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Just got this email. Anyone think it will end up being cancelled later?

When we began the 2020 racing season, the IRONMAN triathlon community along with our host city partners were excited for what was shaping up to be a great year of racing ahead with more events and event locations than ever before.

The world, however, has since endured drastic and unprecedented impacts from the global COVID-19 pandemic that has created many uncertainties with conditions and circumstances seemingly evolving daily. While the majority of the of the 2020 North American IRONMAN Series has been impacted, as of today, September 4, the 2020 Visit Panama City Beach IRONMAN Florida and Visit Panama City Beach IRONMAN 70.3 Gulf Coast triathlons remains on the calendar as planned for November 7.

We would, however like to share an important change as the IRONMAN Athlete Village, transition and the finish line will now move to Pier Park, which is approximately five miles from the previous location of the Boardwalk Beach Resort. Updated course maps will be shared on the event website once available.

The health and well-being of our community is our primary concern and we have and will remain connected with our local health and public authorities as the race date nears to ensure we can put on a safe and positive race experience that you and our race communities expect and deserve. We are committed to conducting races in a way that reduces risk for athletes, volunteers, and host communities and will continue to utilize our Safe Return to Racing event guidelines, a series of comprehensive operating principles prepared in accordance with industry standards for open air endurance sporting events. Our teams have been building race plans with the very best in the industry and will continue their work with respective stakeholders to follow guidelines and recommendations in a manner consistent with each of IRONMAN’s local community objectives and within the expectations set by public health entities around the world as they relate to the impacts of COVID-19.

The decision to proceed, modify or postpone an event will be based on availability of community resources and ongoing event-specific risk assessment in coordination with the relevant healthcare and government authorities and the IRONMAN Global Medical Advisory Board, an independent medical advisory board focused on health and safety at events, who is engaged with the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the World Health Organization (WHO), and other relevant institutions regarding risk assessment and mitigation. Should any event changes be necessary, they will be communicated as soon as possible.

We are committed to bringing you the best event experience and appreciate your patience and understanding during this highly dynamic time.

Visit Panama City Beach President and CEO Dan Rowe:
“This year has been a challenging year for all events, but we are confident in IRONMAN and their established safety protocols. Every year we are amazed by the dedication and determination of these athletes and we are looking forward to welcoming back athletes for a well-run and safely administered sporting event.

“We have been honored to welcome athletes from all over the world who have raced in IRONMAN events hosted in our beautiful destination, and we are thrilled to invite those athletes back for the 2020 Visit Panama City Beach IRONMAN 70.3 Gulf Coast triathlon and 2020 Visit Panama City Beach IRONMAN Florida triathlon. With perfect beach weather and beautiful coastal scenery, we have undoubtably become the premier sports destination of the South, and we hope to give both new and returning athletes a safe, exciting and memorable experience racing on the Gulf Coast.”

Thank you and we look forward to seeing you at the races once again.

The IRONMAN Team
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Re: Update: IM Florida [runnerak47] [ In reply to ]
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Just got that email as well. Seems they are certainly planning to have the race (moving the finish, referencing updated course maps coming soon). Nothing is guaranteed but this is promising!
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Re: Update: IM Florida [runnerak47] [ In reply to ]
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They sent the same email for AZ 70.3 yesterday. It’s just a form email. I suspect the IMTX/Waco folks will be getting the same email.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
They sent the same email for AZ 70.3 yesterday. It’s just a form email. I suspect the IMTX/Waco folks will be getting the same email.

It is a form email but contains this: "We would, however like to share an important change as the IRONMAN Athlete Village, transition and the finish line will now move to Pier Park, which is approximately five miles from the previous location of the Boardwalk Beach Resort. Updated course maps will be shared on the event website once available."

I don't think the TX or AZ emails will contain that language, GMAN. You might need to just accept being wrong about this one.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [MFriendly] [ In reply to ]
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MFriendly wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
They sent the same email for AZ 70.3 yesterday. It’s just a form email. I suspect the IMTX/Waco folks will be getting the same email.

It is a form email but contains this: "We would, however like to share an important change as the IRONMAN Athlete Village, transition and the finish line will now move to Pier Park, which is approximately five miles from the previous location of the Boardwalk Beach Resort. Updated course maps will be shared on the event website once available."

I don't think the TX or AZ emails will contain that language, GMAN. You might need to just accept being wrong about this one.

The emails are identical with the exception of anything geographically specific. Did I really need to point that out? 🙄

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Re: Update: IM Florida [MFriendly] [ In reply to ]
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MFriendly wrote:
Just got that email as well. Seems they are certainly planning to have the race (moving the finish, referencing updated course maps coming soon). Nothing is guaranteed but this is promising!

Don't put too much stock in that. They did the same thing with Muncie 70.3 and it was cancelled.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [runnerak47] [ In reply to ]
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"The decision to proceed, modify or postpone an event will be based on availability of community resources........"

The big question is: Will they be able to attract enough volunteers?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [runnerak47] [ In reply to ]
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runnerak47 wrote:
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The decision to proceed, modify or postpone an event will be based on availability of community resources and ongoing event-specific risk assessment in coordination with the relevant healthcare and government authorities and the IRONMAN Global Medical Advisory Board, an independent medical advisory board focused on health and safety at events, who is engaged with the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the World Health Organization (WHO), and other relevant institutions regarding risk assessment and mitigation. Should any event changes be necessary, they will be communicated as soon as possible.
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This is the relevant part. I would -love- to see the event happen, but wouldn't count on it.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
runnerak47 wrote:
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The decision to proceed, modify or postpone an event will be based on availability of community resources and ongoing event-specific risk assessment in coordination with the relevant healthcare and government authorities and the IRONMAN Global Medical Advisory Board, an independent medical advisory board focused on health and safety at events, who is engaged with the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the World Health Organization (WHO), and other relevant institutions regarding risk assessment and mitigation. Should any event changes be necessary, they will be communicated as soon as possible.
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This is the relevant part. I would -love- to see the event happen, but wouldn't count on it.

This. When they really start having to nail down specifics, ~1-2 weeks before the race, there’s going to be an oh shit moment. Not to mention they are running a 70.3 at the same exact time. The logistics of doing both 140.6 and a 70.3 are already hard enough. Let alone during a worldwide pandemic with limited volunteers.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [MFriendly] [ In reply to ]
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The IMAZ 70.3 email says nothing of the village.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Thunder Beach Bike Week was canceled. Two weeks before IMFL. While certainly an event that draws a larger crowd than IMFL the wording in both articles does not sound promising for any large events in PCB.

https://thunderbeachproductions.com/press-releases/

https://www.google.com/...d.com/amp/5805312002

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Re: Update: IM Florida [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
Thunder Beach Bike Week was canceled. Two weeks before IMFL. While certainly an event that draws a larger crowd than IMFL the wording in both articles does not sound promising for any large events in PCB.

https://thunderbeachproductions.com/press-releases/

https://www.google.com/...d.com/amp/5805312002

You mentioned the size difference but ya, 2000 for a 1 day event vs 20k for 4 days is a pretty significant difference. It clearly states that it was pulled because of the private events that go on outside of the rally. You’re a little less likely to have house parties, bars filled to capacity and disturbances with 20k bikers compared with triathletes that are largely antisocial and asleep by 9pm lol
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Re: Update: IM Florida [T2LV] [ In reply to ]
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T2LV wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
Thunder Beach Bike Week was canceled. Two weeks before IMFL. While certainly an event that draws a larger crowd than IMFL the wording in both articles does not sound promising for any large events in PCB.

https://thunderbeachproductions.com/press-releases/

https://www.google.com/...d.com/amp/5805312002


You mentioned the size difference but ya, 2000 for a 1 day event vs 20k for 4 days is a pretty significant difference. It clearly states that it was pulled because of the private events that go on outside of the rally. You’re a little less likely to have house parties, bars filled to capacity and disturbances with 20k bikers compared with triathletes that are largely antisocial and asleep by 9pm lol

This is one of the problems with triathlon.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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cloy wrote:
T2LV wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
Thunder Beach Bike Week was canceled. Two weeks before IMFL. While certainly an event that draws a larger crowd than IMFL the wording in both articles does not sound promising for any large events in PCB.

https://thunderbeachproductions.com/press-releases/

https://www.google.com/...d.com/amp/5805312002


You mentioned the size difference but ya, 2000 for a 1 day event vs 20k for 4 days is a pretty significant difference. It clearly states that it was pulled because of the private events that go on outside of the rally. You’re a little less likely to have house parties, bars filled to capacity and disturbances with 20k bikers compared with triathletes that are largely antisocial and asleep by 9pm lol


This is one of the problems with triathlon.

LOL!

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [T2LV] [ In reply to ]
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T2LV wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
Thunder Beach Bike Week was canceled. Two weeks before IMFL. While certainly an event that draws a larger crowd than IMFL the wording in both articles does not sound promising for any large events in PCB.

https://thunderbeachproductions.com/press-releases/

https://www.google.com/...d.com/amp/5805312002

You mentioned the size difference but ya, 2000 for a 1 day event vs 20k for 4 days is a pretty significant difference. It clearly states that it was pulled because of the private events that go on outside of the rally. You’re a little less likely to have house parties, bars filled to capacity and disturbances with 20k bikers compared with triathletes that are largely antisocial and asleep by 9pm lol

Remember that both IMFL and GC70.3 are happening at the same time. Combined participant list is ~3,700. Plus the permitting would be for all those involved... athletes, staff, volunteers, vendors, and maybe spectators. So that number is probably 4,500+ people without factoring in spectators. Still less than the estimated 8k to 10k per day at the biker event but it’s not 2000 like you mentioned.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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No clue if this means anything but PCB city council recently approved the bike course closure per someone's facebook IMFL group post last week. Not sure if this the same thing as permit approval?
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Re: Update: IM Florida [Old lungs] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Update: IM Florida [Old lungs] [ In reply to ]
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Old lungs wrote:
No clue if this means anything but PCB city council recently approved the bike course closure per someone's facebook IMFL group post last week. Not sure if this the same thing as permit approval?


Old Lungs & Red,

All that means is they have approval to close the roads IF the race happens. That's a big IF.........

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Re: Update: IM Florida [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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If the event is held, there will be a minimum 20% COVID No Show rate off the participant list, but I don't know if IM will present the lower numbers to the council. Note also that PCB specifically did not mention IMFL when they listed other cancellations along with the Thunder Beach rally.

"The city stated that other major events, such as the Seabreeze Jazz Festival, Pepsi Gulf Coast Jam, UNwineD, Sand Jam, the Summer Concert Series, Real. Fun. Fourth., Pirates of the High Seas Fest, Beach Home for the Holidays and the New Year’s Eve Beach Ball Drop have been voluntarily postponed or been made virtual to reduce the spread of COVIDâ€19 in our community, and protect our vulnerable population. "

We'll have to see what they do, but I don't suspect they'll have as hard a time getting volunteers as some think. I was in Panama City this past weekend and wearing masks in public places seemed to be more of a suggested guideline with very low compliance at the places I went to. That is quite a difference from Tampa where compliance in restaurants and even gas stations is relatively good.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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I was in Panama City this past weekend and wearing masks in public places seemed to be more of a suggested guideline with very low compliance at the places I went to. That is quite a difference from Tampa where compliance in restaurants and even gas stations is relatively good.

Yet another reason to cancel the race.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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Meanwhile, in Clermont:

We're LIVE on October 24, 2020!
The Clermont City Council unanimously approved this year's Great Floridian Triathlon to be a live event on October 24! Participation will be limited so we can maintain social distancing and stringent safety guidelines will be in place.
We are now accepting new entries through September 30, with a limited number of new spots available. We encourage you to register early because once each event reaches it's participant cap, registration for that distance will close.
This will be a special year for the GFT as it marks the Great Floridian Triathlon's 30th year, making it the longest running independent full distance triathlon in the world! The full distance Great Floridian Triathlon is also the USA Triathlon Ultra-Distance National Championship and will qualify athletes for the 2021 World Championships!

The Great Floridian Multisport Festival has a race and distance for everyone! Don't miss out on a chance to participate in a live event this year, and be part of triathlon history.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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Great news
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Re: Update: IM Florida [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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Outstanding!
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Re: Update: IM Florida [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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Sommersports went live for the City Council meeting. The city was all about making this race happen but made the statement they have full authority to pull the permit at any point of Covid starts to climb again. They based the decision off Fred's first two Triathlon races that went very well.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
If the event is held, there will be a minimum 20% COVID No Show rate off the participant list, but I don't know if IM will present the lower numbers to the council. Note also that PCB specifically did not mention IMFL when they listed other cancellations along with the Thunder Beach rally.

"The city stated that other major events, such as the Seabreeze Jazz Festival, Pepsi Gulf Coast Jam, UNwineD, Sand Jam, the Summer Concert Series, Real. Fun. Fourth., Pirates of the High Seas Fest, Beach Home for the Holidays and the New Year’s Eve Beach Ball Drop have been voluntarily postponed or been made virtual to reduce the spread of COVIDâ€19 in our community, and protect our vulnerable population. "

We'll have to see what they do, but I don't suspect they'll have as hard a time getting volunteers as some think. I was in Panama City this past weekend and wearing masks in public places seemed to be more of a suggested guideline with very low compliance at the places I went to. That is quite a difference from Tampa where compliance in restaurants and even gas stations is relatively good.

I was also in PCB/30a area last week and I’d say less than 30% of folks wear masks down there. We tried to eat at a restaurant we like (allegedly at 50% capacity) and we walked right back to the car cuz that place was quite crowded. I bet Ironman would have zero issues getting volunteers. Many people in many places have moved on from covid for better or worse.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [triguy86] [ In reply to ]
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The local mask mandate in PCB ended Sept 8th
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Re: Update: IM Florida [triguy86] [ In reply to ]
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triguy86 wrote:
HuffNPuff wrote:
If the event is held, there will be a minimum 20% COVID No Show rate off the participant list, but I don't know if IM will present the lower numbers to the council. Note also that PCB specifically did not mention IMFL when they listed other cancellations along with the Thunder Beach rally.

"The city stated that other major events, such as the Seabreeze Jazz Festival, Pepsi Gulf Coast Jam, UNwineD, Sand Jam, the Summer Concert Series, Real. Fun. Fourth., Pirates of the High Seas Fest, Beach Home for the Holidays and the New Year’s Eve Beach Ball Drop have been voluntarily postponed or been made virtual to reduce the spread of COVIDâ€19 in our community, and protect our vulnerable population. "

We'll have to see what they do, but I don't suspect they'll have as hard a time getting volunteers as some think. I was in Panama City this past weekend and wearing masks in public places seemed to be more of a suggested guideline with very low compliance at the places I went to. That is quite a difference from Tampa where compliance in restaurants and even gas stations is relatively good.


I was also in PCB/30a area last week and I’d say less than 30% of folks wear masks down there. We tried to eat at a restaurant we like (allegedly at 50% capacity) and we walked right back to the car cuz that place was quite crowded. I bet Ironman would have zero issues getting volunteers. Many people in many places have moved on from covid for better or worse.

Yep, that's my take. I can't predict what PCB will do, but I've consistently stated in several threads on IM Florida that if Ironman gets the permit, this race will happen. As we get closer, I think the odds are improving. Based on the timing of the Thunder Beach cancellation, if PCB is going to cancel Ironman they will probably do it NLT 4 weeks before. We should know soon.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [CJHess] [ In reply to ]
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CJHess wrote:
The local mask mandate in PCB ended Sept 8th
Having one in the first place set them apart from the area. I don't believe the rest of Bay County ever made them mandatory.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
CJHess wrote:
The local mask mandate in PCB ended Sept 8th
Having one in the first place set them apart from the area. I don't believe the rest of Bay County ever made them mandatory.

Many businesses had their own “mandate”. I’m sorry, if a business ask “please wear a mask in our establishment” and you refuse, you’re a jackass.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [triguy86] [ In reply to ]
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triguy86 wrote:
HuffNPuff wrote:
CJHess wrote:
The local mask mandate in PCB ended Sept 8th
Having one in the first place set them apart from the area. I don't believe the rest of Bay County ever made them mandatory.


Many businesses had their own “mandate”. I’m sorry, if a business ask “please wear a mask in our establishment” and you refuse, you’re a jackass.

I did not see a single business in Panama City with a posted mask requirement. My wife and daughter did go shopping at Pier Park (PCB) and said there were some notices. I totally agree that people should respect the requirements of private business.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
triguy86 wrote:
HuffNPuff wrote:
CJHess wrote:
The local mask mandate in PCB ended Sept 8th
Having one in the first place set them apart from the area. I don't believe the rest of Bay County ever made them mandatory.


Many businesses had their own “mandate”. I’m sorry, if a business ask “please wear a mask in our establishment” and you refuse, you’re a jackass.

I did not see a single business in Panama City with a posted mask requirement. My wife and daughter did go shopping at Pier Park (PCB) and said there were some notices. I totally agree that people should respect the requirements of private business.

Weird. Almost every place I went had a “please wear a mask” sign. Like Publix, and people still refused. Jackasses.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [runnerak47] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure if this means anything about likelihood of the race happening, but I got the following email from Active recently:

We can't wait to see you at 2020 IRONMAN Florida! We are currently monitoring border and travel restrictions and understand that impacted athletes may have challenges in being able to travel and compete at 2020 IRONMAN Florida. We will continue to monitor border and travel restrictions and if the restrictions are still in place 30 days prior to race day, affected athletes will be offered a Free Deferral to next year’s event.

If you would like to remain registered for 2020 IRONMAN Florida, you are all set and no action is required at this time!

If you would like to select to defer to 2021 IRONMAN Florida now, please use the below link to select a deferral to 2021 IRONMAN Florida. Your entry for 2020 IRONMAN Florida will be cancelled and you will receive a link to register for 2021 IRONMAN Florida when registration opens. If you have reached out in the last 24-48 hours requesting a deferral, please use the below link to complete the process. Please complete all steps until you receive the confirmation page. Any links that are not fully completed will not be processed

Thank you for choosing to race with us. We wish you the very best in health and wellness, The IRONMAN team
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Re: Update: IM Florida [runnerak47] [ In reply to ]
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Looks to me like they are trying to reduce the size of the field and get a better idea of how many people want/will race to see if they have the means (staff, volunteers, transition space, etc) to put on a race with xxx of participants.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [runnerak47] [ In reply to ]
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runnerak47 wrote:
Not sure if this means anything about likelihood of the race happening, but I got the following email from Active recently:

We can't wait to see you at 2020 IRONMAN Florida! We are currently monitoring border and travel restrictions and understand that impacted athletes may have challenges in being able to travel and compete at 2020 IRONMAN Florida. We will continue to monitor border and travel restrictions and if the restrictions are still in place 30 days prior to race day, affected athletes will be offered a Free Deferral to next year’s event.

If you would like to remain registered for 2020 IRONMAN Florida, you are all set and no action is required at this time!

If you would like to select to defer to 2021 IRONMAN Florida now, please use the below link to select a deferral to 2021 IRONMAN Florida. Your entry for 2020 IRONMAN Florida will be cancelled and you will receive a link to register for 2021 IRONMAN Florida when registration opens. If you have reached out in the last 24-48 hours requesting a deferral, please use the below link to complete the process. Please complete all steps until you receive the confirmation page. Any links that are not fully completed will not be processed

Thank you for choosing to race with us. We wish you the very best in health and wellness, The IRONMAN team

I think this might be because some people may have travel quarantines that make it challenging when they go home. For example I think if you are coming from Canada or someplace you might end up with an isolation period when you get home and people might not want to go through that this year.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [runnerak47] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I got the same message. I went ahead and deferred to 2021, since it seems probable to me that the race will actually happen and travel logistics to and from Hawaii are not something I'm up for at this point. We still have the mandatory 14-day quarantine when you return to the island; theoretically starting Oct 15 you can get out of that with a negative Covid test within 72 hours before your arrival, but it doesn't sound like the state and its vendors really have everything worked out on that front.

It's strange to read about places with no mask requirement. Not that it has prevented a recent spike in cases on the Big Island, particularly on the Hilo side.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [ihersey] [ In reply to ]
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Apparently the Gov'r just opened the flood gates... restaurants and bars can return to 100% capacity as long as "social distancing" is observed...

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Re: Update: IM Florida [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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cloy wrote:
Apparently the Gov'r just opened the flood gates... restaurants and bars can return to 100% capacity as long as "social distancing" is observed...

Enhanced reopening policies are part of the reason why there might not be an IMFL. With no restrictions on bars and restaurants mixed with college/school COVID issues we are going to see a spike in Florida. It's inevitable and the trend will be fairly obvious just in time for permit decisions.

DeSantis is also about to crackdown on colleges and universities for their draconian (his words) COVID policies regarding student conduct and activity. I don't necessarily agree with the the way colleges are handling the situation by blaming the students for everything when the colleges themselves were ill-prepared and ill-equipped to deal with college kids acting like, well, college kids. Flip side of the coin you can't have the Governor giving what amounts to a free pass to college kids basically empowering the kids to tell their school admins to "fuck off" and we will party whenever, however, and whatever way we want.

This isn't meant to be political as I get the strange balancing act that someone like DeSantis is dealing with regarding economic versus public health but a tilt in one direction negatively affects the other. Opening up bars and allowing students to have a free-for-all is going to have consequences.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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The experts said Florida would have a huge spike after Labor Day. We didn't. What does he wait for? Businesses are closing everywhere. I'm good for testing the waters again. If it turns to shit, pull back a bit wait a few more months. We are better prepared now to treat people as well.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [Miamiamy] [ In reply to ]
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Two weeks isolation upon returning to Canada now and for foreseeable future

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If you look at Florida's actual case data, it shows a somewhat different picture. Yes, death rates have stayed relatively constant for a prolonged period however daily new cases have certainly been trending in the right direction as well as hostpilizations, which looks very positive. Looking at these graphs I'm not seeing the kind of calamity being discussed elsewhere and can see why DeSantis made this decision.


https://covidtracking.com/data/state/florida

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Re: Update: IM Florida [null-and-void] [ In reply to ]
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So I assume you’ve looked at the scientific data and are proposing sending all kids back to school full time since the death rate of INFECTED 0-19 is .00003? Or are you saying Desantis is right since the death rate for INFECTED 20-49 is .0002, and surely lower with extremely in shape triathletes? Just wondering.

https://www.cdc.gov/...nning-scenarios.html


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Re: Update: IM Florida [chriselam] [ In reply to ]
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Let’s drink a beer and just hope for a race
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Schonner wrote:
Let’s drink a beer and just hope for a race

This is the best post on slowtwitch.


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If you look at Florida's actual case data, it shows a somewhat different picture. Yes, death rates have stayed relatively constant for a prolonged period however daily new cases have certainly been trending in the right direction as well as hostpilizations, which looks very positive. Looking at these graphs I'm not seeing the kind of calamity being discussed elsewhere and can see why DeSantis made this decision.


https://covidtracking.com/data/state/florida

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Re: Update: IM Florida [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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I find it concerning that triathletes think "hey I am healthy it won't kill me if I get it"

you may be correct, But what about the 200,000 elderly and immune compromised that it has killed? most likely spread to them through asymptomatic people.

Do we as Americans not care about those people anymore? Is our race season more important?

Really, Just a question.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [surfNJmatt] [ In reply to ]
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There were two USAT sanctioned Triathlons over the last 4 weeks. There were 50, 60, 70, and even an 80 year old competing. The first one was the busiest I've ever seen that race. Too answer your question, Yes, all ages are ready to enjoy their hobby, be it Golf, Softball, Football, or Triathlon.

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I think America has mostly decided that it is okay. That’s my sense anyways. Sad but living in Ohio and taking care of these people I see what could have been.
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Sadly yes that seems to be many people’s thoughts. And not many think of the whole what the long term impact might be if I get it but don’t die. But mostly people are willing to sacrifice the old and compromised so they can race a damn triathlon or not wear a mask or go to a college football game or eat at a restaurant. But then again, look at the “president”.

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Carlin had it right many years ago: fence off a big area, call it a new state, and send all of those who don't care for a broader social contract to live there and let them do as they please. This should be easy, right, as DeSantis is of the party that likes building lots and lots of walls. And, best of all, this would be a ratings winner for Fox.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [null-and-void] [ In reply to ]
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This belongs in the lavender room.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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lavender room for sure
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Re: Update: IM Florida [surfNJmatt] [ In reply to ]
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I think we can do some triathlons without the infecting the elderly. Maybe the people that are at risk should skip the triathlon and the people that aren’t at risk can do it? Maybe the people that are at risk should quarantine and everyone else should go about their day?


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Re: Update: IM Florida [chriselam] [ In reply to ]
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I think we can do some triathlons without the infecting the elderly. Maybe the people that are at risk should skip the triathlon and the people that aren’t at risk can do it? Maybe the people that are at risk should quarantine and everyone else should go about their day?

Valid.

Hope to see this race happen this year.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Toothengineer wrote:
chriselam wrote:
I think we can do some triathlons without the infecting the elderly. Maybe the people that are at risk should skip the triathlon and the people that aren’t at risk can do it? Maybe the people that are at risk should quarantine and everyone else should go about their day?

Valid.

Hope to see this race happen this year.

What’s valid about it? It’s an extremely selfish proposition.

How about we act towards the greater good. Proposing the vulnerable lock themselves up so we can participate in a non-essential hobby is ridiculous. Think about what he said and you agreed with for a moment. 🙄

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Re: Update: IM Florida [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I would like to see races start to happen.

If you feel safe racing go race!

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Re: Update: IM Florida [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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I think it's going to start happening. I can see IMFL/GC 70.3 taking place, and shortly thereafter Challenge Daytona will take place. I think at this point, the people who have been "in the middle" and who have taken precautions since March are beginning to, for better or for worse, loosen up. N=1, but I surely won't go to a packed bar anytime soon, but I would certainly consider racing a socially distance M-dot race...

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Re: Update: IM Florida [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
Toothengineer wrote:
chriselam wrote:
I think we can do some triathlons without the infecting the elderly. Maybe the people that are at risk should skip the triathlon and the people that aren’t at risk can do it? Maybe the people that are at risk should quarantine and everyone else should go about their day?


Valid.

Hope to see this race happen this year.


What’s valid about it? It’s an extremely selfish proposition.

How about we act towards the greater good. Proposing the vulnerable lock themselves up so we can participate in a non-essential hobby is ridiculous. Think about what he said and you agreed with for a moment. 🙄

I understand your point, and I also understand that this is generally the point everyone is making. I disagree. I think healthy people going out and exposing themselves is exactly what needs to happen.

Also, if I tried to skateboard I would most definitely fall and hurt myself. Therefore I don't skateboard. Society is fine.


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chriselam wrote:
Maybe the people that are at risk should quarantine and everyone else should go about their day?

That may work for some at risk, but others at risk depend upon assistance from others who can't or won't quarantine. Therefore, all of us, if we care about the most vulnerable, should be cognizant of this during the pandemic and try to minimize the spread of COVID-19.

I'm not arguing that no triathlons should be happening at this time, but we all need to think about our choices and not just "go about (our) day" as we did pre COVID-19.
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I'm searching for a giant rolleyes emoji because the default one on my cell phone isn't large enough....

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null-and-void wrote:
Toothengineer wrote:
I would like to see races start to happen.

If you feel safe racing go race!


The problem is, I wouldn't feel safe if you decided to race and lived near me....

At the end of the day I'm fine with racing if it's allowed to happen. I wouldn't race this year but that's me.

I take umbrage with the line of crap that vulnerable people should remain locked up so everyone else can do as they please. That's just fucked up and selfish.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [null-and-void] [ In reply to ]
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Don’t race then.


--Chris
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Re: Update: IM Florida [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
null-and-void wrote:
Toothengineer wrote:
I would like to see races start to happen.

If you feel safe racing go race!


The problem is, I wouldn't feel safe if you decided to race and lived near me....


At the end of the day I'm fine with racing if it's allowed to happen. I wouldn't race this year but that's me.

I take umbrage with the line of crap that vulnerable people should remain locked up so everyone else can do as they please. That's just fucked up and selfish.

I am strongly considering doing the 70.3 race. That being said, I've already had a pretty strong case of COVID-19 back in March and have since tested negative. I do have lingering impacts from it and I won't be competitive in a race at this point. I understand that we know so little about the virus to date, but I would wager that I am at the lowest risk to transmit or contract the virus at this point.

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What’s selfish about it exactly?

No one is “locked up”. They just need to be careful. Because some people have to be extra cautious everyone else needs to also? That seems more selfish to me actually. I’m not high risk, but if I was the thought of kids not going to school, people losing jobs, homes being foreclosed on etc., just to keep me safe, would disgust me. Maybe I’m in the minority, but I don’t think I am.

Edit to say I like that this seems to be a conversation. If this were lavender room it wouldn’t be going this well.


--Chris
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Re: Update: IM Florida [MatthewLigman] [ In reply to ]
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MatthewLigman wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
null-and-void wrote:
Toothengineer wrote:
I would like to see races start to happen.

If you feel safe racing go race!


The problem is, I wouldn't feel safe if you decided to race and lived near me....


At the end of the day I'm fine with racing if it's allowed to happen. I wouldn't race this year but that's me.

I take umbrage with the line of crap that vulnerable people should remain locked up so everyone else can do as they please. That's just fucked up and selfish.


I am strongly considering doing the 70.3 race. That being said, I've already had a pretty strong case of COVID-19 back in March and have since tested negative. I do have lingering impacts from it and I won't be competitive in a race at this point. I understand that we know so little about the virus to date, but I would wager that I am at the lowest risk to transmit or contract the virus at this point.

Not trying to argue, but based on what? The fact that you had it back in March?

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Re: Update: IM Florida [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, having antibodies. But mostly, have developed proteins that block the virus to some extent.
https://www.nih.gov/...am%20led%20by%20Drs.

But I do read and know that there are issues.
https://www.nature.com/...s/d41586-020-00502-w

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Re: Update: IM Florida [MatthewLigman] [ In reply to ]
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I admit that I am willfully ignorant of the whole thing. I do the best I can to respect those around me. Getting caught in the details just adds confusion, fear, and unnecessary stress to my life.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I registered for IMFL and plan on doing it if it happens. I have been extremely careful and social distancing to the greatest extent possible since March. (Working 100% at home, only going to supermarket maybe 2x a month, training 100% solo). So, it’s not an easy decision to make. But, i also registered for the race a year ago.

The reason I would do this race is ultimately because I feel that I can personally control much of my environment and that I can personally take precautions to not put others at risk. It’s not necessarily racing itself that concerns me (so long as proper measures are taken)....it’s all the other things associated with racing. But, for me personally, I can drive myself to the race in my own car with my own food and supplies. I am also staying at an airbnb that has direct outside entry. And, I can quarantine upon my return as I will still be working from home. These factors make me feel at least a bit more comfortable with my own decision to race. And , I am trying not to fault myself for registering for something long before I knew what would happen. But, if I couldn’t drive there and if I couldn’t socially distance/quarantine before and after the race, I wouldn’t be going. My decision to race is still selfish...don’t get me wrong. But, I at least feel confident that my decisions outside of the race have been the best they can reasonably be.

What kills me more than anything, though, is that fact that I know people that have JUST registered for races. I know several folks who recently signed up for IM Cozumel because, for some reason, they just absolutely have to race this year. To me, that’s far more selfish. It’s one thing to already have a lot of money invested in a race and to decide to race in a responsible way. It’s a whole other thing, unless you’re a pro whose livelihood depends on racing, knowing what we know now, to decide to register for a travel race just because they feel they HAVE to race this year.
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Don’t race then.

No, you missed the point. Why should my health be compromised by someone who decides to race and not consider the broader social implications? Me, I respect the greater social good enough to have decide that I can wait until sometime next year to race.

If health officials determine it's ok to hold a race, or do anything else really, then it is not selfish to do so. If people choose to be even more cautious then they are more than welcome to and that is great - but it's not required in order to be a good person/citizen.

That said, if people are walking into establishments without a mask and/or are disregarding the local officials guidelines then that's selfish. I personally don't see the need to wear a mask, but it's required where I live so I do it when I'm out as required. I live in a pretty large vacation spot on the SE coast and unfortunately many of the travelers here have totally disregarded the large flashing signs all over the place indicating masks are required - that fires me up.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [swimswam1003] [ In reply to ]
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I registered for IMFL and plan on doing it if it happens. I have been extremely careful and social distancing to the greatest extent possible since March. (Working 100% at home, only going to supermarket maybe 2x a month, training 100% solo). So, it’s not an easy decision to make. But, i also registered for the race a year ago.

The reason I would do this race is ultimately because I feel that I can personally control much of my environment and that I can personally take precautions to not put others at risk. It’s not necessarily racing itself that concerns me (so long as proper measures are taken)....it’s all the other things associated with racing. But, for me personally, I can drive myself to the race in my own car with my own food and supplies. I am also staying at an airbnb that has direct outside entry. And, I can quarantine upon my return as I will still be working from home. These factors make me feel at least a bit more comfortable with my own decision to race. And , I am trying not to fault myself for registering for something long before I knew what would happen. But, if I couldn’t drive there and if I couldn’t socially distance/quarantine before and after the race, I wouldn’t be going. My decision to race is still selfish...don’t get me wrong. But, I at least feel confident that my decisions outside of the race have been the best they can reasonably be.

What kills me more than anything, though, is that fact that I know people that have JUST registered for races. I know several folks who recently signed up for IM Cozumel because, for some reason, they just absolutely have to race this year. To me, that’s far more selfish. It’s one thing to already have a lot of money invested in a race and to decide to race in a responsible way. It’s a whole other thing, unless you’re a pro whose livelihood depends on racing, knowing what we know now, to decide to register for a travel race just because they feel they HAVE to race this year.

I think this is just about the best reasoning for racing I have read on this site. The issue I have with so many about racing is they say "well don't race" or "make all of the old/sick people just stay at home". That is totally selfish and a terrible attitude in my opinion because those that say that are knowingly doing something risky to themselves and others but they do not seem to care about other lives they can impact. This is the reason we have over 20000 dead in the US. At the beginning of this people didn't want to stay at home for a few weeks or wear masks/social distance when we came out of the way to brief stay at home order. And now 6 months later we are no better than before.

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..... I personally don't see the need to wear a mask......

Seriously?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Tempe 70.3 and IMAZ are a GO. If anyone is curious to see how Tempe 70.3 is going to manage a race in these times, I would recommend checking out their race schedule and Athlete Guide on the website which goes into great detail how they plan on conducting the races with mitigation efforts in place.

https://www.ironman.com/im703-arizona-athletes

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japarker24 wrote:
Vols wrote:
..... I personally don't see the need to wear a mask......

Seriously?

Way to isolate a piece of what I said. I'm wearing one regardless of what I think.
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Vols wrote:
japarker24 wrote:
Vols wrote:
..... I personally don't see the need to wear a mask......


Seriously?


Way to isolate a piece of what I said. I'm wearing one regardless of what I think.

Regardless of whether or not you are wearing a mask, I'm curious as to why you "personally don't see the need to wear a mask"

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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japarker24 wrote:
Vols wrote:
japarker24 wrote:
Vols wrote:
..... I personally don't see the need to wear a mask......


Seriously?


Way to isolate a piece of what I said. I'm wearing one regardless of what I think.

Regardless of whether or not you are wearing a mask, I'm curious as to why you "personally don't see the need to wear a mask"

Enjoy your evening
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Re: Update: IM Florida [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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New cases and deaths are above where they were last time he reopened the state.

“Read the transcript.”
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New cases and deaths are above where they were last time he reopened the state.

They are?

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Last time meaning June.

“Read the transcript.”
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Last time meaning June.

So what? Since end of August these metrics are looking very good. You has a spike today but there are vagaries in the reporting, only 810 new cases yesterday. And the death rate has fallen since end of August by a factor of over 10.

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Toothengineer wrote:
I would like to see races start to happen.

If you feel safe racing go race!


The problem is, I wouldn't feel safe if you decided to race and lived near me....

Dont come to the race then? Do you feel safe if your neighbors goes to work? My neighboor's are ER docs I am a dentist should our other neighbors feel safe living near us? I guess depending on how you think about that determines how you feel about a race..... So would you feel less safe if I raced and you live near me? If you dont feel safe then diligently maintain safe social distances wear a mask (which you should do anyways). I would imagine races will give a slight boost to local economy as well; never a bad thing.

Once again if you dont feel safe dont race. But if we ever want to start racing again we need to figure out how to do it smart..... I know there where races run this past weekend not sure how they went but would be interested to know.

My personal thoughts: I think we have to start figuring out how to live in the new normal and part of the included racing.

(Just FYI had a friend die of Covid related symptoms 2 months ago so this virus has touched me very personally and I do take it quite seriously)

Sorry is derail the Florida thread. Once again I hope to see this race happen for all those ready to race.

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Agree! Spot on....RN here and I deal with this stuff everyday.

Let them race
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I think it's going to start happening. I can see IMFL/GC 70.3 taking place, and shortly thereafter Challenge Daytona will take place. I think at this point, the people who have been "in the middle" and who have taken precautions since March are beginning to, for better or for worse, loosen up. N=1, but I surely won't go to a packed bar anytime soon, but I would certainly consider racing a socially distance M-dot race...

I will be curious to see the total numbers at the Great Floridian (4 different race distances) on 24 Oct. It could be the first triathlon event in the state with ~500 or so.

Meanwhile, on 10 Sep 2020, PCB approved all the road closures for Ironman Florida. See resolution 20-172 in the attached. http://www.pcbgov.com/...-council/resolutions
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cloy wrote:
I think it's going to start happening. I can see IMFL/GC 70.3 taking place, and shortly thereafter Challenge Daytona will take place. I think at this point, the people who have been "in the middle" and who have taken precautions since March are beginning to, for better or for worse, loosen up. N=1, but I surely won't go to a packed bar anytime soon, but I would certainly consider racing a socially distance M-dot race...


I will be curious to see the total numbers at the Great Floridian (4 different race distances) on 24 Oct. It could be the first triathlon event in the state with ~500 or so.

Meanwhile, on 10 Sep 2020, PCB approved all the road closures for Ironman Florida. See resolution 20-172 in the attached. http://www.pcbgov.com/...-council/resolutions

The Great Floridian has had a COVID-sized crowd ever since I remember, even far before COVID. haha

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GFT has been slowly dying for years, but I expect they will get much bigger numbers this year. It's the 30th anniversary, it is the Ultra National Championship, and the Ironman competition, and even small race competition has been decimated due to COVID. Depending on their permit cap, this might be a banner year for Fred Sommers.
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"Smart" and "Florida" are not two words that often collide in sentences these days.

The biggest difference is the participation in an optional activity versus having to attend a place of employment. Given how Florida has been gaming their stats since early summer, I don't know how anyone can make an informed risk evaluation associated with his/her participation. Anecdotal reports are not data, either.

I get that people are tired of pandemic restrictions and that they want to race; I do, too. What I don't get is how waiting six - twelve more months for an optional activity should be that big of a deal for the participants, when there is so much upside for the greater good. Just check how South Dakota is doing these days, where social responsibility hasn't made it into the regional vernacular.

I said my piece. No need to convince me otherwise, nor will I attempt to promote the value of a broad social contract in this space any longer. Race, try to not to infect someone who wasn't at the venue, and go for it.

Agree .... slightly disagree.... agree ..... We are good :-)

(I have stayed out of these conversions on FB / IG / Twitter)

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The GMAN wrote:
Toothengineer wrote:
chriselam wrote:
I think we can do some triathlons without the infecting the elderly. Maybe the people that are at risk should skip the triathlon and the people that aren’t at risk can do it? Maybe the people that are at risk should quarantine and everyone else should go about their day?

Valid.

Hope to see this race happen this year.

What’s valid about it? It’s an extremely selfish proposition.

How about we act towards the greater good. Proposing the vulnerable lock themselves up so we can participate in a non-essential hobby is ridiculous. Think about what he said and you agreed with for a moment. 🙄
I keep going back to the story in Maine where 3 died from Covid and they did not attend the wedding where Covid was spread. Even the at risk who stay away are at risk from others.
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It’s actually seven people that died due to the wedding. Not a single one of the seven was at the wedding.

https://www.cbsnews.com/...linked-7-deaths/#app

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I heard the PTO is now offering a Pro purse at the GFT. I know at least one Kona Pro that is racing it now.

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Thunder beach is back on:
https://thunderbeachproductions.com/

Ironman Florida website has taken down the old course maps. I assume they are planning on posting new maps reflecting the changes in the start/finish/transition at Pier Park.
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Thunder beach is back on:
https://thunderbeachproductions.com/

Ironman Florida website has taken down the old course maps. I assume they are planning on posting new maps reflecting the changes in the start/finish/transition at Pier Park.

Perfect.......tens of thousands of people partying exactly 2 or 3 weeks before IMFL. Just what we needed........

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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CJHess wrote:
Thunder beach is back on:
https://thunderbeachproductions.com/

Ironman Florida website has taken down the old course maps. I assume they are planning on posting new maps reflecting the changes in the start/finish/transition at Pier Park.


Interesting. I had checked the council calendar earlier today and it wasn't there but it (Thunder beach) is now. Regardless, Ironman is on the City Council Calendar. Road closures were approved back on 10 Sep. It sure looks favorable. I will reiterate what I said months ago; if Ironman gets the permit, this race is a go.
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Here's the permit approval for Ironman Florida.

https://www.wjhg.com/...-ironman-triathlons/
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New course maps have been posted

https://www.ironman.com/im-florida-course
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Looks like the 70.3 starts at 11 am.

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japarker24 wrote:
Vols wrote:
japarker24 wrote:
Vols wrote:
..... I personally don't see the need to wear a mask......


Seriously?


Way to isolate a piece of what I said. I'm wearing one regardless of what I think.


Regardless of whether or not you are wearing a mask, I'm curious as to why you "personally don't see the need to wear a mask"

Probably just to piss you off
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Schonner wrote:
japarker24 wrote:
Vols wrote:
japarker24 wrote:
Vols wrote:
..... I personally don't see the need to wear a mask......


Seriously?


Way to isolate a piece of what I said. I'm wearing one regardless of what I think.


Regardless of whether or not you are wearing a mask, I'm curious as to why you "personally don't see the need to wear a mask"

Probably just to piss you off

I’m no snowflake.....Gonna take a whole lot more than that to piss me off.

But, I’m always willing to learn & try to make myself a better person. No better way than to try and have a civil conversation with people who hold opposing views.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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There’s opposing views and then there’s science denying dumbasses. Hard to hold civil conversations with morons.

Not saying Vols is any of those, just a general comment to japarker.

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There’s opposing views and then there’s science denying dumbasses. Hard to hold civil conversations with morons.

Not saying Vols is any of those, just a general comment to japarker.

Thanks for the post. I'm not a science denying dumbass - at least not the science denying part. I chose to not respond any further as the poster took a snippet of what I said and ignored the rest - clearly, if you take a snippet it doesn't look good. Having dialogue with people that choose to take that approach to conversation is pointless.

I wear a mask when required.

In any case, I'm glad the races appear to be going forward. I think GCT was my first half IM in around 2002 and would be racing it for the 10th time this year if it wasn't for a stress fracture that's kept me from running since late August. Admittedly, an 11am start time sounds awesome, although I do enjoy being able to start drinking beer before 11am when it's the typical 6am start.
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Don’t race then.


No, you missed the point. Why should my health be compromised by someone who decides to race and not consider the broader social implications? Me, I respect the greater social good enough to have decide that I can wait until sometime next year to race.


If health officials determine it's ok to hold a race, or do anything else really, then it is not selfish to do so. If people choose to be even more cautious then they are more than welcome to and that is great - but it's not required in order to be a good person/citizen.

That said, if people are walking into establishments without a mask and/or are disregarding the local officials guidelines then that's selfish. I personally don't see the need to wear a mask, but it's required where I live so I do it when I'm out as required. I live in a pretty large vacation spot on the SE coast and unfortunately many of the travelers here have totally disregarded the large flashing signs all over the place indicating masks are required - that fires me up.

I would like to hear more of your thoughts on the bold part.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Vols wrote:
null-and-void wrote:
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Don’t race then.


No, you missed the point. Why should my health be compromised by someone who decides to race and not consider the broader social implications? Me, I respect the greater social good enough to have decide that I can wait until sometime next year to race.


If health officials determine it's ok to hold a race, or do anything else really, then it is not selfish to do so. If people choose to be even more cautious then they are more than welcome to and that is great - but it's not required in order to be a good person/citizen.

That said, if people are walking into establishments without a mask and/or are disregarding the local officials guidelines then that's selfish. I personally don't see the need to wear a mask, but it's required where I live so I do it when I'm out as required. I live in a pretty large vacation spot on the SE coast and unfortunately many of the travelers here have totally disregarded the large flashing signs all over the place indicating masks are required - that fires me up.

I would like to hear more of your thoughts on the bold part.

Enjoy your day.
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There’s opposing views and then there’s science denying dumbasses. Hard to hold civil conversations with morons.


Not saying Vols is any of those, just a general comment to japarker.


Thanks for the post. I'm not a science denying dumbass - at least not the science denying part. I chose to not respond any further as the poster took a snippet of what I said and ignored the rest - clearly, if you take a snippet it doesn't look good. Having dialogue with people that choose to take that approach to conversation is pointless.

I wear a mask when required.

In any case, I'm glad the races appear to be going forward. I think GCT was my first half IM in around 2002 and would be racing it for the 10th time this year if it wasn't for a stress fracture that's kept me from running since late August. Admittedly, an 11am start time sounds awesome, although I do enjoy being able to start drinking beer before 11am when it's the typical 6am start.



In another post you also said I don't see the need to wear a mask


And while I appreciate that you are prepared to comply with lawful requests or instruction to wear a mask, I am curious as to why you don't see the need. There are all sorts of statistics available that might suggest a mask is useful in not getting and not giving the virus, in a variety of situations. So have you a natural immunity, antibodies from a previous infection. Perhaps you have no fear of infection as you are of an age, health, body type, genealogical lineage that is unaffected.


In some communities and cultures it has been considered good manners to wear a mask in public, and those communities seem to have effectively controlled the virus. So as you live in a country who's experience with this virus is less than stellar, can you correlate the two.


Would you consider letting us know.
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I personally don't see the need to wear a mask, but it's required where I live so I do it when I'm out as required.

That was my initial comment. Reading comprehension is difficult - there was no course reversal anywhere. I'm not going to entertain discussion - regardless of my thoughts, I'm wearing mask when required. I'm sorry if the comments in my post offend.
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Guys - This thread is about Ironman Florida. He said he wears a mask, but all you want to do is pick on him. Move on.

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I didn't think my query was picking on him. We live in troubled times and the poster made a curious remark and I thought I asked, quite politely, what drove that response. As for the thread being about Ironman Florida, that's quite correct and equally relevant.

A poster that says "If health officials determine it's ok to hold a race, or do anything else really, then it is not selfish to do so." Who essentially appears to say I'll wear a mask, but I don't believe in them should expect a query or be considered, dare I say, a troll.

We are all well aware that this pandemic, in the USA particularly, has been driven by politics. The idea that a Health Department will declare something safe when it isn't, is not out of the realm of reality. So once again the question is quite relevant, millions are relying on sensible advice from their municipal, local, City, State and Federal government and at each level, depending on the politics, the advice is different. I only have to say the names Fauci, CDC and WHO to drive that home.
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We are all well aware that this pandemic, in the USA particularly, has been driven by politics. The idea that a Health Department will declare something safe when it isn't, is not out of the realm of reality. So once again the question is quite relevant, millions are relying on sensible advice from their municipal, local, City, State and Federal government and at each level, depending on the politics, the advice is different. I only have to say the names Fauci, CDC and WHO to drive that home.


There have been concerns since April that Florida has been gaming their Covid data, with the goal of presenting data in the most positive light. From a recent Pew article: "In Florida, the state health department counted as COVID-19 deaths only people who claimed residency in Florida, whereas medical examiners included anyone who visited or lived there part-time and had died in the state." Given the leadership inclinations in this particular state, there is absolutely no reason to believe that any mass gathering event is reasonable at this time. The question regarding masks is relevant in this context.

People are going down there and bringing it home with them. I considered IM 70.3 Haines City in December here recently, but then logic kicked in. One it's not worth it, and two it will almost certainly be cancelled.

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We are all well aware that this pandemic, in the USA particularly, has been driven by politics. ...



There have been concerns since April that Florida has been gaming their Covid data, ....


People are going down there and bringing it home with them. I considered IM 70.3 Haines City in December here recently, but then logic kicked in. One it's not worth it, and two it will almost certainly be cancelled.

Whether Haines City is worth it or not is a discussion for the Lavender Room. However, I think you are flat wrong that the race will be cancelled. I predicted many months ago in a related IM Florida thread that PCB would grant the permit and that Ironman would proceed to hold the race. With both the GFT and IMFL already in possession of their permits and moving forward their races, it is highly UNLIKELY that rural Haines City would not grant the permit for IM70.3 Florida. Similarly, you can bet on the Treasure Coast Half-Iron (Nov 15) and Challenge Daytona (Dec 5) also going forward.
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I'm not a science denying dumbass - at least not the science denying part.

In some communities and cultures it has been considered good manners to wear a mask in public, and those communities seem to have effectively controlled the virus. So as you live in a country who's experience with this virus is less than stellar, can you correlate the two.

Here's what the Oxford University Center for Evidence Based Medicine says about that logic: "We consider it is unwise to infer causation based on regional geographical observations as several proponents of masks have done. Spikes in cases can easily refute correlations, compliance with masks and other measures is often variable, and confounders cannot be accounted for in such observational research. "

Oxford has released two papers on masks this year. Earlier in the year they lamented the lack of scientific evidence. They did not claim that masks work or do not work, but simply stated that the objective science was lacking. In July Oxford doubled down in another paper and concluded the following: "The small number of trials and lateness in the pandemic cycle is unlikely to give us reasonably clear answers and guide decision-makers. This abandonment of the scientific modus operandi and lack of foresight has left the field wide open for the play of opinions, radical views and political influence. " 23 July 2020 Masking Lack of Evidence with Politics

Let me paraphrase the conclusion of these leading epidemiologists -- the existing science on masks is shit.
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Let me paraphrase the conclusion of these leading epidemiologists -- the existing science on masks is shit.


Interesting Is that response somewhere in this article from July 2020


https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-oxford-covid-19-study-face-masks-and-coverings-work-act-now


or this from the Oxford University Hospitals Sept 10th


https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/working-for-us/staff/covid-staff-faqs-masks.aspx


or perhaps it's in this one


https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/science-blog/face-coverings-made-compulsory-after-oxford-covid-19-study-inspires-debate


No it's not in any of them it's in a non scientific opinion from the CEBM , a think tank that is neither peer reviewed because they are opinions and does not actually do any science itself. Here is their own


Disclosure:


Tom Jefferson is a senior associate tutor and honorary research fellow, Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, University of Oxford. Disclosure statement is here
A little research shows he's also an anti vaxxer.
Carl Heneghan is Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine, University of Oxford, Director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine and Editor in Chief of BMJ EBM He is in fact a GP.


But it sure plays into the hands of suckers like you.




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Wearing only a mask is inconsiderate of the health of the community. You should be wearing a mask in conjunction with a face shield and frequently changed latex surgical gloves.

Everything else is a half measure.
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True to the state this thread is named after -- it has become a complete shit show.

Yikes.

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I'm not an anti-vaxer and will gladly line up for the first effective COVID vax. I do think the science on masks is shit though. For practical policy and a realistic discussion on the value of masks, I think more nuanced views of Dr Osterholm are spot on.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/commentary-my-views-cloth-face-coverings-public-preventing-covid-19
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"We don't know how well cloth masks work, so distancing should come first, but masks are likely to work to some extent and not everyone can distance themselves."

The statement at the end of his article.

Reading through it's obvious his biggest concern is that too many masks are not of sufficient quality to provide full protection, which leaves me with the impression that something is better than nothing, and nothing is better than an N95 quality. Especially if physical distancing is not possible or practical. Seems to me that once anyone leaves the confines of their home, to all intents and purposes there is never going to be a guarantee of physical distancing.


Nowhere did I see the words from him that the science on masks is shit.
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Gee I checked on this thread because it referenced IM Florida....so confused. Talk about IM Florida and move the non-triathlon noise to the street.
Don't take yourselves so seriously; we're all having a tough year and learning a new normal

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Really, because the protection requirements have had so little effect on the number of races available.

Today marks one year, to the day since I last raced. One of the reasons that has happened in NA is because so many people have failed, miserably to abide by the simplest of things, wear a mask, wash your hand and keep a sensible distance between people. It's the middle of October, and other countries that did those things are now open for business and I'm dealing with a second wave.

The US on the other hand has just been one continuous ripple wave. But you know, when's the race going to open......strewth.

Of course we shouldn't take it so seriously, one sister and niece (on oxygen), two children(recovered), one high school friend (didn't make it), my lawyer (and friend of 40 years) later....yeah it's nothing
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It’s everyone’s fault you have not raced in one year??

There’s another thread on here you may interested in. I think it’s called cry like a biatch.
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Yes. It is the fault of the many many many Americans who refused to lock down and refuse to wear a mask and social distance. That is the reason why this virus is still spreading. Is that hard to wrap your head around?

And of course the government officials are at fault too for not doing their part.

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LOL!!!!

Its everyone else's fault.

(don't look here you will just flake out even more but the WHO just said lockdowns are not working and to stop doing it. But hey, that's hard of get your head wrapped around.).
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Rideon77 wrote:
LOL!!!!

Its everyone else's fault.

(don't look here you will just flake out even more but the WHO just said lockdowns are not working and to stop doing it. But hey, that's hard of get your head wrapped around.).

You may want to re-read the WHO’s latest guidance on lockdowns. It doesn’t say what you think it says. You’re woefully misinterpreting things.

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Goodness, can we not move this to the lavender room? It's my fault for saying I don't see the need to wear a mask but I do so as required, regardless of personal feeling.

I should have known that would generate the extremists of either side that type paragraphs as if anyone thinking differently actually cares. I take it back.

Im excited and glad people will get to race. I like the new course.
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To keep it simple

IM Florida 70.3 (what used to be called a Tinman) Nov 7th Sold out. Community Entry available at $1400

As of Oct 11th Florida had 5,570 new cases, 178 deaths, with 3 weeks to go this may rise.

Go for it.
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Anonymous people with big cojones, dime a dozen.
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Florida’s cases are once again heading in the wrong direction. After weeks of being in the 2,000s we are now firmly back in 3,000+ territory and went above 4,000 today. I know a week doesn’t necessarily make a trend but things are trending up in other states and Florida will be no different. If we start seeing numbers go up significantly, like increasing to 5000-6000 average per day over the next three weeks, I feel the two FL races will be in serious jeopardy. The Bay County area has been pretty measured and conservative with their COVID response (by FL standards) and if Florida COVID cases start making headlines again I feel the races will be canceled..

The AZ 70.3 this weekend might be the only US race that goes off. The timing is just going to work before the second wave starts to get hold.

Just my $.02.

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To keep it simple

IM Florida 70.3 (what used to be called a Tinman) Nov 7th Sold out. Community Entry available at $1400

As of Oct 11th Florida had 5,570 new cases, 178 deaths, with 3 weeks to go this may rise.

Go for it.

In fairness, that 5500 number was two days worth of data. That stated numbers have been creeping up (and significantly, IMO) this week as I noted in my most recent post.

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Only Bay County cases matter. PCB packed today. Big swim meet at Frank Brown Park this morning. Was driving up 79 to Hwy 20 and saw several groups of triathletes and lots of soloists out riding the course. 3 weeks to go.
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With basically a week to go I think this could be one of those races that could be a race week call as to whether it goes or not.

Here are the 7/5/3 day moving averages for FL and Bay County as of today:
FL - 4068/4324/4648
Bay Co - 30/36/39

Here's what it was a week ago:
FL - 3335/3352/3797
Bay Co - 27/35/40

10 days ago:
FL - 2986/2819/2505
Bay Co - 18/18/19

So there's been a significant uptick in cases in both FL and Bay County over the last 10 days with Bay Co. holding steady over the last week. Positivity rate is climbing as well.

There's no doubt the COVID situation is about to go sideways on us again. This race might squeak in under the wire before things really start turning south. I think the race would be canceled if this race were two weeks or three weeks from now. With a week to go it just might get approved. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets canceled though. Is anyone in the PCB area hearing anything beyond the vague and ambiguous "race is going forward for now"?

IM Arizona is the one in real jeopardy, IMO.

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When it comes to Ironman Florida, you are forever the pessimist and I am forever the optimist. Yes, numbers are going up - no question, but I cannot see this race being cancelled. As a related example, the Central Panhandle Fair opened today in Panama City for Fri, Sat and Sun. I would bet that Ironman's covid precautions are far better than the carnival operator. Note also that the PCB City Council met on 22 Oct 2020 without any discussion of COVID. Their next regular meeting is 12 Nov 2020. As far back as early July I've said on ST that this race will happen and I'm still holding to that. Neither Ironman nor PCB will pull the plug. Athletes can/should make their own decision whether they are personally at risk and should or should not race.
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Realist and pessimist are not the same thing.

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I've never said it should happen, only that it will happen. I think my forecast is more realistic than yours. Next week, we'll find out.
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It'll happen, whether it's in the public's best interest or not.

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Yeah the county isn't going to cancel it and neither is the governor.

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Yeah the county isn't going to cancel it and neither is the governor.

Unless BIden proves to be the victor... then he and the demorats will shut it down for sure.

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I've never said it should happen, only that it will happen. I think my forecast is more realistic than yours. Next week, we'll find out.


Just so we are clear, my stance has never been on the should or shouldn't happen part either. IMO, I don't think there's a huge risk in doing sports outside with what we now know. I'd do an Ironman outside ten times before I set foot inside a gym to workout. The risk with outdoor endurance events is what happens around the event itself (crowded start/finish areas, indoor expos, check-in, athlete briefings, banquets, awards) and with volunteers. Seems they have mitigated the stuff that causes crowding (expos, check-in, briefings, banquet, awards) by either not having them or virtually having them or designating specific times with small numbers. I do have some concerns with volunteers still but sounds like all drinks and stuff have remained sealed so they shouldn't be able to finger fuck my drink cups and such, which always skeeved me out at events in the past.

The local govt should have a grasp on whether or not they can extend emergency services to the event. Not my call.

Where I always take a realistic view is the optics of events and how it can be perceived. Having something non-essential and frivolous in a locale that is experiencing an obvious trend in the wrong direction will just never play well with the majority of people. Lubbock was the prime example of this. Numbers started creeping up badly in the couple of weeks leading to the race. But the optics on November 7th in FL/Bay Co. will likely be different than November 14th or November 21st. I personally don't think the optics will look good come next weekend either if there's another 25% uptick next week but like I said... it might squeak in before the shit really starts hitting the fan and we start seeing numbers like we saw this summer.

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I'd like to also add that, IMO, until we get an established and well distributed vaccine that I think races will continue to proceed or get canceled based on timing, sprinkled with a bit of local politics. AZ70.3 happened when COVID cases were at it's likely lowest point for the last quarter of the year. IMAZ five weeks later is going to be a different data point. Cases have more than doubled in the last month and are currently 2.5x what they were on race day for the 70.3.

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I'd like to also add that, IMO, until we get an established and well distributed vaccine that I think races will continue to proceed or get canceled based on timing, sprinkled with a bit of local politics. AZ70.3 happened when COVID cases were at it's likely lowest point for the last quarter of the year. IMAZ five weeks later is going to be a different data point. Cases have more than doubled in the last month and are currently 2.5x what they were on race day for the 70.3.


Also won't matter, we are having that race. Tempe is committed, the economic benefit is their focus. Our cases are up but it's not nearly as bad as it was and it's only a marginal upward trend. We have been in the 900-1300 daily new case range for about two weeks. There's an interactive chart at the bottom of this link showing daily new cases and deaths. We aren't that much higher then 2 weeks ago when we had Tempe 70.3 in daily new cases and if you switch over to deaths its a dramatic improvement.

https://www.azcentral.com/...o2qgdEVAG-Zn7zI1S2lg

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cloy wrote:
Bryancd wrote:
Yeah the county isn't going to cancel it and neither is the governor.

Unless BIden proves to be the victor... then he and the demorats will shut it down for sure.

Please explain to me how Biden and the Democrats are going to do anything in 2020 after they win the White House and Senate on Tuesday?
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turningscrews wrote:
cloy wrote:
Bryancd wrote:
Yeah the county isn't going to cancel it and neither is the governor.


Unless BIden proves to be the victor... then he and the demorats will shut it down for sure.


Please explain to me how Biden and the Democrats are going to do anything in 2020 after they win the White House and Senate on Tuesday?

It is in pink, so.....

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turningscrews wrote:
cloy wrote:
Bryancd wrote:
Yeah the county isn't going to cancel it and neither is the governor.


Unless BIden proves to be the victor... then he and the demorats will shut it down for sure.


Please explain to me how Biden and the Democrats are going to do anything in 2020 after they win the White House and Senate on Tuesday?

The Deep State has its ways.

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I don't think there's a huge risk in doing sports outside with what we now know. I'd do an Ironman outside ten times before I set foot inside a gym to workout.

Amen to that.
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Outdoor is safer yes but the bad wrap that gyms are getting is criminal. I just don't see the data pointing to gyms being a problem anywhere. I haven't seen 1 gym shut down due to an outbreak. Utah spread is over 65% due to people that are family, friends or close contacts. Next biggest contributer is workplace, then long term care.

If you have been into a gym lately you would see why it isnt what you envision, most gyms have pretty good sanitation and cleaning going on.
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That’s early COVID thinking when the concern was touch. Not discounting the importance of the touch/contact issue but far and away the biggest issue with COVID is the airborne spread. Gyms are full of maskless people breathing hard in an indoor space. That’s a problem. Gyms can sanitize and wipe down all they want but the ventilation system is the real fault system.

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Never said surface contact was the issue but until a health dept can show me that a gym is responsible or pin cases or an outbreak happens there I will continue to defend gyms. Data and factual examples speak louder to me. Social distancing is happening at gyms and masks are worn during entrance and exit. So... gyms for me they are no riskier than any costco, grocery store, gas station, etc...

The most risky area are indoor group gatherings of family and friends that closely interact. Where social distancing and masks are few and far between.
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I'd like to also add that, IMO, until we get an established and well distributed vaccine that I think races will continue to proceed or get canceled based on timing, sprinkled with a bit of local politics. AZ70.3 happened when COVID cases were at it's likely lowest point for the last quarter of the year. IMAZ five weeks later is going to be a different data point. Cases have more than doubled in the last month and are currently 2.5x what they were on race day for the 70.3.

Bingo! Knowing the local politics of Bay County is why I've said IMFL was going to happen all along. And even if COVID numbers continue to rise throughout Nov, I'm hearing that nothing short of the black plague is going to stop Challenge Daytona. You can move some of these events to another county/state with the same virus risk and they would be cancelled in the drop of a hat.
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Never said surface contact was the issue but until a health dept can show me that a gym is responsible or pin cases or an outbreak happens there I will continue to defend gyms. Data and factual examples speak louder to me. Social distancing is happening at gyms and masks are worn during entrance and exit. So... gyms for me they are no riskier than any costco, grocery store, gas station, etc...

The most risky area are indoor group gatherings of family and friends that closely interact. Where social distancing and masks are few and far between.

Here is some related research done by the CDC. Only indoor dining and bars/coffee shops reach the level of unambiguous statistical significance, but gyms don’t show the best.

https://www.cdc.gov/...mm6936a5.htm#F1_down

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Re: Update: IM Florida [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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xarope8 wrote:
Never said surface contact was the issue but until a health dept can show me that a gym is responsible or pin cases or an outbreak happens there I will continue to defend gyms. Data and factual examples speak louder to me. Social distancing is happening at gyms and masks are worn during entrance and exit. So... gyms for me they are no riskier than any costco, grocery store, gas station, etc...

The most risky area are indoor group gatherings of family and friends that closely interact. Where social distancing and masks are few and far between.

Here is some related research done by the CDC. Only indoor dining and bars/coffee shops reach the level of unambiguous statistical significance, but gyms don’t show the best.

https://www.cdc.gov/...mm6936a5.htm#F1_down

...and churches

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Re: Update: IM Florida [xarope8] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/world/spinco-canada-covid-19-outbreak-trnd/index.html


There you go
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Re: Update: IM Florida [michael Hatch] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/world/spinco-canada-covid-19-outbreak-trnd/index.html


There you go

but the masked up both before *and* after classes... LOL

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Re: Update: IM Florida [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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I work at 2 large gyms in a large city. We have not had an outbreak and we did not shut down in the last round of gym closures mandated by the government. The gym moved equipment outside and only offered outdoor access to limited numbers of members until they were allowed to move back indoors. There was no use of facilities inside apart from the indoor pool and locker room.

We are still running all cycle classes outside as well as yoga. All other classes are indoors and participants must wear a mask or shield at all times. There are staff who walk around giving gentle reminders if a mask so much as falls below your nose. Also, we use a medical grade disinfectant on every piece of equipment used after every class. Our cleaning protocol is insane. If we had outbreaks happening at the gym I would be the first to jump on and say it's not safe, but people who want to be there know the rules and are abiding by the rules 100%. There is no member in the building unmasked ever, and that is enforced.

I can't speak for every gym but this is the experience at mine and honestly, I'm proud of the efforts they have made to keep people moving. The stress on the managers to follow rapidly changing protocol and adapt to challenges like outdoor music complaints and quick changing government rules day in and day out has been astronomical, but the reward to the members who have shown up is worth it. They are happy, healthy and active with a social group around them while at the gym. The gym is also employing people who have a vested interest in following protocol because they want their jobs. Nothing is risk free but I can say this is about as low risk as you can be in a public setting.
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Re: Update: IM Florida [TriMom95] [ In reply to ]
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Also, we use a medical grade disinfectant on every piece of equipment used after every class. Our cleaning protocol is insane. If we had outbreaks happening at the gym I would be the first to jump on and say it's not safe, but people who want to be there know the rules and are abiding by the rules 100%.... but I can say this is about as low risk as you can be in a public setting.

Like I have been saying, move it outside.

That said, a few comments... all the disinfectant and hand sanitizer stuff is probably just hygiene theater, in that it makes us feel better, but is probably not that important. Just stop talking to each other inside. At any rate, people who want to go to the gym are highly motivated people and I'm not surprised they are following the masking rules, which do work IMO. Finally, despite your experience and good example for all we can definitively say that even a well-run gym is not a low risk situation, it's medium risk at best.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Eric, I have not followed what is going on with IM Florida, but is it still on and are you racing, if so I wish you a great race. I think you did it last 2 years in a row?
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Re: Update: IM Florida [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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man i know the doom and gloomers have to be angry as heck this race is still going on
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Re: Update: IM Florida [Hollywood_USAF] [ In reply to ]
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Agree
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man i know the doom and gloomers have to be angry as heck this race is still going on

^^This

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Re: Update: IM Florida [Hollywood_USAF] [ In reply to ]
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The only thing that frustrates me was having my deferral into IMFL declined after IM Chattanooga was cancelled, lol. I'm glad you guys get to race. I'm bummed I can't be there to race especially with the weather being cooler this week. It's been hot.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [Billabong] [ In reply to ]
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Hollywood_USAF wrote:
man i know the doom and gloomers have to be angry as heck this race is still going on
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^^This

Nobody is going to be angry the race is going to happen. Least of all me. I hope everyone gets to race and has a safe and wonderful day. It's awesome that we might get a couple of races in before everything goes to hell again.

Just because someone is being pragmatic (or even pessimistic) about the situation doesn't mean they're going to get mad if the race happens. That's just a silly viewpoint to have.

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Re: Update: IM Florida [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Question about the actual race since I'm now in for 2021....

The course is different than last year. Didn't last year start at the boardwalk beach hotel? Reading other threads it seems like 2019 is an outlier and this 2020 course is the standard layout. Is that right? Is this year's course to be expected again in 21? Obv I know 2018 was an outlier since it was in a totally different place...

Thanks good luck to all racing this year be safe
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The GMAN wrote:
Hollywood_USAF wrote:
man i know the doom and gloomers have to be angry as heck this race is still going on

Rideon77 wrote:
Agree

Billabong wrote:
^^This


Nobody is going to be angry the race is going to happen. Least of all me. I hope everyone gets to race and has a safe and wonderful day. It's awesome that we might get a couple of races in before everything goes to hell again.

Just because someone is being pragmatic (or even pessimistic) about the situation doesn't mean they're going to get mad if the race happens. That's just a silly viewpoint to have.

What do you mean? That response doesn't fit the us vs. them narrative.

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PBT_2009 wrote:
Question about the actual race since I'm now in for 2021....

The course is different than last year. Didn't last year start at the boardwalk beach hotel? Reading other threads it seems like 2019 is an outlier and this 2020 course is the standard layout. Is that right? Is this year's course to be expected again in 21? Obv I know 2018 was an outlier since it was in a totally different place...

Thanks good luck to all racing this year be safe

The race has always started at boardwalk beach hotel with 2018 (Haines city) and 2020 being the exceptions. This year, the race was moved to pier park (5 miles north). I assume that move was made for more available space at that new venue. It’s unclear whether pier park will be the new location of the race going forward or if it will go back to the original location. The bike course is mostly the same between the two with a few minor tweaks.

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PBT_2009 wrote:
Question about the actual race since I'm now in for 2021....

The course is different than last year. Didn't last year start at the boardwalk beach hotel? Reading other threads it seems like 2019 is an outlier and this 2020 course is the standard layout. Is that right? Is this year's course to be expected again in 21? Obv I know 2018 was an outlier since it was in a totally different place...

Thanks good luck to all racing this year be safe

The race has always started at boardwalk beach hotel with 2018 (Haines city) and 2020 being the exceptions. This year, the race was moved to pier park (5 miles north). I assume that move was made for more available space at that new venue. It’s unclear whether pier park will be the new location of the race going forward or if it will go back to the original location. The bike course is mostly the same between the two with a few minor tweaks.

Ohh ok, interesting, thanks!!
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PBT_2009 wrote:
Question about the actual race since I'm now in for 2021....

The course is different than last year. Didn't last year start at the boardwalk beach hotel? Reading other threads it seems like 2019 is an outlier and this 2020 course is the standard layout. Is that right? Is this year's course to be expected again in 21? Obv I know 2018 was an outlier since it was in a totally different place...

Thanks good luck to all racing this year be safe

The race has always started at boardwalk beach hotel with 2018 (Haines city) and 2020 being the exceptions. This year, the race was moved to pier park (5 miles north). I assume that move was made for more available space at that new venue. It’s unclear whether pier park will be the new location of the race going forward or if it will go back to the original location. The bike course is mostly the same between the two with a few minor tweaks.

Ohh ok, interesting, thanks!!

I should mention that they did change the bike course in 2019. I forget the details of the change but it wasn’t anything significant (it’s still flat AF).

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