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Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism?
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Lengthy discussion over dinner with the wife yesterday about whether we would travel to USA.

So our hypothetical discussion went like this. Imagine being 16 - 24 weeks pregnant, going on holiday to a state that has a complete ban on abortions (we used Florida but we don’t even know if this is accurate). If you had a miscarriage and were denied medical care what would happen.

Can you even imagine having to consider that as part of your holiday planning. I can see holiday insurance companies removing pregnancy cover in their US policies.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [SheridanTris] [ In reply to ]
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It will barely move the needle on tourism.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [SheridanTris] [ In reply to ]
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Why travel to a state in which less than half of its residents have full rights? Why support such areas?
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [SheridanTris] [ In reply to ]
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I think that it will barely move the needle regarding tourism.

I think, though, that some states will be seen as more desirable to live in and others even more backwoods than they already are, which will effect where businesses put their corporate headquarters or manufacturing plants, where people want to retire to or where young couples want to take jobs and raise families, etc.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [DonV] [ In reply to ]
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DonV wrote:
Why travel to a state in which less than half of its residents have full rights? Why support such areas?

A lot of tourists will have booked holidays to Florida’s months if not years ago. COVID prevented travel so most people just postponed their holidays.

There wasn’t an issue when they booked!

I can see some impact but not this summer.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [DonV] [ In reply to ]
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DonV wrote:
Why travel to a state in which less than half of its residents have full rights? Why support such areas?

Because people are more than happy to “like” shit in Facebook, but if it actually affects them, well, sorry for the cause… but DisneyLand or some such.

We would do well, as a society, for abandoning the vacuous social media posturing and actually just trying to be decent players in a wider society. But then, FYIGM…
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [JerseyBigfoot] [ In reply to ]
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JerseyBigfoot wrote:
DonV wrote:
Why travel to a state in which less than half of its residents have full rights? Why support such areas?


Because people are more than happy to “like” shit in Facebook, but if it actually affects them, well, sorry for the cause… but DisneyLand or some such.

We would do well, as a society, for abandoning the vacuous social media posturing and actually just trying to be decent players in a wider society. But then, FYIGM…


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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [SheridanTris] [ In reply to ]
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During the sixties when Britain approved abortion while the Catholic countries (most of Europe) did not allow it, you could buy a T shirt that said "Put a bun in the oven for Britain". Because England became a destination.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [DonV] [ In reply to ]
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DonV wrote:
Why travel to a state in which less than half of its residents have full rights? Why support such areas?

That's certainly on my radar, along with the ever increasing levels of gun fhuckwhitedness ny the USA, as to why we'll skip America and spend my ÂŁÂŁ in Europe instead. Why spend money where the values are increasingly diverging from mine. Just like trying to dodge Chinese and Russian stuff where I can, amd not going on holiday to Arab states that are also abusive to human rights.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [BobAjobb] [ In reply to ]
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BobAjobb wrote:
DonV wrote:
Why travel to a state in which less than half of its residents have full rights? Why support such areas?


That's certainly on my radar, along with the ever increasing levels of gun fhuckwhitedness ny the USA, as to why we'll skip America and spend my ÂŁÂŁ in Europe instead. Why spend money where the values are increasingly diverging from mine. Just like trying to dodge Chinese and Russian stuff where I can, amd not going on holiday to Arab states that are also abusive to human rights.

We refused to go to US whilst Donnie was running the sh1t show. Now we won’t go because of this.

We are staying in mainland Europe this year. We are going to get old buggers train tickets and do as much as we can.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [SheridanTris] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [BobAjobb] [ In reply to ]
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BobAjobb wrote:
That's certainly on my radar, along with the ever increasing levels of gun fhuckwhitedness, in the USA, as to why we'll skip America and spend my ÂŁÂŁ in Europe instead.

That's a new word to me.
I like it.

And, unfortunately, sadly accurate.

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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [SheridanTris] [ In reply to ]
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My wife will not set foot in Florida. We will fly over and go to the islands.

Would love a second winter home in a left leaning state, just doesn't exist.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [SheridanTris] [ In reply to ]
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Why would you be denied medical care if you had a miscarriage?
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [JerseyBigfoot] [ In reply to ]
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JerseyBigfoot wrote:
DonV wrote:
Why travel to a state in which less than half of its residents have full rights? Why support such areas?


Because people are more than happy to “like” shit in Facebook, but if it actually affects them, well, sorry for the cause… but DisneyLand or some such.

We would do well, as a society, for abandoning the vacuous social media posturing and actually just trying to be decent players in a wider society. But then, FYIGM…

I'm just old enough to have been fascinated by the Watergate Hearings and had experienced the confluence of global political and economic events that sank Carter's presidency. I strongly believe in living my values, which is why I've dedicated my career to supporting the public sector. I am willing to forgoe quite a lot for the greater good, including making economic decisions that support such values, while not necessarily supporting my bank account.

What pisses me off is that people forget that our country was founded on specific notions of the collective good. Now, it's all about personal entitlement. As of toeday, there are twenty-six states that I will not travel to, nor would I encourage my daugthers to vist or live in them. My wife and daughters are 4/5ths of citizens. Our country's founding ideology was not tied to White evangelical *christian* (there's a joke) values. The perversion of the SCOTUS and the Republican party knows no bounds. (Pardon, anyone?) But then, the Democrats need to prove that they can be more than feckless slugs that cower in the rubbish.

I'm also pissed that these 26 regressive states disproportionately depend on federal support, especially given that I come from a state that's a net contributor. And I'd be okay with that permanently, but I cannot tolerate that the gun-toting stupidity in these areas now have made my part of the country measureably more dangerous than one week ago. This is apart from my horror that Little Buddy Pence already is advocating a national ban on abortion. Sure, save a foetus, shoot a child. I can see Trumps bumper sticker already.

And I hate having to use the phrase "my part of the country," as it's so antithetical to my values and the beliefs that I share with my family. It's tragic that we have come to this point. I cannot imagine a more hypocritical hellscape than Florida or Texas.

I would gladly contribute to a PAC that promoted the boycot of fuckwit states.

I apologize for the jeremiah--I spend a good part of this afternoon trying to reassure one of my children that yes, they *likely* will be safe in the future.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [jimatbeyond] [ In reply to ]
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jimatbeyond wrote:
Why would you be denied medical care if you had a miscarriage?

You may want to brush up on some US state's abortion laws. To call them draconian would be a huge understatement. You could indeed be denied medical care in the case of miscarriage.

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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [SheridanTris] [ In reply to ]
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I certainly would not voluntarily step into a state such as MO or TX with such laws. And being > child bearing age it’s simply based on personal morality
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [SheridanTris] [ In reply to ]
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Ongoing mass shootings, the media attention to the SC 2A decision last week and this decision will have an impact on international tourism.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [Ironnerd] [ In reply to ]
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in the past week I've chatted with a few ell-traveled Canadians who have said they're no longer interested in visiting the states. maybe for a while, maybe permanently. but at least in my little bubble , it's having an impact.

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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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If demand falls a little it will be backfilled by people taking advantage of lower prices. Now if medical insurance for snowbirds gets significantly more expensive that would put a dent in Florida tourism..

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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [ruby1] [ In reply to ]
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ruby1 wrote:
My wife will not set foot in Florida. We will fly over and go to the islands.

Would love a second winter home in a left leaning state, just doesn't exist.

California says hi.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [spockman] [ In reply to ]
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History has proven these "boycotts" of places largely dont' work. This won't have any effect on tourism or jobs, or business in those states.

Remember when the redneck contingent said they weren't going to watch the NFL because of Kappernick and that it would go woke and go broke? NBA too? How did that work out with the NFL and NBA numbers increasing still?

Remember when conservatives said they would stop buying all things Disney because Disney wanted to allow schools to teach kindergartners about sexual orientation and gender identity? The lines are still long and prices crazy high at Disney.

Remember when people were going to boycott Chick Fil a because they supported conservative candidates? Yea, the line is still around the building all day at the drive through.

Remember when conservatives were going to boycott Target over allowing biological males to use women's bathroom? Yea, Target still going strong.

These boycotts don't work because at the end of the day, these issues don't mean that much to us. The desire to go to Disney, eat good chicken, buy cheap goods and watch football means more to most people. I anticipate there will be zero fall out for any state from this issue with regard to travel.

I payed over 12K for a week at a VRBO on a Florida beach and many of the houses are going for 20K a week. Would be nice if the prices came down a little.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
ruby1 wrote:
My wife will not set foot in Florida. We will fly over and go to the islands.

Would love a second winter home in a left leaning state, just doesn't exist.


California says hi.

The state as a whole leans left, but coastal Maine works even better.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
BLeP wrote:
ruby1 wrote:
My wife will not set foot in Florida. We will fly over and go to the islands.

Would love a second winter home in a left leaning state, just doesn't exist.


California says hi.

The state as a whole leans left, but coastal Maine works even better.

For a second winter home? I think he’s looking to avoid winter, not take part in it.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
BLeP wrote:
ruby1 wrote:
My wife will not set foot in Florida. We will fly over and go to the islands.

Would love a second winter home in a left leaning state, just doesn't exist.


California says hi.


The state as a whole leans left, but coastal Maine works even better.


For a second winter home? I think he’s looking to avoid winter, not take part in it.

That's his punishment for wanting to move to a left leaning state. :)
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
BLeP wrote:
ruby1 wrote:
My wife will not set foot in Florida. We will fly over and go to the islands.

Would love a second winter home in a left leaning state, just doesn't exist.


California says hi.


The state as a whole leans left, but coastal Maine works even better.


For a second winter home? I think he’s looking to avoid winter, not take part in it.

Missed that part.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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rick_pcfl wrote:
BLeP wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
BLeP wrote:
ruby1 wrote:
My wife will not set foot in Florida. We will fly over and go to the islands.

Would love a second winter home in a left leaning state, just doesn't exist.


California says hi.


The state as a whole leans left, but coastal Maine works even better.


For a second winter home? I think he’s looking to avoid winter, not take part in it.


That's his punishment for wanting to move to a left leaning state. :)

Bred, born and lived in blue states my whole life

Fortunately never lived in one of those RED states, never plan to.
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
ruby1 wrote:
My wife will not set foot in Florida. We will fly over and go to the islands.

Would love a second winter home in a left leaning state, just doesn't exist.

California says hi.

Oh definitely says hi. Will provide housing to women as sanctuary state for abortion. Yet has a homeless crisis here....
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Re: Roe v Wade how will it affect tourism? [jimatbeyond] [ In reply to ]
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jimatbeyond wrote:
Why would you be denied medical care if you had a miscarriage?

Here is the landmark case that caused Ireland to make abortion legal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/..._Savita_Halappanavar

Note many states only have exceptions for the life of the mother not the health of the mother. So you have to get to the point someone is actively dying to intervene and that’s a pretty hard call to make if you are facing felony charges if you mess it up and move too early.

Hence why it might be hard to find an OB in these states soon. No idea why they would work under those conditions.
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