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While it's a pretty safe bet that Canyon have a new Speedmax disc coming (hopefully within shorter time than the new Aeroad Disc ;) ), I don't think we've seen any live footage of it (except Frodo riding on one front shot in a recent Canyon video ad).

So I have no idea whether the pic is not staged, but @ WW someone posted of what's supposed to be an unpainted unassembled new Speedmax disc frame.

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Those seat stays are something else.
Looks like the frame behind might be an aeroad as those seat stays arent so blockey

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Ryanppax wrote:
Those seat stays are something else.
Looks like the frame behind might be an aeroad as those seat stays arent so blockey

Most triathlon bike seat stays are pretty blocky, rigid, and excessive looking relative to road bikes which look sleeker. Personally I don't see that they look different than the industry standard.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [mrlobber] [ In reply to ]
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are you talking about this vid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJS-6WdGZeM

if so, what point in it shows him riding a disc bike? ive looked several times and im not spotting it.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [damon.lebeouf] [ In reply to ]
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Look closer, it's there. Should be announced fairly soon, and I'd imagine it will show up at Le Tour in a few weeks time. They actually had accidentally posted the manual online a few months back, but it's since been removed.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [damon.lebeouf] [ In reply to ]
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it's about 45 seconds in

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [mrlobber] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like a Chinese open mold frame.

https://www.yoeleobike.com/...lon-frame-t9-db.html

Though they all probably look similar without any livery.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [mrlobber] [ In reply to ]
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That head tube has a funny sharp edge, unless it is a shadow or seam in the carbon. No idea how that is supposed to work.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [mrlobber] [ In reply to ]
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That picture is not the same as the bike in the Canyon Youtube ad. The ad has higher seat stays and a rounded head tube.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Look closer, it's there. Should be announced fairly soon, and I'd imagine it will show up at Le Tour in a few weeks time. They actually had accidentally posted the manual online a few months back, but it's since been removed.

I don't doubt the claims about the manual and any announcements,or that a Speedmax disc is coming...but I don't see how you can definitively say in that vid that it is a disc bike from the split second head on shot at 0:45. As much as I want to see a rotor, I see little dark spots at the fork crown which could be hidden brake pads. What am I missing?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [mrlobber] [ In reply to ]
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It appears to have a mono raiser, cup style arm pads and the aerobar extension a la Trek
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Trisur] [ In reply to ]
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The photo of the bare frame looks like it's lost is stowage in front of the seat post, and the clip form the Youtube advert with the monoriser suggests the in-built hydration bottle is also a goner (this is purely speculation - this could be the CF rather than CF SX equivalent).

But if that is the case, then it has lost one of its really big selling points. The integration is what got me over the line with the SLX rather than a P5/other equivalents.
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oakie wrote:
The photo of the bare frame looks like it's lost is stowage in front of the seat post, and the clip form the Youtube advert with the monoriser suggests the in-built hydration bottle is also a goner (this is purely speculation - this could be the CF rather than CF SX equivalent).

But if that is the case, then it has lost one of its really big selling points. The integration is what got me over the line with the SLX rather than a P5/other equivalents.

Agree with you completely. This is what sold me on it. If the new one has discs but no box and no water, I'd rather keep my existing SLX.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [oakie] [ In reply to ]
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If, as others have suggested, this will launch at the pro TT-bike then a lot of initial media will be in a UCI-legal guise. They may also make a integrated Tri version of the bike but the initial launch will be void of integrated bottles etc.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Patterson] [ In reply to ]
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Its mute point for me anyways, I'm still in negative a-gazillion brownee points at home after 'surprising' my wife with a new bike... for me.

I wont be buying anything for a while.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [oakie] [ In reply to ]
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oakie wrote:
But if that is the case, then it has lost one of its really big selling points. The integration is what got me over the line with the SLX rather than a P5/other equivalents.

I wouldn't worry (though it seems you're not allowed to be interested anyway...)

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [mrlobber] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [bigsas] [ In reply to ]
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Surely that's the trickle down version. The P-series equivalent for Canyon. Not a very attractive head tube/stem area. Looks like some kind of storage above the bottom bracket as well.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [bigsas] [ In reply to ]
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Shimano mechanical with sram hydro brakes, like the mix and match you used to get on a lot of mountain bikes. If this is a spec choice it's good to see they've done this rather than the bulky and heavy trp hydros. Shimano still only do the expensive DA di2 hydro as far as I'm aware.

The headtube/stem reminds me a bit of the entry level speed concepts trek used to do with a standard stem, or the lower level felt IAs. Can't quite tell on where the front brake hose enters but if it's directly in front of the headtube then into the fork they've done a better job than the p series, less cable exposed but still easy to remove stem and bars for packing or stem length change.

I wonder if the slx model will utilise same frame but with a different integrated stem and bar that fills the gap, hides the cable and adds hydration, which could also be an option to upgrade to later? Makes much more business sense to only need to mould the one frame. Wait and see I guess.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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It makes sense with a number of Canyon athletes co-sponsored with Swiss side that the latest gen Swisside / DT Swiss wheels are disc only.

Wonder if Swisside contributed to the new bikes design.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [bigsas] [ In reply to ]
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bigsas wrote:

Now give us the slx version! Looking very much forward to seeing that, hope they keep a lot of their great features
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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What do you think the chances are that they show it tomorrow during the World TT Championships. Obviously without all the storage but this could what they are waiting for.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [mrlobber] [ In reply to ]
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Any new leaks on the more top end version of this bike maybe?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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They are releasing the new Aeroad on October 6th so they may release with that due to the aero nature of both bikes or wait 2 weeks after like they did between the new Ultimate the released the other day.

5-11 Oct is the Ironman VR world championships celebration so we may see something there.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Aarbiser] [ In reply to ]
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On October 06 there is a launch event. Don‘t know exactly what bikes they are showing.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [memyselfandi] [ In reply to ]
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While that Orbea Ordu looks like something about five years from the past, that Speedmax is a step forward aesthetically. We’ll learn in time how fast it is, but the silhouette passes the eyeball test.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Waingro] [ In reply to ]
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Considering the group set on that is etap circa 2017-18, I don’t think that silhouette is anything more than a design fancy
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [memyselfandi] [ In reply to ]
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memyselfandi wrote:
Just saw that,

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/258886678566697963/

Speedmax Disc

This is the picture of an old concept bike, dated 2017 or something like that.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [memyselfandi] [ In reply to ]
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memyselfandi wrote:
Just saw that,

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/258886678566697963/

Speedmax Disc

If that's the new one it looks like they've got downhill mountain bike levels of slackness in the front fork.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [BobAjobb] [ In reply to ]
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It seems that Frodeno is currently doing pictures/shooting with the new Speedmax according to his Instagram story.
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It seems that Frodeno is currently doing pictures/shooting with the new Speedmax according to his Instagram story.

And the Y-shaped extensions look similar to Cervélo's. Interesting. I wonder whether they will announce it on Saturday for "Kona" or it we'll have to wait more.

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BobAjobb wrote:
memyselfandi wrote:
Just saw that,

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/258886678566697963/

Speedmax Disc


If that's the new one it looks like they've got downhill mountain bike levels of slackness in the front fork.

That is the lotus concept bike isnt it?


Anyway looking very much forward to the release of the canyon speedmax disc CF SLX! The new aeroad looks amazing hope this is too.
I think the old canyon is close to perfect already, just need some kind of read storage, maybe a bit more adjustability and a size XL!
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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I picked up my Speedmax CF SLX last fall and can't imagine anything on the new model that would peak my interest in any way to swap to it. I can't remember the last time needing the brakes (in a serious way) on the bike, or something with the stopping power of a disc brake. Everything else on the bike is amazing and leaves me wanting nothing more. Now, if it was a CF (non SLX) model that I was riding while eyeing the CF SLX, then I'd have to think long about it as to which one I prefer. I actually like the rim brake version with the "hidden" brakes inside the fork and behind the BB. Can't imagine throwing a set of calipers and discs into the airflow is anything but a wattage loss (albeit small). Maybe they are tweaking a few other things to offset that. Who knows, but I think we are at the point of progress in some of these bike that are merely marginal gains and ones that we mortals would even feel the difference.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [captainolek] [ In reply to ]
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Has anyone else clocked Jan Frodeno being at what looks like a photoshoot for the new Speedmax today on his Instagram stories? The single riser is visible along with a sram 12sp crank, I think I can make out a downtube storage box too. Fingers crossed it drops soon!
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [-TriathlonDan-] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah I also saw that - as you said, looks like a single riser and storage above the BB. Not sure whether this means there no front mounted bottle and no bento? Big selling point for the previous model was the completely integrated hydration/food system and tool storage in the frame.
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Exactly - it’s called SpeedMax after all. If brakes were that important they’d be calling it StopMax
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Alex205] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone see Jan Frodeno's "My Story" on Instagram? It is only up for 24 hrs (stories) & they were in an airplane hanger. He panned the camera quickly & partial view of a mono-stem TT bike was leaning partially seen against something. Could this be a fast glimpse of the new Speedmax Disc? He said, "Baack...boys...you can't see what he is looking at..." just as on the return pan of the camera, he skips OVER the TT bikes to the left and said, "It is time." I wonder if the elusive TT Disc is ready?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Rocky M] [ In reply to ]
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Jan Frodeno has just posted a picture of him on the new Speedmax Disc so it must be coming soon. Looks like the bike from the discussion above too

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGkkU-uhoy4/
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [hjws] [ In reply to ]
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Certainly the disc model.

Probably be Released on the 24th and that is when canyon have the DIY-TRI Event
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Aarbiser] [ In reply to ]
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Hopefully the prices will not increase a lot.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [rbe] [ In reply to ]
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Any update on this topic?

Dan said on the topic related to last Friday's Frodeno interview that he had news (but obviously couldn't communicate). As far as I know the Speedmax disc has not been talked about during the interview (Canyon 360 lab)

I believe/hope the bike shall be published/released in November.

Personally I am waiting for information on this bike before making my choice on which disc brake TT bike to buy for 2021 and I am slowly getting sick of waiting.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Rainbow_Warrior] [ In reply to ]
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IIRC Canyon's recent releases were all made on Tuesdays. With their event now finished I wouldn't be surprised to see it coming out tomorrow or next week. But frankly that is pure speculation.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [mrlobber] [ In reply to ]
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Frodeno's Insta story - riding a disc braked TT at the airport - assuming from last week or whenever. Looks pretty good from afar!

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Surely that's the trickle down version. The P-series equivalent for Canyon. Not a very attractive head tube/stem area. Looks like some kind of storage above the bottom bracket as well.

I remember making my own storage bin in like 2008...

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dfru wrote:
Frodeno's Insta story - riding a disc braked TT at the airport - assuming from last week or whenever. Looks pretty good from afar!

I see close to zero storage on the one he rides. No benti, no draftbox. Seems something is out at the BB though.
Very curious of the bta hydration system
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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lassekk wrote:
dfru wrote:
Frodeno's Insta story - riding a disc braked TT at the airport - assuming from last week or whenever. Looks pretty good from afar!


I see close to zero storage on the one he rides. No benti, no draftbox. Seems something is out at the BB though.
Very curious of the bta hydration system

It'll be super interesting as the Speedmax hit all the buttons - storage, hydration, etc. I would be surprised if they lost all of that!

Should be interesting to say the least.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Also could only see the box above the BB for storage. It doesn't look like there is enough space in the frame for storage (as there is at the moment) so this likely replaces that.

I can't see where they would put reservoir to feed a BTA straw - there just doesn't look like there is space for fluid anywhere in the frame (similar to the old Shiv). The downtube doesn't look 'fat' enough and surely you couldn't fit a reservoir in the headtube around the forks?


It wouldn't surprise me if they've done anyway with the integrated hydration system. In the survey they sent out about the Speedmax last year there was a lot of focus on trade-offs (i.e. would you prefer disc brakes over integrated hydration) and ranking of how important these sort of things were to you. Clearly they were thinking about not bothering with it then as you were being asked what sort of features were more or less important to customers. They could go down the route of the Cervelo where they sell a version that comes with some sort of BTA bottle that is aero and works with the frame (maybe not dissimilar to the new Scott Plasma?) but isn't fully integrated like the current version.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [hjws] [ In reply to ]
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I think the video in the frodeno post must be the TT version of the speedmax. No bento boxes and no hydration system. If the speedmax looses that I believe it will loose part of its essence.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [EMBACKTOTRI] [ In reply to ]
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I’d be quite surprised if they did completely different Tri and TT versions, the current TT version is an identical frame and bar set up without all the integrated hydration/nutrition. From an economic perspective, it probably doesn’t make sense to have very different bikes at the top end. They might be able to fit a bento on the bike in the video but the one piece riser means they couldn’t fit the current Speedmax bottle on.

It looks more likely that they’ll offer some other solution (like the Scott Plasma I mentioned above) to get the necessary integration for triathletes.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [hjws] [ In reply to ]
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How often does Canyon keep their tri bikes without an update? Are they on a 5 year cycle? (no pun intended). Cervelo is what--every couple of years? I'm wondering who does more updates...?

Thinking Cervelo is more frequent possibly due to more $$ behind them? With the new owners of Canyon I wonder how that may change..(if that deal was in fact inked already).
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Trisur] [ In reply to ]
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Isnt that the same riser cups snd extensions as Kona2019? Just without the hydration unit there
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Rocky M] [ In reply to ]
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Rocky M wrote:
How often does Canyon keep their tri bikes without an update? Are they on a 5 year cycle? (no pun intended). Cervelo is what--every couple of years? I'm wondering who does more updates...?

Thinking Cervelo is more frequent possibly due to more $$ behind them? With the new owners of Canyon I wonder how that may change..(if that deal was in fact inked already).

If you look at the 'classics' (P2c, P3, P3c, P4, P5), Cervelo's are actually around 5 years too. Some brands are longer but I think it's less to do with the dollars available to spend and more about there being a business case. Tri and TT bikes are not huge markets so often not worth the more frequent investment.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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Mmmmm...it doesn't seem

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Trisur] [ In reply to ]
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So how long can it take to edit that hangar video so we can get a damn release, feels like forever!
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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lassekk wrote:
So how long can it take to edit that hangar video so we can get a damn release, feels like forever!

Feels like waiting for an iSpeedmax and seems like an iphone release to me!
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Alex205] [ In reply to ]
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Jan Frodeno has a new picture posted on Instagram.
Looks Nice

https://www.instagram.com/...igshid=12zbh5xqdfmrc

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [rbe] [ In reply to ]
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And he said - two weeks to go - following the Tuesday release idea someone said a while back!

Agree - looks good.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Interestingly, they seem to have taped over the stem to frame interface to do wind tunnel testing (?).




Very wide fork, but that was to be expected I guess.

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rbe wrote:
Jan Frodeno has a new picture posted on Instagram.
Looks Nice

https://www.instagram.com/...igshid=12zbh5xqdfmrc

Yup, will be interesting, still seeing no bento box or front end hydration.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe the tape might be to smooth some kind of bracket to take hydration?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [jcbesse] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder if those bars are stock or custom.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [jn46] [ In reply to ]
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Possibly, but it would be kinda silly to photograph / test without the front integrated hydration if they're keeping it (a key design feature of the previous model).

And noting that so far in all the photo's we've seen so far there has been no indication that Canyon are including any front integrated hydration.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Rocky M] [ In reply to ]
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I believe they are custom bars - Jan has used a custom front end like that for a few years and would be really surprised if Canyon shipped a bike with a set-up like that.

On the front hydration - there's been no sign of it yet and no sign of a bento. They must be keeping the rear bottle mount on the seat post as that seems like an easy win but I'd be pretty shocked if there was no way of transporting food and drink. None of the pictures we've seen so far show anywhere that a bladder or something could be hidden in the frame so I can only think they are going down the route of the Cervelo and including an aftermarket bottle.

It doesn't entirely surprise me, the front mounted bottle on the current version obviously looks very clean but is a bit of a faff to use (in comparison to a Xlab Torpedo) and leaks quite badly. They may have just decided that other aftermarket solutions suit most people and makes it an easier bike for them to manufacture etc.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [hjws] [ In reply to ]
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bike is coming out nov 17th , no inner hydration , only a bento box in the top tube and a tool box on the bottom bracket. It is going to have a butterfly system like the tririg one aerobar. Y shaped extensions like the cervelo.
Nothing not seing yet , looks like they have choosen things already working well in other brands. A little bit dissapointed.
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bike is coming out nov 17th , no inner hydration , only a bento box in the top tube and a tool box on the bottom bracket. It is going to have a butterfly system like the tririg one aerobar. Y shaped extensions like the cervelo.
Nothing not seing yet , looks like they have choosen things already working well in other brands. A little bit dissapointed.

Internal bento would make sense with the increased size of top tube. Internal or integrated hydration is bit love it or hate it. Lots of people just prefer a bta and saddle solution, which also makes it less complicated from a manufacturing point of view. Agree the bike is unlikely revolutionary but more a natural progression, bit faster with discs. If they keep the pricing to undercut everyone else while performance on a par then that will always be it's USP.
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where did you get this information?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [EMBACKTOTRI] [ In reply to ]
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EMBACKTOTRI wrote:
bike is coming out nov 17th , no inner hydration , only a bento box in the top tube and a tool box on the bottom bracket. It is going to have a butterfly system like the tririg one aerobar. Y shaped extensions like the cervelo.
Nothing not seing yet , looks like they have choosen things already working well in other brands. A little bit dissapointed.

What’s there to be disappointed about? Looks like it’s going to be a fast bike that can be used for a sprint tri to an Ironman.

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Why is the assumption that it will be fast, or faster than the rim brake version? The current Speedmax hasn't tested fast and disc brakes are slower, so it takes some work just to make up for those losses
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [bigsas] [ In reply to ]
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Cant tell sorry
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [BigBoyND] [ In reply to ]
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You are right. It’s just an assumption. Will it be faster than the current version? Hopefully but we won’t know until there’s some testing released on it.

But that wasn’t my point in my original comment. Based on what we think the bike will have, it looks like it will check off a lot of the boxes. Unless there is something completely missing on this bike or if it’s as aero as a Ventum.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [bigsas] [ In reply to ]
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To be fair, Frodeno said himself two weeks on Tuesday - so the 17th works out.

I'm just looking forward to seeing it - should be a nice looking disc braked tri bike - maybe not as much wow factor as the Plasma 6 but let's see!

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [EMBACKTOTRI] [ In reply to ]
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9Watts „faster“
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Alex205] [ In reply to ]
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The frame seems kinda different than the current one. Front end also (small "Y").

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [mrlobber] [ In reply to ]
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Sanders got a new video premiere on the 17th November, titled the best, better. Reckon that’ll be about the new launch.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [TommyBTri] [ In reply to ]
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Lauch will be with GTN next Tuesday (17th) at 11:00 CET it seems (like Aeroad launch with GCN).

Bad timing for me, I'll be stuck in a conference call for work
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Rainbow_Warrior] [ In reply to ]
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Just seen Jans IG story... that’s a pretty good look at it there.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [TommyBTri] [ In reply to ]
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Sort of bummed if it loses integrated water. Maybe it'll have an internal bladder or something.

But I always loved how well the front end was integrated on the Canyons.
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Sure would be terrible if all those aero gains from the new design get negated by everyone's various hydration solutions

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yes it is
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blueapplepaste wrote:
Sort of bummed if it loses integrated water. Maybe it'll have an internal bladder or something.

But I always loved how well the front end was integrated on the Canyons.

Exactly! Loved the design and look of the old speedmax! Only reason i don't own one is because they dont make it in XL (CFSLX that is). Was hoping the disc version would come in XL or just better geometry on the L, but it looks different now without hydration in the front.
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I’m not a fan of an integrated bottle. Just give me the ability to mount a standard bottle cage so I can run a regular bottle.

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Agree, but then the question is what is there going to be that makes this bike special. Right now it's shaping up to be a lot like the Orbea or any other disc frame with a limited adjustability monopost and some semi usefully integration. I'm sure there's something special, but it would seem they're hiding it well so far it so.

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I think some mfg's have over thought, over engineered, and just made things way more complicated in the effort to create something "special".

Keep it simple and check all the boxes (aesthetics, aero, adjustability, storage, travel).

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I’m not a fan of an integrated bottle. Just give me the ability to mount a standard bottle cage so I can run a regular bottle.

Unfortunately I’ve become the opposite. I’ve narrowed in my elbows so that a BTA is uncomfortable as my arms are slammed into it. It’s why I ended up with an Aeria hydration system in the front.

So the Canyon and old Plasma were high on my list for when I got a new bike.
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I quickly stitched together some screenshots from the instagram video. It seems like a massive downtube and a "interestingly" shaped top tube. I guess you could easily hide a reservoir in the downtube.

edit: Made the image a bit brighter.
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I love integrated bottles like the 'old' canyon or the plasma ones..

speakin of canyon this systems are only for the more expensive models...not for me unfortunatelly .

i'm going to buy a canyon for my 2021 season (hopin for a 2021 season)..but my budget is something between 3000 and 3500 Euros. Maybe discs too will only be avaiable for mid/high end models
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it is....? provide us with your exclusive information!
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Looking to buy my first TT bike, the new Speedmax might be the one.

A question as regards BTA vs. integrated hydration (my gut feeling being that the new Speedmax has hydration in the frame): isn't it more complicated to clean the integrated hydration solution than an "almost" normal bottle placed BTA? I am thinking at the Shiv or the "old" Speedmax.

What is your experience so far?

This could decide me going for a P5 or a BMC TM01 instead of the new Speedmax
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The thing is a rocket!

After taking it out of the box and riding around the parking lot lionels first words when he rolled up was “I’m going to f$@in destroy these guys”. Night and day difference.
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blueapplepaste wrote:
stevej wrote:
I’m not a fan of an integrated bottle. Just give me the ability to mount a standard bottle cage so I can run a regular bottle.

Unfortunately I’ve become the opposite. I’ve narrowed in my elbows so that a BTA is uncomfortable as my arms are slammed into it. It’s why I ended up with an Aeria hydration system in the front.

So the Canyon and old Plasma were high on my list for when I got a new bike.

Yeah I get it. Everyone's needs are different. If there was an option where you could do either/or, I think that would satisfy everyone.

Jan runs a pretty narrow pad setup. It will be interesting to see what his setup will be if there isn't an integrated bottle upfront.

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The thing is a rocket!

After taking it out of the box and riding around the parking lot lionels first words when he rolled up was “I’m going to f$@in destroy these guys”. Night and day difference.

Love it - you go out and chasing your dreams lucky bastard!!!

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I think some mfg's have over thought, over engineered, and just made things way more complicated in the effort to create something "special".

Keep it simple and check all the boxes (aesthetics, aero, adjustability, storage, travel).

IMO there’s still low-hanging fruit to be had with comfort. With some thought, you can “hide” round bottles from the wind on the DT and ST (similar to what BMC did with their last aero road bike) and, let’s face it, round bottles are just very convenient and having them in the DT/ST area is very convenient.
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Marketing BS
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We will see..............
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It looks like a fat Trek
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Actually, the Giant Trinity offers this. The nosecone bottle is neatly integrated but can be removed without negative impact.

Maybe they've gone the TriRig way and created a set of interfaces for whatever you need, that keep things in optimal locations and positions.

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stevej wrote:
I think some mfg's have over thought, over engineered, and just made things way more complicated in the effort to create something "special".

Keep it simple and check all the boxes (aesthetics, aero, adjustability, storage, travel).

IMO there’s still low-hanging fruit to be had with comfort. With some thought, you can “hide” round bottles from the wind on the DT and ST (similar to what BMC did with their last aero road bike) and, let’s face it, round bottles are just very convenient and having them in the DT/ST area is very convenient.

Curious to hear your thoughts on the comfort low-hanging fruit.

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My best guess is that the funny shape top tube is the top tube plus a wedge storage box that cleans up the top tube=head tube transition.

In terms of the down tube the bike looks Di2 so I wonder if that is where they are hiding the electronic gubbins. They wouldn't be the first to come this solution and it may have given them more freedom when designing the front end of the bike. What would be real neat is if alongside the electronics there was a hydraulic hose quick connector so you could really play around with the front end without having to re-bleed the brakes. I don't think that is possible though unless the front brake cable loops around.
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Waddup crew! I've been eagerly following this thread along with anything on social media and have put the speculation together with my thoughts on a video here

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.. there is a video at .. https://www.instagram.com/laura_philipp_tri/ .. and in her stories .. https://www.instagram.com/...2442405063541524265/ .. wheels [and no discs] for braking ..

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Her latest instagram video is the old model.
In the story, she's (probably) riding the new one, which is hidden below the towel, and the old model is in plain sight.

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.. ok .. thanks for the info .. maybe I'll see her on the road after the 17th [some where she wrote that's the official day] ..

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Nov 17 is the announcement date indeed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJQT8sv4UDQ (was mentioned on page 3 of this thread already)

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Yeah I get it. Everyone's needs are different. If there was an option where you could do either/or, I think that would satisfy everyone.

As mentioned, the Trinity does this. As do the existing Speedmax, Aerium, and Plasma. They are all designed to clean up nicely without the bottles/nutrition storage in place.
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Yeah I get it. Everyone's needs are different. If there was an option where you could do either/or, I think that would satisfy everyone.

As mentioned, the Trinity does this. As do the existing Speedmax, Aerium, and Plasma. They are all designed to clean up nicely without the bottles/nutrition storage in place.

Can you easily mount a standard bottle bta? And does removing the integrated bottle negatively affect drag or is it drag neutral?

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Canyon’s latest Instagram post has a new view of the side profile of the bike.

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stevej wrote:
BigBoyND wrote:
stevej wrote:

Yeah I get it. Everyone's needs are different. If there was an option where you could do either/or, I think that would satisfy everyone.


As mentioned, the Trinity does this. As do the existing Speedmax, Aerium, and Plasma. They are all designed to clean up nicely without the bottles/nutrition storage in place.


Can you easily mount a standard bottle bta? And does removing the integrated bottle negatively affect drag or is it drag neutral?

Yes, they have standard extensions and there's nothing in the way of mounting standard BTA.

Removing them is, at worst, drag neutral. Cube, for example cites a minimal % drag increase by using their system. They're likely all faster than a standard BTA though. If you're worried about drag, use their system.
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Screenshot taken from Canyon's last Instagram story (the original picture is blurred). It clearly seems to me that integrated hydration or an integrated storage box will take place at the beginning of the top tube.



It also seems rather close to the prototype picture that could be found on the web some years ago.
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Can someone please explain to me why would i need disc brakes?? Like seriously - WHY??? Of course other than the need to buy all new wheels, disc, etc. Oh, silly me...
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triprem wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why would i need disc brakes?? Like seriously - WHY??? Of course other than the need to buy all new wheels, disc, etc. Oh, silly me...

Can someone say that this question is no longer allowed to ask......;-)

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TRIPRO wrote:
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Can someone please explain to me why would i need disc brakes?? Like seriously - WHY??? Of course other than the need to buy all new wheels, disc, etc. Oh, silly me...


Can someone say that this question is no longer allowed to ask......;-)

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Maybe I am in the market for a new tri bike. Possibly I want to future proof my purchase and have a wheelset that will be transferable to other bikes. Disc brakes have been on MTB's for 3 decades now. They are pretty much all you will get from now on new road bikes. Quite simply they are far superior to rim brakes. Disc brakes on tri bikes are opening up new design options for aero wheels. Time for people to get over the x watt penalty if there is one and realise there will be gains elsewhere.
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Can someone please explain to me why would i need disc brakes?? Like seriously - WHY??? Of course other than the need to buy all new wheels, disc, etc. Oh, silly me...

Go on. I'll bite.
When it pisses down every other day, and there's a hundred corners you need to brake for (inc many near-dead-stop junctions) and the route has 100+ of 112 on open roads, and you know the braking on most carbon rims is the wet is utter shiiite, then you'll know the benefit of discs.

I'll save WAAAAY more time with good reliable brakes in these crappy conditions than any amount of aero gains from an uber bike.

I do agree however that if you're in Arizona and have 4x 90 degree bends in 112 miles on a shitboring course, then they aren't needed.
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triprem wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why would i need disc brakes?? Like seriously - WHY??? Of course other than the need to buy all new wheels, disc, etc. Oh, silly me...

You don't. So don't buy a bike with disc brakes or keep the one you have.

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triprem wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why would i need disc brakes?? Like seriously - WHY??? Of course other than the need to buy all new wheels, disc, etc. Oh, silly me...

Have you ever ridden disc brakes. They’re better. The modulate better. They require less finger tension which keeps your hands/arms more relaxed on long descents. The allow for more radical wheel designs like the new Roval Rapide which is the most amazing wheel set I’ve ever ridden.

Maybe you can’t afford to upgrade all your kit. That’s too bad. But seriously, pull your head out of your ass.
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Since Canyon are a GCN sponsor they have a teaser clip up that shows the cockpit.
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so you can run wider tires and wider wheels. if you still run latex its nice to not pop your tires on a steep hill. Yes I have done it before with latex.
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The thing is a rocket!

After taking it out of the box and riding around the parking lot lionels first words when he rolled up was “I’m going to f$@in destroy these guys”. Night and day difference.

SOOOOO when do I get to buy this bike!!! Mentally my money is already gone.

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triprem wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why would i need disc brakes?? Like seriously - WHY??? Of course other than the need to buy all new wheels, disc, etc. Oh, silly me...

You dont!..... But I do :-)

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https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road-bikes/triathlon-bikes/speedmax/


Details on the Canyon website already


Highlights:
  • Completely adjustable bars - u shaped and can adjust length, angle and width easily
  • 9 watts faster than previous model. SL claimed to be as fast as previous SLX.
  • Hydration (750ml) and bento are both integrated into the top tube for CFR/SLX - looks like it will avoid spilling etc and is really smart with the bladder
  • Bento on top of toptube and tool storage in top tube for CF
  • Bottom bracket toolbox for CFR/SLX is completely integrated to the frame while on the CF it is more of a 'add-on'
  • SLX weighs 9.4kg vs 8.7kg for previous model
  • Retail prices: CFR £10,299, SLX £8/9k depending on Di2 or Sram, CF - £4/6k depending on components

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Canyon really.knows how to marketing holy hell. The other companies are light years behind
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Quite heavy, p5d is lighter no?

Also is it uci legal?
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lassekk wrote:
Canyon really.knows how to marketing holy hell. The other companies are light years behind

Well I guess this is why Canyon is called a pure marketing company. The focus is not really on innovative bikes but it is marketing, marketing and marketing. And people like that.
Buying big commericals, all of the big athletes and having an entire Instagram, Facebook and other social media team makes a pretty basic bike, made in China looking like a top of the market model.

I am surely not one of those Canyon-Haters, also I am not against Online-Only-Brands but to be honest, the first Speedmax was a pretty good bike for the money. But the last and the new Speedmax model are pretty basic bikes with the main focus on marketing. But by now they cost as much as a prestigious Cervelo, S-Works or Scott. I would expect a bit more considering that I can only buy it from an online shop.

Still happy for everyone who loves their canyons
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The Canyon Speedmax CF really got the short straw when its paint color was chosen. The black one looks a bit odd for some reason...Aint no one riding a yellow bike. And then there is the "Non-Mint" which is somewhat ok but not my first choice.
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R2 wrote:
Quite heavy, p5d is lighter no?

Also is it uci legal?


Yes P5 can go a decent chunk under 9kg.

Watching the live feed it does still like a good step forward as a 'complete' solution for a tri bike.

However, I can't help but feel that the CF is the real winner here. Same aero as the old bike but with disc brakes, amazing storage and all the adjustability/interchangeability that we all like. Plus a lot cheaper and its the same weight as the CFR despite heavier components

EDIT: and with PM included too
EDIT: According to Cycling Weekly, there's a UCI legal version on it's way too
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I got to see the bike a few weeks back. Finishing wise, I'd say it's a touch above the current Speedmax (which I own). Feels like a real superbike although the disc integration could probably have been done better.

My two biggest questions:
- Is this new front end really adjustable or will we be limited in terms of non-Canyon pads and extension bars? I don't see how someone could fit something else?
- What are the thoughts geometry wise? Feels like a much 'shorter' bike relative to the old model?
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I had pretty much decided to get the CF with ultegra di2, based on the old models geo.

Unfortunately I'm out, frame stack has increased and effective stack increased more due to the tilting bracket on the di2 model. The price increase can't be ignored as well. Worth paying just that bit more now and getting a p series with local dealer support. Nice looking bikes though. I'm probably about to put in an order for an end of year p3x with 30% off.

I can't see crank length listed anywhere, despite the website mentioning they've reduced them across the line, and the geo charts need updating to clarify if it's back or mid pad, but they do seem to be shorter and higher, just when we hoped stuff would start to get long and low again...

Looking at the models for me there are two that standout:

1. The cf slx 8 as the superbike. Not sure why you'd pay more? Leave cash in the bank for a disc wheel and the extended arm pad upgrade available.

2. The entry level CF 7 as the mortal bike. This already has SRAM hydro, so easily upgraded with some used 11 speed etap down the line.
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The price increase can't be ignored as well. Worth paying just that bit more now and getting a p series with local dealer support. .

That´s right!
For almost the same money you can get an Cervelo P5 or a S-Works Shiv including a professional fit assistant, a shop where you can always come by and even a mechanic that is willing to repair your bike at any time.

I mean you can clearly see the marketing strategy from Canyon here. Their first Speedmax came with Di2 and a Lightweight Autobahn Disc for just under 10k since they are online retail only.
Now they try to sell their bikes at similar price points such as the top of the range models that you could get from professional retailers.

To me this bike is a clear copy and paste design from all the big brands with a pretty mainstream design in order to not scare anyone off.
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GreenPlease wrote:
stevej wrote:
I think some mfg's have over thought, over engineered, and just made things way more complicated in the effort to create something "special".

Keep it simple and check all the boxes (aesthetics, aero, adjustability, storage, travel).

IMO there’s still low-hanging fruit to be had with comfort. With some thought, you can “hide” round bottles from the wind on the DT and ST (similar to what BMC did with their last aero road bike) and, let’s face it, round bottles are just very convenient and having them in the DT/ST area is very convenient.

Curious to hear your thoughts on the comfort low-hanging fruit.

I’m working on something so I’ll keep my thoughts to myself ;) Maybe next April/May I’ll have something to share.
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What are these little rubber pieces that stick out and seem to be only for SRAM levers



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If your going to spend $8k or more you should be able to get another color than black and white. My wife was digging the pink one but its a lower model with half-assed wires sticking out all over the place.
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Curious to see how the TT model is going to look like.

Prices have increased basically to the level of competition. No frameset/module option? Disappointed.

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If your going to spend $8k or more you should be able to get another color than black and white. My wife was digging the pink one but its a lower model with half-assed wires sticking out all over the place.

And the cabling doesn't get better with the etap CF, if you look at the close ups. A stem and bar change would clean it up, but at significant extra cost. It's a shame they couldn't have cleaned this up with a stem with a removable plate. I think the slx is a step forward, the CF seems a bit of an afterthought....
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Canyon needs to update the geometry legend. But assuming the pad x and pad y are correct in the chart, this bike appears to be lacking a bit of reach.





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What are these little rubber pieces that stick out and seem to be only for SRAM levers


Have a look at Lionel's youtube video at ~3.10. They look like basebar shifting switches to me. Don't recall seeing them before.. something new from sram?
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Wow I'd completely missed they had been released then!
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It feels like Canyon finished the new CF and only then realized they needed to wire in a front brake so they drilled a few hole and sent it away hoping no one would notice. In the same motion they killed off the rim brake version of the CF SLX because it would have looked super slick in comparison.

I was actually really hoping they would put the rim brake SLX's on sale as they would have sat very awkwardly in the price range. Looks like they have just eliminated them entirely, including from the outlet, which seems a shame given how good they were.
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I think whether the bike has enough reach or not depends on your fit

Let's compare it to the P5D

1. The reach is around 40-50mm shorter for an equivalent size for Cervelo
2. Minimum seat height is much higher on the Speedmax, limiting your ability to size up (if you are a shorter rider with long reach, which I am, so I am looking at this)
3. Pad reach adjustment is the same as the default P5D cockpit, but much less than the P5X cockpit.

Eitherway, I won't be able to duplicate my triathlon fit coordinates on the Speedmax, and only able to duplicate my UCI legal position. So, for me, the new speedmax is lacking in reach.

I can definitely make it work (decrease stack further, to compensate for reduction in reach), but I'd like to to see more reach adjustment possibility on the bike

Update: for what it's worth, Canyon's height / inseam calculator seems to work. It's telling me You are exceeding the recommended adjustment range of the specified seatpost. Unfortunately, we cannot ensure a proper fit on this bike.
Please select a different model.
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So this new model SLX is heavier than the old but the bento is more Aero Is think & were they weighing the old SLX without the bento at 8.7 kg? Being ST it seems weight is a tad less on the ladder than “aero” if that is indeed where the 9 watts savings (claimed) is coming from.
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Cookiebuilder wrote:
so you can run wider tires and wider wheels. if you still run latex its nice to not pop your tires on a steep hill. Yes I have done it before with latex.

How wide do you need to go for a Tri/TT bike?

The Aerocoach tyre tests show little between the 23mm and 25mm Corsa Speeds for rolling resistance. I am not sure any event I would need 30mm+ tyres that a TT/Tri bike would be the go to bike. I haven't done to many Tri bike friendly courses where prolonged braking has occurred at an amount where rim heating would be a huge issue, though I guess there maybe some courses. Not sure the modulation etc is a game changer on a tri bike. The opening TT in the Giro had a very high-speed decent with some technical elements but we didn't really see the disc brake bikes advantages shine through.

The move to disc brakes and the price hike involved does seem to be killing the good value aerobike with leading aero credentials. Here in the UK the Giant Trinity, Trek Speedconcepts and old rim brake P series Cervelo's have been very popular as they are more reasonably priced (around the £2k to 2.5k frameset point) and when setup well are pretty clean cable wise and give great aero performance. The current wave of disc bikes there are fewer options in this price bracket and those around the same price like the P series cervelo and SL Canyon seem the have a lot of exposed cables.
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That computer mount looks like some kind of weird periscope
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What power meter does the disc model come with? I don't see it listed in the components section.
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And is it just me or all the pros riding the new bike seem worse fit wise than on the prior model?
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I think whether the bike has enough reach or not depends on your fit

Let's compare it to the P5D

1. The reach is around 40-50mm shorter for an equivalent size for Cervelo
2. Minimum seat height is much higher on the Speedmax, limiting your ability to size up (if you are a shorter rider with long reach, which I am, so I am looking at this)

1: The Canyon reach chart is the BACK of the pads. Are you factoring this in when comparing fit co-ordinates which are often to mid pad (i.e. 40-50mm more)? Cervelo specs this the same way of course so it is a bit shorter
2: Min seat height - I used to have the previous Speedmax and the min seat height was dictated by the rear bottle adapter attachment. If you ran with a conventional aftermarket saddle mounted version, you could get the seatpost lower. I don't know if this is the same on this new version but since the bottle mount looks the same, I assume it might be.
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What power meter does the disc model come with? I don't see it listed in the components section.

Bike radar lists it as 4iiii, or SRAM/quarq on the SRAM models.

Bike radar also lists the crank lengths I was looking for,

XS 165
S and M 170
L 172.5
XL 175

Shorter, but arguably not short enough.
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And is it just me or all the pros riding the new bike seem worse fit wise than on the prior model?

Probably they are not fitted on them at all due to not being able to just take them anywhere until today.
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Seems like a pretty will thought out bike:
- Discrete flat kit storage above the bottom bracket
- Well integrated hydration and bento box that don't add area onto the frame
- Looks like easy adjustability in the cockpit
- Ample tire clearance (for triathlon)

9-10 watts faster than the old Speedmax is impressive. Though I'm not sure we ever really had a clear picture of where the old Speedmax was compared to the Speed Concept, P5, etc.

Like all the top end bikes it doesn't come cheap. But I imagine plenty of dentists will be riding this bike in 2021

Matt
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Like all the top end bikes it doesn't come cheap. But I imagine plenty of dentists will be riding this bike in 2021


I'll be interested to see how many of these are sold. When the prices were lower it was almost a no brainer, and any warranty issues were the risk you took for value. I think a lot of people that have been holding out for these, myself included, are a bit disappointed. They are still better value across the entire range, but not so much that you instantly overlook the other brands anymore. I was literally poised waiting to buy, but sorry Canyon, I'm gone.
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I agree it's well thought out but I'm not sold on the execution of the in-frame bladder:
[imghttps://i.postimg.cc/...speedmax-bladder.jpg[/img]

I have five... six?... years on my Shiv Tri with integrated bladder. The Shiv bladder is much more "straight" without the weird kind the canyon bladder has. It also went into a much larger down tube through a much larger opening. The Shiv's bladder is a pain to get in place and get unkinked so you can fill it up all the way. After you do it a number of times you get a feel for the process. I'm quite confident that the Speedmax bladder will be a nightmare to install and that you'll almost never get the full capacity. Further, the Shiv's bladder cannot be filled super quick. The weight of fluid at the bottom of the bag puts tension on the top of the bag partially closing it. I see this being way way way worse with the Speedmax bag.

The bento looks a bit small for me. YMMV

I'll give them props on increased rear tire clearance. So long as that tire is on a wide disc wheel and shielded by the seat tube there should be no measurable increase in drag but with potentially improved compliance.
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boing wrote:
Cookiebuilder wrote:
so you can run wider tires and wider wheels. if you still run latex its nice to not pop your tires on a steep hill. Yes I have done it before with latex.


How wide do you need to go for a Tri/TT bike?

For the front, narrow is still aero. For the rear there's no downside to going wider so long as the tire is mounted to a suitably wide disc and properly shielded by the seat tube. The air back there is quite turbulent and, if anything, a wider surface would be easier to attach to and possibly aero positive.
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Interesting take on the bladder. These are probably things that people don't notice until they've owned the bike for a while and are never really covered in reviews. It would be interesting to see how much can fit inside the bento. I like having cliff bars with me and not sure they would fit. Hence the open-ness of the Speed Concepts bento is nice. Though I have lost gels and things when hitting a bump...

Matt
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Looks like mono spacers just like the SC:



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Not saying it's ugly...but this thing doesn't give me "German" vibes. It looks like an amalgamation of a bunch of other bikes and honestly screams open mold to be honest.

Noticed another bike with internal hydration!

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Yes, back of pad.

Also, I don't think this changes the fact that this bike is lacking in reach. Cervelo, Scott, Orbea uses back of Pad. Specialized does use pad center. I prefer using back of pad

I am mentioning those bikes as they are recent updates. Scott, Orbea, and Specailized are able to build in 100mm+ of pad adjustment. Cervelo can get around 80mm of reach adjustment with the PX cockpit.

For me, the lack of reach adjustment is a miss from a fit stand point. and I am echoing a comment earlier where the bike is lacking in reach. I do love the hydration system (no idea how they got around the specialized patent, but it's a win in my book), as it enables a narrow fore arm position.
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Now I know what this made me think of...the Scott bike.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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I find it funny, with this "beefy" bike look and oversized tubes, the riders seems rather small and tiny compared to the bike. I think that small athletes might look weird on this bike, as if they have a frame that is too big for them.
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Based on the GTN video the straw inside the bladder seems to be rigid, which will make it decently easy to put in IMO.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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kenlenuiuc wrote:
What power meter does the disc model come with? I don't see it listed in the components section.


Bike radar lists it as 4iiii, or SRAM/quarq on the SRAM models.

Bike radar also lists the crank lengths I was looking for,

XS 165
S and M 170
L 172.5
XL 175

Shorter, but arguably not short enough.

For a good marketing company the website is short on details. No PM type mentioned or information on the crank to include length. Also it shows other colors on the landing page but you can't order those colors. Silly to show what I guess is custom colors and not be able to buy them.
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jn46 wrote:
kenlenuiuc wrote:
What power meter does the disc model come with? I don't see it listed in the components section.


Bike radar lists it as 4iiii, or SRAM/quarq on the SRAM models.

Bike radar also lists the crank lengths I was looking for,

XS 165
S and M 170
L 172.5
XL 175

Shorter, but arguably not short enough.

For a good marketing company the website is short on details. No PM type mentioned or information on the crank to include length. Also it shows other colors on the landing page but you can't order those colors. Silly to show what I guess is custom colors and not be able to buy them.

Yes, all seems a bit rushed.
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Just finished watching GTNs video as well as Lionel video. Must say I am impressed. They've addressed all the storage/toolkit/hydration issues all while making the frame decently faster (I think they quoted 9 watts?) for me this is a much better looking frame than the Scott and allows for narrow arm position which the new Scott did not (bento box between arms in the way). Could be my next Superbike if my questions below get answers!

Couple concerns I have are:
1. Are there options to choose different crank lengths during purchase? I think the trend now is towards shorter cranks and the ones posted aren't short enough.
2. I need to see how easy it is to remove and refill the bladder. That looks like a nightmare if you get it wrong and are filling it with anything that is not pure water.
3. Any options for 3rd party bar extensions or are we locked into the canyon specific one?
4. Need more clarity on the tilt options for the bars. I noticed immediately that Lionel high hands position on previous speedmax changed to flat due to possible lack of adjustability. During press conference in GTN video the boys from canyon said "and this spacer gives 13 to 14 degrees tilt" then mentioned something about 30 degrees but didn't show that spacer.
5. Needs more clarity on reach adjustment. Can more be achieved with aftermarket pads or are we limited to the ergon pads.

Very excited about the new specific traveling bag!
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Interesting take on the bladder. These are probably things that people don't notice until they've owned the bike for a while and are never really covered in reviews. It would be interesting to see how much can fit inside the bento. I like having cliff bars with me and not sure they would fit. Hence the open-ness of the Speed Concepts bento is nice. Though I have lost gels and things when hitting a bump...

Yeah but that's a bento problem, not a bike problem. One can always find a better bento if you need one that's larger, smaller, more secure, etc. To that end I think the monopost should have been wider, deeper, and snug up close to where one might mount a conventional bento. That's just my $0.02. Canyon's solution definitely looks clean.
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Not saying it's ugly...but this thing doesn't give me "German" vibes. It looks like an amalgamation of a bunch of other bikes and honestly screams open mold to be honest.

Noticed another bike with internal hydration!

...I wonder what Specialized is doing with their patent
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Based on the GTN video the straw inside the bladder seems to be rigid, which will make it decently easy to put in IMO.

I still very much have my doubts...
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Why do people think it needs to be standard to have Disc brakes on a TT bike lol? Either way I look forward to buying one of these that has been ridden twice for half price next offseason.
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Just finished watching GTNs video as well as Lionel video. Must say I am impressed. They've addressed all the storage/toolkit/hydration issues all while making the frame decently faster (I think they quoted 9 watts?) for me this is a much better looking frame than the Scott and allows for narrow arm position which the new Scott did not (bento box between arms in the way). Could be my next Superbike if my questions below get answers!

Couple concerns I have are:
1. Are there options to choose different crank lengths during purchase? I think the trend now is towards shorter cranks and the ones posted aren't short enough.
2. I need to see how easy it is to remove and refill the bladder. That looks like a nightmare if you get it wrong and are filling it with anything that is not pure water.
3. Any options for 3rd party bar extensions or are we locked into the canyon specific one?
4. Need more clarity on the tilt options for the bars. I noticed immediately that Lionel high hands position on previous speedmax changed to flat due to possible lack of adjustability. During press conference in GTN video the boys from canyon said "and this spacer gives 13 to 14 degrees tilt" then mentioned something about 30 degrees but didn't show that spacer.
5. Needs more clarity on reach adjustment. Can more be achieved with aftermarket pads or are we limited to the ergon pads.

Very excited about the new specific traveling bag!

If you look at Jan's in the GTN video he has custom extensions.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Parts of it remind me of the CUBE TT bike...the BB & top tube sorta look similar.
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In the Lionel video...the bladder has an easy refill spot.

Could use some work on the paint job generally, however this is already growing on me. The Shiv took forever for me to be about, not really into the sail still, but it's not as bad anymore.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Interesting take on the bladder. These are probably things that people don't notice until they've owned the bike for a while and are never really covered in reviews. It would be interesting to see how much can fit inside the bento. I like having cliff bars with me and not sure they would fit. Hence the open-ness of the Speed Concepts bento is nice. Though I have lost gels and things when hitting a bump...


Yeah but that's a bento problem, not a bike problem. One can always find a better bento if you need one that's larger, smaller, more secure, etc. To that end I think the monopost should have been wider, deeper, and snug up close to where one might mount a conventional bento. That's just my $0.02. Canyon's solution definitely looks clean.

If you want a bigger bento, the CF is a great solution I would think? Not sure why they would go to all these lengths to make a bike more integrated then make it thicker and more aero and give add on solutions.

But no bike is a perfect solution for everyone, obviously. But I would think the CF with some changes could be super slick as well. Complete with bento changing capability.

DFRU - Detta Family Racing Unit...the kids like it and we all get out and after it...gotta keep the fam involved!
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I'm a little unhappy with the front end. It's just a little... beefy. I also don't like the spacers for angling the extensions. I think the tilt system at the axis of the pads is a much better way to go than at the grip handles alone as this bike has. The big scoop-style arm pads that are an add on for the future are interesting, but for $8000 from a DTC brand like Canyon, I don't want to buy ANYTHING else after spending almost as much (or more) than competitors. It's a bit heavy, a bit fat looking, and not exactly innovative on the fit adjustability. I think the standard for front ends is the TriRig Alpha X at this point, and anything new (since that bar came out), should be as good or better. That does not appear to be the case to me here. The new Orbea is better looking and cheaper, with what looks like better adjustability, and the new Scott's weirdness and chunkiness look like the winner between it and the more bland Canyon, to me. Ultimately, it's a little disappointing to me. I like it, I'd ride it, but I wouldn't buy it over the other stuff on the market at that price. A QR PRSix disc with a TriRig bar or the Orbea outright are the winners in value/looks to me at the moment.
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9-10 watts faster than the old Speedmax is impressive. Though I'm not sure we ever really had a clear picture of where the old Speedmax was compared to the Speed Concept, P5, etc.

Tour Magazin did a comparative test

Digitising their numbers and plugging into Kona course model for a 4hr rider (45kph) puts the old Speedmax 12w behind the P5-Three rim brake.
So 9-10w improvement means Canyon are now into the range of the top flight bikes.

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In frame water storage for me is a hard pass. I much prefer bta setup. If you forget to clean it, and it has anything but water in it that could be either a nightmare, or expensive. AKA you use tribike transport and don't see your bike for 2 weeks. It also makes training on it a bit more difficult as bta bottles are just so easy. That and Canyon here in states anyway sold because they were a great value. Thousands less than the competition. This bike is just as expensive as a Cervelo, and that makes the decision super easy. Not to mention this one is heavy.

For me there are 4 bikes our right now in the new disc superbike category, not counting the Pxx series. I don't count the Scott and Specialized as to me, they are ugly and just way too expensive to be anything other than a curiosity. It's not even that I can't afford them, I just refuse to pay that much for a bike. Per my personal ranking:


P5 Disc
Argon18
Orbea
Canyon

in that order. I would move the Orbea up if they had a nice deep bento box, but no bento is a big minus.
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9-10 watts faster than the old Speedmax is impressive. Though I'm not sure we ever really had a clear picture of where the old Speedmax was compared to the Speed Concept, P5, etc.


Tour Magazin did a comparative test

Digitising their numbers and plugging into Kona course model for a 4hr rider (45kph) puts the old Speedmax 12w behind the P5-Three rim brake.
So 9-10w improvement means Canyon are now into the range of the top flight bikes.

Yeah, I was going to point out the same thing. At best, they've brought themselves even, though they're not telling anyone what configuration they were comparing.

I recommend Canyon's to my clients every day, but I think they blew it on pricing. I just wrote this to a client who wanted to know if the bike fit him and my thoughts...

$8K gets you a Cervelo P3x or, better yet, a TriRig Omni after installing electronic shifting (actually, the TriRig would be less). Canyon is saving 30-40 points by not selling through bike shops, most of which they were passing along to the consumer in savings. Now they're just keeping it for themselves. I'm thinking that could backfire on them. Most people purchased Canyon because it was just as good as any other bike for a lower price. Now it's just as good as any other bike. Just another bike to choose from, but no compelling reason to buy it. I was joking with an industry friend that Cervelo and Felt must be all smiles today.


Perhaps a little harsh, but honestly what's the differentiator now? I'm hard-pressed to find one from their Tri bike offerings. Great bikes, to be sure, but nothing more than anyone else.

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Thanks for digging that up and sharing

Matt
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9-10 watts faster than the old Speedmax is impressive. Though I'm not sure we ever really had a clear picture of where the old Speedmax was compared to the Speed Concept, P5, etc.


Tour Magazin did a comparative test

Digitising their numbers and plugging into Kona course model for a 4hr rider (45kph) puts the old Speedmax 12w behind the P5-Three rim brake.
So 9-10w improvement means Canyon are now into the range of the top flight bikes.

Interesting. Looks like I'm still not giving up much (if anything?) with my Speed Concept or my optimized Shiv (extrapolating from the Felt IA and and Cervelo P5-3 data)
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Perhaps a little harsh, but honestly what's the differentiator now? I'm hard-pressed to find one from their Tri bike offerings. Great bikes, to be sure, but nothing more than anyone else.

Much kinder than what I told one of my clients...
Although, I haven't found much to get excited about in any of the recent tri bike releases. For all the talk of convergence there isn't consistency in solving the requirements of a tri bike.

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I was joking with an industry friend that Cervelo and Felt must be all smiles today.

What does felt have up their sleeves??

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Welp, there goes my current thinking...back to square one.
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not to mention geometry pic is out of tune with teh legend to it
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One thing that annoys me is the canyon text is not centered but lowered on the downtube, just why? Is it Diamondback that does the same? The old position was perfect/normal!


I would have been a speedmax cfslx owner if the old one came in XL, this one does which is great! I also like they build a 650cc X's! I love the tool kit integration and bento box, but the bladder I'm very unsure of, I loved the old speedmax look.

Biggest issue is the price, I know pm is now included but it is 3k dollars more expensive than a last year's paint scheme cd slx. Sadly simply out of my price range.
So who is left? Giant and Trek?
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Perhaps a little harsh, but honestly what's the differentiator now? I'm hard-pressed to find one from their Tri bike offerings. Great bikes, to be sure, but nothing more than anyone else.

Well I'll say that if I was in the market for a more mainstream tri bike and being someone who can afford whatever they want, that this would be it. The refinement of things like the hose routing for the bladder, bento and tools amongst other things is awesome and isn't what I find hideously ugly IMO to the Scott without the bladder hose refinement. I see it as a very innovative packed bike with all the little finishing touches I find appealing and very few other bikes would come close to comparing. I understand most people could not afford or justify this bike but for someone in my position it ticks all the boxes and would be top of the list if I could get a decent fit. I am not sure what the world demand will be but I am sure there will be many out on course.

I am somewhat surprised in what seems a jump in bike prices in recent times but it is the same with so many things boats, caravans, outboard motors, cars... in Australia during this covid period.
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Interesting. Looks like I'm still not giving up much (if anything?) with my Speed Concept or my optimized Shiv (extrapolating from the Felt IA and and Cervelo P5-3 data)

You're not giving anything up with the SC. This is why I am finding new bike releases so uninspiring. My P5 I've had since 2012 hasn't been beaten for aero, fits as wide tyres as I want and is easier to work on than any of the new bikes. What would make me want to change is the Plasma6 geo (for XL) with P5 design.
And my Gen2 S5 unsurpassed as well, so I'm getting that repainted because road bikes are disappointing me too.
Given my enthusiasm for bikes these feel like dismal times (I live somewhere that Covid is barely an issue so this year hasn't been all that dismal aside from boring bikes).

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$8K gets you a Cervelo P3x or, better yet, a TriRig Omni after installing electronic shifting (actually, the TriRig would be less). Canyon is saving 30-40 points by not selling through bike shops, most of which they were passing along to the consumer in savings. Now they're just keeping it for themselves. I'm thinking that could backfire on them. Most people purchased Canyon because it was just as good as any other bike for a lower price. Now it's just as good as any other bike. Just another bike to choose from, but no compelling reason to buy it. I was joking with an industry friend that Cervelo and Felt must be all smiles today.

Perhaps a little harsh, but honestly what's the differentiator now? I'm hard-pressed to find one from their Tri bike offerings. Great bikes, to be sure, but nothing more than anyone else.

Ever done any aero testing with the Omni ?

Looking forward to seeing if 14 degrees tilt really is the max on the Canyon, as it seems very low to me nowadays.

Other than that I find it a nice bike, though I'm not the biggest fan of integrated hydration. I like what Reap just launched in term of integrating a standard bottle into an high end aerobar. I'd rather see a brand try and make standard bottles as aero as it gets on a bike than integrating hydration... swapping bottle from behind saddle to aerobar is just so much faster and safer than filling an integrated solution IMHO.

I do agree with you it's an expensive "consumer direct" superbike :-( .
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GreenPlease wrote:

Interesting. Looks like I'm still not giving up much (if anything?) with my Speed Concept or my optimized Shiv (extrapolating from the Felt IA and and Cervelo P5-3 data)


You're not giving anything up with the SC. This is why I am finding new bike releases so uninspiring. My P5 I've had since 2012 hasn't been beaten for aero, fits as wide tyres as I want and is easier to work on than any of the new bikes. What would make me want to change is the Plasma6 geo (for XL) with P5 design.
And my Gen2 S5 unsurpassed as well, so I'm getting that repainted because road bikes are disappointing me too.
Given my enthusiasm for bikes these feel like dismal times (I live somewhere that Covid is barely an issue so this year hasn't been all that dismal aside from boring bikes).

so you finally gave up regreting the sale of your p4 ?
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pk wrote:
so you finally gave up regreting the sale of your p4 ?

I'm no quitter.
The hunt continues

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i was really interested to see what Canyon brought out as i'm looking to replace my 2015 BMC Time Machine.

I like the integrated hydration, for me i don't want bottles on the DT and i don't really want to have to install a third party BTA solution (i have that now and it's hit and miss). The fact that the Canyone integrated hydration can take a full 750ml bottle (ish) is a big positive over the Scott.

I like the tool integration as well. And discs are good, becuase it means i can have one set of wheels to share between my road bike and race bike.

But i think they've hugely dropped the ball on pricing, there's now no comparative advantage to make up for the lack of customer service etc
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Like a few others on here, I am left disappointed after the announcement. Not by the bike itself - I think it is fantastic and I love the integration - but the price.

I am needing a new bike, delayed my pre-purchase bike fit to accommodate for the new Speedmax release, and I was really hoping it would fit me well since they were such good value for money previously.

But to increase the price on a like-for-like bike from the previous generation by £2K? I have now moved from the position of hoping the fitter gives me the thumbs up so I can pull the trigger, to uncertainty and not knowing what I’ll be riding next year.

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Not sure I follow what others are saying about the massive price increase.

Last year's CF SLX UltegraDi2 is $7500 and the new one is $8000 and comes with a power meter. Basically $0 increase subtracting the cost of the PM.

Last year's CF SLX Dura-Ace Di2 is $10500 (on sale now for 9K) and this years (called the CFR) is $12k with a power meter so not a big increase (maybe 500-1000 after cost of PM?).

And for the entry level version (non-SLX) they seem to have increased $500.

Cheers, Ray
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I think it also depends on regional pricing. Ultegra Di2 in the UK was around £6.5K for the previous generation, so a significant price increase.

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cyclenutnz wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
Interesting. Looks like I'm still not giving up much (if anything?) with my Speed Concept or my optimized Shiv (extrapolating from the Felt IA and and Cervelo P5-3 data)

You're not giving anything up with the SC. This is why I am finding new bike releases so uninspiring. My P5 I've had since 2012 hasn't been beaten for aero, fits as wide tyres as I want and is easier to work on than any of the new bikes. What would make me want to change is the Plasma6 geo (for XL) with P5 design.
And my Gen2 S5 unsurpassed as well, so I'm getting that repainted because road bikes are disappointing me too.
Given my enthusiasm for bikes these feel like dismal times (I live somewhere that Covid is barely an issue so this year hasn't been all that dismal aside from boring bikes).

I have bike only testing on the old Speedmax. It's 2-4w slower than the premier tactical getting slower as the yaw angle increases, which means this new Plasma is at most 4w faster than a P5-6 iirc all the numbers from the aerobike shoot out.

Makes me feel good about the P3X I bought to replace the scott Plasma premium 3 that I mod'd the F out of to make it +/- 2w faster/slower than the premier depending on the yaw angle.

Also I know someone who may be selling a P4. What size are you?

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I think it also depends on regional pricing. Ultegra Di2 in the UK was around £6.5K for the previous generation, so a significant price increase.

If you go on US website the prices still seem reasonable. It's essentially swapping the £ figure to USD, even though exchange rate 1.3ish. You'd think prices would be comparatively higher for a european company in the US market. I wonder if they are still trying to tap into the bigger US triathlon scene and recoup the profits from European sales.

For those of you in US wondering about our European pricing concerns, to paint the simplest picture the bottom end entry level 105 CF 7 model has gone up 1062usd based on current GBP/USD exchange rates. This continues all the way up the ladder.
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it's interesting that the latest Plasma and now Speedmax have moved more towards the very fat downtube of the Shiv from a while ago with the bladder stored within.

i thought this shape was shown to perform poorly aerodynamically in real world wind conditions?....hence the previous iterations of the Plasma and Speedmax and now latest Shiv all had/ have relatively skinny tubes.

maybe they've refined it so the shape can work with the airflow rather than being so draggy, as these companies have become a bit more savvy with real world testing and the development of mobile aero measuring devices. just my thought when seeing these bikes for the first time.

i also found it interesting that the main 'leap forward' in both the Plasma and Speedmax are the enhanced user friendliness of the bikes. the previous generations had reached this 'peak aero' level where there's little room left for real world aero gains, but as they're around the first generation of bikes to really get to this, were still very fiddly to live and travel with - as Kienle even alluded to in his video. so a big area for potential development seems to have been making that level of aero performance, user friendly.

there's a bit more integration, obviously also the move to disc brakes, but that's a big price to pay on both these options for additional user friendliness.

i would for sure love to have one of these bikes, but probably couldn't justify spending that amount of money on making life easier in terms of travelling with the bike. maybe the extra adjustability for getting your position on the bike can get you closer to reaching the aero potential of the bike too - but it's still very theoretical due to the extremely uncontrolled environmental conditions of a race.

however, i do like that they have recognised that the normal racing conditions are so uncontrolled that you just can't create an overall aero package as it's impossible to say how airflow coming off one part of the bike will be affected in changing conditions for how it will interact with the rest of the rider, bike and wheels. so they've concentrated on making sure each part is clean and works well, e.g. the forks and chainstays now being wider so as not to interact with the wheels. maybe this and the user friendliness all come under the improved usability of the bikes which means the user can get closer to the maximum theoretical performance of the bikes.

i'll definitely be more interested in the next iteration of the Plasma and Speedmax once they bring the weight back down and probably refine the handling a little more as these are very new frame concepts.

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I was joking with an industry friend that Cervelo and Felt must be all smiles today.

What does felt have up their sleeves??

I never meant to indicate either Cervelo or Felt had something in the pipeline, though I know of one bike that hasn't yet been announced. Then there'll be a big one probably next year as well I'm certainly interested to see.

I think these are fine bikes from Canyon. Nothing groundbreaking, but good nonetheless. I find many folks don't use their in-frame hydration due to the fluid getting warm, so that isn't much of a selling point to me. The lack of more tilt is a reflection of the athletes they sponsor and a big miss, but they're not alone there. The CF with a Aeria hydration bottle up front is likely the better bike overall.

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Perhaps a little harsh, but honestly what's the differentiator now? I'm hard-pressed to find one from their Tri bike offerings. Great bikes, to be sure, but nothing more than anyone else.


Well I'll say that if I was in the market for a more mainstream tri bike and being someone who can afford whatever they want, that this would be it. The refinement of things like the hose routing for the bladder, bento and tools amongst other things is awesome and isn't what I find hideously ugly IMO to the Scott without the bladder hose refinement. I see it as a very innovative packed bike with all the little finishing touches I find appealing and very few other bikes would come close to comparing. I understand most people could not afford or justify this bike but for someone in my position it ticks all the boxes and would be top of the list if I could get a decent fit. I am not sure what the world demand will be but I am sure there will be many out on course.

I am somewhat surprised in what seems a jump in bike prices in recent times but it is the same with so many things boats, caravans, outboard motors, cars... in Australia during this covid period.

Here's my yeah, but. For years Canyon did "paid advertising" with all the reviews and placement in magazines stating that you save money with their brand being direct to consumer, cutting out a tier of distribution. However, today, there are no cost savings. Is this bike easier to wrench than their previous bikes? At the end of the day if you don't know how to build a bike you're taking it to a local mechanic, if things break it's hard to get Canyon specific parts (at least in the US unless things have changed during the pandemic). They hate talking to bike shop mechanics and only want to talk with bike owners. And most bike owners (like myself) are out of their depth if something is broken.

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I build and wrench my own bikes so not a concern. I hadn’t thought of that so I wouldn’t be swayed. I was just adding some perspective as I think it’s as stunning bike but I guess some doctors bikes may be running a bit rough then.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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12W?? How did you come with that number? I’ve downloaded that test, there’s 4.2W difference vs P5?
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12W?? How did you come with that number? I’ve downloaded that test, there’s 4.2W difference vs P5?

What I'm wondering is Canyon admitting the old bike was a dog, or the new one is blindingly faster than the competition?
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Yeah, i guess there’s different version of truth - depending where you put your ear . I am trying to understand why many believe Cervelo or Spec are are so much superior to other brands. Not specifically to Canyon, just in general.
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I liked the bladder too but when looking at the video i found the construction a bit annoying . Usually I would freeze my bottle before the race, but with this system you need to pass through the top cover which couldn't be done because the bladder is frozen or you would need to leave my bike with the top cover off overnight - not very an ideal setup- and I actually dont think the bladders might not pass through the opening if frozen.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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I was all in on the bike till I saw the price!

Also the reach seems short.

At this price as other have said it just does not seem like a great value anymore.

I can get a P5D with easier front end adj and better local support.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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However, today, there are no cost savings.

I disagree in general.

The Aeroad CFR Disc Red AXS (e.g. a completely loaded aero road bike) is $9000 USD.

The Trek Madone SLR 9 with Red AXS is $12,500.

Tarmac SL7 with Red is $12,300.

Same with MTB. A Lux CF SLX 9 LTD, an absolute high-end XC bike is $7500. S-Works Epic is $11,500.

The price differentials carry all the way down to entry-level.

I agree that the $12K high end on this bike is about the same as the high end Cervelo, Specialized bikes.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
Interesting. Looks like I'm still not giving up much (if anything?) with my Speed Concept or my optimized Shiv (extrapolating from the Felt IA and and Cervelo P5-3 data)

You're not giving anything up with the SC. This is why I am finding new bike releases so uninspiring. My P5 I've had since 2012 hasn't been beaten for aero, fits as wide tyres as I want and is easier to work on than any of the new bikes. What would make me want to change is the Plasma6 geo (for XL) with P5 design.
And my Gen2 S5 unsurpassed as well, so I'm getting that repainted because road bikes are disappointing me too.
Given my enthusiasm for bikes these feel like dismal times (I live somewhere that Covid is barely an issue so this year hasn't been all that dismal aside from boring bikes).

I have bike only testing on the old Speedmax. It's 2-4w slower than the premier tactical getting slower as the yaw angle increases, which means this new Plasma is at most 4w faster than a P5-6 iirc all the numbers from the aerobike shoot out.

Makes me feel good about the P3X I bought to replace the scott Plasma premium 3 that I mod'd the F out of to make it +/- 2w faster/slower than the premier depending on the yaw angle.

Also I know someone who may be selling a P4. What size are you?

Side note re:p3x ..... intriguing bike and clearly tests fast. Would you reccomend this bus to a sprint triathlete who prob doesn’t need to uhaul Everything who lives in flat land? Or the standard p5?
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Yeah, I think we were just referencing the tri bikes. Aeroad is a smoking deal.

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Well your first problem is you like SRAM ;P

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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Well your first problem is you like SRAM ;P

I adore SRAM!
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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And...when the P6 comes out...it's going to make this one seem even doggier. Cervelo will study this, incorporate the feedback pros & cons of the competition & then that will be the next "schizmo" everyone will want.
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I like the frame design of "lower end" CF model much more then previous. Thinking about CF 7 (which is around 3699 EUR, which has quite OK wheels I think, new frame, and after that replacing the 105 with some Di2 or SRAM electronic shifting and then adding powermeter as well.

I think that would be the best way budget wise getting the Speedmax with electronic shifting ... Not sure if the H30 base bar is ok with adding electronic shifting aftewards since it has hydraulic brakes ... what do you think?
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Here is the thing though for less than 2500 euros you can get a p-series: https://www.sigmasports.com/...thlon-Bike-2020/O43R. Add the wheels you actually want and you will have a better bike than the CF7 with more money left over to upgrade. The Ultegra/hydraulic equipped p-series is about 800 euros more, which given you don't want the wheels or groupset, is a harder sell in this scenario, but remains a better prospect than the CF 7.

Overall by pricing the Speedmax so it is equivalent to the other main stream offerings it has killed the value prospect unless they are equally willing to offer big discounts on year end models. When you can get an all singing all dancing PX-series for about 8000 euros (https://www.sigmasports.com/...thlon-Bike-2020/ODUT) why would buy a SF SLX?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Not replying in particular...

When I first saw the bike I was like "Wow, amazing!" Now I'm kinda "Meh...", especially with the price. Nothing really ground breaking, it just incorporates technologies and features that have been around for years in a really nice, clean package

I don't like that you cant mount a BTA round bottle cage (unless there are brackets for the beam they haven't shown us yet, and then there's no real place for a computer. How hard would it have been to put a couple bottle cage bosses on that beam?) I will always run a BTA, even with an internal bladder, as that's just how I roll. I like to grab a bottle at aid stations, slam it in the BTA as quickly as possible and get the hell away from the aid station carnage safely. The number of crashes I've seen at aid stations from volunteers and competitors dropping bottles and swerving all over the road.... No time to faff with squirting fluids into a bladder for me.

The cockpit seems to have been designed for people who run super narrow arm pads and minimal angled bars (Frodeno...). Yes it is a super bike, and that may be a faster aero setup, but many, many amateurs and pros prefer BTAs.

Must say it does look super clean tho.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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TheStroBro wrote:
Shambolic wrote:
Jim@EROsports wrote:
Perhaps a little harsh, but honestly what's the differentiator now? I'm hard-pressed to find one from their Tri bike offerings. Great bikes, to be sure, but nothing more than anyone else.


Well I'll say that if I was in the market for a more mainstream tri bike and being someone who can afford whatever they want, that this would be it. The refinement of things like the hose routing for the bladder, bento and tools amongst other things is awesome and isn't what I find hideously ugly IMO to the Scott without the bladder hose refinement. I see it as a very innovative packed bike with all the little finishing touches I find appealing and very few other bikes would come close to comparing. I understand most people could not afford or justify this bike but for someone in my position it ticks all the boxes and would be top of the list if I could get a decent fit. I am not sure what the world demand will be but I am sure there will be many out on course.

I am somewhat surprised in what seems a jump in bike prices in recent times but it is the same with so many things boats, caravans, outboard motors, cars... in Australia during this covid period.


At the end of the day if you don't know how to build a bike you're taking it to a local mechanic, if things break it's hard to get Canyon specific parts (at least in the US unless things have changed during the pandemic). They hate talking to bike shop mechanics and only want to talk with bike owners. And most bike owners (like myself) are out of their depth if something is broken.

That makes it a hard "NO" for me then. Something on a bike will always break or need adjustment.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [IamSpartacus] [ In reply to ]
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IamSpartacus wrote:
desert dude wrote:
cyclenutnz wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
Interesting. Looks like I'm still not giving up much (if anything?) with my Speed Concept or my optimized Shiv (extrapolating from the Felt IA and and Cervelo P5-3 data)

You're not giving anything up with the SC. This is why I am finding new bike releases so uninspiring. My P5 I've had since 2012 hasn't been beaten for aero, fits as wide tyres as I want and is easier to work on than any of the new bikes. What would make me want to change is the Plasma6 geo (for XL) with P5 design.
And my Gen2 S5 unsurpassed as well, so I'm getting that repainted because road bikes are disappointing me too.
Given my enthusiasm for bikes these feel like dismal times (I live somewhere that Covid is barely an issue so this year hasn't been all that dismal aside from boring bikes).

I have bike only testing on the old Speedmax. It's 2-4w slower than the premier tactical getting slower as the yaw angle increases, which means this new Plasma is at most 4w faster than a P5-6 iirc all the numbers from the aerobike shoot out.

Makes me feel good about the P3X I bought to replace the scott Plasma premium 3 that I mod'd the F out of to make it +/- 2w faster/slower than the premier depending on the yaw angle.

Also I know someone who may be selling a P4. What size are you?

Side note re:p3x ..... intriguing bike and clearly tests fast. Would you reccomend this bus to a sprint triathlete who prob doesn’t need to uhaul Everything who lives in flat land? Or the standard p5?

Not addressed to me, but if you don’t need to haul a ton of stuff on your bike, I’d have a look at the new Orbea. After all of these releases, that’s been the best overall one from my POV.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [blueapplepaste] [ In reply to ]
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blueapplepaste wrote:
IamSpartacus wrote:
desert dude wrote:
cyclenutnz wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:

Interesting. Looks like I'm still not giving up much (if anything?) with my Speed Concept or my optimized Shiv (extrapolating from the Felt IA and and Cervelo P5-3 data)


You're not giving anything up with the SC. This is why I am finding new bike releases so uninspiring. My P5 I've had since 2012 hasn't been beaten for aero, fits as wide tyres as I want and is easier to work on than any of the new bikes. What would make me want to change is the Plasma6 geo (for XL) with P5 design.
And my Gen2 S5 unsurpassed as well, so I'm getting that repainted because road bikes are disappointing me too.
Given my enthusiasm for bikes these feel like dismal times (I live somewhere that Covid is barely an issue so this year hasn't been all that dismal aside from boring bikes).


I have bike only testing on the old Speedmax. It's 2-4w slower than the premier tactical getting slower as the yaw angle increases, which means this new Plasma is at most 4w faster than a P5-6 iirc all the numbers from the aerobike shoot out.

Makes me feel good about the P3X I bought to replace the scott Plasma premium 3 that I mod'd the F out of to make it +/- 2w faster/slower than the premier depending on the yaw angle.

Also I know someone who may be selling a P4. What size are you?


Side note re:p3x ..... intriguing bike and clearly tests fast. Would you reccomend this bus to a sprint triathlete who prob doesn’t need to uhaul Everything who lives in flat land? Or the standard p5?


Not addressed to me, but if you don’t need to haul a ton of stuff on your bike, I’d have a look at the new Orbea. After all of these releases, that’s been the best overall one from my POV.

I am falling more in love with the Argon 18 119+ tri disc...internal flat kit storage instead of the exterior one on the Orbea, integrated bento with stem and deeper than most (into frame) and slick 51 speedshop cockpit. Really looked into integration of the disc brakes - this might be the best of them all out there!

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I am falling more in love with the Argon 18 119+ tri disc...internal flat kit storage instead of the exterior one on the Orbea, integrated bento with stem and deeper than most (into frame) and slick 51 speedshop cockpit. Really looked into integration of the disc brakes - this might be the best of them all out there!

I'm with you on this one.

Both the canyo and argon ticks the boxes of my list currently...

But will need to see what configuration and pricing argon is releasing with. Information has been coming out in drips and drabs from them...
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Not sure I follow what others are saying about the massive price increase.

Last year's CF SLX UltegraDi2 is $7500 and the new one is $8000 and comes with a power meter. Basically $0 increase subtracting the cost of the PM.

Last year's CF SLX Dura-Ace Di2 is $10500 (on sale now for 9K) and this years (called the CFR) is $12k with a power meter so not a big increase (maybe 500-1000 after cost of PM?).

And for the entry level version (non-SLX) they seem to have increased $500.


Agree...

It has PM and zipp nsw 858...
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And...when the P6 comes out....

I wouldn't anticipate that for 3-4 years.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [trail] [ In reply to ]
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it seems this bike hasnt made much of a splash here.

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Here is the thing though for less than 2500 euros you can get a p-series: https://www.sigmasports.com/...thlon-Bike-2020/O43R. Add the wheels you actually want and you will have a better bike than the CF7 with more money left over to upgrade. The Ultegra/hydraulic equipped p-series is about 800 euros more, which given you don't want the wheels or groupset, is a harder sell in this scenario, but remains a better prospect than the CF 7.

Agree this deal with Cervelo P series looks super value ... It's basically on the price we have just P-series frame in Czechia. Since I'm a lot into the design etc. I like the Speedmax better though ... but as I said agree that the price/value with this Cervelo and potential to upgrade with specific budget looks great.
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trail wrote:
Rocky M wrote:
And...when the P6 comes out....


I wouldn't anticipate that for 3-4 years.

.....if not longer due to the pandemic affecting brands inventories. Movie development has slipped 12 months - expect many industries to do the same.
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Pricing seems to vary depending on where you are.

In Europe:

Speedmax CFR DISC Di2 / Dura-Ace Di2 R9150, DT Swiss ARC 1100 Dicut - 9.999€

Cervelo P5 Disc / DuraAce Di2 R9150 / DT Swiss ARC 1100 - 9.699€

I'm sure Canyon will sell plenty bikes but yeah... the price difference is gone and so is my putative interest. And I could get an Orbea or a Cervelo serviced/warrantied 10 or 2 minutes away from my house respectively. Hard pass.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [UK Gearmuncher] [ In reply to ]
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Replying to the thread in general.

On the old rim brake SLX model I had a fighting chance of fitting the bike, just scraping into the range on the Medium with the pads slammed. Assuming my coordinates are the right position for me (575/510 pad y/x) then I don't care if the bike saves 9w or 29w if I have to sit up to ride the thing.

Looking at the geo charts for both the new CFR and CF SLX disc brake models, I need size Small for pad stack. Which gives me a maximum pad reach of 440mm. Even allowing for the measurement taken to the back of the pad, if my position was 510mm to centre of a "traditional" pad and I allow an extra 40-50mm, I'm coming up short.

The new bikes weren't made for me :-(. Admittedly I am an Alien in Dan's terminology, but I don't think I'm alone. On the old bikes they had different geometries between the top tier (long/low) and the lower tier (short/tall). Seems the full product range is a much taller bike. You can tell just looking at the head tube area.

Be interested to know what the fitters make of the new geometry. I'd have thought they would prefer a shorter frame giving the option to increase stack by adding pad risers. You can add stack, but you can't chop it off when it starts too high.

Sigh.

Cheers, Rich.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [damon.lebeouf] [ In reply to ]
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it seems this bike hasnt made much of a splash here.

No real innovation, disappointing price point, geo that might not accommodate some, “blah” paint scheme.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Thorax] [ In reply to ]
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Does the Cervelo includes a power meter?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [knighty76] [ In reply to ]
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Similar story for me. Like most of us, I can make one or two sizes from just about any brand work for me (usually fall between a 54/56 or M/L), but on the speedmax rim brake, given their seat height and stack min/max numbers, I wouldn't fit on anything. The new disc brake version seems to be a little more friendly, not sure.
But price and geography (for service/parts/warranty), probably a pass. The new Argon looks very attractive..
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Does the Cervelo includes a power meter?
No. I already have two. And DT Swiss ARC > Zipp 858.
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Canyon might not be the most innovative brand but I was always really happy with the price. But the new Speedmax is now as expensive as the high end brands which is quite disappointing.
But the thing that sets me up the most is the fact that Canyon just went shopping at all the big brands and copy+paste it on the new Speedmax. I always thought also, that Specialized has a patent on the hydration system in the down tube (that´s why felt wasn´t allowed to use it). Why would Canyon be allowed to use it?







And especially since there are so many other parts that are simply copy+paste. I would expact way more innovations for this amount of money!
Sorry Canyon, but this time I am out.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [TriBoom] [ In reply to ]
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I wasn't aware seat and chain stays were proprietary information

the world's still turning? >>>>>>> the world's still turning
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Why would Canyon be allowed to use it?

Patent protections don't last forever, otherwise you'd never have "generic" drugs. Design patents only last 14 years in the US, there is a possibility to achieve an extension but that requires Specialized to spend the money on that process. Also, Specialized went away from that in their newest design, however I kind of wonder how the new Scott Gel Bottle part doesn't have issues with the patent on the newest hydration stuff that Specialized has.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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TriBoom wrote:
Why would Canyon be allowed to use it?


Patent protections don't last forever, otherwise you'd never have "generic" drugs. Design patents only last 14 years in the US, there is a possibility to achieve an extension but that requires Specialized to spend the money on that process. Also, Specialized went away from that in their newest design, however I kind of wonder how the new Scott Gel Bottle part doesn't have issues with the patent on the newest hydration stuff that Specialized has.

Dont forget that patents can be shared
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Yes this is also true. Canyon and Scott may have purchased a license to the patent for all we know.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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TriBoom wrote:
Why would Canyon be allowed to use it?

Patent protections don't last forever, otherwise you'd never have "generic" drugs. Design patents only last 14 years in the US, there is a possibility to achieve an extension but that requires Specialized to spend the money on that process. Also, Specialized went away from that in their newest design, however I kind of wonder how the new Scott Gel Bottle part doesn't have issues with the patent on the newest hydration stuff that Specialized has.

My theory is that it was such a PITA in practice that Specialized decided that if other bike brands wanted to piss off their customers they should be free to do so 😂

Seriously though, I’ve used the Shiv bladder a lot, probably had it in and out of the frame at least 50x, and I can tell you that the Canyon implementation is going to SUCK.
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I'm not sure this bike is getting the credit it should. For $12K you are getting a halo Tri/TT bike with AXS, powermeter, and 858 NSW wheels. Putting it against the other disc brake TT superbikes, this is what I see:

Canyon Speedmax CFR Disc

There is nothing "extrananeous" about the Canyon, and yet it has the "holy trinity" of storage that triathletes seem to crave: snack box, hydration, and flat kit. It's the only bike as far as I can tell that has all three fully integrated within the frame. The integration is so complete and so slick that a number of the early comments in this thread referenced initial photos/screenshots and bemoaned the fact that this new Speedmax would not include storage or hydration. But it does! And it's innocuous enough that even the 20K/40K TTer will appreciate and take advantage of these features. I'm also, armed with nothing but anecdata, thinking that the wide fork of the Speedmax may play nicely with trispokes and other similar wheels up front.

Cervelo P5 Disc

An amazing bike, no question, but it's simply not as clean as the Canyon. You have a nosecone head tube that is not flush with the fork. Stem to bento box transition has a gap, and then the bento box sits on top of what on the Canyon is a flush top tube. For hydration. you need to slap a bottle somewhere outside the frame (down tube or BTA). On the plus side, the front end will be easier to move up/down, but the Canyon doesn't appear overly difficult in that respect.

Scott Plasma Premium

I can get past the weird aesthetic of the base frameset, but then we've got storage boxes slapped on, a hydration tube way too exposed, and BTA storage in front of the steering axis. To top it off, the bike is $15K.

Orbea Ordu

This one seems to be getting a lot of love here, and there are some things to like no question (flush top tube/base bar, mono riser), but I can't get past the fact that the below downtube storage looks like an e-bike battery. And again, that and the bottle are not integrated - they're slapped onto the frame. The closer we can get to a bike that looks like a track/pursuit bike, the better, and this isn't it.

** I can only upload 5 photos per post, so I'll continue with the last two bikes below **

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Shiv Tri / TT


I'm not quite sure what to make of the Shiv Tri. It has integrated hydration, but do I really want to deal with that massive water cooler in the back? And while I can credibly show up at a club or non-UCI TT with the Canyon, is that really going to fly with the Shiv Tri? The Shiv TT, on the other hand, is quite clean, but maybe too much? It seems like it's trying so hard to be a "climbing" TT bike that I'm skeptical how it performs in more typical circumstances, i.e. flat and rolling terrain. I do like how the TT comes with an "extra" Roval 321 disc in addition to the CLX64 "training" wheelset, though.

Argon E119+ Tri Disc


This one has something no other bike does (yet): integrated disc brakes (photo below). And the rest of the bike looks really nicely done, including the 51 Speedshop front end. But we don't have any integrated hydration/storage, and so we are left with another bento box affixed to, and abruptly ending on, the top tube. If you need hydration, you are going to need to add a bottle or rig something up. So as much as I appreciate the integrated brakes, the other lack of integration gives the Canyon the edge.


And just to be fair, here is that exposed brake cable that the Argon (and hopefully future tri/TT bikes) dispenses with, you can see how everything is smooth and clean on the left side of the photo and then on the right side, that brake cable has to go and ruin things:


I think Canyon has done really well here!

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You are mentioning that only the Speedmax has full integration but so does the Shiv. I think the bigger shock to everyone was first that Canyon did not come up with anything new / not seen before and that the price is very high considering they are running a B2C model which should allow for an extra 30-40% margin. Still a nice bike but so are all the other bikes you listed. Not sure why you would consider it an issue to rock up with the Shiv at a local race but that's up to everyone to decide for themselves.
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refthimos wrote:
Argon E119+ Tri Disc


This one has something no other bike does (yet): integrated disc brakes (photo below). And the rest of the bike looks really nicely done, including the 51 Speedshop front end. But we don't have any integrated hydration/storage, and so we are left with another bento box affixed to, and abruptly ending on, the top tube. If you need hydration, you are going to need to add a bottle or rig something up. So as much as I appreciate the integrated brakes, the other lack of integration gives the Canyon the edge.


And just to be fair, here is that exposed brake cable that the Argon (and hopefully future tri/TT bikes) dispenses with, you can see how everything is smooth and clean on the left side of the photo and then on the right side, that brake cable has to go and ruin things:


I think Canyon has done really well here!

Really nice write up of the bikes!

The Argon has flat storage above the bottom bracket as well, and then they made the bento go into the frame so it has significantly more storage than the bento leads you to believe. It's missing integrated hydration - but it's exceptional as well.

Thanks for the work on these though - Canyon and the Argon are my favorites and if I win the lottery it would be between those two for sure.

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You are mentioning that only the Speedmax has full integration but so does the Shiv.
I might be wrong, but with the Shiv Tri, doesn't it have two storage compartments, one the water tank in the back and the second *either* food or a flat kit? The Canyon has all three. And it's admittedly an aesthetic point, but the water tank on the Shiv isn't integrated into the frame itself, it attaches. So it's not completely integrated in the same way as the Canyon

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Not sure why you would consider it an issue to rock up with the Shiv at a local race but that's up to everyone to decide for themselves.
Fair enough, my point was mainly that at the vast majority of USAC TTs, there is no UCI jig or officials checking to see if your bike is UCI legal. So the Canyon will likely be just fine to race. But roll up in the Shiv Tri? I could see some eyebrows, if not protests, raised.

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I'm not sure this bike is getting the credit it should. For $12K you are getting a halo Tri/TT bike with AXS, powermeter, and 858 NSW wheels.

This. If you spec the others with AXS and 858, then the price gap grows significantly
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I agree with internal bladder on the canyon makes for the most elegant front end hydration solution. I have some doubts about how it works in practice though.

A real challenge with water bladders of this type is that when empty or partially empty the walls stick together making them difficult to fill and use. Camelbak has been optimizing solutions to this problem for years and that is why you fill camelbaks via a very large opening in the top of the bladder and then drain them via a hose connected at the bottom of the bladder. The bladder on the Specialized Shiv shares has these same principle design characteristics.

Looking at the design of the Speedmax bladder (https://www.canyon.com/...wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds) it is filled and drained via the same bottle neck port at what is the top of the bladder. For filling the size of the opening is not ideal while for draining the location is wrong. The bigger picture is that Standard BTA bottles are aero neutral with fancier systems improving aerodynamics. So its a balance of aesthetics vs usability and not about aerodynamic performance. Personally would rather stick an aftermarket system on a Cervelo, Orbea, Argon-18, etc than have to fight with Speedmax.
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Refthimos, thank you for your contribution to the thread.

When the bike was released, I ordered a CF SLX di2 build and look forward to its expected shipping date December 28. Looking at Canyon's website, there is a lot of love for this bike in the bike-buying population as delivery dates for many versions of the bike have pushed back until June.

For me, Canyon's online distribution model is a HUGE plus. I did not have to negotiate for price, haggle on price with my LBS where I have close relationships, or wonder who got a better deal. I got a price that is fair in my view for a bike that I prefer over the previous leading candidates to replace my 7.5 year old P5. (Scott Plasma 6, Cervelo PX). In the Taiwan market at least, even with the import tax I will pay, the Canyon was far cheaper than either of these bikes, and for me, I prefer the look and functionality of the Canyon over both.

The bike arrives assembled. I will need to fit the seat post and the wheels. I will leave the adjustment of my aerobar to my bike fitter, exactly as I would do if I bought a bike sold and constructed by my LBS. Again, I don't see how this disadvantage and it is another cost saving as my LBS charges to build bikes even if you buy them from the store. (which is fair, I agree with paying people for their work!) Fixing and adjusting normal wear and tear items will be the same for this bike as any other I could buy from my LBS.

I will order a few extra derailleur hangers to have on hand, but the rest of the stuff on the bike that can go wrong is mainly the drive train and wheels. Living in Taiwan, these parts are probably made here, (DT Swiss's wheels are!) Regardless of where you buy the bike, if you need to make a warranty claim on a frame, it's not a one day process. The 2 year warranty and 6 year guarantee (same as warranty but you have to pay for shipping expenses after the 2 year warranty) to me is reasonable because I hope in six years time there will be more innovations on the market and/or I will have different desires than I do today. Customer service has been outrageously awesome; the fit team sent me detailed information and knowledge about the choices I made. And if I have a question...website chat has been great.

I do not rely on my LBS for bike fits, choosing a professional fitter instead who helped me confirm the size of the frame and the few specific components I needed to choose for my build. (2 different stems, 3 lengths for the extensions). I do wish Canyon would let me change the crank lengths when I order the bike; it would seem an easy opportunity to further extend the benefits of their sales model. The flexibility in the fitting kit Canyon provides with every bike is more than enough for my current fit and any foreseeable evolution of that position. I think this would hold true for the vast majority of riders, even many of those who feel their body is exceptionally oddly proportioned.

A lot of people have talked about the internal hydration. I will use mine for water only in race and training and that makes cleaning easy. If I do use a sports drink in it, I will do what I already do with my trail running Hydrapak bladder...wash it with a denture cleaner, turn it inside out to dry, and voila, no residual taste leftover. At aid stations, my strategy with my BTA was always grab a first bottle of water and hold between my teeth, grab another bottle and put it in my rear cage, refill the BTA with the bottle from my teeth, drink any left over, toss bottle at/near disposal point. This will be no different except less splash, more room for my forearms up front, and less steering moment from sidewinds hitting the bottle. Other than the bladder costs more than a bottle ($45USD) or wanting to freeze drinks as mentioned in one post, I cannot see how this is not a step forward. I'll be sure to post if experience proves me right or wrong!

I'm really excited about this bike and I hope it will be blast to ride and enjoy!

My 2 cents (or more) from the peanut gallery!
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A nice read and interesting comparison between the bikes, but I think the p5 disc should be replaced with the PX when comparing a brands triathlon bikes. The PX is obviously the UCI illegal fully integrated Tri bike, the P5D can serve both purposes as Tri and UCI, so integration is never going to be as good, even though it is still "fast". You can get an aftermarket internal bladder adaptor for the PX, albeit at extra cost.

On the face of it the Canyons are still better value than other brands at this moment in time at full retail price, but that value isnt as good as it used to be and I think that is most peoples complaint. This is especially pertinent when in a years time other brands have their prices reduced up to 30% to clear stock for next years new paint jobs, whilst canyon hardly ever reduce more than 5-10%. That then makes the canyon look pricey for a bike with no local support if you intend to buy a year down the line.
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Bladders' in the down tube are nice at hiding water storage but for a long course you will see people adding bottles somewhere. So the comparison of a bike without internal water storage is moot unless you are only doing short courses.
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Shiv has the spare kit in the down tube beneath the bento box...
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I agree with internal bladder on the canyon makes for the most elegant front end hydration solution. I have some doubts about how it works in practice though.

A real challenge with water bladders of this type is that when empty or partially empty the walls stick together making them difficult to fill and use. Camelbak has been optimizing solutions to this problem for years and that is why you fill camelbaks via a very large opening in the top of the bladder and then drain them via a hose connected at the bottom of the bladder. The bladder on the Specialized Shiv shares has these same principle design characteristics.

Looking at the design of the Speedmax bladder (https://www.canyon.com/...wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds) it is filled and drained via the same bottle neck port at what is the top of the bladder. For filling the size of the opening is not ideal while for draining the location is wrong. The bigger picture is that Standard BTA bottles are aero neutral with fancier systems improving aerodynamics. So its a balance of aesthetics vs usability and not about aerodynamic performance. Personally would rather stick an aftermarket system on a Cervelo, Orbea, Argon-18, etc than have to fight with Speedmax.

Nailed it WRT hydration.
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Bladders' in the down tube are nice at hiding water storage but for a long course you will see people adding bottles somewhere. So the comparison of a bike without internal water storage is moot unless you are only doing short courses.

I do long course and my bike split comes in at about 5 hours.

I will use one bottle behind the saddle and the bladder. Each aid station I can grab and store 2 bottles worth of water; more than enough for steady drinking between aid stations for my needs. Refill the bladder with the bottle in the rear cage, put the empty bottle back into the cage, dispose at next aid station.

If you buy the seat post mounted bottle holder, it comes with the option to store 1 or 2 bottles. I think 2 bottles behind the saddle would still be less of an aero penalty than on the downtube; also depends on how quick you are about getting the bottle and getting back into the aero posiiton.
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Why would anyone get the CFR when for the same price you could pretty much get the CF with enough spare coin for a new disc wheel? What am I missing besides a few grams of weight?
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I went through that thought process...but had the silver chrome colour been available at the time, I would have made that irrational choice for the CFR over the CF SLX. In terms of the CFR vs the CF, for me the style watts meant the CF was not ever a consideration though I certainly appreciate that with the right parts it is a fast bike.
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I'd want an all black or at least something other than this color. I have a white bike & won't ever buy another white bike...they keep the grease and marks showing up for years to come. Not sure why Canyon doesn't have at least a nude carbon look or black as an option. Guessing Lange had a custom paint job...options would at least be a step forward for me on that.
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Rocky M wrote:
I'd want an all black or at least something other than this color. I have a white bike & won't ever buy another white bike...they keep the grease and marks showing up for years to come. Not sure why Canyon doesn't have at least a nude carbon look or black as an option. Guessing Lange had a custom paint job...options would at least be a step forward for me on that.


A man after my own heart. I too would have chosen the black bike if I one were offered.

Jan's bike is a complete custom paint job that matches his Frodissimo branding. Primarily a white bike, thin red racing strip along the bottom of the top tube, and trimmed in purple/blue. Beautiful machine if you are not the one washing it!
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Another part I don't understand is why anyone would go the sram version which is much more heavier and much more expensive?

The SLX Di2 seems to be a no brainier..?
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I'm also looking forward to seeing their new UCI legal bike (which has reportedly been delayed). I'm hoping it might provide more data-based reference points to their other current or previous bikes.
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I agree that bottles on the down tubes are an aero penalty. The chrono élite and few others like it are an exception depending on the bike. BTA depending on how you do it can come in at a zero aero cost. Other than ascetics, which I can argue are important when buying a bike, internal water storage is not a deal breaker aero wise. I'm not bagging on internal H2O storage at all. I just don't place a lot of importance on it when long course racing.
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I always struggled with the elite chronos bottle...wet hands, 180km brain fog, general lack of coordination in any circumstance :) :) :)

But you are right...having the right fuel/hydration for the distance will offset the aero penalty if not on bike speed, then certainly on run speed!
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talbotcox wrote:
The thing is a rocket!

After taking it out of the box and riding around the parking lot lionels first words when he rolled up was “I’m going to f$@in destroy these guys”. Night and day difference.


PTO..........this quote didn't live long.
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So you got the Canyon?

I am still torn and waiting to see if we finally see a new speed concept.

Having bought and sold the shiv disc after 4 rides I am a little more gun shy.

I wish canyon had copied the front end of the cervelo, would have made the decision easier. If I could get the Scott for the price of the Canyon I would buy the Scott. I still think the Cerevlo P5D may be the best deal out there, as you can negotiate discounts and have dealer support for any issues.

Need a sponsorship deal in 2021 from someone! lol

#decisions

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Rideon77 wrote:
talbotcox wrote:
The thing is a rocket!

After taking it out of the box and riding around the parking lot lionels first words when he rolled up was “I’m going to f$@in destroy these guys”. Night and day difference.



PTO..........this quote didn't live long.

So the 3rd fastest bike split @ over 30mph in the men's field is a failure?

Cheers, Ray
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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May I ask why you sold the Shiv Disc? Also waiting for Trek to move but considering the Shiv as the Canyon won't work with this shorter reach.
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No but this is a triathlon you still have to run. He came in 4th. I like the guy but there is a difference in performance and marketing hype.
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Toothengineer wrote:
So you got the Canyon?

I am still torn and waiting to see if we finally see a new speed concept.

Having bought and sold the shiv disc after 4 rides I am a little more gun shy.

I wish canyon had copied the front end of the cervelo, would have made the decision easier. If I could get the Scott for the price of the Canyon I would buy the Scott. I still think the Cerevlo P5D may be the best deal out there, as you can negotiate discounts and have dealer support for any issues.

Need a sponsorship deal in 2021 from someone! lol

#decisions

Go on then, why did you sell it so fast ?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Belgian_Waffle] [ In reply to ]
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Don’t wait for a new Trek to come, at least not for ‘21 and tbh i would be surprised if they ever will bring out a new disc equipped tri bike.
My guess is they hold on to the current SC for as long as it reasonable sells and take the C’dale route and depart from triathlon.
If they still would have a serious interest in tri that launch should have been done.

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Belgian_Waffle wrote:
May I ask why you sold the Shiv Disc? Also waiting for Trek to move but considering the Shiv as the Canyon won't work with this shorter reach.

The Shiv Disc: this is just my 2 cents on it and everyone I am sure would have a different thought.........

My personal issues with it:
- base bar was to wide for me
- felt clunky in daily riding: sure it would have been fine for racing
- did not like the overall feel of the ride of the bike: I ride my bike a lot and need to like how it feels and feel confident in the bike, I just did not feel that with the shiv.... I am sure plenty of people would disagree with me but thats how it felt to me.
- to truly get the front end how I wanted it would have had to look at the aftermarket and had been looking at speedbar: was at a cross roads of put 3k more into the bike and be stuck with it and maybe get something the felt better or cut my loses more on and see what else comes out.

I have sold the Shiv and one of my Speed Concepts.... have a road bike and one speed concept left now.

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One would think that Trek already knows if it will reasonably sell by 2022 which I'm assuming is "no" and assuming the market doesn't change trajectory. I personally think that disc brakes are unnecessary on a tri bike but I see where the market is headed and so can Trek. They either have a new Speed Concept up their sleeves or like you said going to get out of the business. I don't think that sales of the current SC will matter because they will only go down because regardless of my opinion disc brakes on a tri bikes are the new normal.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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Disc is unnecessary unless it is your only bike and you live somewhere where breaking power does make sense.
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Rideon77 wrote:
One would think that Trek already knows if it will reasonably sell by 2022 which I'm assuming is "no" and assuming the market doesn't change trajectory. I personally think that disc brakes are unnecessary on a tri bike but I see where the market is headed and so can Trek. They either have a new Speed Concept up their sleeves or like you said going to get out of the business. I don't think that sales of the current SC will matter because they will only go down because regardless of my opinion disc brakes on a tri bikes are the new normal.

I used to think the same till I started riding disc.... and while I did not love the shiv disc I did love the disc part of the shiv. For me its kinda like crack....

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I agree with you to toothengineer.

Literally everyone I know, including friends who HATED disc brakes, changed their tune after riding disc brakes for a while.

I've tried a few bikes with disc brakes, and enjoyed them, but still comfortable on both my rim brake bikes. Now that my tri bike will be disc, I am interested to see how extended riding on discs changes my feelings about my rim brakes on my Scott Foil.
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I just checked P5, over 10K for similar config as 2021 CF SLX which is $8K....
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Rideon77 wrote:
No but this is a triathlon you still have to run. He came in 4th. I like the guy but there is a difference in performance and marketing hype.

Sorry for continuing offtopic. A very good point actually to look at the bike+run combo. Where does Sanders end up in this category?
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I just checked P5, over 10K for similar config as 2021 CF SLX which is $8K....

Yes, it's still a good deal when we compare the parts list. But people were just caught off guard because the bargain shrunk quite a bit relative to the old model. Though, this bike does seem $2K better than the last model. Really well thought out.
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mart1n wrote:
Rideon77 wrote:
No but this is a triathlon you still have to run. He came in 4th. I like the guy but there is a difference in performance and marketing hype.


Sorry for continuing offtopic. A very good point actually to look at the bike+run combo. Where does Sanders end up in this category?

He ends up 1st. He had the fastest bike/run split that day.

People say this like 4th is bad in that field... I think everyone in the top 5-10 of a stacked race deserves kudos
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This is what I suspected aswell. :)
I think it lived up to the hype quite nicely, tbh.
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I never said I hated disc brakes. I said they are unnecessary on a tri bike but, again, I see where the market is going and I have no aversions to that. I will continue with my rim brake bike until it comes to the point that is can no longer be maintained and make the switch. I'm in no rush because right now disc do not make a bike faster.
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Canyon might not be the most innovative brand but I was always really happy with the price. But the new Speedmax is now as expensive as the high end brands which is quite disappointing.
But the thing that sets me up the most is the fact that Canyon just went shopping at all the big brands and copy+paste it on the new Speedmax. I always thought also, that Specialized has a patent on the hydration system in the down tube (that´s why felt wasn´t allowed to use it). Why would Canyon be allowed to use it?







And especially since there are so many other parts that are simply copy+paste. I would expact way more innovations for this amount of money!
Sorry Canyon, but this time I am out.

although you're correct and i was thinking the same thing when the bike was unveiled, if you blatantly steal everything good from every option out there and put it into one attractive package you arguably have the best product out there.

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Is there anywhere I can get information about the aerobar pad and grip widths?

From the photos I have seen, it seems that the aero position is too narrow for me, but numbers would help
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walfisch wrote:
Is there anywhere I can get information about the aerobar pad and grip widths?

From the photos I have seen, it seems that the aero position is too narrow for me, but numbers would help


Post in the Canyon Speedmax CF SLX fit thread (LINK) and Ian will be able to help with that.

Cheers, Ray
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damon.lebeouf wrote:
although you're correct and i was thinking the same thing when the bike was unveiled, if you blatantly steal everything good from every option out there and put it into one attractive package you arguably have the best product out there.


I tend to agree with your conclusion but don't see incorporating good ideas into product as "stealing" unless we are talking about IP infringement. So the fact that Canyon took a "best of breed" approach to designing this bike is very compelling IMHO. They sought to eliminate the typical "I like Bike X, but it's missing [name your favorite feature(s)]." The new Speedmax ticks a lot of boxes, and does so in a very clean, integrated manner. It's about as outwardly minimal as one could expect from a tri/TT bike, which I find very appealing. Now just need to get the Blue Chrome bike offered in the US!



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Has anyone taken delivery of any of the new Speedmax models yet, and would like to share any initial thoughts?

Mine is due end of Jan, but I’m sure some will have been delivered by now.

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I've read through this entire thread, and while most of the comments are in reference to the Speedmax CFR or CF SLX, I wanted to ask peoples' thoughts on the new CF 8 Disc eTap. I'm in the market for a new bike, and I was pretty set on the Trek Speed Concept because I already have Zipp 808 NSW wheels that are rim brake. I live in Chicago where it is dead flat and the reality is that if the weather is bad, I'm going to jump on Zwift before riding in the rain, so the two major reasons for upgrading to a disc-specific bike (descending and bad weather) are out. I built up a Project One Speed Concept with stock paint option, Ultegra Di2, and the stock wheels (Aeolus Comp 5) with my LBS. List price is $6,205 after adding the bento box and draft box. He said he would do it for $6,000.

I was pretty happy and was ready to pull the trigger......and then I saw Canyon released the CF 8 Disc eTap for $6,500. This comes with Zipp 404/808 firecrest wheels, SRAM AXS Force eTap and power meter. I would put on the Profile Design Aeria hydration on the front end for another $250 and be race ready for $6,700. I could then either sell the 808 NSW wheels or keep them on my road bike (Cervelo S5 rim brake).

I really like the eTap over Di2 (personal preference) and the addition of a power meter would be great. Is anyone else looking at this model? The CF SLX and CFR are out of my price range, plus I really don't like the internal hydration (much prefer an easier to clean system).

Would like any and all recommendations, thanks!
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [DhobiWanKenobi] [ In reply to ]
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DhobiWanKenobi wrote:
Has anyone taken delivery of any of the new Speedmax models yet, and would like to share any initial thoughts?

Mine is due end of Jan, but I’m sure some will have been delivered by now.


I would love to hear any report too. They have processed my payment last week and scheduled to ship Jan 4-8. Hopefully....
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [sboyer27] [ In reply to ]
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That model of Canyon has a list price in the UK of £7k which is equivalent to $9288. This is on par with full price options of similarly equipped bikes from the major brands and its why there have been a lot of comments from Europe and UK, being the historical target market for Canyon, taking a pass. If they were selling them in Europe for the prices you are seeing it would be a different story and I think there would have been a lot less nit-picking over the details.

However if it was my money I would buy the Speedmax CF SLX 8.0 SL. You will have no problem selling the wheels for $1000 making the price $6500. Combined with the wheels you already have you will have a bike that Canyons says is within 9 watts of the Canyons current super bike and given Canyon has never detailed that 9 watt number it may be much closer when you compare like-for-like setups.
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trail wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:
However, today, there are no cost savings.


I disagree in general.

The Aeroad CFR Disc Red AXS (e.g. a completely loaded aero road bike) is $9000 USD.

The Trek Madone SLR 9 with Red AXS is $12,500.

Tarmac SL7 with Red is $12,300.

Same with MTB. A Lux CF SLX 9 LTD, an absolute high-end XC bike is $7500. S-Works Epic is $11,500.

The price differentials carry all the way down to entry-level.

I agree that the $12K high end on this bike is about the same as the high end Cervelo, Specialized bikes.


Never buy complete bikes from them, buy separately, save 30%.
Madone SLR:
Frame - 3700
Seatpost -150
Handlebar - 300
DA Di2 - 2000
Bontraxger XXX 6 - 2400
Saddle - 200
Total $8750, not $12500.

You can build Speed Concept the same way, it will not be more than $9000 for the top loaded bike.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Ksavostin] [ In reply to ]
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When they do these aero shootouts in the wind tunnel, where canyon is just behind cervelo and specialised, do they acknowledge that the canyon has the drink bottles, bento, tools installed already or are they comparing to bare bikes?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Ksavostin] [ In reply to ]
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You can build Speed Concept the same way, it will not be more than $9000 for the top loaded bike.

That's odd. I always thought, without checking, that those package deals were always a bargain.

Another general tactic is just buy 2 year-old new old stock. Frames what were $4-5K seem to be $2-3K. (I'm bike shopping now).
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Price of the Speedmax Disc SLX 8 has just increased in the UK by £450. I only notice this because the price of my order - which hasn’t been dispatched yet - has increased to reflect that.

Not sure if the others have changed also.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [DhobiWanKenobi] [ In reply to ]
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Oh really? What is the price now? It is still 8.5k on the website.

I note that the XS of the bikes only come with 650c wheels. Does anyone have any ideas how that affects riding/speed etc?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [shammad10] [ In reply to ]
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It was £8K when I ordered end of Nov, now £8.5K.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [DhobiWanKenobi] [ In reply to ]
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Did canyon let you know about it/ give you an explanation?
I guess we have brexit to thank for that.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [shammad10] [ In reply to ]
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shammad10 wrote:
Did canyon let you know about it/ give you an explanation?
I guess we have brexit to thank for that.

No, I only realised when I noticed today that the difference of £450 was pending to come out of my account. When I checked my order status on the site, the price of the bike was showing that increase.

Customer service are looking into it for me, and I hope it’s resolved - been waiting a long time for this to be released/dispatched and it is already more than I had intended to spend!

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [DhobiWanKenobi] [ In reply to ]
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That's so frustrating. Hope you manage to get it sorted- they really should honour the price you ordered it for.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [shammad10] [ In reply to ]
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shammad10 wrote:
That's so frustrating. Hope you manage to get it sorted- they really should honour the price you ordered it for.

Thanks, I imagine they will, and I’ll wait to pass judgement until they get back to me properly.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Ksavostin] [ In reply to ]
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Is the frameset available? I can't find it on the website. Price ?

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So I have narrowed down my decisions for a TT bike for 2021. Looking like I will opt for the Speedmax 8 CF Disc (Ultegra di2).

One question, I am kind of done with boring black bikes over the years. The only other option is the Mint Green. What are others thoughts on this colour? I'm not sure if it looks a bit weird or not...[/url][/img]
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [walfisch] [ In reply to ]
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Is there anywhere I can get information about the aerobar pad and grip widths?

From the photos I have seen, it seems that the aero position is too narrow for me, but numbers would help


The fit is narrow.

I am using the original pads, and at their widest setting, I measure it at 160mm from center of pad to center of pad.

The piece that supports the pads...it would be easy for Canyon to make a wider version of it to support wider fits, I do not know why they did not do that yet.

As for the bike in person....the di2 version in New Blue...it looks amazing!
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Darren325] [ In reply to ]
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Darren325 wrote:
walfisch wrote:
Is there anywhere I can get information about the aerobar pad and grip widths?

From the photos I have seen, it seems that the aero position is too narrow for me, but numbers would help


The fit is narrow.

I am using the original pads, and at their widest setting, I measure it at 160mm from center of pad to center of pad.

The piece that supports the pads...it would be easy for Canyon to make a wider version of it to support wider fits, I do not know why they did not do that yet.

As for the bike in person....the di2 version in New Blue...it looks amazing!

Thanks for the info! Tried simulating a 160mm width and my body protested haha
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [walfisch] [ In reply to ]
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I'm sure using culprit csr pads you can achieve wider. I am hoping to check pad position on it in near future.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [culpritbicycles] [ In reply to ]
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Got my Speedmax Disc delivered yesterday. It has to wait a while though before heading out on the roads in Sweden.

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [david222] [ In reply to ]
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David - any other pics you can share? Canyon USA has held steady on 2/8 ordering date...so I'm holding my breath. I really, really like the look and the spec of the CF SLX and would've ordered already if it was available. Please, share a few more pics to tide me over...
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Brytcyd] [ In reply to ]
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Having received my Speedmax Disc SLX a few weeks ago, I thought I would share my impressions of the buying experience. The weather has been nice here in Taiwan, but have not had too much time to ride it yet due to the fit issue I describe in the write up. That is being resolved as we speak and Saturday, I will be able to ride it as intended and I can't wait. I posted this review originally on the Canyon Bike FB group where I have pictures and edited it a bit more here. I don't have a separate server to post pictures to Slowtwitch. If you add me on FB, I have shared pics of this beast excessively!. :)


My FB is below and I'd be happy to be friends with more triathletes!


https://www.facebook.com/darren.cole2


Speedmax Disc SLX buying experience.
I bought it November 19, changed my mind on color, place a new order on November 26 expected delivery Dec 21. Awesome customer service and information from the chat.
Ordered the long stem and the long extensions, size medium. 180cm tall, 81cm inseam. Measured my existing bike fit as per Canyon instructions, including forearm length. Also know my X Y coordinates that are not used by Canyon in sizing and fitting. Speedmax team contacted me and told me I needed the short stem and shorter extensions. After some skeptical back and forth with the team, I went with their recommendations. In the Canyon Speedmax Disc fit page, Ian told me I needed the long stem and long extensions. However, given I was not 100% sure that I was correct, I went with Canyon's advice as it's their bike. I also figured that if I am right, this is their fault, and they have to fix it. If I ordered the large and long and I was wrong, I would be left holding the bag. As it turns out, my bike fitter has a customer facing this exact situation. Canyon would not replace the parts for free. (The stem is attached to the base bar...it will retail for $399USD on the Canyon international website. When he relented on being provided a replacement and asked to purchase the new stem/bar, he was told they do not have any for sale yet and not sure when.)
January 7 the bike ships. A little late but reasonable.
Bike arrives in perfect condition. It looks even better (much better) than how the "New Blue" presents on the website. The YouTube video for unpacking was easy to build the bike. The only slightly tricky part is setting up the internal hydration the first time. It is MUCH easier the second time. Not sure it's something I would use every single ride, but in terms of installing/uninstalling, it's not very difficult. It was yet another huge cost savings with the Canyon has it really does come assembled. Basically put the wheels on, velcro in the pads on the arm pads, and set your preferred angle on the extensions. Adjusting the aero bar from the shipped "medium" setting is a different animal however.

Sunday trip to my bike fitter to place the bar in the coordinates we already planned when I ordered the bike. Clearly, the bike is too short. The aero bar is also not the easiest by far to adjust. My setting is low with just one single spacer and a 10 degree tilt spacer; this tilts the pads and the bar all in one go. Check your fit width, as based on my measurements, the max width from mid pad to mid pad is 160mm. Perfect for me, but as mentioned in this thread before, perhaps too narrow for some. This is something that would be difficult to do without a bit of experience and know how. The instruction manual tries to be clear, but it's still tricky until you get it. If you are going to adjust this on your own, I would ask for some help from someone who has done it before. The Canyon video makes it look a lot easier than I think most people will find it to be.
Contact Canyon about the measurements. They double check the measurements and Nicole B. gets back to me; yes, it's their fault, they are going to get new parts out to me.
Owing to it being a new bike, no spares in stock. (the stem and base bar are one piece; this is not a trivial cost issue if you get it wrong when ordering and it's your fault. Be super careful with your measurements, understand what you need, and be more assertive with the fit team that contacts you after buying. I have now warned you twice!). Parts need to be removed from production. Takes just over two weeks. Superstars: Nicole B. and Daniel K. Great service and help.
Canyon also offered cash compensation to pay for the work to switch the bar and extensions, brakes and di2 reconnection. I asked if they would give that as a discount off the price of the large arm pads I want to order. Canyon immediately placed an order for these for free. Stellar. Above and beyond. The large arm pads were initially scheduled to ship in March but may be closer to June. I'm 100% fine with that. Initially I changed the stock pads when I got the bike as they are very small. Now that the bike is going to be configured 100% correctly per my fit, I am back on the Ergon pads and they are super comfortable and no issues. I assume the large pads will just be more of an already great thing!
The bike is beautiful, well thought out, and high quality. My friend got the chrome blue CFR; I worried I'd be super jealous of the paint job. But as a DT Swiss brand ambassador, I can get the ARC 1100 wheels (SLX ships with 1400 wheels, 80mm rear, 62mm front; my preferred depth) and couldn't justify the $2400USD price increase for the paint and Dura ace crank I won't be using. Super happy with the New Blue; both the CFR and the SLX are beautiful bikes; different not better in terms of aesthetics in my opinion.
What should Canyon do for this bike?
Allow custom cranks. I ride 160mm cranks for tri; the crank supplied was never going to work on this bike for me. I have a use for it and the power meter for my road bike, so it still had value to me, but for many it will be hard to sell off.
The Garmin mount NEEDS to be included in the purchase. You can't really use the integrated hydration without it because you have no where to affix the magnetic attachment for the straw. The straw will flop around without this. MAKE SURE YOU ORDER this accessory when you order the bike. I also ordered the sweet rear bottle cage holder; make sure for your fit that enough of the seatpost will be exposed or you cannot use this option for rear hydration.
Overall?
Expected issues of a brand new bike, complicated integrated design, and the very narrow fit parameters of a tri bike fit. These will be tricky issues to navigate for first time tri bike riders. A professional fit is imperative in my view before buying this bike. The Canyon fit will get you the right frame size, but fitting the bar will be hit or miss. The range of adjustability on reach is the main limiter if you have a long fit. The bike geometry overall is very tall.

First impressions from riding the bike---smooth! The stiffness makes it very responsive and the muscular fork does not make the front vibrate. No twitchiness from the mono riser and the DT Swiss wheels really work with this bike. Canyon customer service held things together through the gaps and mistakes of the buying experience. I'm happy that I chose this bike and look forward to riding it to my fourth shot at the Big Dance in Kona.
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When you order a Speedmax Disc you get a document where you have some options, the website doesn't really show these options very clear I think so I uploaded the document, maybe it helps you! A Canyon employee also calls you to make these choices together with you, based on measurements (preferably a bikefit).

Click here for the PDF
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [david222] [ In reply to ]
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david222 wrote:
When you order a Speedmax Disc you get a document where you have some options, the website doesn't really show these options very clear I think so I uploaded the document, maybe it helps you! A Canyon employee also calls you to make these choices together with you, based on measurements (preferably a bikefit).

Click here for the PDF


HI David,

This is where the fit process went south for me. I had my X Y coordinates and was pretty sure I was right in terms of what I needed, but the Canyon employee was quite certain I was wrong, and we went with that. All good now though, just got word the new parts are fitted and ready to go!
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Darren325] [ In reply to ]
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Received my CF SLX (Di2 new blue) a couple days ago. Plan to set everything up this weekend but from my initial checks, all looks good.

My only dramas were Brexit/shipping related and not the fault of Canyon, but it was to be expected. In fact they were good with getting updates from UPS for me, beyond what it available through tracking.

Only small problem in terms of the bike is that the fitting kit had sort of dismantled itself inside the box during shipping, leaving all the black spacers missing a fair bit of paint from being thrown about with screws and other components, so will be asking for some replacements. But again, not a big problem and it doesn’t stop me riding.

So far, happy customer! Bike looks incredible.

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Brytcyd wrote:
David - any other pics you can share? Canyon USA has held steady on 2/8 ordering date...so I'm holding my breath. I really, really like the look and the spec of the CF SLX and would've ordered already if it was available. Please, share a few more pics to tide me over...

Looked this morning, canyon has backed the dates up again to March for the cf slx and mid March for the cfr.

Canyons logistics group relies on a guy in a canoe with a bad nutrition plan....so they can't seem to figure out how long it takes to move a bike from a to b.

Starting to lose hope for them as they seem to move to goal post 2 days out every time you think a bike would become available.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [david222] [ In reply to ]
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When you order a Speedmax Disc you get a document where you have some options, the website doesn't really show these options very clear I think so I uploaded the document, maybe it helps you! A Canyon employee also calls you to make these choices together with you, based on measurements (preferably a bikefit).
Click here for the PDF
Are these options also available to U.S. customers?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Mbellis5] [ In reply to ]
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Mbellis5 wrote:
Brytcyd wrote:
David - any other pics you can share? Canyon USA has held steady on 2/8 ordering date...so I'm holding my breath. I really, really like the look and the spec of the CF SLX and would've ordered already if it was available. Please, share a few more pics to tide me over...


Looked this morning, canyon has backed the dates up again to March for the cf slx and mid March for the cfr.

Canyons logistics group relies on a guy in a canoe with a bad nutrition plan....so they can't seem to figure out how long it takes to move a bike from a to b.

Starting to lose hope for them as they seem to move to goal post 2 days out every time you think a bike would become available.

FFS. I was trying to avoid buying a trainer TT bike AND a higher-end bike...off to eBay I go.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Brytcyd] [ In reply to ]
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Thats where I'm at as well. Very irritating.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Brytcyd] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone have any inside info as to what is going on at Canyon? I understand: shipping delays, production backlog with COVID, etc.

But does anyone have concrete information as to when these bikes will actually be available?

I'm training for my first IM (race is in September) and had planned on buying a Canyon. I have a good road bike for now.

Do I keep waiting? I'm in a colder climate, so outdoor rides are unlikely before March/April anyways. Or do I give up on Canyon entirely?
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [chitriguy] [ In reply to ]
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I have a race April 18th and looking less and less likely It will be on a canyon disc lol. Wish they would just give an accurate date instead of screwing with peoples timelines.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [ericdelgRLS] [ In reply to ]
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I have been lurking on ST for some time now but today received my speedmax disc and so happy that i needed to share :-)




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Beautiful!!

David
* Ironman for Life! (Blog) * IM Everyday Hero Video * Daggett Shuler Law *
Disclaimer: I have personal and professional relationships with many athletes, vendors, and organizations in the triathlon world.
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shammad10 wrote:
Oh really? What is the price now? It is still 8.5k on the website.

I note that the XS of the bikes only come with 650c wheels. Does anyone have any ideas how that affects riding/speed etc?

650B, not 650C. Actually 650B is the same of ATB's 27.5"; they're slightly larger than 650C's (584 vs. 571 diameter; standard 700C are 622)
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [pesah] [ In reply to ]
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Where did I see this before.......;-)

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [jollyroger88] [ In reply to ]
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Right I see- any idea how do they affect speed etc? There's some conflicting stuff on the internet!
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pesah wrote:
I have been lurking on ST for some time now but today received my speedmax disc and so happy that i needed to share :-)

Damn. That thing is beautiful. I'd never let it see the light of day. You know, what if it gets a scratch or something.....

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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know if/when the chrome blue CFR Di2 will be available in the US? Love the bike, just ready for some color on my ride.
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I have no data, but it makes sense to me that wheel size should be proportional to anything else on the bike (frame, stem, crank etc.). So I see no reason why a 160cm dude should be riding the same wheel size of a 190cm one
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [Alex205] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know if the PM on the CF 8.0 DISC Di2 is dual or singlesided?
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I just looked and the CF DI2 is now pushed back to August 8th! Good grief. Wonder how/why they could be so far off on their projected availability. Seems like a major misstep considering most of the North America race season will be over by the time the bike would ship out. I called canyon to ask why the delay and the guy just said "I don't know". Solid explanation lol.
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eyedochughes wrote:
I just looked and the CF DI2 is now pushed back to August 8th! Good grief. Wonder how/why they could be so far off on their projected availability. Seems like a major misstep considering most of the North America race season will be over by the time the bike would ship out. I called canyon to ask why the delay and the guy just said "I don't know". Solid explanation lol.

if you go over to the other forum, you'll see some guy giving anthony fauci a ration of shit because he "lied" about the vaccine rollout. he said it will be "open season" on getting your vaccine in april just a week or so ago, and he just amended that to late may. regardless of what you think of fauci (not going to get into the politics of it) the answers this person got were: fauci just got an update on vaccine availability, and the projections made by the manufacturer(s) were altered, which altered fauci's timeline. this is what happens in a pandemic.

this is precisely what happens in a pandemic with bikes, too. it might be shimano. it might be carbon suppliers. it might be wheel makers, tire makers. but let me tell you what it probably is. i spoke to a large industry player day before yesterday, and it is bidding right now with shippers to get its already packed containers onto a ship, and it's paying double the normal shipping rates. once the extortion is paid and the container gets onto the ship, that ship becomes one of the dozens of ships sitting outside the port of long beach, in the queue, awaiting its unload time (some weeks later).

now, if you're on our mailing list, you'll get an email later this morning with an offer from canyon to our readers exclusively, for $1,000 off this bike. it is not the bike you want. but it did win the last several men's kona races, so it's not that bad!

i will also note that some parts suppliers are flying the parts to american OEs, like ABG (quintana roo), and this is notable because ABG does its assembly stateside. for almost all other bikes, no can do, because assembly is not done in the US; it's done in europe or in asia. it would be cost prohibitive to air freight complete bikes. i was about as frantic as i could be about the upcoming tri bike shortage when i wrote about this last fall and again in the winter. i will help as much as i can, but, this is the reality. get used to this. as a former bike maker myself, this is the ultimate "for want of a nail" industry. once a container filled with 6 months worth of wetsuit rubber fell off the container ship and into the pacific ocean. and so goes the life of a manufacturer.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
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Thanks for the reply! That was a great explanation. How do I know if im on the mailing list? If not could you add me? eyedochughe@gmail.com. Thanks!
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I just looked and the CF DI2 is now pushed back to August 8th! Good grief. Wonder how/why they could be so far off on their projected availability. Seems like a major misstep considering most of the North America race season will be over by the time the bike would ship out. I called canyon to ask why the delay and the guy just said "I don't know". Solid explanation lol.

For years Canyon have always over promised on their expected delivery dates and then under delivered and had to reschedule them! Few years back was looking at getting a Speedmax CF and the date shifted from March to May to June in the few weeks I was evaluating my options. I didn't bother in the end and just put some money into my older Giant in the end.

IMO it's got little to do with Covid! If I was interested I'd wait till end of season (when they always have loads of stock) and get the current model before they launch the "new" colourways a few months into the next calendar year.
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Re: Canyon Speedmax Disc [eyedochughes] [ In reply to ]
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CF Di2 and CF Sram Force were available for about a day, two weeks ago. Luckily I was able to grab one so they have delivered a few bikes in the states now. Seemed like a very small run.

Edit: must be talking about the CF SLX
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Slowman wrote:
eyedochughes wrote:
I just looked and the CF DI2 is now pushed back to August 8th! Good grief. Wonder how/why they could be so far off on their projected availability. Seems like a major misstep considering most of the North America race season will be over by the time the bike would ship out. I called canyon to ask why the delay and the guy just said "I don't know". Solid explanation lol.


if you go over to the other forum, you'll see some guy giving anthony fauci a ration of shit because he "lied" about the vaccine rollout. he said it will be "open season" on getting your vaccine in april just a week or so ago, and he just amended that to late may. regardless of what you think of fauci (not going to get into the politics of it) the answers this person got were: fauci just got an update on vaccine availability, and the projections made by the manufacturer(s) were altered, which altered fauci's timeline. this is what happens in a pandemic.

this is precisely what happens in a pandemic with bikes, too. it might be shimano. it might be carbon suppliers. it might be wheel makers, tire makers. but let me tell you what it probably is. i spoke to a large industry player day before yesterday, and it is bidding right now with shippers to get its already packed containers onto a ship, and it's paying double the normal shipping rates. once the extortion is paid and the container gets onto the ship, that ship becomes one of the dozens of ships sitting outside the port of long beach, in the queue, awaiting its unload time (some weeks later).

now, if you're on our mailing list, you'll get an email later this morning with an offer from canyon to our readers exclusively, for $1,000 off this bike. it is not the bike you want. but it did win the last several men's kona races, so it's not that bad!

i will also note that some parts suppliers are flying the parts to american OEs, like ABG (quintana roo), and this is notable because ABG does its assembly stateside. for almost all other bikes, no can do, because assembly is not done in the US; it's done in europe or in asia. it would be cost prohibitive to air freight complete bikes. i was about as frantic as i could be about the upcoming tri bike shortage when i wrote about this last fall and again in the winter. i will help as much as i can, but, this is the reality. get used to this. as a former bike maker myself, this is the ultimate "for want of a nail" industry. once a container filled with 6 months worth of wetsuit rubber fell off the container ship and into the pacific ocean. and so goes the life of a manufacturer.

And yet every other consumer good seem to be largely unaffected. The company I work for regularly gets containers of goods and has experienced no supply issues? So is it a manufacturing issue or a shipping issue?
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And yet every other consumer good seem to be largely unaffected. The company I work for regularly gets containers of goods and has experienced no supply issues? So is it a manufacturing issue or a shipping issue?

Both, there are a number of suppliers of relatively important parts (brakes and suspension forks as an example) out to two year lead times. Demand for bikes is unprecedented.
Your company is either lucky or has strong relationships that shipping is not a problem.

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cyclenutnz wrote:
dunno wrote:


And yet every other consumer good seem to be largely unaffected. The company I work for regularly gets containers of goods and has experienced no supply issues? So is it a manufacturing issue or a shipping issue?


Both, there are a number of suppliers of relatively important parts (brakes and suspension forks as an example) out to two year lead times. Demand for bikes is unprecedented.
Your company is either lucky or has strong relationships that shipping is not a problem.


So it would seem the issues isn't so much shipping but manufacturing? If this is the case then it is absolutely inexcusable that the cycle industry isn't able to ramp up. Bikes are extremely low tech in comparison to just about everything else in our lives-imagine being told you wouldn't be able to buy a new TV/laptop/smart phone for at least 6-12 months...I've noticed little to no supply issues there despite TV's and laptops selling at record numbers
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Here in NZ Covid isn't impacting our daily lives much and there has been a consumption boom (people can't travel so spending money locally) which has led to shortages of a lot of products. Houses can't be finished because of no insulation, no copper pipes for A/C. Can't get cars, bikes will be available in 2022. Don't know about electronics. Shortages are fairly normal here, no one is surprised that they can't get the bike they want.

Why is it inexcusable to not be able to double or triple production? There is competition for labour in the main manufacturing regions of China and Taiwan and you can't onboard immediately even if you can grab extra staff. Most factories run with pretty minimal underutilised capacity. Giant did have some but they ramped production back up over a year ago and still can't match demand. There isn't much slack in the system to deal with a doubling of demand.

Further to that- the production ramp up is focussed on the categories that are moving - family friendly low-mid level MTBs and ebikes. Even top end MTB not a big priority for brands that are strong in ebikes. Tri sales have been terrible for most brands so no one is going to be investing in building up stocking levels of tri bikes when they can move a container of $800 mtbs more easily than a single tri machine...

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Here in NZ Covid isn't impacting our daily lives much and there has been a consumption boom (people can't travel so spending money locally) which has led to shortages of a lot of products. Houses can't be finished because of no insulation, no copper pipes for A/C. Can't get cars, bikes will be available in 2022. Don't know about electronics. Shortages are fairly normal here, no one is surprised that they can't get the bike they want.

Why is it inexcusable to not be able to double or triple production? There is competition for labour in the main manufacturing regions of China and Taiwan and you can't onboard immediately even if you can grab extra staff. Most factories run with pretty minimal underutilised capacity. Giant did have some but they ramped production back up over a year ago and still can't match demand. There isn't much slack in the system to deal with a doubling of demand.

Further to that- the production ramp up is focussed on the categories that are moving - family friendly low-mid level MTBs and ebikes. Even top end MTB not a big priority for brands that are strong in ebikes. Tri sales have been terrible for most brands so no one is going to be investing in building up stocking levels of tri bikes when they can move a container of $800 mtbs more easily than a single tri machine...


You are making excuses for mediocrity. It has been over 12 months since Covid hit. If I was on the board of a company that couldn't step up to meet demand after 12 months I would be sacking the CEO.

Bicycles are extremely basic. If you are telling me the failure to meet demand is due to a shortage of labor in a country of 1.4 billion people.....
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You are making excuses for mediocrity. It has been over 12 months since Covid hit. If I was on the board of a company that couldn't step up to meet demand after 12 months I would be sacking the CEO.

You are imagining a mythical bike company.
Working up through the chain (for typical made in asia brands, not boutique):

Very few own their sales channel (Canyon and other DTCs excepted obviously, Trek and other big guys have wound up owning bricks and mortar)
Very few own their distribution (DTC and the biggest brands excepted)
Almost no one owns assembly (Giant and Merida excepted)
Almost no one owns frame production (Giant and Merida excepted)
No one owns groupset production

Production allocation generally booked so far in advance that a 12mth increase in demand can't be accommodated. BOMs and POs for 2022 already locked in.

Bike brands don't have the vertical integration required to scale rapidly. If you fired your CEO the new one would go mad bashing their head against the wall trying to meet your demand for scaling. Absolutely no chance of pushing Shimano around.
That's before we talk about all the other suppliers to complete a built kit.

The factory that makes alloy bars for the majority of quality brands is at 19mth lead time.
Affordable brakes and forks at two years as mentioned previously.
You'll see in the share trackers below that prices took a dip during lockdowns as factories were closed. That created a backlog, industry came out of lockdowns to spiking demand and no chance of catching up.

And then we get on to ethos
I've talked with high end brands that are sold out and happy. No old stock, no discounting. Their results are good. Modest increase in production for next year which should all sell = another good year.
Or a brand that spans more of the market - previous year ~x bikes. Had been forecasting 1.15x for the year ahead. Demand at 2x. Have decided to make 1.6x. They're having a good year and will be maxed out increasing their capacity to move units.
The only brands I've talked to that aren't happy are Tri only. Everyone else is having a good time.

Not many brands keen on going crazy making bikes as we don't know whether this is a long term demand increase.
Everyone very cautious about tri as we don't know whether there will be a rebound in demand. I know of a couple of bikes that were ready for the start of this year and have been put back.

Not that many listed companies, here are the big three




And Canyon have been acquired.

CEOs are getting bonuses, not fired...

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You are making excuses for mediocrity. It has been over 12 months since Covid hit. If I was on the board of a company that couldn't step up to meet demand after 12 months I would be sacking the CEO.

Bicycles are extremely basic. If you are telling me the failure to meet demand is due to a shortage of labor in a country of 1.4 billion people.....


EXACTLY THIS!


Far too many companies in all sectors are using "Due to the ongoing pandemic...." as a cover all phrase to excuse crap customer service. It's especially jarring when (as in the case with Canyon) they've ALWAYS had issues with stock levels.
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That model of Canyon has a list price in the UK of £7k which is equivalent to $9288. This is on par with full price options of similarly equipped bikes from the major brands and its why there have been a lot of comments from Europe and UK, being the historical target market for Canyon, taking a pass. If they were selling them in Europe for the prices you are seeing it would be a different story and I think there would have been a lot less nit-picking over the details.

However if it was my money I would buy the Speedmax CF SLX 8.0 SL. You will have no problem selling the wheels for $1000 making the price $6500. Combined with the wheels you already have you will have a bike that Canyons says is within 9 watts of the Canyons current super bike and given Canyon has never detailed that 9 watt number it may be much closer when you compare like-for-like setups.

Plus the new Speedamax is almost 1kg heavier at 9.38kgs, versus the SLX at 8.5. That's a huge difference!!
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Hi Matt,
How are you liking the CF Di2?
I'm almost pulling the trigger on one at the moment.

One question, how tidy is the cabling? One drawback i have that i would have expected a clean front end of the bike (i'm coming from a Felt IA Di2) , but the pics on the canyon website look as if there is a lot of cable working going on.

thanks
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Hi Matt,
How are you liking the CF Di2?
I'm almost pulling the trigger on one at the moment.

One question, how tidy is the cabling? One drawback i have that i would have expected a clean front end of the bike (i'm coming from a Felt IA Di2) , but the pics on the canyon website look as if there is a lot of cable working going on.

thanks

Hi,

I actually have the SLX, so cabling is completely integrated.

I’ve had the SLX a good few weeks now and there’s things I like and things I don’t like.

I like the look, and having confidence in disc breaks for the roads in my area, and the fact that race-ready wheels and a power meter were included - both things I didn’t already own.

I don’t like the integrated hydration (it’s not as easy to drink quickly from and unless I pour slowly into the top up valve, I get spillage), and the fact that I’m pretty much at the bike’s limit in terms of fit (obviously this is my fault, but since this is a totally Canyon front end, I need to wait for parts to make it a little longer, and there’s the obvious delays).

The actual buying experience with Canyon has been pretty good though, with good communication throughout.

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Thanks for the response Matt.

Interesting regarding being on the limit in the Canyon sizing. At 186cm i'm on the cusp between M and L. With the Canyon online calculator saying i should be a M.

What issues have you had?
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Race1 wrote:
dunno wrote:

You are making excuses for mediocrity. It has been over 12 months since Covid hit. If I was on the board of a company that couldn't step up to meet demand after 12 months I would be sacking the CEO.

Bicycles are extremely basic. If you are telling me the failure to meet demand is due to a shortage of labor in a country of 1.4 billion people.....





Far too many companies in all sectors are using "Due to the ongoing pandemic...." as a cover all phrase to excuse crap customer service. It's especially jarring when (as in the case with Canyon) they've ALWAYS had issues with stock levels.


If you're running a big bike manufacturer, a big part of the question is whether this huge increase in demand is temporary or permanent.
Unless you have a high confidence level that the demand is long term and not just a 18 month hump, then its commercial suicide to build substantially more capacity for a short term bump.
If you're so confident it is long term... go remortgage your own house, build a factory and start making bike parts to make loads of money.
Will you put your money where you mouth is ?

For Canyon in particular... go buy from another maker if you don't like their stock management.. plentry of other makers.
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Brems007 wrote:
Thanks for the response Matt.

Interesting regarding being on the limit in the Canyon sizing. At 186cm i'm on the cusp between M and L. With the Canyon online calculator saying i should be a M.

What issues have you had?


I’m 183 cm on a M, but again that is a slightly different bike.

I found that from the start, even with the pads in the middle position, the extensions needed to be set at their maximum length. Now that I have dialled in my position, the pads are now as far forward as they can go and my hands go way beyond the ends of the extensions.

I have spoken with Canyon and they are sending longer extensions, but will be waiting till the autumn. I am also waiting to hear back about getting a new aerobar with the long stem.

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pesah wrote:
I have been lurking on ST for some time now but today received my speedmax disc and so happy that i needed to share :-)

Beautiful. What rear bottle holder is that? I'm looking to order mine tomorrow and see that they have two options on the site for it.

Thanks
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pesah wrote:
I have been lurking on ST for some time now but today received my speedmax disc and so happy that i needed to share :-)


Beautiful. What rear bottle holder is that? I'm looking to order mine tomorrow and see that they have two options on the site for it.

Thanks

Canyon Speedmax GP0221- 01 Bottle Adapter | CANYON NL
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Hi all,

I will receive my new Speedmax CFR in blue soon and I will alter it to a 1 by setup using the 1x12s axs system.
This means I have to remove the derailleur and braze on derailleur mount.
I am a little worried of having a huge hole in my frame afterwards.
In the picture attached you can see that the derailleur mount is covered in 1x12 scenarios on speedmaxes out there.
Does someone with a speedmax know if these covers come with the frame or are avaiable? Or is there another solution to it?

Cheers

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Hi all,

I will receive my new Speedmax CFR in blue soon and I will alter it to a 1 by setup using the 1x12s axs system.
This means I have to remove the derailleur and braze on derailleur mount.
I am a little worried of having a huge hole in my frame afterwards.
In the picture attached you can see that the derailleur mount is covered in 1x12 scenarios on speedmaxes out there.
Does someone with a speedmax know if these covers come with the frame or are avaiable? Or is there another solution to it?

Cheers

Have you tried sending a message on Canyon’s website? In my experience they put you through to a local rep, and I have been able to have some components sent that aren’t listed on the website. Might be worth a try!

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Brems007 wrote:
Thanks for the response Matt.

Interesting regarding being on the limit in the Canyon sizing. At 186cm i'm on the cusp between M and L. With the Canyon online calculator saying i should be a M.

What issues have you had?

Brems....I would say you are really really really on the very edge of the M.

I am 180cm and ride M, long stem and large extensions. I ride with the pads at their full forward position and the telescoping extensions almost full length. (They do not telescope very far, hence the three different sizes. I can't recall my X Y coordinates, but if you know yours and post them, I will look mine up to help you!

I have had my Speedmax Disc SLX Disc for 5 months now, with 3000km on it and one full iron-cowboy! distance race on it. I love the bike, but I'll start with the things to watch for:

Fit. Many buyers have been given the wrong cockpit information from Canyon. Check, Double check, re-check, re-confirm. They had to send me a new stem (which is the base bar too, so not a cheap part!) and extensions to get it right. My info was correct, so this was free to me and they compensated for the cost of installing new brake cables.

The arm rests are super small (but amazingly comfortable to me!) and they are narrow. For me, the 160mm center to center of each pad is perfect; that is also as wide as they go currently. Canyon could change this by offering a new plate that mounts the arm pads...and I'm sure they will...but when who knows.

What I love:

The hydration system works very well, especially with Canyon's Garmin mount that has a magnet to keep the straw where it belongs. Refilling in a race was no issue, and I did not have spillage like another poster. Just put the bottle down squarely to press open the valve and squeeze it in...you can overfill though...but compared to the splashing I had with about 5 other BTA solutions I had tried before, this is way better!

The flat kit in the BB has everything you need. I know this because I got a flat on the very first ride! I now have tubeless and hopefully won't be needing this (as often)

The bike is so much stiffer than my previous P5. Both in pedaling and while sitting on the aerobars. Really love this and find it a huge step forward for comfort. The Ergon hand grips for the Di2 version of the bike I ride are super comfortable, and my hands don't slip on them even with gel on my fingers. Same goes for the grips on the extensions, super tacky and in my opinion just right! The thick fork does not create road vibration and as an added bonus, I think this is why I have had zero issues with disc break rub/strange noises etc.

I have ridden it to just over 82km\h (flat road of course, you know..just pushing conservative watts!) and no speed wobble etc. Great!

Handles the cross winds as well as, if not better than, any bike with 62/80mm wheels.
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Hi all,

I will receive my new Speedmax CFR in blue soon and I will alter it to a 1 by setup using the 1x12s axs system.
This means I have to remove the derailleur and braze on derailleur mount.
I am a little worried of having a huge hole in my frame afterwards.
In the picture attached you can see that the derailleur mount is covered in 1x12 scenarios on speedmaxes out there.
Does someone with a speedmax know if these covers come with the frame or are avaiable? Or is there another solution to it?

Cheers

White electric tape should cover and blend in nicely.
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Surprised no one has talked about the longer pads that Canyon athletes have been using. It didn't seem to come up in the IM Tulsa thread but I first noticed it with Lange. But then on Instagram I noticed Imogen Simmods with it and scrolled through her feed and it is Canyon Part and not any COTS solution. Well I guess it's an after market solution but made by Canyon. Takes the bike up a notch a bit imo.

Lange's bike: https://www.instagram.com/p/CPMJqaaBBxw/

Simmonds bike: https://www.instagram.com/p/CN28irfBjed/

Will be interesting to see how front ends evolve at the manufacturer level vs. after market solutions.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Surprised no one has talked about the longer pads that Canyon athletes have been using. It didn't seem to come up in the IM Tulsa thread but I first noticed it with Lange. But then on Instagram I noticed Imogen Simmods with it and scrolled through her feed and it is Canyon Park and not any COTS solution. Well I guess it's an after market solution but made by Canyon. Takes the bike up a notch a bit imo.

Lange's bike: https://www.instagram.com/p/CPMJqaaBBxw/

Simmonds bike: https://www.instagram.com/p/CN28irfBjed/

Will be interesting to see how front ends evolve at the manufacturer level vs. after market solutions.

i knew these were coming, but didn't know they had arrived. but i don't know if the have officially "arrived." i'll reach out.

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The fourth animation under "comfort" was on the website since the launch day in november as coming soon (and still is):


https://www.canyon.com/.../#anchorlink-comfort

https://besse.info/
https://www.strava.com/athletes/2012033
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jcbesse wrote:
The fourth animation under "comfort" was on the website since the launch day in november as coming soon (and still is):

https://www.canyon.com/.../#anchorlink-comfort

ahh. yeah. i didn't know that was announced. i guess it's time to see if it's available for sale.

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TheStroBro wrote:
Surprised no one has talked about the longer pads that Canyon athletes have been using. It didn't seem to come up in the IM Tulsa thread but I first noticed it with Lange. But then on Instagram I noticed Imogen Simmods with it and scrolled through her feed and it is Canyon Park and not any COTS solution. Well I guess it's an after market solution but made by Canyon. Takes the bike up a notch a bit imo.

Lange's bike: https://www.instagram.com/p/CPMJqaaBBxw/

Simmonds bike: https://www.instagram.com/p/CN28irfBjed/

Will be interesting to see how front ends evolve at the manufacturer level vs. after market solutions.


i knew these were coming, but didn't know they had arrived. but i don't know if the have officially "arrived." i'll reach out.

My long extensions are due to ship June 7. Looking forward to seeing how they affect my fit/setup. The small pads have been surprisingly comfortable over 3000km of riding on my SLX disc.
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I’m looking to design a rear storage box for the Canyon speedmax disc. Similar to the one I’ve designed for the previous generation speedmax.

https://custombikexcessories.com/...nyon-speedmax-cf-slx



Wondering if there is anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area that has one. Would love to take some measurements off a couple of different sizes.

Email me at yann@custombikexcessories.com if interested

Thanks

Yann

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Shimano shut down its factory in Malaysia which impacted badly component supply globally
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Anyone in the US been able to buy a hydrapak bladder for the cf slx? https://www.canyon.com/...servoir/9101404.html, $50 for the bladder and $250 for shipping? WTF? The US website doesn't show it.
The canadian website shows it as well https://www.canyon.com/...servoir/9101404.html, but they wont ship to the US.

I see that it attaches to another piece that attaches to the frame , wondering how it attaches to that piece. I want to adapt the bento box I've designed for the Cervelo P5X/P3X https://custombikexcessories.com/...fuelselage-bento-box to fit the Canyon bladder.
Is there anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area with the CFX that would be willing to let me take a look at the bladder?

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On the Canyon Speedmax FB page there are an awful lot of posts from people experiencing cracked frames and base bars. What's the feedback here?
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yannb wrote:
Anyone in the US been able to buy a hydrapak bladder for the cf slx? https://www.canyon.com/...servoir/9101404.html, $50 for the bladder and $250 for shipping? WTF? The US website doesn't show it.
The canadian website shows it as well https://www.canyon.com/...servoir/9101404.html, but they wont ship to the US.

I see that it attaches to another piece that attaches to the frame , wondering how it attaches to that piece. I want to adapt the bento box I've designed for the Cervelo P5X/P3X https://custombikexcessories.com/...fuelselage-bento-box to fit the Canyon bladder.
Is there anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area with the CFX that would be willing to let me take a look at the bladder?

Please, anyone? Several hoping for this to happen. 😁
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Hi,
Does anyone know if the aerobar on the Canyon Speedmax CF 7 Disc can be upgraded to something like Vision Metron TFA?
And if yes, what extra parts I'd need?
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Crion wrote:
yannb wrote:
Anyone in the US been able to buy a hydrapak bladder for the cf slx? https://www.canyon.com/...servoir/9101404.html, $50 for the bladder and $250 for shipping? WTF? The US website doesn't show it.
The canadian website shows it as well https://www.canyon.com/...servoir/9101404.html, but they wont ship to the US.

I see that it attaches to another piece that attaches to the frame , wondering how it attaches to that piece. I want to adapt the bento box I've designed for the Cervelo P5X/P3X https://custombikexcessories.com/...fuelselage-bento-box to fit the Canyon bladder.
Is there anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area with the CFX that would be willing to let me take a look at the bladder?


Please, anyone? Several hoping for this to happen. 😁

I have it, but it came with my bike... My question is, If you have either the SLX or CFR models, it should come WITH the bike! Otherwise, are the lower end models accepting the bladder as well?

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Will this bike ever be available for purchasing on Canyon website?
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