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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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WFH + the day before a holiday meant I was able to devote the time to watch this.. Scorsese made another classic.
Impressive "de-aging" of De Niro, Pacino and Pesci, and it certainly didn't feel like a 3.5 hour movie. Maybe blasphemy but I put it on par with Goodfellas.

DeNiro didn't work for me. Even with the de-aging, young DeNiro looked middle aged. I also found him unconvincing as a young legbreaker. He was best as an old man looking back. The rest of the cast was great. Suprised to see Ray Romano in a mob flick, but he was great. Anna Paquin, great. Also, whoever played fat Tony. If I was in the same bar as him I'd leave in a hurry.

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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [sslothrop] [ In reply to ]
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I thought it sucked.

Formula:
Make the same gangster movie over and over again. Recycle dialogue, plot and actors.

After a certain point the films get progressively worse - as the geriatric actors get progressively more senile. The plot and dialogue also get progressively more cliche.

Fortunately for the filmmaker, the audience is also getting more senile. Eventually the geriatric audience doesn't even see the crap movie that is in front of them.
Instead, the audience just see an encore of a beloved movie from 30 years ago.

Goodfellas was a good film.
This was not.
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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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WelshinPhilly wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
Endo wrote:


The casting was really Coppola having a final farewell tour with the old gang, because in absence of that, they should have cast younger actors.


What??? Do all Italian-American directors that do Mafia movies look the same to you?

;-)


Funny, I saw a comment on a FB thread about this movie that was talking about DePalma being the director.

Weren't Scorsese, DePalma, Coppola, Lucas and Spielberg sort of a "gang" back in the early 70s, when they were still making their bones on Movie of the Week kinda work?

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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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Star Wars is dead to me.
Me too, except for The Mandalorian.
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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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I thought it was merely okay. I had been looking forward to seeing it on the big screen but it wasn't playing anywhere near me. It's a long movie and I watched it over 2 nights on my laptop. The first night I was tired and that may have played a role in my less than enthusiastic viewings.

Pacino was excellent. He reminded me of his character in Scent of a Woman. Pesci was also very good. Very reserved, and because of that, scary (although he may not have come across as scary if he hadn't played his previous roles in Good Fellas and Casino). De Niro playing his younger self didn't work.

I enjoyed the Castro/Kennedys/Bay of Pigs scenes, but some scenes were a little hard to follow. I read several reviews after viewing it and found myself thinking, "Oh, that's what that scene was about."

My main issue with it is that there is enough reporting and analysis indicating that it is extremely unlikely that Sheeran killed Hoffa or Crazy Joe Gallo, or probably anyone. The movie is based on the book by Sheeran where he claims he did all this.

On a side note, I read a piece that said Robert Kennedy going after Hoffa was a mistake. While Hoffa had ties to the mob, he kept them at arms length. When Kennedy finally put Hoffa in jail, the mob was able to fully take control of the Teamsters and fully raid their pension funds.
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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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It was entertaining, thank you Netflix. What I found weird is many of the sets looked familiar. I wonder if they were recycled from previous movies because I swear I had seem them elsewhere. The problem I had is DeNiiro and Pesci playing younger versions of themselves. There is not enough black shoe polish in the world to make them look young. It would have been an awesome opportunity for some younger actors a chance to play the stars as younger men. All told, it's hard to get enough of DeNiro and Pesci.

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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [jkca1] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with some of this. The weirdest thing was the vehicle explosions. I watched the departed the day before yesterday and thought the Irish man's special effects were rubbish
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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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+1 on Pesci.

But is he funny? I mean funny like he's a clown. Does he amuse you? Does he make you laugh, like he's here to fuckin' amuse you?

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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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+1 on Pesci.

I enjoyed it for what it is - almost certainly the last time all these guys do something like this. Yeah, the DeNiro aging back-&-forth stuff wasn't great and that curb-stomp scene was laughably bad, but on the whole, the movie delivered.

I thought Pesci was particularly awesome throughout... That scene where DeNiro gets called on the carpet by Keitel and Pesci for the laundry-service side job, Pesci's expressions were stellar. That dude rocks it.

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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Deniro was the most Italian Irishman I've ever seen.

Second only to, coincidentally, Pacino playing Jimmy Hoffa in The Irishman.


In the pantheon of epic gangster movies, this ranks near the bottom. I just watched it straight through an hour ago, and there's hardly a memorable scene or piece of dialogue in the film, just significant events.

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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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Deniro was the most Italian Irishman I've ever seen.

Second only to, coincidentally, Pacino playing Jimmy Hoffa in The Irishman.


In the pantheon of epic gangster movies, this ranks near the bottom. I just watched it straight through an hour ago, and there's hardly a memorable scene or piece of dialogue in the film, just significant events.

I agree with this totally, watched it the other day and will probably never watch another second of it. If Goodfellas, Casino, Godfather, etc was on tv I’d tune in to see what part was on and probably watch for 10-15 minutes.
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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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Just watched it last night, all in one sitting. Took my breath away. A truly incredible film and, not unlike some professional critics have pointed out, a somewhat bittersweet farewell to a bygone era of crime and the films that memorialized that crime in the American imagination. Like "The Unforgiven" was the last true Western, I suspect many will call "The Irishman" the last mob movie.

Scorcese seems to have nailed every last detail in terms of the visuals. I found the de-aging a little off putting at first, but it didn't detract from the powerhouse performances. Interesting how the soundtrack stayed true to what the characters would have liked and listened to, ergo, none of the expected Rolling Stones or Muddy Waters of Goodfellas or Casino. There's that moment when the nurse tending to Frank Sheeran doesn't have an inkling of who Jimmy Hoffa was; I am sure there's an entire generation to whom 1955 - 1975 will appear as ancient as a movie about the Civil War.
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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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sphere wrote:
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Deniro was the most Italian Irishman I've ever seen.


Second only to, coincidentally, Pacino playing Jimmy Hoffa in The Irishman.


In the pantheon of epic gangster movies, this ranks near the bottom. I just watched it straight through an hour ago, and there's hardly a memorable scene or piece of dialogue in the film, just significant events.

Until this moment I couldn't figure out who Pacino reminded me of. I just got it...it's Silvio



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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [plifter242] [ In reply to ]
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sphere wrote:
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Deniro was the most Italian Irishman I've ever seen.

Second only to, coincidentally, Pacino playing Jimmy Hoffa in The Irishman.


In the pantheon of epic gangster movies, this ranks near the bottom. I just watched it straight through an hour ago, and there's hardly a memorable scene or piece of dialogue in the film, just significant events.

I agree with this totally, watched it the other day and will probably never watch another second of it. If Goodfellas, Casino, Godfather, etc was on tv I’d tune in to see what part was on and probably watch for 10-15 minutes.

Same here, my wife and I were talking about this the other day and I don't see this one as rewatchable, where as you noted if Godfather/Godfather II or Goodfellas is on, you can jump right in at any point and still enjoy it no matter how many times you have seen it.



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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [jkca1] [ In reply to ]
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sphere wrote:
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Deniro was the most Italian Irishman I've ever seen.


Second only to, coincidentally, Pacino playing Jimmy Hoffa in The Irishman.


In the pantheon of epic gangster movies, this ranks near the bottom. I just watched it straight through an hour ago, and there's hardly a memorable scene or piece of dialogue in the film, just significant events.


Until this moment I couldn't figure out who Pacino reminded me of. I just got it...it's Silvio


Who I think played the singer in the lounge scene where the crazy mobster dissed Pesci.

I watched in yesterday. I enjoyed it, but the young DiNero didn't work visually. The eyes were strange and he moved like an old man the whole time.
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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [sslothrop] [ In reply to ]
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WelshinPhilly wrote:
WFH + the day before a holiday meant I was able to devote the time to watch this.. Scorsese made another classic.
Impressive "de-aging" of De Niro, Pacino and Pesci, and it certainly didn't feel like a 3.5 hour movie. Maybe blasphemy but I put it on par with Goodfellas.


DeNiro didn't work for me. Even with the de-aging, young DeNiro looked middle aged. I also found him unconvincing as a young legbreaker. He was best as an old man looking back. The rest of the cast was great. Suprised to see Ray Romano in a mob flick, but he was great. Anna Paquin, great. Also, whoever played fat Tony. If I was in the same bar as him I'd leave in a hurry.

Agree with you and the few earlier posts.

I've watched 49 minutes the other night with my sons (20s). I'm afraid they enjoyed it and I'll have to watch more with them. Otherwise I'd quit it.

Actually, DeNiro and Pesci don't look middle aged, they look old. I just can't buy 60 year guys (what they look like) being fathers and becoming hit men. Too weird. Stupid. Love their voices and hearing them talk, but my eyes tell me something is wrong.

With any luck I won't have to watch anymore.

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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [H-] [ In reply to ]
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Deniro looking 40 giving the guy a beating outside the store and moving like an 80 year old........ Did not work for me
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Re: No "Irishman" thread? [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
Deniro looking 40 giving the guy a beating outside the store and moving like an 80 year old........ Did not work for me

Me neither. But to my eyes, his face looks like he is in his 60s in the scene.

Here is De Niro (Midnight Run), when he is in his 40s:



From the Irishman:



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