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Apologize if this has already been posted; my brief forum search came up empty. Triathlete fined $1000 for swimming too far in a MN lake. Full story here: http://kstp.com/.../S529469.shtml?cat=1
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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [1sizefits1] [ In reply to ]
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wow! how ridiculous is that? I've done swims that were a lot more dangerous than that!

Just hope you get a judge that sees it your way!
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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [1sizefits1] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe a technicality here but he never completed swimming across the lake therefore he never fulfilled the condition requiring a permit.
What are they charging him with intent to swim across a lake?
They have no evidence that he was going to swim all the way across the lake..unless he admitted it.
Things like this are why I don't do training swims at guarded beaches.....


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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [1sizefits1] [ In reply to ]
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its all about the $afety
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I would be very curious to see how many citations have been issued in the last year to motorists for unsafe acts toward cyclists in that same municipality. Incredible.

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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [1sizefits1] [ In reply to ]
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This is really about disobeying the lifeguard, who I'm sure, is the one that called the cops.
The swimmer deserves the ticket. He swam outside of a marked swim area. Since that park is patrolled, he should of cleared it with the park officials first.

Besides, he's swimming alone across a lake. Poor judgment, especially for a Dr.
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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [1sizefits1] [ In reply to ]
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That report makes me thankful for the folks at the East Bay Regional Parks District here in the San Francisco Bay Area. You can swim to your hearts content in Lake Del Valle anywhere you want (north of the boat launch) whenever you want to, by yourself if you are so inclined ( I never would).

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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [karma] [ In reply to ]
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The lakes I swim in allow swimming within 100' of shore at any time with no restrictions. They even have bouys set at 100' around all of them. If you swim outside 100' from shore, you must be escorted by a boat, canoe, kyak, etc. and they need to have a PFD onboard for you. It is not a big deal. The lakes are rather large and rather busy on the weekends, so I get where the rules come from. I just have a buddy kyak along with me if I don't want to swim near shore.


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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [1sizefits1] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed it was stupid, but the $1000 and 90 days is the maximum penalty. Doubt he will get anywhere near that. And in the story that was referenced a few days ago, he admitted his mistake and said it was his fault.

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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [1sizefits1] [ In reply to ]
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Like I mentioned in a earlier post, my uncle lost sister when she cramped halfway across Lake Nokomis. She was swimming by herself. She was a strong swimmer.

Sometimes there are reasons cities need to be this draconian.
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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [SLC_vt98] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe a technicality here but he never completed swimming across the lake therefore he never fulfilled the condition requiring a permit.
What are they charging him with intent to swim across a lake?
They have no evidence that he was going to swim all the way across the lake..unless he admitted it.
Things like this are why I don't do training swims at guarded beaches.....
"Kleven, who is training for a triathlon later this year, said he was attempting to swim shore-to-shore around 7:30 p.m."


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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [bvfrompc] [ In reply to ]
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Like I mentioned in a earlier post, my uncle lost sister when she cramped halfway across Lake Nokomis. She was swimming by herself. She was a strong swimmer.

Sometimes there are reasons cities need to be this draconian.
I'm sorry for the loss of your aunt. But this brings up something I've always wondered. What kind of cramp prevents someone from swimming? I've had plenty of calf cramps and while uncomfortable, my other leg and both arms continue working just fine. How do we know she died from a "cramp?" She was by herself. Not dismissing the loss (as I recall you just recently heard this story and it happened long ago so not so much a personal loss for you?), but isn't the "cramp and drown" really an old wive's tale?
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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [Spiridon Louis] [ In reply to ]
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Like I mentioned in a earlier post, my uncle lost sister when she cramped halfway across Lake Nokomis. She was swimming by herself. She was a strong swimmer.

Sometimes there are reasons cities need to be this draconian.
I'm sorry for the loss of your aunt. But this brings up something I've always wondered. What kind of cramp prevents someone from swimming? I've had plenty of calf cramps and while uncomfortable, my other leg and both arms continue working just fine. How do we know she died from a "cramp?" She was by herself. Not dismissing the loss (as I recall you just recently heard this story and it happened long ago so not so much a personal loss for you?), but isn't the "cramp and drown" really an old wive's tale?
Never had it during a swim, but I've had adductor muscle cramps that if I was in a pool/lake away from shore, I'd have had some serious trouble. Both legs, almost in a fetal position and unable to move them at all.



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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [1sizefits1] [ In reply to ]
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Whew that's a steep fine. Our local lake only hands out $100 tickets and to this day many of my buddies have been caught and only warned. I don't know of anyone who actually got a ticket. That's why you have to go early in the morning before the patol starts.

He'll probably get off easy because he admitted wrong doing and I'm sure is willing to pay the fine.


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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [Devlin] [ In reply to ]
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I have had plenty of calf , foot etc cramps when swimming Usually not an issue as you just need to flex the opposite muscle (quad to hamstring or similar) to stretch the offending muscle. Surfing in cold water, and before I know about the above trick, I once had both hamstrings and both calves go at once. That was fun had to I couldn't stand up from a crouch once I got to the beach. At that point it was pretty hard to turn around and go back to water deep enough to stand up.

It is all about having a cool head in the water. A lot of people get cramps from using swim fins so SCUBA classes teach people how to stretch a calf in the water. Tread water, or deadman float, etc and stretch. I have spent enough time around the water that I am comfortable swimming alone. I have to be I do enough solo water sports that it is inevitable that I wind up in the water from time to time with no one around. It is a matter of being smart about it. When I swim alone I always wear a wetsuit which gives me plenty of flotation.

This has gotten me thinking about the swim certification suggestion that has been discussed in another thread following the NYC tri death. Perhaps an open water safety or "lifeguarding lite" would be a useful suggested course for entrants....
Just a thought.


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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [acronym] [ In reply to ]
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$$$$$safety..
uh huh...lived in san diego for years and yes lifeguards out there but no bunch of crap like this telling you how far you can and cannot swim and don't need no steenking permits just to swim a few miles...what a bunch of crap. Drives me nuts around here in Chicago with the city dictating when you can swim during the year and where and you must always have lifeguards present...

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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [HowlinKatTribe] [ In reply to ]
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$$$$$safety..
uh huh...lived in san diego for years and yes lifeguards out there but no bunch of crap like this telling you how far you can and cannot swim and don't need no steenking permits just to swim a few miles...what a bunch of crap. Drives me nuts around here in Chicago with the city dictating when you can swim during the year and where and you must always have lifeguards present...
I live in S.D., so perhaps that is why this makes NO sense to me whatsoever. What's next; walk-guards for pedestrians?

Hey, buddy...........c'mere, your not authorized to be walking so far.............I'm gonna have to write you a ticket!



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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [1sizefits1] [ In reply to ]
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time and time again the local govts choose which laws to enforce and which ones to slip by.
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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [1sizefits1] [ In reply to ]
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The rule is there because people in the past were dumbasses about it. Granted it's a relatively safe body of water, but you have to apply the same law to everyone.

Annoying as it is, I'm with the state on this one. But then my area's seen double red flags (beach closed to everyone but surfers) for about 5 of the past 7 days, and had something like 6-7 swimmer deaths in that time period because the touristas would turn around and go back in the water after the sheriff's office has ordered them out of the water.

As a result, the SO spent a lot of time writing $100+ tickets for entering a closed beach, and I'm all for it since the threat of a fine probably saved lives once word got out what was happening.
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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [1sizefits1] [ In reply to ]
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Question for the MN folks, are there not a plethora of organized open water swim times at those glorious lakes?

Here in Colorado there seems to be organized open water swims almost every night and on the weekend mornings all over the Denver/Boulder metro. Usually cost between $6-$10.
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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [FLA Jill] [ In reply to ]
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definitely not. if you want to go kill yourself thats your own problem.

we need to be responsible for ourselves, not make laws that force us to be responsible.
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Re: $1000 fine for swimming too far [Donut Gestapo] [ In reply to ]
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I always do open water swims with a friend or one of my kids in our bright yellow kayak... don't want to get chewed up by a prop... which is why that rule is there I'm sure...

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