I am looking forward to watching the race. I am not an expert but many predict this scenario

Lucy will come first out of the water, probably with Lauren Brandon. I would expect Chura, Oliveira, Clarke,and Fenella 1.30m behind. Then another group 4-5m behind with Daniella, Anne, Norden, Crowley and True. Laura Phillip, Skye and Sodaro will be 6-7m behind
Daniella will push the throttle after 100k and will pass Lucy. Norden will probably go with her but I expect Daniella alone in T2 with LCB and Norden 5m back. Phillip will risk and I think will get to T2 along with Skye, around 7-8m later. Haug 10 to 12m lost in T2. And then, I dont know...I said Ryf, Phillip, Haug for the podium....

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agree mostly, although i'm not sure about swim times.

my feeling with ryf is that usually about 1/2 to 2/3rds through the bike we'll know exactly what's happening with her. if she hits 150k riding faster than cam wurf, that's it - the race for first is finished. but if she hasn't moved up by then, something is wrong and she won't move up all day.

i think maybe norden is slightly over-rated as a triathlon cyclist, sometimes, but i don't know how she'll go at kona. she went well at st. george but not fast enough to gap the field or to bridge up to daniela. but i think she's a great athlete and could be 'due' for a big day.

also curious to see if the dynamics on the bike are different with fewer age-groupers around the pro women!

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For all the problems of the 2 day event - dilution of quality, price gouging, volunteer numbers etc - one of the main advantages will be tonight's coverage. It will be fully focussed on the FPRO race so we'll be able to really see things unfold and it will be easier to keep a handle across all the top 10 or so and gauge movements etc.

I'm looking forward to it, and really hope we get a worthy race for the W and not a Ryf walkover from mile 75 of the bike.

Daniela's going home disappointed.

I really hope this is the case and not just the typical IM coverage where we get 4 hours of watching the side-on shot of the lead rider with the occasional update on the chase pack.

I think that going into T2 Daniela will have it wrapped up per usual. Her gap into the uber runners will be substantial, and Ryf is no slouch running.

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good point! would especially like to see more on the race dynamics and see who's moving up from the back of the field. hopefully they're able to spread the cameras wider and get us more of a sense of the back-and-forth.

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curious to hear how you think it's going to play out. nipped in a footrace? beat on the swim/bike? beats herself by showing up sick or something?

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Daniela Ryf has been running a lot in high altitude, completely ripped and she’s in best shape ever. She’s going to be untouchable today. Fast runner Anne Haug is possibly second and third place will be up for grab for the rest.

Watching from near Noosa on the east coast of Oz tonight...Starts at 3:30am and I am going to feel like shit tomorrow.

And it's 7:35 AM at Slowtwitch's official race coverage writer (I have spotters on site).

Unless Daniela gets eaten by a shark or wakes up sick, I don't see how she doesn't dominate. She feels more like Thanos than anybody in the men's race. Inevitable.

Now, in terms of race dynamics -- it will have an impact, IMO, on how LCB, Sarah True, and some of the other bikers go for the race. If they attempt to hang with Daniela or minimize the gap, they might be able to build enough of a lead on some of the uber runners (a la Macca) to neutralize them.

It's gonna be a pretty fast day, from what I can tell -- wind out of the West, 7-10 MPH, not incredibly hot.

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Just sleep in get up early at 530, fast forward a bit in the FB feed the first 30 minutes and enjoy another 6 hours of coverage!

Eu is the crap place for this ends right in th e.middle of the night.

Chura might be in the 1st group out of the water. She is a great swimmer. Daniela will dominate the bike and run strong for the win.

I think she’ll show up with her A game, so no, sickness wont be the reason. I think the competition will be strong on each of swim, bike, run with the eventual winner will running her down and taking the lead later in the run.

I don’t think Ryf will be that far back on the swim. She’s improved a lot over the years. Ryf for the win unless has a mechanical. I think Lucy will be really fresh because of her injury and have a surprisingly good day.

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Was it TOD what 3 years ago didn’t run prior to Kona for like 3 months dealing w an foot issue and podiumed.

Sometimes saving it for race day can work out.

To no one in particular:

For the broadcast, remind the techno challenged idiots (me) how / where to watch again?

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Apart from Charles none of the off-the-front swimmers are likely to be there 6 hours later so, on form, the main contenders will be together in a happy pack of their own. Then it'll be a 'duathlon' with Ryf (assumed the fastest
rider and Haug the fastest runner, and Philipp, Norden and Moench in between). The untested (in a contested full distance since her 4th at Kona in 2019) is Philipp. She successfully (legally) sucked Ryf's wheel in Dubai
for 2+ hours. For 4:30+ cycling, doubtful, not least because Ryf must catch Charles and generate a decent gap at T2 on Philipp, and a bigger one on Haug.

Mentioning only those likely to finish top 10, I think the swim is going to mimic St George the aberration being Charles off the front, then a few swimmers Langridge, Norden in between, and then the contenders in small groups but led by Ryf, with True, Crowley, Philipp, Haug, McCauley, Moench (debutante), plus Nielsen, maybe Sodaro.
Once caught, Norden could not stick with Ryf in May, and won't be able to today. Norden's aim, maybe with Langridge but likely not, will be to have as big a gap as possible on Philipp, Moench and Haug come T2 (because she'll not run better than 3:10.
In '19 Charles' average bike meant Haug could close with her. I don't think she will here: Charles is a way better cyclist than then (see St George Sep '21) and Haug's bike is weaker (lost 15 mins to Ryf in May, 6 mins to Ryf at the Collins Cup). Ryf gained 7 mins on Matthews in May. If Charles can ride better than Matthews then she will be close to or ahead of Ryf in T2.

And if Charles had run a marathon since her London 2:48 in Oct '19, then I think they would be evenly matched on the run. But she hasn't and if she tries to race faster than 3 hour pace, there is considerable risk: deduction: Ryf will catch up / pull away. Philipp will lead the chase but she will be in a sandwich with Haug on her tail. I think Philipp will catch Charles but Haug will not. So disappointed not to have Matthews in that front fight.
So agree the 123 of @juanillo !! Plenty of competition for places 5-10: all to play for. Sodaro, True and Moench in the mix for top USAnian: my bet would be Moench - who has a sub-3 run. So disappointed not to have Matthews in that front fight. Astle to work her way up after her T1 deficit.

I fervently hope that the Kona motos will be proactively controlled and disciplined to minimise drafting advantage (please Zero view of Charles and Ryf from the front except Looong telephoto), and that we get coverage of the 'movers' in the field and not disproportionate coverage by the side of the lead biker. I expect the split days will mean a better coverage of each race and twice the air time will 'force' the director to reach down to the chasing groups and lone riders, directing moto cameras accordingly. We need to see Philipp and Haug and how far back they are on the way back from Hawi/Kawaihae. Remember both have a sub 2:50 PB so on the run let's hear from Dede how quick they are closing (seconds per km/mile).

Seems to work for me (no card required!!)

Peacock is carrying it live as well, for those who have.

First time back on these forums in a while - what is the easiest way to watch this race and are there any options besides FB?

Also is there any triathlon stats website yet where we can go to see results of all athletes in various races as well as rankings? I’m thinking something like Procyclingstats for those who follow cycling, or any basic sport stats page. So far I’ve been using the IM tracker app and going race by race to page through pro results one at a time which is very tedious.

is this new octo-box setup new? if it works, looks good.

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Nick2413 wrote:

Also is there any triathlon stats website yet where we can go to see results of all athletes in various races as well as rankings?

https://www.trirating.com/

as trackers go, i think ObsTri is the way forward:

https://www.obstri.com/live

and i think it's actually going to be broadcast on youtube?

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See post above ref link for live watch. Thorsten's site is trirating, but the PTO site (Thorsten has a hand in that too) is probably better (even great) for what you want, and also offer's head-to-head comparisons, on demand:
https://stats.protriathletes.org/rankings/women

Yes was TO, good for 2nd and best Kona run ever.

Facebook watch, YouTube, and Peacock(this doesn’t start until a couple hours into the race)

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The Ironman site looks pretty good so far. Excited to watch today, so much for a productive day at work and home.

Appreciate it!

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The multiple camera angle choices is awesome, it should cut half the traffic in the chat asking to show more Lionel on Saturday

Looking forward to this!

LFG women.

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Any idea what the wind is looking like today?

ipad set up on the corner of my work desk - not sure how productive I will be for work this afternoon.
Looking forward to a great race - come on LCB.

Daniella is soooo dominant you just have to root for LCB or Annie out of principle.

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forecast looks relatively mild in town, but i don't know about the whole course. currently dead calm at the pier.


also, wow - if they can pull this off it's a big step up for the broadcast quality from Ironman.

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rooting for the brit, and she is my daughter's (who is also a Lucy) favorite

Peacock coverage looks nice...

I'm on the ironman site and so far looks really good, and it was easy to sign up and just log on, no credit card required!!

I believe that there will be a couple/few women swim with Lucy, or at least they could if that is their race plan. All those gals that swam 50 flat in the practice swim are capable, just has to be in their game plan. Like the men, perhaps they will think it is in all their best interest to have a small bike group out front to combat the much larger one that will be chasing them down. I think at this stage, Lucy might like the company for a change, rather than an all day TT for her. And pretty sure she might feel she could outrun that bunch, so would be in her interest to trade pace with them.

But for sure they will all know that the chasers are full of top runners, so for me it would be in their interest to try and work together and either keep their swim gap, or at least make the chasers work much harder to catch..

I will be cheering for Sarah True. I wasn't a big fan of how she dealt with her issues in Frankfurt three years ago, but overall really enjoy her perspective. How will having a child affect her performance?

Enjoy race day 1 everyone!

Agreed. This and the Ironman now coverage seem excellent.

Lucy is gone already

Well now we know what everyones race plan is, let Lucy go be off by herself and then let the big group pull her back in. Her turnover is telling me that she doesn't want anyone to work with either. Perhaps the last time Laura B swam with her and just sat on the whole time on the bike, showed her that perhaps folks would just use her to pace the bike too. that would be annoying for sure.

Yeah, in the first 300m she had an immediate and solid gap

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Looks choppy today

Do we know where Daniela is? Which group?

The "on-water" commetators (Lieto and Rinny in the boat) are guessing that the current set up is Lucy out front...10m back is a group of 4... then ~10 more meters back is a group of 8 and then a was farther back is a mass of atheltes and Ryf is in that bunch with Anne Haug.

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that was my first reaction. Should favour Lucy and tire out the legs of those who are not as proficient

Definitely some swells. Never happened to me but had a friend one year got sea sick from the swells.

Thanks for that. I'm in a meeting so I'm watching the feed on mute, I can't hear shit. 20 more minutes in this meeting then it's KONA BABY!!!

Just eyeballing the gap, it looks like at 12 min in Lucy already had over 30 seconds gap on the chase.

Yeah, and the camera - even when pulled wide - doesn't show the 3rd or 4th chase packs. Those gaps could even be bigger.

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Is there an alternative commentary?

Yes, right here on this thread :)

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Do we know who's in that group of 4? Oliveira? Chura? Brandon?

Do the announcers not have the swim wave schedule? Seems they do not which age groups are going in each wave.

Let Rinny talk and get rid of these rest of these jokers

 
The gap now... 20min in... Lucy is out front by ~30m to a group of 4 and then another ~100m back is the 3rd chase pack, many women and the chatter is that Ryf and Haug are in that 3rd group.

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That chase pack altough losing Lucy's feet, doesn't seem to be losing distance on her... it seems stable.

I support this post.

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~24 min for Lucy to get to the half way mark

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Lauren Brandon (with 3 on her feet) is holding this minor gap to Lucy

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fenella + rebecca clark, supposedly.

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The eyeball test looks like Lauren has actually pulled back a bit of that gap.

SO Lucy has settled into a pace, and their are 4 chasers in a distinct group now, But they are not that far back, and I be Laura now wished she would have just got on Lucy's feet. She is working about the same now as she would have on the feet of Lucy, only losing a second here and there now. Not a huge gap, so I expect those 4 will ride up to Lucy quite quickly.

Maybe Lucy is also easing up to do what I thought in the first place, just a weird way to go about it

And now it's suggested that chase pack three is 2min back and 5min back to chase four with Ryf & Haug

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I agree with the other user above, it seems Brandon is actually closing in on Lucy.

yeah - is it worth it for lucy to try to stretch it out? or it there some use in trying to bring it home as a group of 5?

fenella's a decent rider but i'm not sure the other girls would be super-useful to lucy on the bike . . .

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I know Lucy likes to race at the front, but there's enough fire power in that group to do some real damage and share some pulls for at least the first hour or two.

Lucy is ending up with the best possible scenario. She is going to get here off the front bike group of 5, and she will have made those other 4 work much harder than if she had just let them sit on her from the gun. Like a boxer, this is a body blow to Laura and the others, as they would have not done a single pull if they had sat on her.

And looks like it will be a great gap to the uberbikers/runners, so they could conceivably be out there for many, many hours, and perhaps just a Danny will come up solo. That is the best case for Lucy for sure..

Lauren Brandon is leading the second group. Laura Phillip is in the pack well back.

This is shaping up for a really tough ride for Ryf. She is going to be almost 6 minutes back, and there is a strong group of 7 between her and the lead to catch first. I have a feeling that some of those 7 in the chase will get to the front before Ryf can bridge, so setting up for a super tactical ride for those trying to beat her.

Is there a financial incentive for being the leader out of the swim or for setting a swim record?

I suppose an athlete could have that as an incentive in their endorsement deals and we wouldn't necessarily know about it.

Also looks like a slow swim day. It's going to be 50+ minutes for Lucy. So that means Ryf's group is going to be close to the hour?

The current is pulling out pretty hard. The time coming back in is going to be much slower. That's the normal flow, but seems pretty strong today.

There's no prime from the race but I'm sure you're right about sponsor contract bump

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The only person on this broadcast that has said anything somewhat insightful is Rinny.

Ryf is looking good but rumours about her having a niggle might mean a 2nd half of run unravel.

Hard to know what shape Haug is in, been very quiet which makes prediction difficult.

I hope Lucy has a belter but I think top 5 will be a good result considering how much she missed. I think the back end of the marathon will be a bit much for her. I hope she gets top 3 but the 2 races she has done this season have been relatively short.

Cool tights on the SUPper.

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51mins for lucy - slow conditions today?

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She must be really popular in the Mid-West, I see lots of Let's Go Brandon flags on trucks around here.

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Yes a bit slow day, she has about 45 seconds on the chasers.

I would say 2+ minutes slow course from a neutral one. Which makes the gaps to Ryf that much bigger too, so good for her.

Wow that was a long run in transition.

Fenella +28 sec at start of bike. Made up some time in T1.

painfully long.

fenella out second - atta girl!

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The new transition setup looks miserable.

Great swim for Jocelyn and Skye to be in that third group.

Ryf out of swim 6:55 down.

 

Looks like 6+ min back to Ryf and Haug at swim exit.

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Ryf and Phillipp together!!! Pleae, Jesus... gives a run battle between Daniela, Phillip and Haug!!!

We’ll see how the bike leg goes. But so far, really liking the coverage. To echo others, more Rinny please!

They should've gotten Alistair to commentate.

This is set up to be a great race.

Ruth Astle 29th out of water +10:31 so not good start for her.

More like 7 minutes down for Ryf, and a pretty big gap to the 2nd group too. She has made it very hard on herself setting up this ride today, and letting others be with her that should have been 3 minutes in the rears to start the bike.

They should keep the camera and mic on Rinny and Mark for as long as possible. Like, for the next 7 hours or so.

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that cube is easily the best looking bike. i can't wait for it to hit the market.

Yeah this is going to be exciting. And Tissot agree on the coverage. The multicam stuff on Ironman.com is incredible. And can't get enough of Rinny on the mic.

I get one extra cam too, my hotel is close enough to get woken up by the cannon this AM. Got to watch it go down from my balcony!

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For anyone who isn’t already - watch the coverage via ironmannow.com rather than via Facebook. 5 different cameras plus live leaderboard showing average pace and gap. Really good coverage so far.

I think she gave herself a bit of heat stress with that acceleration.

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Attacking from the gun never works. Violates the “attack as late as possible, but just before everyone else” rule. But if LCB backed off for tactical reasons, then good. Hope she can sit on Ryf’s wheel for the rest of the race.

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Thank you!!

And wow...

The coverage on You Tube is the same as Ironman now.com fyi. Easier to watch on TV vs. a device.

Great race so far, going to be a fun day.

Are you in the future???

Does anyone know what the bright orange bike is? And what is below the downtube a fairing or flat kit?

The multiview is great, what a difference it makes.

4.6 mile split Ryf group not making any time into LCB. Heather Jackson +13:48 out of swim.

Attacking from the gun never works.
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Two Brits at the front

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One of the most entertaining things about watching on YouTube is the comments from clueless people in the live feed.

Yes, do you think they’ll work together or will FL just sit in?

Has anyone figured out how to close the 'chat' on IronmanNow? Trying to watch on an ipad and having the chat open makes the actual broadcast multiview (leader/chase/etc.) really small. First world problems, so far this is great coverage!!

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The bike that Rebecca Clarke is riding? It's an Orbea Ordu, and yeah that's a flat kit on the downtube near the bottom bracket.

Yes…just terrific coverage so far.

2nd place is the literal definition of unsuccessful.

I’m calling BS on the motos… LCB moto filming from behind, Ryf’s moto quartering in front. Not good.

Who is in fourth? Needs a bike fit.

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Already showing motos just in front of LCB

So really impressed with FL to bridge up and then lock in. Looks like the 3rd and 4th will be on their own until some from that group of 7 catch on. But at some point there will be ladies from that merged group going to the front I believe, well before Ryf and others can even get close..

As far as i can tell - going to full screen is the only way to hide the chat. I don't know who Noel is, but i'm sure tired of reading about him already.

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Depends on her bike racing IQ… if she’s confident she’ll sit in if she’s scared she’ll pull.

Maybe she works with LCB and puts herself into podium contention, I don’t know. If a third person joins then it’s time to work together.

If it were me I’d sit in.

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In what cases should FL work? If she’s a strong cyclist she should sit in, if she’s a weak cyclist she should sit in.

If she’s an average cyclist I could see a case for working, but really it’s all on LCB because LCB is wants to win. This is the problem with attacking at the gun.

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I was able to get rid of the chat side bar on ironmannow.com by doing a right click + inspect and deleting the element

It's brilliant.

Genius! Thank you!

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What you can do is run a single camera view, then in lower right of that view got to full screen. That window can also run as a background window. That’s how I watch and use the tracker app at the same time.

fenella moves up to take a pull!

any sense of what happened to sarah true? i though she was ahead of the german group and now it looks like she's 10s off the back of it.

also, bummer about ruth astle - looks like she was have a great swim at first and then something went wrong?

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Full screen mode. I selected multiview then full screen. Five cameras and no chat. :)

Fenella is drilling it.

Instantly made the coverage better!!!! Thank you

Video coverage is good but the banal commentary is even more awful than I remember.

Carfrae brought a new dynamic earlier on but we are already onto the useless drivel of old.

Seems there’s a whole bunch of kids who are watching their first triathlon ever just for that guy.

We wanted the sport to “grow”. Well, it did.

The commentary is inane drivel other than when Rinny is on.

In what cases should FL work? If she’s a strong cyclist she should sit in, if she’s a weak cyclist she should sit in. //

Yes at this point she should just sit in and take Lucy's pace. She had to bridge, so we know she can ride faster than this, but best to recover from that effort, and see in a couple hours how you are then feeling. If Lucy slips off the pace at all and she is still at her watts, then maybe take the lead and set pace for awhile. Give Lucy just a little break, and then perhaps she comes back again. Very impressed with FL tactics for now, but of course we dont know how she is actually feeling. She could pop off at any time, sit on forever, or help set pace if she actually feels it is too easy at some point..


loving the coverage and shots, but would like to see more of the chase groups and their gaps.

Something wrong with Ryf, that was slower than the jellyfish swim, way back to skye, not normal. Too bad, would have been fun to see her once more killing it.

Covid? I know at least one female pro caught it day out.

Anyway, it is there for the taking now


Ps. Happy if I called it too early

click the little video camera icon, as if you wanted to record a fan reaction. It will remove the chat.

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If you're a midrange pro, there's a ton of value in leading Kona and doing so for as long as possible.

Whilst most of the men seem to have their bike positions dialled in some of the women still have work to do. A lot of it being down to women generally being smaller and bikes just not being designed for them. Some of it is just poor positioning and kit choices. Some ‘aero’ helmets are massive and surely cannot be helping to reduce drag??

Something wrong with Ryf, that was slower than the jellyfish swim,//

No it wasn't slower, you cannot look at times from different years and compare. She did miss her group(2nd one) but she is just 3 minutes down on a good swim for her, not the 8 or 9 she lost with the jellyfish.


I did notice that Laura B was really sweating bullets. There was a stead stream of sweat dripping down from her face, not a good sign for later

That’s what I’m saying… if she’s a racer she’ll sit in.

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Good for Lucy letting FL take the lead, not sure she was ready for that. Shows that Lucy is thinking out there, not just looking at her numbers in a vacuum

Great swim by LCB -- not that that was ever in question. A little surprised how close the chase pack was, which I think is a good thing for the sport and for the rest of the race as we watch things play out. Lucy had a strong T1. Langridge made the call to bridge up & now the two can work together until some of the better bikers catch them.

They keep saying the wind isn't too bad which probably favors some of the better runners. It's more difficult to draft when it's windier. Norden & Phillip seem to be in good spots. Dew point will be ~70 degrees by the time they get to the run.

Takes courage and wisdom to do that. Well done.

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If Haug can stay in that group she will be in great shape. Might be a little hot on the effort though.

Can we sorta agree to give some serious kudos to Ironman for this coverage, at least the investment, ambition and technology is better than anything I have ever seen. OK, commentary is the same as always :)

Lets hope so. Although there were something like 20 age groupers faster or similar to her....

Anyway she is giving a ride to Laura and Anne, if she is ok, it might actually be worse for them even if they get a draft. I guess second half of the bike will tell

I am going out on a limb with a way to early prediction that Anne Haug wins this.

Interesting to see no wind at all as we approach Waikoloa.

This is the way

The flags at Waikaloa always tell the story of the day.

Are the Top 6 places British or former colonies and top 9 out of 11?

Fanella reminds me of Dede Greisbrier race the first year she raced hammering surging with Michelle Jones and cramped before the end of bike……seen this show before but let’s see.

So far it looks like it is pretty static for all 3 groups on the road, just a few seconds thus far of compression to the leaders. So like I thought, any moves are going to come a lot later than usual, the depth of the bike strength here is so close, that it will take 80 miles to tell who is and who is not on today..

First time at Kona but when I swam out around the boat yesterday I felt like I was getting pulled back out in the Ocean when I turned to come back in. Most of my triathlons are in the Oceans in Florida so I'm familiar with currents, just not typical Kona.

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Yep - something seems not right with ryf. Even her cadence seems much slower on bike than usual. It’s early so who knows but she tends to look a lot different at this stage when she is going to romp…..could make race much more interesting.

I will say this once, but it will cover for Saturday also.
The commentators should use the splits.
They will tell you who is biking and running the fastest.
Then you do not have to talk about what happened years ago, you can comment on the actual race.

Other than that the coverage is great.

Nice to have a women race only.

The Ryf/Philip/Haug group is steadily closing the gap

my rule of thumb with ryf is that you'll probably know by about 100 to 140k into the bike what's happening with her. if she hasn't shifted into another gear by that point and started burying the competition, then i reckon she's off and won't feature all day.

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Liking Lisa Norden’s strategic position right now.

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Ryf just looked a bit ragged to me, I didn’t get the impression she was holding back for a big push late in the bike.

Yeah even since I typed that she seemed to look better. Agree - if she even holds even for 120k she has unleashed a wicked final 60k in the past. I just thought on a few times she was on screen she just didn’t look quite right but prob nothing.

Yep, now lost the wheel of Phillip, sticking to my something not right

Sarah Crowley 5 min position foul

And Laura Philip also a penalty

are they?

i'm looking at the obstri tracker which has them at 5:30ish, which would be what, 30 second in 30 miles, so far?

also: damn, penalty for crowley. i liked her chances today.

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Laura Philip penalty. Ruh Roh

now phillip

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Laura too!

Hate to see drafting penalties becoming a big factor in the race.

My read was that the first chase was losing time to LCB, the 2nd chase holding steady, and the Ryf group gaining slightly. Let’s wait until after Hawi to measure more closely.

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The coverage of the chasing pack there looked like they were all drafting, plus the Moro nicely to the side of them.

What a gift to the leading riders, taking out two of the podium contenders and sitting them down for 5 minutes. And now also takes a lot of the firepower from that group, thus slowing them down. And from what I could see, probably a bike length incursion into the zone, and not following through to the front..Otherwise dont see anyone really taking advantage..

becca clarke just shown a card now, too?

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Yup - this is why I would vote for the 20m draft rule, so then you give a little more leeway for momentary incursions to 18m which have way less draft impact than bouncing between 10-12m.

If I had race radio I’d tell Langridge to start working.

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I don't mind the penalties -- I just hope they were all clear cut & that athletes were adequtely warned that drafting zones would be strictly enforced since continuity seems to be an issue in this area. Would be down for bigger draft zones in the future.

The tracker says AG men are due to race today, but they're yet to even start ... when are they scheduled to start?

I'm glad to see the draft penalties enforced. We were all complaining after PTO Edmonton. I'm glad to see IM make the rules mean something. Maybe a bigger draft zone is warranted, but these are pros and they should be able to manage the rules as they currently are.

Why?

Why is Noel Mulkey racing today in the women's race? He's listed in the Mens 25-29 category - should he race on Saturday??

Some of the older & younger AG men race today, the bulk of the male AG field race on Saturday.

Men 25-29 go today

So Ryf is still 5;30 in the rears, so still a pretty static flow of the top 3 groups. And losing those two really strong gals will just make it more so.

I think FL is riding brilliantly, take pace if Lucy slows down, then get back to her trailing spot ASAP. But good she does not slow down when Lucy does, this helps them both in the race against the chasers..

interesting.......

and M50-54

I've always felt DR hits the gas at the turn around when others start fading.

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Yeah Ryf is 2nd fastest through 67k and is known for crushing the ride home. This talk of her not gaining and/or being "off" seems a tad premature to me

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I'm surprised that Ryf hasn't shaken Anne Haug. Either DR is off, AH is having a great ride, or-- as you indicate-- DR is being patient. We'll see soon!

Or Ryf is having a decent ride and biding her time and Haug is over biking to maintain contact with Ryf.

Craig is absolutely correct. If the clouds or the predicted afternoon showers don't roll in it will be a brutally hot and humid marathon.

No warnings!

I wish Greg Welch would pipe down and let the insightful Crowie and Rinny talk.

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The two penalties take a lot of power out of the chase pack… the work would have more meaning now.

Likewise with whomever is with Ryf should sit in, unless she doesn’t care because she’s already won three times. Hard to say. If Ryf is having a bad day doesn’t mean she can’t win.

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Still doubting it, but we’ll see.

Moto riding 1m from LCB also doesnt hurt her changes....Ridicilous

I hope they give Lisa Norden the same “respect”.

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Pretty good coverage.

It's a shame the chat box is a spam fest. No moderators and no features for blocking.

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First 3-4 riders in the chase group again look close, 2 motos alongside too.

Is anyone able to see Men’s Age Group info by Age Group?
I can call up an individual OK, but the times by Age Group for Men indicates they haven’t started.

same. can track individuals but no leaderboard

This, Ryf better drop the hammer at the turnaround. If she tows Haug to T2 she has no chance.

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Wow! Absolutely shocked to stumble across the women's race today, I thought they'd have down this yesterday or Saturday and the men's Sunday.

And they continue showing the shots from the plane. Geez please focus on the race.

That overhead of the chase looked dodgy, Sodaro at least looks close. Still a double moto too.

Interested to see the speed down the big hill in comparison to other years. Lot of talk about no wind. Anyone on the ground there?

Sarah True out?

Fenella gapping LCB?

Finally seeing a bit of a breeze on the climb to Hawi. Still one of the calmer years out here.

Sucks, but then all media I’ve seen indicates Women’s WC Day.

Mens AG seemS to be working now.

Some amazing swimming with top 3 49:xx or better.

Scott

Yes. Getting in a car now.

Looks like LCB has the gap stabilized now. Will be interesting to see what Fenella does going forward from here. Ryf on the move now? Putting in an effort to drop the group into Hawi.

Nice to see Lisa Norden on camera but strategically that’s not good if she’s pulling her chase pack. Would like for Lisa to be second wheel.

Is it Ryf time finally?

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Such a bummer. She seemed so psyched to be there. I was pulling for her.

Oops! Working now!

Wow Norden crushed that climb

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Penalty tent. Now we know why she was crushing.

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Hot damn! Two more in the penalty tent. Norden and McCauley.

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whoaaa and I guess maybe its all for not. so many big penalties!

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Coverage is nice, wish there was more Rinny commentary & less of the others

McCauley's head position & helmet combo is quite bad

Bummed about True

Daniela is pedaling squares compared to what we're used to seeing, but not gonna read too much into it until later

Damn, this is sending out a message to male pros. What a bummer. R Clarke too. This is insane.

At this point I'm thinking that the women were not warned that the drafting rules would be very strictly enforced because this is a lot of penalties. Or maybe they are always warned and they just didn't take it that seriously? I don't know how it works.

More good news for the ladies out front, 3 more penalties from potential podium finishers. This really disrupts any chase going on, figure some from Ry's group may be in for a rest stop too..

Is it possible some asshole enjoying authorities giving out all these penalties? There's always this one asshole wherever you go.
I'm just speculating.

At this point I'm thinking that the women were not warned that the drafting rules would be very strictly enforced because this is a lot of penalties. Or maybe they are always warned and they just didn't take it that seriously?
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I wonder if the pros were told "no excuses this year as there aren't any age group men with you, so no mercy this year on drafting"

Good point. Could be the effect of the women getting their own day.

I dont know about any asshole, but for sure they are looking at the exact line on the road for this. So if you sit on that fine line, got your head down for a few seconds when the leader eases off or goes uphill, then you are caught out to have to pass. Most the time when this happens the riders just ease up to get back, but that seems to not be in play today for the Marshalls..

No - just being enforced for a change.

Pro men take note.

Something up with Lucy's cockpit, she is doing the typewriter. That is not her normal style, maybe the new bike not quite right??

Ryf may be on the move it appears

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yeah, i think things are starting to happen.

fenella's off the front, ryf is starting to crank, and the packs are fracturing a bit.

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I wonder what's going on with Heather Jackson. I didn't really expect her to be close to the front, but she's well back and appears to be losing ground.

Some newish Americans in the mix.

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Anyone heard the commentary team mention even once that Fennella Langridge was in the lead at Roth well into the marathon? The way they are talking you’d think this was a surprise.

Anyone else notice the straw sticking out of the side of Fenella's BTS bottle? It makes me cringe a little.

yeah - traditionally not a great swimmer, but i was figuring her bike would be a lot stronger today.

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In just a short period of time, Ryf will be in 3rd. She's quickly made her way to 5th and closing fast.

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Yes FL looks really great on the front, and super smart move to take the lead at the turn around, and swipe those 5 motos away from Lucy. They seem pretty good, but there is "always" some seconds that they are either on your side, or going past for just those few seconds of soft peddling.

I really like how Anne and Sodaro are riding. They are keeping themselves in a great spot to not have to wait to the end of the run to get to the front. Unless Danny can put 5 minutes from here, she is going to have to run low 2;50's. Which of course she can probably do, we usually never get to see how fast she "could" run if she was not comfortably off the front.

I remember that from Chrissie, always though of as a mid 2;50 runner, until she had to run an actual 2;50 to win the race that year she crashed bad just before. Basically ran even with Rinny on the day that the run course record was set, so you just never know with some of the win off the front gals until they truly get pushed. Think today is going to be that day,,

This seems like Haug’s race to lose at this point. 3:30 back from Lucy but only 30 seconds from Ryf. Even if she loses a couple minutes to Ryf in the last 50k of the bike Haugs got a great shot.

Daniella is doing the usual pattern. Turning the screws on the way back.

The same was with Wellington in 2007.

Langridge was 8th in St George, I think. I don't think the commentators do much research, it's cliche after cliche.

not enough data to really know but Haug has been ~3 minutes faster than Ryf at the two previous IMWC they both competed in. Ryf is making a big move RIGHT NOW, lets see what happens.

LCB is more like 10+ minutes slower and that was before the injury.

She’s going home disappointed that she beat the runner up by only 8 to 10 minutes as opposed to 20+.

I imagine she doesn't want to leave T2 near Anne Haug who went 2:55 in 2018 and 2:51 in 2019. Though it would be interesting to see how well Ryf can run if pushed

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She was so far back coming out of the water, and the riding standard has bumped up a notch around her.

She still might run herself into 8-10th -- no way we don't see some spectacular meltdowns given the way this has unfolded -- but the game has evolved a bit, very suddenly.

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This was a prescient post. Either that or we are seeing the origin story of the next Chrissie Wellington.

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