j p o wrote:
jsquared wrote:
chaparral wrote:
jsquared wrote:
So much doesn't smell right about this.
Having read the Shokin testimony where he flatly states he was fired because he refused to end the Barista investigation, and flatly states the investigation was active and ongoing, I have to conclude that either: 1: the document is a fake, 2: Shokin is lying outright, under oath, or 3: he's telling the truth. I find the first two extraordinarily difficult to believe,
Wait, you don't think that Shokin is lying? The notorious corrupt prosecutor? You know there are documents that show that Shokin had made the investigation dormant years before Biden got involved. This is not hard. Shokin was corrupt and not prosecuting any of the oligarchs. Some prosecutors under him were caught with a suspiciously large amount of diamonds and cash, he fired anyone that investigated them.
It was years of pressure against Shokin, starting with people in Ukraine to get him fired.
Don't believe a liar like Shokin, because all the evidence points to him being a liar.
First I must ask, did you read the sworn statement in post #59? I did, pretty much in it's entirety, it's compelling and trumps everything else until there's some actual evidence proving he is lying. If you haven't read it I'm hard pressed to take your position seriously that he is lying. If you're lazy, you can start at section 7 or so. Seems like I read somewhere he had only been on the job 14 months, but had previously held the position in the past, this doesn't qualify as "years". If this is true, funny that they would bring him back. As for your "documents", it looks like another "investigative news" story based off the same propaganda being pushed for the last 3 years. So maybe he's as dirty as they say, this neither excuse's, or explains Biden's actions. Biden's actions still stink to high heaven. You might one day prove Shokin to be dirty, but I can promise you Biden is dirtier. Biden clearly had a personal stake in getting this guy out of office and Shokin's story is the only one that makes sense. I would hope you would have at least seen Biden's video where he bragged about getting the guy fired to the whole world. This was a foreign policy embarrassment beyond anything I remember in the last 40 years and alone should preclude him from ever becoming POTUS. If ever something demanded an investigation, this was it.
Are you suggesting that it was Biden's idea to push the Ukraine to fire Shokin or that he went rogue and did this on his own? Because that is the only way this made-up misdirection works. If it was the position of the EU and the US government to force Shokin out in order to get further aid, then Biden is just working to further US interests, not his own or his son's. Which is in stark contrast to the people pushing this narative.
In order for the known corrupt guy to be believed, we have to assume a whole host of other people have been lying about him.
Because a lot of people, who aren't trying desperately to cover their own asses, say something very similar to this:
"Shokin was not investigating. He didn't want to investigate Burisma," Daria Kaleniuk, executive director of Ukraine's Anti-Corruption Action Center, told the Washington Post for a July article. "And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation."
so that would mean that the next prosecutor would certainly do an investigation? Lots going on there, with Ukraine actively trying to help the Obama/Biden - Clinton side in the 16 election https://www.politico.com/...rump-backfire-233446
and recent info coming out indicating the Biden team hurried to meet with the new prosecutor.
https://thehill.com/....XY02ewYDEV8.twitter
Much more info from the right that does not get brought to these discussions, so there really was lots going on, and it's hard to know what to believe if you try to take it all in.