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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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"As he's done before, Buttigieg distanced himself from the Democratic Party's left flank. Calling himself a "democratic capitalist," he said that Democrats have erred for decades by not talking enough about freedom."

Strong play. The problem is he can be a rational guy I'd vote for, but if the rest of the party is a bunch of green revolution socialists then a vote for him is a derivative vote for them.
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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On Kaepernick and Trump:

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"The way I feel about it is the flag that was on my shoulder when I served represented, among other things, our right to free speech," Buttigieg said in the video.

He added: "You don't have to like it, but one of the reasons we serve was to defend that right, the right of peaceful protest and the idea that we can protest what is wrong with our country."

"If the president had served, maybe he'd feel a little more strongly about some of those freedoms," Buttigieg charged. "And, I get that there's a lot of strong opinions about this, but that's part of why we served."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/buttigieg-defends-kaepernick-nfl-players-who-kneel-during-national-anthem/ar-AABUdP1?ocid=ientp


He's no stable genius, but he's pretty good at putting Donnie in his place.

You do him a disservice with such faint praise. He is a stable genius and he has been outstanding at putting Donnie in his place. He has not swung and missed yet. Where was he in 2016 primary season? too young?
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Except that they're not, though it's a strong force in the party.

That said, where are Republicans on tariffs relative to what Trump is actually doing?

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [gofigure] [ In reply to ]
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an aside, and I know this maybe a hijack, but my newspaper has run some pics of Joe that I thought make him really look his age and are not at all flattering. Purposeful? Or is the early effort wearing him down. He should hire trumps make up artist.


I like Biden but agree he is too old. As sphere said he is a safe choice to beat Trump but the Dems will be making a mistake if they run just to beat Trump, they have to offer their own ideas or they play right into his hand.


Buttigieg might be too young but the Dems have to find someone younger than Biden, far more to the right of Sanders/Warren, someone who doesn't focus on Trump and especially someone who doesn't simply want to bankrupt the country with giveaways.


The Republicans seem to have given up on spending and the debt as a big issue so it seems there is a big opening for someone to jump in and bring some sort of control over spending.
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [907Tri] [ In reply to ]
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BootyJudge polls well with rich white people...

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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..... and not so well with black americans. It is early.
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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On the pending possible pardon:


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Referring to his own military experience, Buttigieg slammed Trump’s consideration of granting pardons to some service members who have either been accused or convicted of war crimes. One of those who has been considered for a pardon is former Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher, who stands accused of murdering an ISIS prisoner and indiscriminately shooting at civilians.

"The idea that being sent to war turns you into a murderer is exactly the kind of thing that those of us who have served have been trying to beat back for more than a generation," Buttigieg said.

"For a president, especially a president who never served, to say he's going to come in and overrule that system of military justice undermines the very foundations, legal and moral, of this country," he said.

I think he's exactly right. I've asked the question here, with no one offering an explanation: what am I missing about the incompetence or inherent bias of our military judicial system that warrants a pardon before a trial? You could argue that it's damaging enough to toss out a ruling, but to never allow the process to happen in the first place, what message is that sending?

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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To be fair, there hasn’t actually been a pardon yet so this is all just hypothetical.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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As it pertains to the SEAL, it sort of does. Why even suggest it before trial? The implication and effect is mostly the same.

You know this, and I know you know this, but most pardons and commutations are a product of new evidence, or change in penalties or the laws that imposed them, or new ways of thinking about a crime after the sentence has been delivered. Pardoning before trial suggests that the trial isn't warranted; that directly undermines the system on which justice is delivered. So if the system is inadequate or biased, let's hear about that and fix it rather than impugn it and selectively exempting only certain individuals from it.

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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Pardoning before trial suggests that the trial isn't warranted; that directly undermines the system on which justice is delivered.

But that hasn’t happened.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Again, largely irrelevant.

Why even suggest it pre-trial, when the justice system hasn't had the opportunity to find truth and administer justice?

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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I know you know this, but this has all the makings of a duffy rabbit hole. Best of luck sir!
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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Why even suggest it pre-trial, when the justice system hasn't had the opportunity to find truth and administer justice?

I don’t know. It’s Trump. He says quite a bit of stuff that is difficult to explain.

But that’s a different conversation, one that’s based on something that has actually happened.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:


I like Biden but agree he is too old. As sphere said he is a safe choice to beat Trump but the Dems will be making a mistake if they run just to beat Trump, they have to offer their own ideas or they play right into his hand.


Exactly.

If they just focus on beating Trump that gives him more attention and he can work with that.

If I vote blue I don't want to vote for someone to beat Trump, I want someone to move this country forward and continue to setup the next generation while taking care of my elders and my generation.
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [907Tri] [ In reply to ]
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907Tri wrote:
Sanuk wrote:



I like Biden but agree he is too old. As sphere said he is a safe choice to beat Trump but the Dems will be making a mistake if they run just to beat Trump, they have to offer their own ideas or they play right into his hand.



Exactly.

If they just focus on beating Trump that gives him more attention and he can work with that.

If I vote blue I don't want to vote for someone to beat Trump, I want someone to move this country forward and continue to setup the next generation while taking care of my elders and my generation.

Doesn't appear that way. You would have thought he would have learned from Fauxahontas. I'll stick to my original guess,,,,,,a talking head on ESPN......or MSNBC.....if he's lucky.

https://www.foxnews.com/...senting-familys-past
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Re: Where will Pete Buttigieg be in 2 years? [gphin305] [ In reply to ]
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907Tri wrote:
Sanuk wrote:



I like Biden but agree he is too old. As sphere said he is a safe choice to beat Trump but the Dems will be making a mistake if they run just to beat Trump, they have to offer their own ideas or they play right into his hand.



Exactly.

If they just focus on beating Trump that gives him more attention and he can work with that.

If I vote blue I don't want to vote for someone to beat Trump, I want someone to move this country forward and continue to setup the next generation while taking care of my elders and my generation.

Doesn't appear that way. You would have thought he would have learned from Fauxahontas. I'll stick to my original guess,,,,,,a talking head on ESPN......or MSNBC.....if he's lucky.

https://www.foxnews.com/...senting-familys-past

Seems BIL has an axe to grind.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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