When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front

Jul 30, 20 11:56

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While doing some amateur data sleuthing, it occurred to me that performance of the H3 is comparable to that of 60 mm deep wheels at low yaw, and that the H3 is actually somewhat worse at higher yaw.

So naturally, under what sort of conditions does the H3 excel?

Personally, I race at ~28 mph on flat grounds on my TT bike (20-30 min TTs). Even though this is generally considered lower yaw territory, I'm wondering if I would be better off on a 60 mm. Or am I neglecting certain things in my consideration? Somehow recall that a trispoke is advantageous as it has lower power required to spin; how much lower, I don't recall.

Last edited by: echappist: Jul 30, 20 12:13

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 12:09

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Keep in mind most of the drag values you'll see don't take into account rotational drag so you'd have to discount the whole H3+ curve by ~2-3 watts. I run my H3+ in calm conditions.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 12:36

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There's a saying:

"A tri spoke may not always be the best choice, but it will never be a bad choice"

or something like that.......

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [japarker24] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 13:04

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japarker24 wrote:

There's a saying:

"A tri spoke may not always be the best choice, but it will never be a bad choice"

or something like that.......

Does that require the correct (21?) tire width?

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [japarker24] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 13:09

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japarker24 wrote:

There's a saying:

"A tri spoke may not always be the best choice, but it will never be a bad choice"

or something like that.......

Arent the most tri spokes just 60mm front wheels with less, but bigger spokes?
Without Any data to back it up, I would Think that an 80/90mm would be at least on par for real life usage. But then again, if you arent competing to win tri-spoke/disc combo looks faster

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [brasch] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 13:28

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Honestly my H3 has never done well on my roll down tests compared to my 2008 Jet 60 and 2010 Jet 90. My 60 and 90 were always close but my H3 was consistently slower.

That was on 650C wheels though.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 13:58

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ChrisM wrote:

japarker24 wrote:

There's a saying:

"A tri spoke may not always be the best choice, but it will never be a bad choice"

or something like that.......

Does that require the correct (21?) tire width?

I would guess that to choose the best wheel, one would have to assume each wheel is fitted with the best tire. The original H3 tri spoke wheel were maximizes aerodynamically with a 19mm tire. Now, the best tires still in production are 20mm (Conti SuperSonics). But a few years ago, IIRC, the H3 molds were updated & now wider tires are best on the newer model H3s.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [jaretj] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 14:02

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jaretj wrote:

Honestly my H3 has never done well on my roll down tests compared to my 2008 Jet 60 and 2010 Jet 90. My 60 and 90 were always close but my H3 was consistently slower.

That was on 650C wheels though.

From what I Think I recall from an aero test, that I dont remember where I found, I Think the conclusion what that at 0 degrees yaw, a spoke would be faster.
With a disc rear and a front tri spoke, where would My garmin speed sensor go? Thats the main reason I dont have a tro spoke. Never going to qualify for Kona or win something, But at the very least, I try to look fast

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 14:17

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These are the findings you want.

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/...playtime-part-1.html

And the followup

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/2016/

Last edited by: davetallo: Jul 30, 20 14:20

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [brasch] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 14:17

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Are you using a Garmin GPS computer? If so, why would you need the speed sensor?

Favorite Gear: Dimond | Cadex | Desoto Sport | Hoka One One

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [davetallo] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 14:44

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davetallo wrote:

These are the findings you want.

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/...playtime-part-1.html

And the followup

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/2016/

That was the one that prompted my post, which is to say results showing a TriSpoke slower than a 90 mm, even after accounting for aero rotation. Al though i could be misinterpreting the graph

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [brasch] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 16:19

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At the time I was using a PT Jet 90 rear with a cover and a LYC so I didn't need a Garmin sensor

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 18:21

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Consider H3+ which performs closer to a hed 6+

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 18:52

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I did a pretty solid VE test on my HED 3c. It took a Vittoria Pista on it to beat my HED 6+ with GP5000 and latex. Roads here not good enough to use an original 19mm tire HED with any confidence.

I now have an HED 9+.

Fwiw, hour record holder currently runs 90’s on road....Enves. Lookup “Campanaerts ftp test” on youtube. Cool video.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 19:15

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So what everyone seems to be saying, is to ride me H3+ for show, but ride my Jet 9+ for dough :p

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 19:34

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echappist wrote:

davetallo wrote:

These are the findings you want.

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/...playtime-part-1.html

And the followup

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/2016/

That was the one that prompted my post, which is to say results showing a TriSpoke slower than a 90 mm, even after accounting for aero rotation. Al though i could be misinterpreting the graph

As I understood them, the charts do not consider watts to spin. When this is also factored in, I understand this could (arguably) give the h3 an advantage over others in low yaw situations.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [dfquigley] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 19:36

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dfquigley wrote:

So what everyone seems to be saying, is to ride me H3+ for show, but ride my Jet 9+ for dough :p

Depends on the wind on that particular day.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [japarker24] [ In reply to ]

Jul 30, 20 23:28

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But what about some of the more recent composite spoke designs? VisionTech, the weird two-spoke one or the latest Xentis?

Hed’s design comes from the early 90s, and wonderful though it may be (is it true that it was designed on a Cray?), better than other trispokes of the time such as the Nimble crosswind, that’s still a long time ago.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [jaretj] [ In reply to ]

Jul 31, 20 0:44

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jaretj wrote:

Honestly my H3 has never done well on my roll down tests compared to my 2008 Jet 60 and 2010 Jet 90. My 60 and 90 were always close but my H3 was consistently slower.

That was on 650C wheels though.

Thanks that is very helpful.
Would be interesting though anyway whether Tom A has done a test with the Chung method.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 31, 20 6:59

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To determine which wheel is the fastest, you must test it in the particular bike you are using it in. The fork and frame interactions will dictate which wheel is the fastest for which bike.

BoulderCyclingCoach.com

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [SteveMc] [ In reply to ]

Jul 31, 20 7:06

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SteveMc wrote:

But what about some of the more recent composite spoke designs? VisionTech, the weird two-spoke one or the latest Xentis?

Hed’s design comes from the early 90s, and wonderful though it may be (is it true that it was designed on a Cray?), better than other trispokes of the time such as the Nimble crosswind, that’s still a long time ago.

My reading of the original post is that he/she has an H3, and is wondering if a different (60mm or 90mm) wheel would be better. But I could be wrong.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

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Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [japarker24] [ In reply to ]

Jul 31, 20 8:34

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rockdude wrote:

To determine which wheel is the fastest, you must test it in the particular bike you are using it in. The fork and frame interactions will dictate which wheel is the fastest for which bike.

That'd be ideal, but I live too far from wind tunnels and an Alpha Mantis testing site

japarker24 wrote:

SteveMc wrote:

But what about some of the more recent composite spoke designs? VisionTech, the weird two-spoke one or the latest Xentis?
Hed’s design comes from the early 90s, and wonderful though it may be (is it true that it was designed on a Cray?), better than other trispokes of the time such as the Nimble crosswind, that’s still a long time ago.

My reading of the original post is that he/she has an H3, and is wondering if a different (60mm or 90mm) wheel would be better. But I could be wrong.

Currently have a Stinger 6 and a H3+ (the one with wider brake track)

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 31, 20 15:34

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Oh- one more thing that might put the h3 ahead is the forks: reportedly, these excel with forks with deep widely- spaced blades. think: the old QR carbonaero, the Cervelo wolf aero, or the configuration on the Dimond.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [davetallo] [ In reply to ]

Jul 31, 20 18:00

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Interesting. I wonder if my Plasma 3 falls into that category.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 31, 20 19:07

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Well, it certainly piqued my curiosity!

You could probably make some comparisons from your fork to those in the “worst to best” list in post 9.

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...rk%20blades#p1958825

Or, maybe Brian Stover will chime in ... as someone who has done a lot of testing on a Plasma.

Last edited by: davetallo: Jul 31, 20 19:11

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [japarker24] [ In reply to ]

Jul 31, 20 19:23

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My original understanding was always H3+ on flat low yaw rides, and Jet+ 90 for higher yaw rides, and arguably for hillier rides too.

I didn't want to buy the H3+ ONLY for looks :p

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Aug 1, 20 7:30

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in general you wanted a wide, wide fork.
I had an mdt/argos steel one made for my p3sl back in the day ("for" a 3spoke)

*not mine, but same fork.

It worked well in my testing (better than my jet9 of the time)
Later on my speed concept the Jet9 was always faster.
just my experience.

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Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [dfquigley] [ In reply to ]

Aug 1, 20 7:52

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dfquigley wrote:

So what everyone seems to be saying, is to ride me H3+ for show, but ride my Jet 9+ for dough :p

No, not really. Personally, I’ve gone the 90 route and I prefer a 60 or H3+. It would certainly depend on conditions and the route, but I’m convinced that the minimal speed gains in going to a 90 are outweighed by the potentially worse handling of the 90 (but I live in Texas where wind is prevalent). But if you bike in perfect conditions or are very comfortable in cross winds etc, go for the 90.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Aug 1, 20 9:22

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This topic keeps coming up, I think probably because it is very hard to definitively test this so you see lots of conflicting info out there. Complicating testing are four things:
(1) All good wheels are close -- at low yaw we are talking a few watts in the extreme cases
(2) the answer depends on the amount of power used to rotate the wheel, which is less for a good trispoke vs a regular spoked wheel. Wind tunnel tests that ignore this factor (i.e., all wind tunnel tests to date) don't tell the whole story
(3) the answer depends critically on what tire you mate with each wheel
(4) the answer may also vary a bit by bike frame/fork (not sure on this one but it would explain some of the variation in testing results)

What I know from my own careful testing: on my frame (Trek SpeedConcept) and with the older version Conti GPSS 20mm, which was narrower than the current version, the H3 is a good deal faster than the H3+ or any of the deep wheels (e.g. Jet6+ or Jet9+) in low yaw conditions. It is really surprising but I consistently get the same result. Note that the H3 is heavy, and it does not stall like a Jet9+ in a heavy crosswind, so sometimes a Jet9+ might be faster like in a hill climb TT or maybe in a strong crosswind. Also, I have a stash of the old tires and I haven't tested thoroughly with the new ones, so I'm not sure the same holds true for the new tires.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [lanierb] [ In reply to ]

Aug 1, 20 10:16

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"I have a stash of the old tires"

19mm Bonty Aerowings? If so, want to sell any? I have one, but it's starting to get long in the tooth.

Mike Sparks

I have competed well, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [Sparks] [ In reply to ]

Aug 1, 20 10:42

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Sparks wrote:

"I have a stash of the old tires"

19mm Bonty Aerowings? If so, want to sell any? I have one, but it's starting to get long in the tooth.

The ones I use are the older Continental GP Supersonic -- would have to look up the year but I think the main change was like 2015. They are labeled 20mm but they measure really narrow and are as good as anything in CRR too. With the narrow H3 they are blazing fast. Anyway, I still have about five and no way I'm selling them!

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]

Aug 2, 20 2:21

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DFW_Tri wrote:

dfquigley wrote:

So what everyone seems to be saying, is to ride me H3+ for show, but ride my Jet 9+ for dough :p

No, not really. Personally, I’ve gone the 90 route and I prefer a 60 or H3+. It would certainly depend on conditions and the route, but I’m convinced that the minimal speed gains in going to a 90 are outweighed by the potentially worse handling of the 90 (but I live in Texas where wind is prevalent). But if you bike in perfect conditions or are very comfortable in cross winds etc, go for the 90.

A few years back I used to ride a H3+ because I preferred the handling compared with a Jet9+ (both with 23mm Corsa Speeds). It was slower than the J9+ in the field testing and velodrome testing that we did (bikes used were a Cervelo P4 & Trek Speedconcept), only by a tiny bit. I did eventually switch to using the J9+ for pretty much everything though and the H3+ went to a team mate. Subsequent/more recent wind tunnel testing that we did also put it as slower than a J9+ in a Cervelo P5, but really it's not a lot so depends on your handling preferences.

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http://www.aero-coach.co.uk

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [Xavier] [ In reply to ]

Aug 2, 20 8:51

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Hows the team mate doing?

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [Xavier] [ In reply to ]

Aug 2, 20 8:56

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Would the presumption be correct then, that a Hed 3+ would most likely outperform 60 mm front rims? At least 60 mm rims are versatile, and I could use them on my road bike on most conditions. 90 mm would be a bigger ask.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Aug 2, 20 10:03

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echappist wrote:

Would the presumption be correct then, that a Hed 3+ would most likely outperform 60 mm front rims? At least 60 mm rims are versatile, and I could use them on my road bike on most conditions. 90 mm would be a bigger ask.

It really depends on what the exact wheel is, "60mm" doesn't really tell you much about the wheels performance. For example there's a night and day difference between a Corima MCC ~60mm wheel and a Specalized Roval CLX 64, and the H3+ wouldn't be much faster than the Roval, if it was faster at all depending on your tyre preference (Rovals can absorb wider tyres than the H3+, aerodynamically speaking).

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http://www.aero-coach.co.uk

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [michael Hatch] [ In reply to ]

Aug 2, 20 10:04

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michael Hatch wrote:

Hows the team mate doing?

He's moved flat but settled into a new job recently so pretty well I think.

AeroCoach UK
http://www.aero-coach.co.uk

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [Xavier] [ In reply to ]

Aug 2, 20 11:00

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Xavier wrote:

echappist wrote:

Would the presumption be correct then, that a Hed 3+ would most likely outperform 60 mm front rims? At least 60 mm rims are versatile, and I could use them on my road bike on most conditions. 90 mm would be a bigger ask.

It really depends on what the exact wheel is, "60mm" doesn't really tell you much about the wheels performance. For example there's a night and day difference between a Corima MCC ~60mm wheel and a Specalized Roval CLX 64, and the H3+ wouldn't be much faster than the Roval, if it was faster at all depending on your tyre preference (Rovals can absorb wider tyres than the H3+, aerodynamically speaking).

Thanks for addressing this. I currently have Stinger 6 front but would be interested in getting the CLX 64.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [Xavier] [ In reply to ]

Aug 2, 20 17:22

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Xavier wrote:

DFW_Tri wrote:

dfquigley wrote:

So what everyone seems to be saying, is to ride me H3+ for show, but ride my Jet 9+ for dough :p

No, not really. Personally, I’ve gone the 90 route and I prefer a 60 or H3+. It would certainly depend on conditions and the route, but I’m convinced that the minimal speed gains in going to a 90 are outweighed by the potentially worse handling of the 90 (but I live in Texas where wind is prevalent). But if you bike in perfect conditions or are very comfortable in cross winds etc, go for the 90.

A few years back I used to ride a H3+ because I preferred the handling compared with a Jet9+ (both with 23mm Corsa Speeds). It was slower than the J9+ in the field testing and velodrome testing that we did (bikes used were a Cervelo P4 & Trek Speedconcept), only by a tiny bit. I did eventually switch to using the J9+ for pretty much everything though and the H3+ went to a team mate. Subsequent/more recent wind tunnel testing that we did also put it as slower than a J9+ in a Cervelo P5, but really it's not a lot so depends on your handling preferences.

This is a bit what I was afraid of. I have had a Jet 9+ for a couple years that I LOVED ( admittedly the first time I used it, it was SUPER windy with a lot of gusting, and my core has never been more sore after a ride )

I broke it on a downhill somehow, and got crash replacement through HED, so the new one hasn't seen much use.

At my last Half Iron I was able to pick up an H3+ for a SMOKING deal that I'd been eyeing up listed on sale for months that had just been reduced by the seller.

I grabbed it, even to just be something different, cool, or have a backup if my new Jet 9+ blows up on me.

A lot of people seemed to think that the H3+ was faster in flat low yaw conditions, but it might be more novelty at the local time trials, and coolness factor I've bought if the Jet 9+ which I can handle just fine in all wind conditions is basically always faster :p

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [Xavier] [ In reply to ]

Aug 12, 20 6:20

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Do you think that the move to disc brake bikes will prompt a three spoke revival as it removes the larger hub and increased spoke count issue. I notice Revolver note a smaller difference in aero cost for their new three spoke between the disc to rim brake versions, used to great effect by Joe Skipper on his amazing 12hr ride (though of hours Joe would still fly with an Open pro up front).

I am guessing Pro three spoke Hayley has rocked in the past is not a million miles off some of the quicker deep section wheels.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 2, 20 12:16

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echappist wrote:

While doing some amateur data sleuthing, it occurred to me that performance of the H3 is comparable to that of 60 mm deep wheels at low yaw, and that the H3 is actually somewhat worse at higher yaw.

So naturally, under what sort of conditions does the H3 excel?

Personally, I race at ~28 mph on flat grounds on my TT bike (20-30 min TTs). Even though this is generally considered lower yaw territory, I'm wondering if I would be better off on a 60 mm. Or am I neglecting certain things in my consideration? Somehow recall that a trispoke is advantageous as it has lower power required to spin; how much lower, I don't recall.

Did the ST hive mind reach a consensus on this? From what I can tell:

H3 is better at low yaw, and is dependent on using a narrow tire with low RR
Jet 60 and/or 90 are better at high(er) yaw, and work better with the trend toward wider tires

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [geetee] [ In reply to ]

Sep 2, 20 12:34

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Pretty much what you summarized

That said, I am getting a set of Bontrager Aeolus XXX 6 wheels for the windier days or courses with climbs.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 2, 20 13:54

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Did HED discontinue the GT3 and H3 wheels? I'm not seeing them on their site, but then I might not be looking hard enough.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [LAI] [ In reply to ]

Sep 2, 20 14:10

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LAI wrote:

Did HED discontinue the GT3 and H3 wheels? I'm not seeing them on their site, but then I might not be looking hard enough.

I think they did. If you want the GT3, I think competitive cyclist may have an odd one left.

Also discontinued rim brake rear disc as well. Still a disc brake disc though (in the Vanquish line). Higher end stuff is also exclusively disc brake these days.

Hell, I may be tempted to sell mine (H3 Plus) if someone offers me a good enough price. Aeolus 6 is certainly a lot more versatile, and I look like less of a d*****-bag if I were seen cruising on one just for kicks.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 2, 20 19:54

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https://store.hedcycling.com/jet-rc-black-series/

Looks like they still have the Jet Disc rim brake on their site.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 3, 20 3:09

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echappist wrote:

Hell, I may be tempted to sell mine (H3 Plus) if someone offers me a good enough price. Aeolus 6 is certainly a lot more versatile, and I look like less of a d*****-bag if I were seen cruising on one just for kicks.

I don't sweat that. When I take out my Da it's almost in full race trim (only a taillight and speed sensor added) and I wear my aerohead. I bought the equipment to use it not to collect dust and the lid gives me better vision and comfort. Anyhow, that's the justification, not that I need it as I enjoy riding the bike and don't notice if people are jeering.

Photo for reference:

Last edited by: LAI: Sep 3, 20 3:10

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [LAI] [ In reply to ]

Sep 3, 20 3:48

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They sure did, I contacted them asking and it’s no more. I’ve been looking for one for about a year now, on eBay seems like the fronts are gone in minutes.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [mike s] [ In reply to ]

Sep 3, 20 5:11

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Damn, that's a shame. Seems like the GT3 is about as fast as it gets for wheels....if you roll at the pointy end.

Re: When should one use a trispoke front in lieu of a 60 or 90 mm front [LAI] [ In reply to ]

Sep 3, 20 7:08

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LAI wrote:

echappist wrote:

Hell, I may be tempted to sell mine (H3 Plus) if someone offers me a good enough price. Aeolus 6 is certainly a lot more versatile, and I look like less of a d*****-bag if I were seen cruising on one just for kicks.

I don't sweat that. When I take out my Da it's almost in full race trim (only a taillight and speed sensor added) and I wear my aerohead. I bought the equipment to use it not to collect dust and the lid gives me better vision and comfort. Anyhow, that's the justification, not that I need it as I enjoy riding the bike and don't notice if people are jeering.

Photo for reference:

Nice wheels :)

I do need to clarify things a bit, which is that I also did it on my road bike (Felt AR2). The 11-speed clincher wheelset I was using had nipples pulling through the rims; so those were out. I couldn't be arsed to glue tubulars, so the Stingers were out. All that was left was my H3+ /Jet+ disc combo and a front wheel whose rim developed a slight dent (so there's a thump/thump sound when I brake).

The Jet+ was the only 11-speed rear clincher I had in my disposal, and I thought, in for a nickel, in for a dime, might as well go for the full thing.

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