and the unit would shut off.
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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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Got my Power Pilot today...thing is awesome...good job guys at Lemonds!!! Couple of issues though....it only reads my heart rate when I stop pedaling or get off the bike?? when I start pedaling the heart stops blinking and I get a blank spot next to HR area on the screen. Also, when I update my info in the system settings area only some data is recorded...my Tire Runout, Standard vs. Metric and Elevation...but the time and date always reset to 1/01/10 and 13:49.

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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [sdmike] [ In reply to ]
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I think I can actually take the cadence sensor off now... interesting.

You need to *pair* to a cadence sensor for the unit to function. Once that happens, you don't need the cadence sensor for the wattage function to be operational as the current version of the firmware isn't using cadence as part of the wattage calculations.

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* HR monitoring range is exactly 3.3 feet. I know this because if I sit up to take a drink and it is 3.4 feet, no more readings...
YMMV on this one. the range of the HRM pickup tends to be pretty variable, depending on where the PP is positioned, where your HR strap is in relation to it, etc.

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* It seems you actually have to hit start to get power readings.

Yup. That is true.



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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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Overall, things are good. Love the trainer, getting used to the Power Pilot. From what I can tell so far the power output reading is pretty accurate. Only real outstanding issue is the lack of capability with the downloaded .csv file and any software.
Really appreciate you coming on here and representing.
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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [BambooKing] [ In reply to ]
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..it only reads my heart rate when I stop pedaling or get off the bike?? when I start pedaling the heart stops blinking and I get a blank spot next to HR area on the screen.

- the included HR strap doesn't have tremendous range - about 3 feet, as mentioned in a previous post. This is designed in to the "5k" transmission straps, to prevent cross-talk with other nearby users. We will have an upgrade ANT+ HR strap available for purchase soon, or you can purchase one of the other commercially available ones from a vendor like Garmin, Bontrager, etc. Honestly, though, it doesn't sound like this is your problem; it sounds like the electrodes are losing contact with your skin when you are in riding position. I would suggest that you try tightening the strap, wetting the contacts on the strap, or using electrode cream (like -http://www.amazon.com/...ctrode/dp/B000HZD2NU) to try and increase contact.

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Also, when I update my info in the system settings area only some data is recorded...my Tire Runout, Standard vs. Metric and Elevation...but the time and date always reset to 1/01/10 and 13:49.

- make sure you press and hold HR/kCal to get out of SYS mode. If you just wait for the unit to time out, it will not save all your changes.




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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [sdmike] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks, keep us posted!



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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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Ok, love the trainer, and just received the Power Pilot the other day. I was encouraged to see that it was possible to pair the Garmin 310XT to get the power/HR/speed etc... But after reading Ray's blog (dcrainmaker.com), I am unable to mate the two. Has anyone had any success with this? I have enabled the 'Fitness Equipment' option on the Garmin.

Here's what I know so far.....
The Garmin can see it's own HR strap and foot pod, but nothing from PP
The PP can see it's own devices (HR/Power/Speed/Cadence)

Anyone have a step by step on this?
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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fatbastard] [ In reply to ]
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Hi FB,

Here's what our director of engineering has to say on the topic:

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Yes, the console will pair with the 310XT watch and the 310XT can then upload the data streamed from the Power Pilot to Garmin Connect. However, there is a bug with the 310XT software such that the cadence and power graphs don’t show up on Connect. The max/avg data summary data is there but the graphs are not. Garmin is working on this and should have a fw update mid april.

No step by step written on this…I put it on hold until the Garmin bug was fixed.


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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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Then I look forward to both the fw update and the step by step. Interesting that he was able to get the two to communicate though. I, on the otherhand, haven't been so lucky.
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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fatbastard] [ In reply to ]
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does garmin connect support uploading the raw file that the power pilot spits out? I can only get that information into trainingpeaks for now, not into garmin connect or strava and would prefer to not have to send that data to a secondary device to have to do so :)

also...any news on how to upload those workouts...waiting (somewhat) patiently
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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [ollie3856] [ In reply to ]
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does garmin connect support uploading the raw file that the power pilot spits out? I can only get that information into trainingpeaks for now, not into garmin connect or strava and would prefer to not have to send that data to a secondary device to have to do so :)

That's really more a question for someone from Garmin than for me, but we do talk to them, and I will see what I can find out.

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also...any news on how to upload those workouts...waiting (somewhat) patiently


It's on our list of things to do, but we're a *very* small company with a *very* large list :0). We're working on it...


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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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cool...I have been in touch with the strava folks to see if they can support uploading the csv file too
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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [ollie3856] [ In reply to ]
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so...it's been a couple of months and have yet to see any more info on how to upload workouts to the Power Pilot (have read a couple of articles saying that you will be able to but have not seen anything definitive yet)...any updates (or have I missed something?)
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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [ollie3856] [ In reply to ]
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I'm an Engineer, part time inventor and avid cyclist....Wanted to share some general thoughts on the PP and basic info on writing a workout for upload to the Power Pilot as it is not be something that a novice can achieve without doing a decent amount of homework.
First, the workout files that run on the PP are "FIT", this is an ANT file sharing protocol...."Flexible and Interoperable Data Transfer Protocol – Called “FIT” for short is an interoperable binary data transfer protocol designed to be compact and extensible". I'm a novice ANT+ developer thus I have access to development tools and additional data.
Basically....There is a FIT File for HR, Watts, Cadence, RPM, Speed, etc and each has a specific format. You write the raw file in a .csv format then there is a conversion tool that rewrites it into a FIT file.....There is a Software Development KIt that is available at ANT to write FIT files but you should be a fairly decent programmer as the core files are in C/C++/Java. Unfortunately to get access to this Development KIt will cost you a grand and at present I have not seen any means to elegantly create a FIT file without writing software.
I'm thinking that there has to be a simple way as I'm sure that ANT did not write all of the FIT files that are out there being sold for training purposes and I might guess that those that came preloaded on the PP where created in Canada.
I'm going to see if I can come up with a utility that will enable the average "Joe" to write their own files and I'll post a response in a week.
Lemond Fitness is being very honest when they state that this device has "capabilities that excede what they are able to put in a users manual at present" . Definitely the FIT functionality is the latest and greatest from ANT and is currently being supported on a number of smart phones that are ANT+ compatible or use a WII chip.

Couple comments for Lemond Fitness as I just took delivery of a PP and Revolution for Fathers Day.
1)Increase the accuracy of the watt meter by inserting a permissive string in the firmware that prevents Watts from being calculated when the crank is not being turned.
2) It would be nice if you could keep the backlite lit even at the expense of the batteries maybe by mashing the button twice in quick succession. Typically while training, inside lighting is less than minimal and the backlite being able to be selected on would be a nice feature.
3)I think that the technology is brilliant and simplistic.....In essence a human dynamometer......., you know the weight of the flywheel, Its diameter, how fast its spinning, how fast your pedalling...you can interpolate alot of data from this for sure.
4)My major frustration was waiting for firmware timeouts when something wasn't completed properly or is seemed like the unit got hung up. There should be some way of escaping/aborting from the configuration screens.

Excellent product that will mature and be a de facto training companion !


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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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I am attempting to find the owners manual for the Power Pilot online; is that hidden somewhere - or did I miss it?

Thanks for some assistance with that.
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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [TouringMN] [ In reply to ]
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Hi MN,

Nope, you didn't miss it. pending a website revision, we don't have the manual up on line. There's a hard copy included with the unit, but if you need an electronic copy, PM me your email address and I will send you one.


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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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fredly wrote:
Hi FB,

Here's what our director of engineering has to say on the topic:

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Yes, the console will pair with the 310XT watch and the 310XT can then upload the data streamed from the Power Pilot to Garmin Connect. However, there is a bug with the 310XT software such that the cadence and power graphs don’t show up on Connect. The max/avg data summary data is there but the graphs are not. Garmin is working on this and should have a fw update mid april.

No step by step written on this…I put it on hold until the Garmin bug was fixed.



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Is there an update on this now that it's August? I
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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [bazilbrush] [ In reply to ]
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I've had the Power Pilot for 4 months now, and I've had a number of problems with it. The easiest to demonstrate is the "avg speed" being inconsistent with the "distance" and "time" displayed.

Here's a video (albeit Blair-Witchy) that demonstrates my problem:

http://www.flickr.com/...dell4life/6178908017

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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [slidell4life] [ In reply to ]
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"Blair-Witchy," indeed.

I would love to be able to respond to your issue, but honestly, I have absolutely no idea what it is from watching that vid.

Please feel free to drop me a PM & I will follow up with you directly to troubleshoot your issue (not sure we can help with demonic possession, though...)


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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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fredly wrote:
"Blair-Witchy," indeed.

I would love to be able to respond to your issue, but honestly, I have absolutely no idea what it is from watching that vid.

Please feel free to drop me a PM & I will follow up with you directly to troubleshoot your issue (not sure we can help with demonic possession, though...)

At 1hr of riding the distance is 16.6 miles and the avg speed is reported to be 17.6 mph. This is consistently and repeatably incorrect.

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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [slidell4life] [ In reply to ]
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"At 1hr of riding the distance is 16.6 miles and the avg speed is reported to be 17.6 mph. This is consistently and repeatably incorrect. "

Ok, that is strange.




By "...consistently and repeatably incorrect" you mean this is how the unit always reads?



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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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The avg speed never equals distance/time. It's usually about 1mph faster than distance/time would be.

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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [slidell4life] [ In reply to ]
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OK, got it.

Thanks for the heads up, haven't seen/heard about this before.

Please drop me a PM with your contact info, and I will get in touch with you. We definitely want to get this sorted out...


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Re: LeMond Power Pilot [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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I'm having the same problem. Off by 1.5 miles for an hour at 20mph.
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