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Damn.

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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [6453Texas] [ In reply to ]
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I'm watching this live on the news, and his car does not look good. The whole front end is smashed in and it had rolled over at least once. Hard to see if he crashed into something then rolled up the hill, or maybe came down the hill from an upper road. They had to use the jaws of life, so the car folded like a tin can.

I used to live and work in this area, cops usually have speed traps all over RPV to slow folks down..Hope is will be ok, sounds like he is in surgery for something at the moment..
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Man, this sucks. I have loved watching Tiger since day one and always rooted for him to one day beat Jack's records. I worked at Nike for 25 years, so I had opportunities to meet him and even worked on a few of his shoes over the years.

I hope he comes out of this okay, regardless of whether he plays golf this season or ever again, just hope that he hasn't really screwed himself up or undone the recent back surgery. He was supposed to get an MRI on his most recent surgery to see if it was healing up for him to resume practice and hopefully play the Masters, but I think it's safe to say that is off the table with this.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [6453Texas] [ In reply to ]
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They said he was playing gold that morning with a friend(basketball pro), so probably at Trump's gold course out on the peninsula. One of my fairest calls was when that 18th hole broke off and fell into the ocean, just months before opening day. It was surreal to see so much land just gone, and this huge valley now between the ocean and solid ground..
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [6453Texas] [ In reply to ]
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Hope he is OK. Always liked him. Saw him in person a number of times and those memories remain.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [monty] [ In reply to ]
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They said he was "playing" golf? I think he was shooting a series with GolfTV is what I read. They said he shot on Monday and was supposed to shoot on Tuesday, but didn't show up .... assuming he was on his way there when he had the accident. I don't think he was back to "playing" yet until he was cleared. He's probably been hitting some shots for the shoot and practicing whatever he can (probably not full shots).


"He then remained in the LA area, staying at Terranea Resort in Rancho Palos Verdes, to do a two-day shoot with Golf Digest/Golf TV at Rolling Hills Country Club, about two miles from the crash site. Woods joined a list of celebrities, including Dwayne Wade, Justin Timberlake, Mookie Betts, Jessica Alba and David Spade, on Monday at Rolling Hills."
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [monty] [ In reply to ]
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The aerial shot looks like there isn't an upper road. Pretty straight section of road. No intersections. Wonder if he fell asleep. 7:15 AM is the wrong time of day for most people to be impaired.

We might be so ever so slightly less fucked.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [SDG] [ In reply to ]
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I know he has taken his lumps over the years (and some for good reasons), but as a golfer, unless you have seen him play live, you can't really understand how good he was. I had an opportunity to be on the range at the 2012 US Open in San Francisco. When TW came out to hit balls, I was about 25 feet from him, shooting some pics/video.

Tigers hits a ball that is just vastly different from many other pros. The sounds, the trajectory ... just pure. Not only were all the spectators watching him hit balls (probably about 300 or so in the stands, but many of the pro's would just stand there and watch him stripe shots. It was very cool to see and hear in person that close.

I really hope this isn't how he ends his career, but man, this poor guy has put his body through so many injuries over the years, it's hard to imagine he can keep coming back from them.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [6453Texas] [ In reply to ]
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Damn is right. Fyi, the new HBO doc about him is outstanding.


Based on what I have seen in the doc, unless he is the worst driver in the world, this sure looks like a substance abuse issue ...


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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [6453Texas] [ In reply to ]
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In surgery for multiple leg injuries. He had back surgery just a few weeks ago, I think. He’d still be in recovery from that.

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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
I'm watching this live on the news, and his car does not look good. The whole front end is smashed in and it had rolled over at least once. Hard to see if he crashed into something then rolled up the hill, or maybe came down the hill from an upper road. They had to use the jaws of life, so the car folded like a tin can.

I used to live and work in this area, cops usually have speed traps all over RPV to slow folks down..Hope is will be ok, sounds like he is in surgery for something at the moment..

The news feed says Hawthorne Blvd. Not far from where I live. I used to ride my bike up that road, as did many people on ST. He must have been distracted, that road is not windy or narrow, but people do speed.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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How many times has he had back surgery now? Seems like a lot.

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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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The aerial shot looks like there isn't an upper road. Pretty straight section of road. No intersections. Wonder if he fell asleep. 7:15 AM is the wrong time of day for most people to be impaired.

It's a tricky spot to drive. Lots of crashes there. Easy to fly off if not paying attention or if someone gets aggressive next you.

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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [alex_korr] [ In reply to ]
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alex_korr wrote:
j p o wrote:
The aerial shot looks like there isn't an upper road. Pretty straight section of road. No intersections. Wonder if he fell asleep. 7:15 AM is the wrong time of day for most people to be impaired.


It's a tricky spot to drive. Lots of crashes there. Easy to fly off if not paying attention or if someone gets aggressive next you.

I kind of look past the possibility of being on your phone. Which seems much more likely given the context than any kind of impairment.

We might be so ever so slightly less fucked.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [6453Texas] [ In reply to ]
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Obviously very hazy on the specific details ( hearing broken leg(s)?) but if true then a best case scenario would be several months of recovery /rehab with a long term goal of being at 100% for the ‘22 Masters? He’d be 46 and realistically have two summers( 8 majors)..maybe three cause he is Tiger ? so 12 major appearances - assuming he can stay healthy ( again, he is Tiger) to win 3 and tie Jack ...
Gonna be tough to do ..
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [shady] [ In reply to ]
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shady wrote:
Obviously very hazy on the specific details ( hearing broken leg(s)?) but if true then a best case scenario would be several months of recovery /rehab with a long term goal of being at 100% for the ‘22 Masters? He’d be 46 and realistically have two summers( 8 majors)..maybe three cause he is Tiger ? so 12 major appearances - assuming he can stay healthy ( again, he is Tiger) to win 3 and tie Jack ...
Gonna be tough to do ..

I think it was iffy currently for him to win any more majors. Possible sure. But his body is a wreck. His back specifically. It’s been difficult for him to have his back hold up through 4 rounds of a tournament.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [shady] [ In reply to ]
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shady wrote:
Obviously very hazy on the specific details ( hearing broken leg(s)?) but if true then a best case scenario would be several months of recovery /rehab with a long term goal of being at 100% for the ‘22 Masters? He’d be 46 and realistically have two summers( 8 majors)..maybe three cause he is Tiger ? so 12 major appearances - assuming he can stay healthy ( again, he is Tiger) to win 3 and tie Jack ...
Gonna be tough to do ..


I may be hazy on my golf history but didn't Ben Hogan comeback and win something of note after having broken legs in a car crash?
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [alex_korr] [ In reply to ]
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I can't tell from the pictures I have seen. Do you know the specific spot the accident occurred? Or at least what stretch of road?

Just curious as I used to ride up in that area all the time.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [torrey] [ In reply to ]
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I can't tell from the pictures I have seen. Do you know the specific spot the accident occurred? Or at least what stretch of road?

Just curious as I used to ride up in that area all the time.

yeah, it's on Hawthorne by Blackrock dr. A gross spot.

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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [daustin] [ In reply to ]
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daustin wrote:
shady wrote:
Obviously very hazy on the specific details ( hearing broken leg(s)?) but if true then a best case scenario would be several months of recovery /rehab with a long term goal of being at 100% for the ‘22 Masters? He’d be 46 and realistically have two summers( 8 majors)..maybe three cause he is Tiger ? so 12 major appearances - assuming he can stay healthy ( again, he is Tiger) to win 3 and tie Jack ...
Gonna be tough to do ..


I think it was iffy currently for him to win any more majors. Possible sure. But his body is a wreck. His back specifically. It’s been difficult for him to have his back hold up through 4 rounds of a tournament.

The only thing I might add is that it always seemed like Tiger was really fast getting back into stuff that might have prevented his back from healing properly. Maybe if he’s laid up with broken legs for awhile, he’ll be forced to let his back heal up before he gets back into the twist and torque that golf puts on it.

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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Broken legs or worse. Hopefully for him, not worse.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [spockwaslen] [ In reply to ]
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How many times has he had back surgery now? Seems like a lot.

In Dec he had his 5th back surgery.

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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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His legs may not ultimately be the problem (though we have no idea on how bad the injuries are). His back is the most serious. If he messed that up even more, I don't see how many more "fusions" he can go through to keep that going.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
daustin wrote:
shady wrote:
Obviously very hazy on the specific details ( hearing broken leg(s)?) but if true then a best case scenario would be several months of recovery /rehab with a long term goal of being at 100% for the ‘22 Masters? He’d be 46 and realistically have two summers( 8 majors)..maybe three cause he is Tiger ? so 12 major appearances - assuming he can stay healthy ( again, he is Tiger) to win 3 and tie Jack ...
Gonna be tough to do ..


I think it was iffy currently for him to win any more majors. Possible sure. But his body is a wreck. His back specifically. It’s been difficult for him to have his back hold up through 4 rounds of a tournament.


The only thing I might add is that it always seemed like Tiger was really fast getting back into stuff that might have prevented his back from healing properly. Maybe if he’s laid up with broken legs for awhile, he’ll be forced to let his back heal up before he gets back into the twist and torque that golf puts on it.

Tiger has a very violent swing and I'm not so sure he can carry that forward and not have reoccurring back issues. I would like to see him catch Nicklaus though.
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axlsix3 wrote:
slowguy wrote:
daustin wrote:
shady wrote:
Obviously very hazy on the specific details ( hearing broken leg(s)?) but if true then a best case scenario would be several months of recovery /rehab with a long term goal of being at 100% for the ‘22 Masters? He’d be 46 and realistically have two summers( 8 majors)..maybe three cause he is Tiger ? so 12 major appearances - assuming he can stay healthy ( again, he is Tiger) to win 3 and tie Jack ...
Gonna be tough to do ..


I think it was iffy currently for him to win any more majors. Possible sure. But his body is a wreck. His back specifically. It’s been difficult for him to have his back hold up through 4 rounds of a tournament.


The only thing I might add is that it always seemed like Tiger was really fast getting back into stuff that might have prevented his back from healing properly. Maybe if he’s laid up with broken legs for awhile, he’ll be forced to let his back heal up before he gets back into the twist and torque that golf puts on it.

Tiger has a very violent swing and I'm not so sure he can carry that forward and not have reoccurring back issues. I would like to see him catch Nicklaus though.

I’ve always been a huge fan of Tiger ( even when we learned that he was tucking the kids to bed and sneaking out to the Denny’s back parking lot:) but up until Nov 3 2020, I wished Tiger no more than 17 Majors as Jack Nicklaus was one of my childhood sport idols . So part of me died the day Jack came out endorsing that vile POS as President . I couldn’t believe it ! And then when Orr came out doing the same it was an absolute double-kick to my childhood nutsack ! So yeah ... love to see Tiger do it but odds were already slim before today ..
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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Tiger has a very violent swing and I'm not so sure he can carry that forward and not have reoccurring back issues. I would like to see him catch Nicklaus though.


He has to win 3 majors to tie and 4 to break Jack and there is almost zero chance of that with all the good talent out there now. He was really struggling with his back and has a hard time playing consecutive days, let alone 4 solid rounds.


I think he was far more dominant than Jack (his winning percentage in his prime years was untouchable). If he had stayed injury free and avoided some of his self-inflicted personal problems he would have passed Jack but that's part of what makes someone great, staying healthy and avoiding problems (guys like Federer have done that too).


Jack finished his career with 18 majors and just as amazing, finished 2nd 19 times. Give him a 50% win on those second places and he has close to 30. However, the competition is deeper now(Jack had some good competition but not as many) and I think it will be a long time until his record of 18 majors is broken. No one playing now has a chance, other than Tiger and it might be one of those people are still chasing 100 years from now.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
alex_korr wrote:
j p o wrote:
The aerial shot looks like there isn't an upper road. Pretty straight section of road. No intersections. Wonder if he fell asleep. 7:15 AM is the wrong time of day for most people to be impaired.


It's a tricky spot to drive. Lots of crashes there. Easy to fly off if not paying attention or if someone gets aggressive next you.


I kind of look past the possibility of being on your phone. Which seems much more likely given the context than any kind of impairment.


Pure speculation and I don't mean it with any malice - but if he was coming off a recent back surgery, I wonder if he had painkillers or muscle relaxants in his system. I could see that kind of impairment in the morning as more plausible than intoxicants for recreational purposes. Or maybe he was just checking Facebook.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [wimsey] [ In reply to ]
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Compound broken femur and a crushed ankle. Had a 5 hour surgery, that was the last I heard.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [wimsey] [ In reply to ]
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wimsey wrote:
j p o wrote:
alex_korr wrote:
j p o wrote:
The aerial shot looks like there isn't an upper road. Pretty straight section of road. No intersections. Wonder if he fell asleep. 7:15 AM is the wrong time of day for most people to be impaired.


It's a tricky spot to drive. Lots of crashes there. Easy to fly off if not paying attention or if someone gets aggressive next you.


I kind of look past the possibility of being on your phone. Which seems much more likely given the context than any kind of impairment.


Pure speculation and I don't mean it with any malice - but if he was coming off a recent back surgery, I wonder if he had painkillers or muscle relaxants in his system. I could see that kind of impairment in the morning as more plausible than intoxicants for recreational purposes. Or maybe he was just checking Facebook.

Yes, looks like a classic case of texting while driving. He was probably late for a tee-off or some other appointment. Speed likely a factor too. But yes, pure speculation.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
Tiger has a very violent swing and I'm not so sure he can carry that forward and not have reoccurring back issues. I would like to see him catch Nicklaus though.


He has to win 3 majors to tie and 4 to break Jack and there is almost zero chance of that with all the good talent out there now. He was really struggling with his back and has a hard time playing consecutive days, let alone 4 solid rounds.


I think he was far more dominant than Jack (his winning percentage in his prime years was untouchable). If he had stayed injury free and avoided some of his self-inflicted personal problems he would have passed Jack but that's part of what makes someone great, staying healthy and avoiding problems (guys like Federer have done that too).


Jack finished his career with 18 majors and just as amazing, finished 2nd 19 times. Give him a 50% win on those second places and he has close to 30. However, the competition is deeper now(Jack had some good competition but not as many) and I think it will be a long time until his record of 18 majors is broken. No one playing now has a chance, other than Tiger and it might be one of those people are still chasing 100 years from now.

He is 45 and has won one major in the past 12 years. It would be extraordinary to recover from this accident and even be competitive in a major — though I’d love to see that. Winning multiple majors seems almost unimaginable at this point.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [TriDavis] [ In reply to ]
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Compound broken femur and a crushed ankle. Had a 5 hour surgery, that was the last I heard.

Yikes. So much for this seasons Majors. Hopefully we’re lucky enough to see him healthy and teeing it up again at Augusta in ‘22
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [daustin] [ In reply to ]
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shady wrote:
Obviously very hazy on the specific details ( hearing broken leg(s)?) but if true then a best case scenario would be several months of recovery /rehab with a long term goal of being at 100% for the ‘22 Masters? He’d be 46 and realistically have two summers( 8 majors)..maybe three cause he is Tiger ? so 12 major appearances - assuming he can stay healthy ( again, he is Tiger) to win 3 and tie Jack ...
Gonna be tough to do ..


I think it was iffy currently for him to win any more majors. Possible sure. But his body is a wreck. His back specifically. It’s been difficult for him to have his back hold up through 4 rounds of a tournament.


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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [ike] [ In reply to ]
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He is 45 and has won one major in the past 12 years. It would be extraordinary to recover from this accident and even be competitive in a major — though I’d love to see that. Winning multiple majors seems almost unimaginable at this point.[/quote]
Prior to 2019 I never thought he would win another tournament. He struggled to get up let alone play golf. He then won the 2019 Masters so I thought you can’t write this guy off. Jack’s record major wins as always been his number 1 goal.

Now, after his recent back surgery and this accident I’d say it would take a miracle to pass Sam Snead in wins and zero chance he wins 1 more major let alone 4 needed to pass Jack.

He also has a son who might pursue golf and that will give him more passion than trying to get back to his best. It’s too bad, he was one of the most dominant athletes in my lifetime.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [6453Texas] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah no disrespect to him and hope he heals quick, but my first thought about cause, is that the press release will read 'adverse reaction to prescription meds'...............
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [TriDavis] [ In reply to ]
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Compound broken femur and a crushed ankle. Had a 5 hour surgery, that was the last I heard.

I heard femur AND tibia/fibula, along with the crushed ankle.

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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [Justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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As of this am a rod in femur and lost of hardware in ankle and foot? He is done as a high level golfer. Hopefully he can carry on well from a psychological perspective. He could be a great golf commentator. He has kids he can invest his time in and should be okay from a money perspective if he is reasonable. Hopes and prayers as they say.

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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [spockwaslen] [ In reply to ]
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should be okay from a money perspective if he is reasonable.

His net worth is close to $1 billion so I think he’s okay from a money perspective even if he’s unreasonable. 😁

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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [Justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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Justgeorge wrote:
TriDavis wrote:
Compound broken femur and a crushed ankle. Had a 5 hour surgery, that was the last I heard.


I heard femur AND tibia/fibula, along with the crushed ankle.

The way they were talking on the radio yesterday I was assuming they were trying to save one of his legs.

Anyway, he's done as a pro golfer but should still be relatively fine.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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I’m glad he’s alive, and relieved for his family. He, also be a whole again.

Eldrick will play again, and will win again. He has demonstrated a level of mental toughness and an ability to work and adapt through other personal, physical, and emotional adversities.
The medical, PT, psychological, attention and rehab that he will be to access will surpass what most, if not all of us have access to... And all of it is a million miles from Hogan had in order to comeback.
We have listened to him talk about pain, focus, determination, and work ethic. This will be another challenge to face. From what he communicates publicly, I do not believe he possesses the ability to leave his legacy here.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [shady] [ In reply to ]
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I’ve always been a huge fan of Tiger ( even when we learned that he was tucking the kids to bed and sneaking out to the Denny’s back parking lot:) but up until Nov 3 2020, I wished Tiger no more than 17 Majors as Jack Nicklaus was one of my childhood sport idols . So part of me died the day Jack came out endorsing that vile POS as President . I couldn’t believe it ! And then when Orr came out doing the same it was an absolute double-kick to my childhood nutsack ! So yeah ... love to see Tiger do it but odds were already slim before today ..

Tiger is smart or careful enough not to endorse Trump, or he's following his policy of staying out of politics. He did push the woke-line by playing golf with Trump and accepting awards from him. I don't believe he endorsed Biden.

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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [BIKE3] [ In reply to ]
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He’s done. It’s over.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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Your response is exactly why you are wrong.
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BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.

Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.

How much do you know about Ben Hogan?
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [svennn] [ In reply to ]
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svennn wrote:
BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.

How much do you know about Ben Hogan?

So let’s get people on the record.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another full-field professional golf tournament?

I’ll say no.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another Major?

Obviously I’m saying no.
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BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.

guy won a 15th major AFTER a spinal-fusion. Until we know more about what he is dealing with i'd sit tight on spouting off..
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [svennn] [ In reply to ]
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svennn wrote:
BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.


How much do you know about Ben Hogan?

A lot. He was 37 not 45. And he had not had 5 previous back surgeries.

If Tiger thought his back and neck were jacked up from the wreck when the Viking woman tried to kill him after confirming he was a lying POS he hasn't seen anything yet.

His return was iffy before the wreck. Now throw in a destroyed right leg, more soft tissue injuries to his back and neck. A year+ of rehab taking him to 46 years old and he is done.

Father Time is undefeated without the aid of Vikings and SUV's. Throw those in and the odds are stacked against you.

We might be so ever so slightly less fucked.
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DieselPete wrote:
svennn wrote:
BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.


How much do you know about Ben Hogan?


So let’s get people on the record.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another full-field professional golf tournament?

I’ll say no.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another Major?

Obviously I’m saying no.

I assume you mean on the regular PGA tour, and not the "Champions" tour?

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slowguy wrote:
DieselPete wrote:
svennn wrote:
BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.


How much do you know about Ben Hogan?


So let’s get people on the record.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another full-field professional golf tournament?

I’ll say no.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another Major?

Obviously I’m saying no.

I assume you mean on the regular PGA tour, and not the "Champions" tour?

I’ll include the old timer events.

He’s done. No more wins.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
DieselPete wrote:
svennn wrote:
BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.


How much do you know about Ben Hogan?


So let’s get people on the record.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another full-field professional golf tournament?

I’ll say no.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another Major?

Obviously I’m saying no.


I assume you mean on the regular PGA tour, and not the "Champions" tour?

I'm curious if the Senior Tour even appeals to him. He seems like someone who wants to be the best, not the best for his age.

But I suppose he will need something to fill his weekends. And there are worse ways to do it.

We might be so ever so slightly less fucked.
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svennn wrote:
BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.


How much do you know about Ben Hogan?


So let’s get people on the record.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another full-field professional golf tournament?

I’ll say no.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another Major?

Obviously I’m saying no.

I need to hear from medical people on prognosis for recovery and rehab before I go on 'record'
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j p o wrote:
slowguy wrote:
DieselPete wrote:
svennn wrote:
BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.


How much do you know about Ben Hogan?


So let’s get people on the record.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another full-field professional golf tournament?

I’ll say no.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another Major?

Obviously I’m saying no.


I assume you mean on the regular PGA tour, and not the "Champions" tour?


I'm curious if the Senior Tour even appeals to him. He seems like someone who wants to be the best, not the best for his age.

But I suppose he will need something to fill his weekends. And there are worse ways to do it.

My understanding is that he wants to win the Senior Open, because that would make him the only person in history with every USGA men's championship.

Slowguy

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j p o wrote:
slowguy wrote:
DieselPete wrote:
svennn wrote:
BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.


How much do you know about Ben Hogan?


So let’s get people on the record.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another full-field professional golf tournament?

I’ll say no.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another Major?

Obviously I’m saying no.


I assume you mean on the regular PGA tour, and not the "Champions" tour?


I'm curious if the Senior Tour even appeals to him. He seems like someone who wants to be the best, not the best for his age.

But I suppose he will need something to fill his weekends. And there are worse ways to do it.

His motivation appears to be to break Jack's record. I can't see him sticking around for the Old Timers tour.

It's one thing to go through multiple back surgeries to keep your PGA hopes alive, it's a completely different thing to go through future surgeries to compete on the Old Fart tour.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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BLeP wrote:
j p o wrote:
slowguy wrote:
DieselPete wrote:
svennn wrote:
BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.


How much do you know about Ben Hogan?


So let’s get people on the record.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another full-field professional golf tournament?

I’ll say no.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another Major?

Obviously I’m saying no.


I assume you mean on the regular PGA tour, and not the "Champions" tour?


I'm curious if the Senior Tour even appeals to him. He seems like someone who wants to be the best, not the best for his age.

But I suppose he will need something to fill his weekends. And there are worse ways to do it.


His motivation appears to be to break Jack's record. I can't see him sticking around for the Old Timers tour.

It's one thing to go through multiple back surgeries to keep your PGA hopes alive, it's a completely different thing to go through future surgeries to compete on the Old Fart tour.

I suspect you may be underestimating or drastically oversimplifying his actual motivation.

Who knows. We'll see in the next year or two as he works through recovery.

Slowguy

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I’m glad he’s alive, and relieved for his family. He, also be a whole again.

Eldrick will play again, and will win again. He has demonstrated a level of mental toughness and an ability to work and adapt through other personal, physical, and emotional adversities.
The medical, PT, psychological, attention and rehab that he will be to access will surpass what most, if not all of us have access to... And all of it is a million miles from Hogan had in order to comeback.
We have listened to him talk about pain, focus, determination, and work ethic. This will be another challenge to face. From what he communicates publicly, I do not believe he possesses the ability to leave his legacy here.

I don’t see him winning another major. Maybe a regular tour event. Even that is big challenge. Of course he’ll have access to best medical care. With 5 back surgeries and now serious leg injuries it may not matter how hard he works. At some point it doesn’t matter how hard you work when your body starts failing.
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slowguy wrote:
BLeP wrote:
j p o wrote:
slowguy wrote:
DieselPete wrote:
svennn wrote:
BLeP wrote:
BIKE3 wrote:
Your response is exactly why you are wrong.


Uh huh. Keep drinking that Tiger aid.


How much do you know about Ben Hogan?


So let’s get people on the record.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another full-field professional golf tournament?

I’ll say no.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another Major?

Obviously I’m saying no.


I assume you mean on the regular PGA tour, and not the "Champions" tour?


I'm curious if the Senior Tour even appeals to him. He seems like someone who wants to be the best, not the best for his age.

But I suppose he will need something to fill his weekends. And there are worse ways to do it.


His motivation appears to be to break Jack's record. I can't see him sticking around for the Old Timers tour.

It's one thing to go through multiple back surgeries to keep your PGA hopes alive, it's a completely different thing to go through future surgeries to compete on the Old Fart tour.

I suspect you may be underestimating or drastically oversimplifying his actual motivation.

Who knows. We'll see in the next year or two as he works through recovery.

Yup. I could be.

We might also discuss just how demotivating this crash is couple with his recent back surgery.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Throw in a little never know what almost losing your leg (and life?) does to someone’s motivations. I’ve been to several smaller senior events and it’s just a big party for those guys. I don’t know how many smaller events Tiger would play, but I can definitely see him enjoying that atmosphere. The biggest question right now, as far as any return is concerned, is what additional damage did he incur to his back.
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I suspect you may be underestimating or drastically oversimplifying his actual motivation.


I don't follow him super closely, but his motivations do seem to have adapted with age. Going from a bred-from-birth-winning-is-everything golf Death Star to someone who enjoys the process a bit more. You can't lose as often as he has over the last decade if you take no pleasure in anything but winning.

Adapting to age and ability is just successful living, not compromise. Arguably his approach to life when younger, while wildly successful on one level, was not one consistent with long-term health and happiness.
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How much do you know about Ben Hogan?


A lot. He was 37 not 45. And he had not had 5 previous back surgeries.

If Tiger thought his back and neck were jacked up from the wreck when the Viking woman tried to kill him after confirming he was a lying POS he hasn't seen anything yet.

His return was iffy before the wreck. Now throw in a destroyed right leg, more soft tissue injuries to his back and neck. A year+ of rehab taking him to 46 years old and he is done.

Father Time is undefeated without the aid of Vikings and SUV's. Throw those in and the odds are stacked against you.
Throw in the depth of field these days compared to when Hogan was playing.

Woods would beat me playing left handed on one leg, but he's not going to win again against the other current pro players.

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
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Now that he seems to be safe, I will add: WTF? Two single-vehicle accidents? Get a chauffeur. The guy is a menace behind the wheel. He one of the most important US athletes of the past 30 years, but this is not ok. Especially as cyclists, we should take a stand against such high-profile dangerous drivers.
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Now that he seems to be safe, I will add: WTF? Two single-vehicle accidents? Get a chauffeur. The guy is a menace behind the wheel. He one of the most important US athletes of the past 30 years, but this is not ok. Especially as cyclists, we should take a stand against such high-profile dangerous drivers.

are we counting the collision where hes being chased out of the house by an irate Ms Woods wielding a 2-iron. I think we gotta give him a pass on that one:) . On the others , I agree! Brutal driving and threat to public safety
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ike wrote:
Now that he seems to be safe, I will add: WTF? Two single-vehicle accidents? Get a chauffeur. The guy is a menace behind the wheel. He one of the most important US athletes of the past 30 years, but this is not ok. Especially as cyclists, we should take a stand against such high-profile dangerous drivers.


are we counting the collision where hes being chased out of the house by an irate Ms Woods wielding a 2-iron. I think we gotta give him a pass on that one:) . On the others , I agree! Brutal driving and threat to public safety

In fairness, it's been widely reported that this particular stretch of road is known for causing accidents, for people driving faster downhill than they should, etc. Woods doesn't seem to be the only person who has had problems with this stretch of road.

Slowguy

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I need to hear from medical people on prognosis for recovery and rehab before I go on 'record'


It's only the LR, the penalties here for having an opinion aren't severe.

I would have bet that he would never win another major before this accident. He did win in April 2019 but even that was 2 years ago and he has had long bouts of injury/rehab since then, plus his recent back surgery. It was doubtful if he would be even back this year and with the fields seeming to get stronger (Jordan Spieth is playing well again, Dustin Johnson in his prime and the other threats like Rory, Rahm, Koepka, Schaffle etc) he would have to be at his best for 4 rounds.

Assuming this year is gone (it was likely a wash before the accident) he would be 46 at next year's Masters (Jack won at that age) but time is ticking.

After hearing about his leg injury, I bet he will not win a major and about 90% chance that he will never win another PGA event (not counting the Champions Tour).
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Hogan probably started smoking about age 10??? So, 27 yrs. of smoking, 1940-50s, food and lifestyle put Hogan miles behind a 21stC recovery. I’ll extrapolate and bet Ben was physiologically in his 5Os at 37yo. Given stories, his mentality was probably similar to Eldrick. Medical tech and access will coincide w Tiger’s publicly demonstrated will. He will win again.

How many of you naysayers have ever won a triathlon, or even your AG? Anybody ever won after broken bones in a car wreck? Took 2 yrs., but, yes, I have. Eldrick will go to work.
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Hogan probably started smoking about age 10??? So, 27 yrs. of smoking, 1940-50s, food and lifestyle put Hogan miles behind a 21stC recovery. I’ll extrapolate and bet Ben was physiologically in his 5Os at 37yo. Given stories, his mentality was probably similar to Eldrick. Medical tech and access will coincide w Tiger’s publicly demonstrated will. He will win again.

How many of you naysayers have ever won a triathlon, or even your AG? Anybody ever won after broken bones in a car wreck? Took 2 yrs., but, yes, I have. Eldrick will go to work.


I'd place a large wager on the fact that he'll never win a major again.

The man is a wreck physically, and has lost his edge mentally. He had a streak as the most dominant golfer in history, but that was a really long time ago. The magic he created at Augusta in 2019 was truly one of the coolest things I've seen in sport, but with additional surgeries and injuries, and the ever advancing age, it's highly, highly unlikely that he's ever a serious contender at a major again.

Hopefully you were joking in comparing some worthless AG triathlon win with winning a major in the world of professional golf. That's absurd.

Also, he's been sidelined for several years now with back problems... Do you think they've been holding out on this "medical tech" that's going to magically erase the significant cumulative damage that his body has experienced???
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I need to hear from medical people on prognosis for recovery and rehab before I go on 'record'


It's only the LR, the penalties here for having an opinion aren't severe.

I would have bet that he would never win another major before this accident. He did win in April 2019 but even that was 2 years ago and he has had long bouts of injury/rehab since then, plus his recent back surgery. It was doubtful if he would be even back this year and with the fields seeming to get stronger (Jordan Spieth is playing well again, Dustin Johnson in his prime and the other threats like Rory, Rahm, Koepka, Schaffle etc) he would have to be at his best for 4 rounds.

Assuming this year is gone (it was likely a wash before the accident) he would be 46 at next year's Masters (Jack won at that age) but time is ticking.

After hearing about his leg injury, I bet he will not win a major and about 90% chance that he will never win another PGA event (not counting the Champions Tour).

i saw recently that Vegas offering 825-1 futures on Charlie Woods winning a major before age 25 . I'm geussing the current line on pops winning one more is what...500-1?
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Hogan probably started smoking about age 10??? So, 27 yrs. of smoking, 1940-50s, food and lifestyle put Hogan miles behind a 21stC recovery. I’ll extrapolate and bet Ben was physiologically in his 5Os at 37yo. Given stories, his mentality was probably similar to Eldrick. Medical tech and access will coincide w Tiger’s publicly demonstrated will. He will win again.

How many of you naysayers have ever won a triathlon, or even your AG? Anybody ever won after broken bones in a car wreck? Took 2 yrs., but, yes, I have. Eldrick will go to work.

That was always one of his keys to success. Just a bottomless willingness to put in the work. But since his back has caused him issues he can't do that. You can't just power through 5 surgeries on your back. And I would have to see the study that suggests high speed roll over wrecks as aiding recovery from back surgery.

Ben Hogan has been mentioned as an example as someone who came back after serious injury.. 1 win after his age 41 season. Tiger Woods, 3 wins after his age 37 season. Nicklaus - 3 wins after age 40 season. Hell, Phil has held up pretty well, but only 2 wins after age 43 season.

Before the wreck he was hoping to be able to get back to golf-like activities soon. Not win or even play a tournament, but do golf-like things.

If the over/under on wins is 1, I am taking the under. Doesn't mean we know, but if I were a sports betting man, I'd take the under.

We might be so ever so slightly less fucked.
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I did not think he would win another major, still don't.

But, I do believe he will use this as motivation, play again, and win another pro event. Not sure he knows any other way.

As an aside, I've been amazed at my father's support of Tiger. My father is from that generation and temperament that just about everything has a slight tinge of racism to it. I certainly thought I'd hear him always support Jack, the 'old school', and some subvert racist rant. But, nope. from day one he's been a huge fan of Tiger and wanted to see him break Jack's record. Pretty sure my father was an 'Arnie's Army' guy and he never liked Jack to begin with. What's more is that he is firmly in the cohort that if Tiger is not in the hunt on Sunday, there is no need to even watch golf.
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No, I am not joking about winning, and a will to recover and compete. That’s why I asked.
Have you ever won after recovering from trauma car wreck?
I’ll further extend the parameters of the question and ask if you’ve ever worked hard have enough to win, and won without suffering trauma?
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No, I am not joking about winning, and a will to recover and compete. That’s why I asked.
Have you ever won after recovering from trauma car wreck?
I’ll further extend the parameters of the question and ask if you’ve ever worked hard have enough to win, and won without suffering trauma?


I'm guessing english is a second language for you so I'll try to answer what I think you are trying to ask.

I don't think the car accident is the limiting factor, it's the 5 back surgeries. Things don't suddenly get better after 5 surgeries, including a fusion. The fusion will lead to adjacent segment degeneration, especially when continuing to pursue explosive athletic movements. He's very likely getting worse, not better with subsequent procedures. The car accident certainly doesn't help that.

The ankle injury is also problematic for high level golf, though the right side injury is certainly preferable to having a left side injury if you had to choose an ankle for a right handed golfer. The femur is not concerning as far as return to sport.

I don't think he's lacked will or talent or desire in the last 10 years but at some point, the body just gives out.

Oh, and as for me, fortunately I haven't had a major car trauma to this point in my life. One rollover accident, unscathed. I did fracture a femur when I was 7, spent six weeks in a body cast, and went on to win 3 NCAA-II national titles in my early 20's but I don't think that counts.
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How many of you naysayers have ever won a triathlon, or even your AG? Anybody ever won after broken bones in a car wreck? Took 2 yrs., but, yes, I have. Eldrick will go to work.


Uh, you're serving yourself up as an example for Tiger because you won a recreational catered walk-jog? 😁
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shady wrote:
ike wrote:
Now that he seems to be safe, I will add: WTF? Two single-vehicle accidents? Get a chauffeur. The guy is a menace behind the wheel. He one of the most important US athletes of the past 30 years, but this is not ok. Especially as cyclists, we should take a stand against such high-profile dangerous drivers.


are we counting the collision where hes being chased out of the house by an irate Ms Woods wielding a 2-iron. I think we gotta give him a pass on that one:) . On the others , I agree! Brutal driving and threat to public safety

In fairness, it's been widely reported that this particular stretch of road is known for causing accidents, for people driving faster downhill than they should, etc. Woods doesn't seem to be the only person who has had problems with this stretch of road.

I hear you. I am not saying he should serve some long prison stint or anything like that. But, it’s his third incident. Many people who have killed or seriously injured cyclists (as one example) could say that the stretch of road has had other incidents. When you lose control to the degree that he did here, it’s mostly luck whether or not you kill someone. He was not driving a Miata.
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Now that he seems to be safe, I will add: WTF? Two single-vehicle accidents? Get a chauffeur. The guy is a menace behind the wheel. He one of the most important US athletes of the past 30 years, but this is not ok. Especially as cyclists, we should take a stand against such high-profile dangerous drivers.

I thought the same thing. In the video released of him driving you can see a group of cyclists traveling in the opposite direction. Imagine how many people he could have killed if he hit that group.
The excuse the road is notorious for crashes is not acceptable. There are plenty of people that make that drive with no issues.
Great golfer but sounds like a danger on the road.
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ike wrote:
Now that he seems to be safe, I will add: WTF? Two single-vehicle accidents? Get a chauffeur. The guy is a menace behind the wheel. He one of the most important US athletes of the past 30 years, but this is not ok. Especially as cyclists, we should take a stand against such high-profile dangerous drivers.

are we counting the collision where hes being chased out of the house by an irate Ms Woods wielding a 2-iron. I think we gotta give him a pass on that one:) . On the others , I agree! Brutal driving and threat to public safety

And, he was once sponsored by a car company!
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slowguy wrote:
shady wrote:
ike wrote:
Now that he seems to be safe, I will add: WTF? Two single-vehicle accidents? Get a chauffeur. The guy is a menace behind the wheel. He one of the most important US athletes of the past 30 years, but this is not ok. Especially as cyclists, we should take a stand against such high-profile dangerous drivers.


are we counting the collision where hes being chased out of the house by an irate Ms Woods wielding a 2-iron. I think we gotta give him a pass on that one:) . On the others , I agree! Brutal driving and threat to public safety


In fairness, it's been widely reported that this particular stretch of road is known for causing accidents, for people driving faster downhill than they should, etc. Woods doesn't seem to be the only person who has had problems with this stretch of road.


I hear you. I am not saying he should serve some long prison stint or anything like that. But, it’s his third incident. Many people who have killed or seriously injured cyclists (as one example) could say that the stretch of road has had other incidents. When you lose control to the degree that he did here, it’s mostly luck whether or not you kill someone. He was not driving a Miata.

Sure, not making excuses for him.

That said, one incident was him hitting a fire hydrant right outside his house as he was being chased by an angry spouse with a golf club in hand. One was him asleep with the car stopped on the road due to medication interactions. Then this one where he was likely speeding down a curvy road that is known for cars going off the road.

Seems like he's mostly a vehicular menace to himself.

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So let’s get people on the record.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another full-field professional golf tournament?

I’ll say no.

Will Tiger Woods ever win another Major?

Obviously I’m saying no.

Agreed. His winning days are done if you don't count the Champions Tour. The Champions Tour is for pros who can't keep up with the younger folk. Tiger is 45. I didn't see him winning another Major *before* the crash. After? Forget about it. People who think otherwise are thinking with nostalgia, and not common sense.
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I live here. That this road is notorious for crashes would be news to me. He went thru the median and crashed on the other side, rolling ass over tea kettle.

This wasn’t the road
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I live here. That this road is notorious for crashes would be news to me. He went thru the median and crashed on the other side, rolling ass over tea kettle.

This wasn’t the road


Looks like a nice road in the pics. Is it safe for biking? ..wide shoulder?..moderate speed limit?
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I live here. That this road is notorious for crashes would be news to me. He went thru the median and crashed on the other side, rolling ass over tea kettle.

This wasn’t the road

One of the articles I read said there is actually an intentionally designed 100 yard long sand barrier there for cars and trucks that gain too much speed. Granted, it appears to be intended for vehicles traveling in the opposite direction! Sounds like crashes happen in relatively high frequency though.
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ChrisM wrote:
I live here. That this road is notorious for crashes would be news to me. He went thru the median and crashed on the other side, rolling ass over tea kettle.

This wasn’t the road


One of the articles I read said there is actually an intentionally designed 100 yard long sand barrier there for cars and trucks that gain too much speed. Granted, it appears to be intended for vehicles traveling in the opposite direction! Sounds like crashes happen in relatively high frequency though.


There is a runaway lane at the bottom, and I always want to drive up it :). I’ve never heard it being used but it’s there. I’ve always thought it odd as the street isn’t the longest or steepest or curviest. But it is wide - 4 lanes with median- which may encourage speeding

I do see the sheriff saying it’s well known for crashes so they know better than me. It’s just a very safe decent if you’re not driving like Tiger

And he was going downhill which is where the runaway lane is
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ChrisM wrote:
I live here. That this road is notorious for crashes would be news to me. He went thru the median and crashed on the other side, rolling ass over tea kettle.

This wasn’t the road


Looks like a nice road in the pics. Is it safe for biking? ..wide shoulder?..moderate speed limit?

I’ve been up and down it. Don’t ride it much and not sure why because it’s good pavement and wide shoulder.
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I live here. That this road is notorious for crashes would be news to me. He went thru the median and crashed on the other side, rolling ass over tea kettle.

This wasn’t the road

I'm with you. I live right around the corner and have been driving down that exact road for 20 years. Unless you are not paying attention, it's not the road.
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I need to hear from medical people on prognosis for recovery and rehab before I go on 'record'


It's only the LR, the penalties here for having an opinion aren't severe.

I would have bet that he would never win another major before this accident. He did win in April 2019 but even that was 2 years ago and he has had long bouts of injury/rehab since then, plus his recent back surgery. It was doubtful if he would be even back this year and with the fields seeming to get stronger (Jordan Spieth is playing well again, Dustin Johnson in his prime and the other threats like Rory, Rahm, Koepka, Schaffle etc) he would have to be at his best for 4 rounds.

Assuming this year is gone (it was likely a wash before the accident) he would be 46 at next year's Masters (Jack won at that age) but time is ticking.

After hearing about his leg injury, I bet he will not win a major and about 90% chance that he will never win another PGA event (not counting the Champions Tour).

I'm with you and I believe it was jpo, I didn't think he would win another major either but now, I just don't see how his body could hold up through all of the practice and then the 4 days of walking a course and the strength needed to be in contention.

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And he was going downhill which is where the runaway lane is


Ah, makes sense they mentioned it then. They didn’t say it was a runaway barrier or which direction. I looked at the scene on Google maps and I was looking at the wrong thing apparently.

Either way, thank god there wasn’t anyone oncoming in the lane he passed through.
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According to LA Sheriff’s Department, Woods was not intoxicated, and there are unlikely to be any charges. They also said there have been at least 13 vehicle accidents on that stretch of road since Jan 2020, so just under one per month.

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slowguy wrote:
According to LA Sheriff’s Department, Woods was not intoxicated, and there are unlikely to be any charges. They also said there have been at least 13 vehicle accidents on that stretch of road since Jan 2020, so just under one per month.

Wasn’t intoxicated, but officer on the scene said he had no clue how serious his injuries were. Adrenaline/shock (concussion?) can be a good thing sometimes.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]
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As much as I have wanted to see TW pass Jack's record and also as many times as I wrote him off doing that post his 2008 win at Torrey, the man came back and won the Masters in 2019. I was thrilled. I would love to again, but I see it playing out one of these ways (yes, Captain obvious here) going forward:

1. He calls it quits. TW has admitted that he can't practice as much, as long or as hard as he could earlier in his career due to all the injuries to his body - specifically his back. He has also admitted that he can't just roll into a tournament without the "reps" and play 4 days of highly competitive golf. We have seen that. He has a great first round, stiff the next round and if he makes the cut, a bit of the same over the next two days and voila ... finishes 25th or something. Hell even if he finishes 2nd ... that's not TW. He's in it to win it.

He is also seeing the importance of family more and more. The kids are getting older, he can now play and practice with Charlie. I could see him wanting to do more of that. He has his tournaments, his foundation ... he has plenty to keep him busy. He always used to say, "I'll play as long as I can compete".

2. He recovers from his wreck injuries (we still have no word on if his back held up to this), takes a year to recover, rehab and starts hitting balls again in about 8-9 months (making that timeline up, I'm no Doc). He misses the hell out of it and says, "I'm back" and gives it a go. Problem with all this is that he is 46+ .... he's still dealing with back issues and god knows what else, so he still can't put the reps in to prep for tourney's and truly be competitive. On top of that, all these other young guys are getting fitter and better a long the way. He was already having a hard time keeping up with them on the majority of courses. The exception was Augusta because it's a shotmakers course, putting is key and TW knows that place better than anyone ... it was like Mark Allen / Dave Scott at Kona ... they just flourished on that course.

Ben Hogan is a great comeback story, but I doubt it's one to be repeated. So many different variables today in terms of the quality of competitive players on tour ... and Hogan had an accident and recovered, he wasn't, to my knowledge, dealing with all the other injuries that TW has had over his career (back, achilles, knee's)

So .... My money is on #1. I think he thinks about his options, but several months down the road he realizes it's just not gonna be the same and he retires. Maybe there is some small chance he goes for the Sr Tour, but he has never really expressed a ton of desire for that, at least I haven't heard him talk about it. Some fun Pro-Ams, etc ... maybe, but I don't even know if I see that.

If he was in his 20's when this happened, I'd give him a shot, but at 45 and with his body, nada. I hate saying that, because he has been a golf Idol to me, but it just doesn't seem realistic. He proved me wrong after 2008 and I'd be pleased as punch if he did it again, just don't think he can, not saying he wouldn't want to.

FINAL point - yes, TW, get a freaking driver. I'm actually astonished they didn't have someone taking/picking him up at the hotel to bring him to the shoot.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [BIKE3] [ In reply to ]
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BIKE3 wrote:
No, I am not joking about winning, and a will to recover and compete. That’s why I asked.
Have you ever won after recovering from trauma car wreck?
I’ll further extend the parameters of the question and ask if you’ve ever worked hard have enough to win, and won without suffering trauma?

What does any of that have to do with Tiger Woods winning a golf tournament?
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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If you are genuinely asking, it’s all about TW winning a golf tournament.
1. Recover and compete
2. Winning after recovery
3. Working hard enough to win
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BIKE3 wrote:
If you are genuinely asking, it’s all about TW winning a golf tournament.
1. Recover and compete
2. Winning after recovery
3. Working hard enough to win



That's nice and all but that's assuming you can recover to compete. It's not about being tough or gritting your teeth, there are a lot of mechanics in golf that have nothing to do with recovering from an accident and running a triathlon. I did have a serious bike injury with 14 broken ribs, a concussion, 2 collapsed lungs, and 2 broken bones in my back. I can tough it out as much as I like but I'm not going to ever be able to run again.


Having a plate in your leg will likely really interfere with the mechanics of a golf swing. Tiger Woods has always been a hard worker but that's not enough to be the best golfer in the world. He has talent, athletic ability and good mechanics and an injury could simply end his chances of ever winning again.


He one 1 major since 2008. He worked very hard in that time and was slowed by injuries. It has nothing to do with his work ethic, it has to do with injuries and distractions taking away both the physical and mental abilities it takes to win in golf.


You make it sound like all he has to do is follow your lead, Just recover/compete, win after recovery and work hard enough to win. That might work in a stadium listening to a Tony Robbins motivational speech but in the real world, nonsense.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Your cowardice is exposed by your contempt. Your failure to answer either/both questions means you've seen nothing but my ass for years on race day.

I've never been to a recreational catered walk-jog. Send me a registration link :)
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BIKE3 wrote:
Your cowardice is exposed by your contempt. Your failure to answer either/both questions means you've seen nothing but my ass for years on race day.

No, it means I don't strut around like a rooster on the internet. :)

I have no problem with Tiger being your hero, though.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Two questions? One question? Either question? Still unanswered Trail.

:) "Well? We're waiting!" -- Judge Schmales :)
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [BIKE3] [ In reply to ]
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BIKE3 wrote:
Your cowardice is exposed by your contempt. Your failure to answer either/both questions means you've seen nothing but my ass for years on race day.

I've never been to a recreational catered walk-jog. Send me a registration link :)

You are embarrassing yourself.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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[quote] You make it sound like all he has to do is follow your lead, Just recover/compete, win after recovery and work hard enough to win. That might work in a stadium listening to a Tony Robbins motivational speech but in the real world, nonsense.[/quote]
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Tiger will follow his own lead. You followed yours to whatever post-crash ambulatory and psychological success that you have achieved. I followed my lead (btw, our injuries were similar). These real world successes are not nonsense.

Does Tony Robbins still do a schtick?
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [307trout] [ In reply to ]
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I'm devastated.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
shady wrote:
ike wrote:
Now that he seems to be safe, I will add: WTF? Two single-vehicle accidents? Get a chauffeur. The guy is a menace behind the wheel. He one of the most important US athletes of the past 30 years, but this is not ok. Especially as cyclists, we should take a stand against such high-profile dangerous drivers.


are we counting the collision where hes being chased out of the house by an irate Ms Woods wielding a 2-iron. I think we gotta give him a pass on that one:) . On the others , I agree! Brutal driving and threat to public safety

In fairness, it's been widely reported that this particular stretch of road is known for causing accidents, for people driving faster downhill than they should, etc. Woods doesn't seem to be the only person who has had problems with this stretch of road.

There’s no shortage of shitty drivers who don’t exercise common sense and drive like their lives depend on it. He may just be one of them. I’m the same age as Tiger and have zero accidents on my record, and average 25-30k miles per year on high speed congested roads.

Roads rarely if ever cause accidents. Drivers do. Two single vehicle accidents is a little concerning.

"The devil made me do it the first time, the second time I done it on my own" - W
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[quote] You make it sound like all he has to do is follow your lead, Just recover/compete, win after recovery and work hard enough to win. That might work in a stadium listening to a Tony Robbins motivational speech but in the real world, nonsense.


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Tiger will follow his own lead. You followed yours to whatever post-crash ambulatory and psychological success that you have achieved. I followed my lead (btw, our injuries were similar). These real world successes are not nonsense.

Does Tony Robbins still do a schtick?[/quote]



It was surprising to me but yes. A few friends in Thailand attended one of his courses online and there were massive numbers online. I thought he was long gone but still big followings.
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to the thread in general...

I would've bet that Alex Smith wouldn't have been able to come back, much less even walk normally, following his injury. Good to see that he was able to have made it back to a season of football. Seems like the odds would be against Tiger coming back to the same level of his game or even close to it.

However it's not a bet I would take because:

(1) Pro's aren't like us in terms of having unlimited access to the best resources to rehab, recover, plus the time to 100% make it their focus. There was an interesting article about Kevin Durant's recovery over the past two seasons from his torn achilles. Most folks just can't do what they do b/c of the stuff of normal life that we put time into that pros can get around. You know, work, family, etc.

(2) I'm not a betting man.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Dr. Oz says that Tiger will be back to playing golf in a year. My confidence that he will never return is now soaring.



https://www.tmz.com/...rn-golf-competition/

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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ChrisM wrote:
I live here. That this road is notorious for crashes would be news to me. He went thru the median and crashed on the other side, rolling ass over tea kettle.

This wasn’t the road


I'm with you. I live right around the corner and have been driving down that exact road for 20 years. Unless you are not paying attention, it's not the road.

Lots of talk now in the media about how dangerous that road is. If you live ther you know what to expect, but I have to admit that you can easily build up speed on that road if you aren't paying attention.

By the way, a friend of mine has a few souvenirs she picked up at the crash site if any of you want first dibs before she puts them on Ebay. We told her she is messed up in the head.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [torrey] [ In reply to ]
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torrey wrote:
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By the way, a friend of mine has a few souvenirs she picked up at the crash site if any of you want first dibs before she puts them on Ebay. We told her she is messed up in the head.

Seriously? Isn't that theft? And selling of stolen goods? I would hope she does, and gets arrested for it.

In some of the pics I saw carry-on luggage set aside on the grass. Gotta think there would have been some valuable or personal stuff in there. On so many levels your friend is messed up. Props to you for calling her out.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [40-Tude] [ In reply to ]
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40-Tude wrote:
torrey wrote:
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By the way, a friend of mine has a few souvenirs she picked up at the crash site if any of you want first dibs before she puts them on Ebay. We told her she is messed up in the head.


Seriously? Isn't that theft? And selling of stolen goods? I would hope she does, and gets arrested for it.

In some of the pics I saw carry-on luggage set aside on the grass. Gotta think there would have been some valuable or personal stuff in there. On so many levels your friend is messed up. Props to you for calling her out.

thats so f-ed up
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torrey wrote:
Bleucheese wrote:
ChrisM wrote:
I live here. That this road is notorious for crashes would be news to me. He went thru the median and crashed on the other side, rolling ass over tea kettle.

This wasn’t the road


I'm with you. I live right around the corner and have been driving down that exact road for 20 years. Unless you are not paying attention, it's not the road.


Lots of talk now in the media about how dangerous that road is. If you live ther you know what to expect, but I have to admit that you can easily build up speed on that road if you aren't paying attention..

Paying attention is the key phrase. That applies to any steep road anywhere.

Running this through my head, he was headed to the PV Country Club, it was early morning, so a few possibilities. One, he nodded off briefly, the road curved, and he hit the median. Two, he had a left turn coming up, he was late, maybe he was checking the GPS, took his eyes off the road a second, and whammo, hits the curb. Third, texting, speeding, and driving a car he was unfamiliar with.

I keep hearing how dangerous that road is, well maybe, but it is usually a very busy road. That in and of itself compounds the likelihood for crashes and fender benders. I myself have never seen an incident in over twenty years. The knuckleheads on Next Door (locals) seem to agree the danger is overstated, but again, they are familiar with the road.

The sheriff says it was an accident, which seems to be the case.

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Dr. Oz says that Tiger will be back to playing golf in a year. My confidence that he will never return is now soaring.



https://www.tmz.com/...rn-golf-competition/

Of course we'll see how this all plays out. And we can all look like idiots or fanboys.

But there are some serious differences with Smith. Tiger had the bones broken into pieces both high and low. He also had breaks in his ankle and foot. And no one will know yet how the impact affected his neck and back or what other tendon and ligament damage there was. Smith was 12 years younger when it happened, had a single really wicked break (not seeing any reports of tendon or ligament damage), 17 surgeries, and it was essentially 2 years between starts.

Even if this wreck didn't happen and you told me Tiger would not play a tournament until 02/01/2022 (when he will be 47) after the back surgery I would take the under if the bet was 1 more PGA Tour win and definitely the under on majors. With the wreck, I think 12 months is an extremely aggressive timeline, and that is assuming no setback in recovery, or further injuries to his back and neck.

We might be so ever so slightly less fucked.
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Re: TIGER WOODS - car crash [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Sure.

My point here though was if Dr Oz is saying it... there is no way it’s happening.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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40-Tude wrote:
torrey wrote:
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By the way, a friend of mine has a few souvenirs she picked up at the crash site if any of you want first dibs before she puts them on Ebay. We told her she is messed up in the head.


Seriously? Isn't that theft? And selling of stolen goods? I would hope she does, and gets arrested for it.

In some of the pics I saw carry-on luggage set aside on the grass. Gotta think there would have been some valuable or personal stuff in there. On so many levels your friend is messed up. Props to you for calling her out.
She had pics of the crash site and there were a number of people wandering around either taking pictures or other souvenirs. Like I said, it was messed up, but not sure it was illegal. If there is an accident on my street and the cars are towed away, is it illegal if I clean up the remaining debris?
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BLeP wrote:
Dr. Oz says that Tiger will be back to playing golf in a year. My confidence that he will never return is now soaring.

https://www.tmz.com/...rn-golf-competition/

I'll withhold judgement until Ben Greenfield weighs in.
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torrey wrote:
40-Tude wrote:
torrey wrote:
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By the way, a friend of mine has a few souvenirs she picked up at the crash site if any of you want first dibs before she puts them on Ebay. We told her she is messed up in the head.


Seriously? Isn't that theft? And selling of stolen goods? I would hope she does, and gets arrested for it.

In some of the pics I saw carry-on luggage set aside on the grass. Gotta think there would have been some valuable or personal stuff in there. On so many levels your friend is messed up. Props to you for calling her out.

She had pics of the crash site and there were a number of people wandering around either taking pictures or other souvenirs. Like I said, it was messed up, but not sure it was illegal. If there is an accident on my street and the cars are towed away, is it illegal if I clean up the remaining debris?

Clearly, would depends on the items and if before/after tow truck or other clean up.

If it's the luggage in the pics and/or items in them, yes clearly wrong/criminal.
If it's glass shards after a less than complete clean up and she's selling them as "Tiger Woods glass", then she's pretty slick/opportunistic... still messed up for different reasons.

It's like if an armored car flipped over and dollar bills are all over the scene - is it right to take? Before clean-up, no. After clean up and left behind (overlooked), I still say no. Should go back to the bank.
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40-Tude wrote:
torrey wrote:
She had pics of the crash site and there were a number of people wandering around either taking pictures or other souvenirs. Like I said, it was messed up, but not sure it was illegal. If there is an accident on my street and the cars are towed away, is it illegal if I clean up the remaining debris?


Clearly, would depends on the items and if before/after tow truck or other clean up.

If it's the luggage in the pics and/or items in them, yes clearly wrong/criminal.
If it's glass shards after a less than complete clean up and she's selling them as "Tiger Woods glass", then she's pretty slick/opportunistic... still messed up for different reasons.

It's like if an armored car flipped over and dollar bills are all over the scene - is it right to take? Before clean-up, no. After clean up and left behind (overlooked), I still say no. Should go back to the bank.
Dang, maybe she can come here (Eastern NM). The "clean up" by the police/wrecker driver after a wreck is minimal at best. Always lots of glass and bits of metal/plastic left on the shoulder of the road and out in the field where the car(s) came to rest. If the wreck involved one of the tricked out pickup trucks, there will be larger pieces of running boards, spoilers, mudguards, chrome molding, etc. laying around. Still messed up for a random person to pick up this stuff to sell on ebay, but I've stopped to throw stuff off the shoulder when I've come upon this trash when I've been on bike rides.

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
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