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Lucy Charles Here
 
Hi all. Hope you’re all working hard,

I’m new to slowtwtich, but have heard all about the various Lionel threads ;-) Just posted a new video on YouTube, hope you like it. Will endeavour to post on here whenever we have new content.


 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Hi Lucy! Welcome to our little corner of the interwebs.

We're all nice here. Honest. Except me. I'm apparently known for being a troll.

Swimming Workout of the Day:

Favourite Swim Sets:

2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
It's good to get a Lionel reference in right at the start. Nice job. ;-)

Seriously though, good work with your videos. I've always enjoyed them.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Welcome, and I do enjoy your videos. In particular I like the one you did with GTN where you and Reece raced the GTN guys on Zwift. Good stuff :)
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Hi Lucy!

Always look forward to your content. Welcome!

Strava
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Welcome. Have good training and season...liked your trainiac sessions too.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Welcome to ST! Kona was fun battle for you this year - when I saw you on the Queen K I think you'd just been passed by Sarah and was bummed that you were going to get 3rd. It was a nice surprise to see you battled back for 2nd! I look forward to watching your progress on the bike and run to get on that final step on the podium at Kona!

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Re: Lucy Charles Here [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
 
JasoninHalifax wrote:
Hi Lucy! Welcome to our little corner of the interwebs.

We're all nice here. Honest. Except me. I'm apparently known for being a troll.


Really? That's your lead in?


You've. Already. Started.


Btw, Lucy, pink font is for sarcasm. Except for Jason Halifax.
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Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy Charles wrote:
Hi all. Hope you’re all working hard,

I’m new to slowtwtich, but have heard all about the various Lionel threads ;-) Just posted a new video on YouTube, hope you like it. Will endeavour to post on here whenever we have new content.


Welcome! This is great! Hope to see you here often:) Does Lola get an ST account too?
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Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Welcome
What is your 2020 race schedule? Roth again?
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Hey hey hey. I'll attempt to think of relevant questions. You're a badass, keep it up.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
 
Tom_hampton wrote:
JasoninHalifax wrote:
Hi Lucy! Welcome to our little corner of the interwebs.

We're all nice here. Honest. Except me. I'm apparently known for being a troll.


Really? That's your lead in?


You've. Already. Started.


Btw, Lucy, pink font is for sarcasm. Except for Jason Halifax.

I don't do pink font. Just assume that everything that comes out of my trap is sarcastic, and you'll probably be right. ;-)

Swimming Workout of the Day:

Favourite Swim Sets:

2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
100x100 LCM is badass. If you're going to hang around and answer questions, what did you do for a sendoff time?

Swimming Workout of the Day:

Favourite Swim Sets:

2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
 
It was 50m pool off 1:30 hitting ~ 1:16
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Awwwwwwwww....
I didn't see this coming. Huge fan here. I check and watch your videos, races and instagram all the time. They are very inspiring especially swimming portion which is my weakest discipline. Welcome and please say hello to Mr. Barclay and Lola!!
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Nice!

My club has a tradition of doing the 100x100 as well, although I couldn't make it this year. I did 50 on my own instead, but SCM on 1:35. Always feels good to finish it. I'm feeling a little bit like I should've done the full thing, maybe I can work that in somewhere.

(Cute puppy too).

Swimming Workout of the Day:

Favourite Swim Sets:

2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
The photo you posted on insta, wow, just WOW. How many days a week do you lift weights.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Wow. I'm a huge fan. I watch all your videos. (To my fellow STers, yeah, that's right, I'm a fanboy. So what?) I was interested to see that Reece raced as a pro in Daytona and did pretty well at that. I wouldn't mind seeing more of Reece and his racing in future videos.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Wow! welcome. Hope to see you in Roth (You talked with my son and me at length in 2018) and Kona! Keep sharing with us.

David
* Ironman for Life! (Blog) * IM Everyday Hero Video * Daggett Shuler Law *
Disclaimer: I have personal and professional relationships with many athletes, vendors, and organizations in the triathlon world.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Just oozes positive energy. Gotta love it.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Will endeavour to post on here whenever we have new content.
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You should do an interview with American basketball great Charles Barkley and film it for your channel.






Take a short break from ST and read my blog:
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Re: Lucy Charles Here [tri3ba] [ In reply to ]
 
tri3ba wrote:
The photo you posted on insta, wow, just WOW. How many days a week do you lift weights.

I was blown away by that pic too. Now we know how she can swim so fast. That's just some serious pure muscle.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Thanks for coming over here Lucy, before my question just want to say it has been really fun to watch you race. You filled a gap that was like the Grand Canyon, the one between Ryf and the rest of the field. A few of us can appreciate a solo, completely expected win, but isnt it so much more fun when there is a real challenger? Your off the front style( of course kind of dictated because of your swim prowess) is fun to watch, and makes these long races a lot more interesting, so just know you are really not alone out front there on those long days..

My question is about racing style and choices. I believe you had indicated awhile back that you were interested in perhaps doing some shorter ITU style races? Probably too late in this olympic cycle, and of course there is a lot of talent from your country already in the women's fields, but is this still an interest for you going forward? With your swim and bike, you would always be assured of at the very least hitting T2 with either a small breakaway, or a main group. I believe your running speed is still improving, and if you are now at a 16 flat 5k, you are not that far off what the faster ladies are running too. I would love to see you in a super league style format, where most the bike is time trialing anyway because of the technical courses. Do these types of races still hold any interest for you, or are you now just all in on ironman racing??
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
I blame your videos for my wife wanting a dog. LOL.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy Charles wrote:
Hi all. Hope you’re all working hard,

I’m new to slowtwtich, but have heard all about the various Lionel threads ;-) Just posted a new video on YouTube, hope you like it. Will endeavour to post on here whenever we have new content.



Not as hard as you....but Daniella, Anne and you have made the women IM really appealing.... uber biker, uber runner, uber swimmer...

Will you answer to this..... will we ever see you in ITU against Zaferes, Duffy, T-Brown, etc? Dont you say "maybe" as we do for all in my region in Spain (same as Gomez´) :D

Spaniard. Sorry for my english for the sensitive ones :P
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Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Its these types of videos that makes pro training look so "fun"!!!! Sure, its hard work, but how many different venues did you get to train in? Tat would seem to keep things interesting!

I only have about 5 and all are boring!!! My workout room (bike trainer), the gym (lift/treadmill), the pool at gym, roads near my house for running, slightly wider scope of roads for riding.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Can't wait to see you break 2:50 in the marathon....there I said it first..now it will happen because I am psychic :) heheh Seriously I wish you a happy, injury free year!!

"see the world as it is not as you want it to be"
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [monty] [ In reply to ]
 
Thanks everyone,

With regards to the ITU/Olympics question, I’ve been thinking about it for a while and have been tempted more as my shorter PB’s came down. However, combine a unrealistic pathway set by British Triathlon for an outsider like myself to qualify with coming so close to that top step in Kona 3 years in a row. It has kept me super driven to pursue the longer distance path for now.

Unfortunately the ship has long sailed for Tokyo 2020, but I’ve not ruled out for future years.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Good luck this year. Looks like you are working hard. Keep the videos coming.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Welcome to Slowtwitch! Have you finalized your 2020 race schedule? If so, what is it?

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Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Welcome to the, Slowtwitch Forum Lucy.

Best wishes for a great 2020!

See you in Kona in October.


Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
glad another awesome pro is here!

can you tell us at all about how you use the integrated hydration on the new shiv for your nutrition for long course?

80/20 Endurance Ambassador
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Loved watching the coverage of the race at Kona via the live cast which feature you a lot as you were up front most of the way and with the super gutsy finish reclaiming 2nd place at the end I think you earned even more fans. Your Youtube stuff is always entertaining as well. You guys seem to genuinely enjoy what you're doing, or at least do a good job portraying it that way.

With your swim background do you think you put less time into swim training throughout the year than your competitors? Is it always your intent to go off upfront by yourself so no one is drafting off you and you can get the mental edge of starting off the bike with some time between you and the next athlete? That's assuming if you went a bit slower on the swim maybe you'd have more later on if needed. I don't think many people can choose to just be in the front, at least not without burning too many candles, so I just didn't know what your thoughts were on that ability. In the video you guys were vague in regards to this years plan about keep doing what works and change up some other things, is there anything in particular you are looking to improve that you can share?
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
welcome aboard Lucy... so...…. got any swim tips? you're really fast. i'm really slow! need some help LOL
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [jond81] [ In reply to ]
 
jond81 wrote:
Loved watching the coverage of the race at Kona via the live cast which feature you a lot as you were up front most of the way and with the super gutsy finish reclaiming 2nd place at the end I think you earned even more fans. Your Youtube stuff is always entertaining as well. You guys seem to genuinely enjoy what you're doing, or at least do a good job portraying it that way.

With your swim background do you think you put less time into swim training throughout the year than your competitors? Is it always your intent to go off upfront by yourself so no one is drafting off you and you can get the mental edge of starting off the bike with some time between you and the next athlete? That's assuming if you went a bit slower on the swim maybe you'd have more later on if needed. I don't think many people can choose to just be in the front, at least not without burning too many candles, so I just didn't know what your thoughts were on that ability. In the video you guys were vague in regards to this years plan about keep doing what works and change up some other things, is there anything in particular you are looking to improve that you can share?


I get asked this question a lot. I genuinely find it more difficult to swim slowly because I sit lower in the water and therefore end up putting in equal effort resisting more drag. So equal effort for a much slower pace. It might appear that I’m working really hard to break away from the pack but I’m actually in cruise control, I’m aware it’s a very long day!. I experimented with swimming slower at 70.3 words last year with the intention of some of the faster pack swimmers to latch on, however they couldn’t and it felt like I was purposely slowing down for no real gain.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy Charles wrote:
jond81 wrote:
Loved watching the coverage of the race at Kona via the live cast which feature you a lot as you were up front most of the way and with the super gutsy finish reclaiming 2nd place at the end I think you earned even more fans. Your Youtube stuff is always entertaining as well. You guys seem to genuinely enjoy what you're doing, or at least do a good job portraying it that way.

With your swim background do you think you put less time into swim training throughout the year than your competitors? Is it always your intent to go off upfront by yourself so no one is drafting off you and you can get the mental edge of starting off the bike with some time between you and the next athlete? That's assuming if you went a bit slower on the swim maybe you'd have more later on if needed. I don't think many people can choose to just be in the front, at least not without burning too many candles, so I just didn't know what your thoughts were on that ability. In the video you guys were vague in regards to this years plan about keep doing what works and change up some other things, is there anything in particular you are looking to improve that you can share?



I get asked this question a lot. I genuinely find it more difficult to swim slowly because I sit lower in the water and therefore end up putting in equal effort resisting more drag. So equal effort for a much slower pace. It might appear that I’m working really hard to break away from the pack but I’m actually in cruise control, I’m aware it’s a very long day!. I experimented with swimming slower at 70.3 words last year with the intention of some of the faster pack swimmers to latch on, however they couldn’t and it felt like I was purposely slowing down for no real gain.

Yeah, I have this problem a lot...slowing down but no one can catch me.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy Charles wrote:
Thanks everyone,

With regards to the ITU/Olympics question, I’ve been thinking about it for a while and have been tempted more as my shorter PB’s came down. However, combine a unrealistic pathway set by British Triathlon for an outsider like myself to qualify with coming so close to that top step in Kona 3 years in a row. It has kept me super driven to pursue the longer distance path for now.

Unfortunately the ship has long sailed for Tokyo 2020, but I’ve not ruled out for future years.

But hopefully we can see you do at least 1 ITU race?
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Just wanted to let you know that you are inspiring the next generation of athletes.
There are a few athletes my daughter cheers for - Lucy Charles and Lucy Bronze included - she is also a Lucy but I don't think she is biased to the name, just to strong British athletes.
Good luck for 2020.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Sorry Lucy, got to agree with Reese - Christmas Eve is just the evening, not the whole day!
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy Charles wrote:
Hi all. Hope you’re all working hard,

I’m new to slowtwtich, but have heard all about the various Lionel threads ;-) Just posted a new video on YouTube, hope you like it. Will endeavour to post on here whenever we have new content.


Hi Lucy, welcome to ST! Big fan but I might be a bigger fan of your pup :)

Curious: how do you like traveling with your Shiv? What kind of case do you use?
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Welcome!

That cribs episode made me realise that you are one of the most fun pros and been fan since..... Pure born racer with personality
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Unfortunately the ship has long sailed for Tokyo 2020, but I’ve not ruled out for future years. //

Ya, figured that ITU was out for awhile, but I was wondering if you had thought about Super League? I'm sure they would love to have you there, but of course it would require a bit of sprint focus for a bit. It just looks so dam fun, I wish something like this was around and viable back in my day, I would have done anything to do that format, and for good money too!! But I'm always of the mind that you can do both in a season, especially if the sprint is early in the year. There is plenty of time to get ready for Kona, too much time for many actually.


And I see in your video that you train a lot with Reese, and it appeared that he was leading most of the 100/100 swims? Is he an equal or better swimmer than you are at the moment? Did look like once in awhile you guys may have switched leads, what is his swim background? And also looks like he runs pretty well too, so a very good training partner I would guess. But how does that dynamic play out in the house, being partners and training buddies?
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Re: Lucy Charles Here [monty] [ In reply to ]
 
I usually just lurk, but I have learned a ton from this forum. Welcome to Slowtwitch, I have been a big fan for a couple of years now, and it was great meeting you and Reece in Daytona.
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Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy Charles wrote:
It was 50m pool off 1:30 hitting ~ 1:16

Hey did you beat Lionel to the 200m buoy at Challenge Daytona opening with a 200 fly? (just to tie in the Lionel angle).

How many meters per week are you swimming in your Kona build?
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
More puppies for Kona podiums again this year?
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Wow. I can't believe I'm replying to Lucy FREAKING Charles. Great YouTube content BTW. You have one lucky puppy there, getting to run and swim with you and even travel in that sweet van, you just need to get him on the bike and we'd be all set!
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Great to have you on the forum. Enjoy watching your videos and seeing you race.

Let food be thy medicine...
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [monty] [ In reply to ]
 
monty wrote:
Unfortunately the ship has long sailed for Tokyo 2020, but I’ve not ruled out for future years. //

Ya, figured that ITU was out for awhile, but I was wondering if you had thought about Super League? I'm sure they would love to have you there, but of course it would require a bit of sprint focus for a bit. It just looks so dam fun, I wish something like this was around and viable back in my day, I would have done anything to do that format, and for good money too!! But I'm always of the mind that you can do both in a season, especially if the sprint is early in the year. There is plenty of time to get ready for Kona, too much time for many actually.


And I see in your video that you train a lot with Reese, and it appeared that he was leading most of the 100/100 swims? Is he an equal or better swimmer than you are at the moment? Did look like once in awhile you guys may have switched leads, what is his swim background? And also looks like he runs pretty well too, so a very good training partner I would guess. But how does that dynamic play out in the house, being partners and training buddies?


Big fan of super league, and would love to try it if the schedule works.

Reece used to swim 50s and 100m freestyle, he is normally faster than me in the pool but he doesn’t have an open water swimming technique or background. Over longer distances and especially in open water I have the upper hand. Makes for good ‘rivalry’ because he is faster up to about 800m, we’re even over 1500-1900, anything over that I tend to beat him. He is a great running partner, he ran 2:34 at London Marathon last year and has recently been training full time as a professional triathlete too.

The dynamic of husband/training partner/coach works very well for us. Perhaps we can answer a few of these questions in more detail in upcoming videos.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
 
Least you're honest about it ;-) We've got a real treasure here, don't scare her away please!

In all seriousness, welcome Lucy! It's always great when pro's do more to interact with their fans, even if it's super time-consuming. We all really appreciate it!
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Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy Charles wrote:
jond81 wrote:
Loved watching the coverage of the race at Kona via the live cast which feature you a lot as you were up front most of the way and with the super gutsy finish reclaiming 2nd place at the end I think you earned even more fans. Your Youtube stuff is always entertaining as well. You guys seem to genuinely enjoy what you're doing, or at least do a good job portraying it that way.

With your swim background do you think you put less time into swim training throughout the year than your competitors? Is it always your intent to go off upfront by yourself so no one is drafting off you and you can get the mental edge of starting off the bike with some time between you and the next athlete? That's assuming if you went a bit slower on the swim maybe you'd have more later on if needed. I don't think many people can choose to just be in the front, at least not without burning too many candles, so I just didn't know what your thoughts were on that ability. In the video you guys were vague in regards to this years plan about keep doing what works and change up some other things, is there anything in particular you are looking to improve that you can share?



I get asked this question a lot. I genuinely find it more difficult to swim slowly because I sit lower in the water and therefore end up putting in equal effort resisting more drag. So equal effort for a much slower pace. It might appear that I’m working really hard to break away from the pack but I’m actually in cruise control, I’m aware it’s a very long day!. I experimented with swimming slower at 70.3 words last year with the intention of some of the faster pack swimmers to latch on, however they couldn’t and it felt like I was purposely slowing down for no real gain.

This is really interesting and explains in part why bad swimmers swim doubly bad (like me). If you're faster your position is better so you win in both ways. Of course you must be able to swim faster, and slow AOS's like me are often not able because we get out of breath. Seems a locked door.
However, lately I changed my swimming in that:
-I swim more (instead of 3k a week average 6k average with weeks of 10k);
-I increased stroke frequency. I saw a video of a coach who said 90 % of AOS swimmers have a too low frequency. Surprisingly I am able to do this and do not get out of breath. Probably because the breath frequency increases too.

So the frequency increase together with the buoyancy effect Lucy mentions, I could maybe get out of my stagnation I'm in since years. As a matter of fact I improved my PB on 400m with pullbuoy the day before yesterday with 10s, which is a lot.

(PS I'm also working on this 2/3 breathing on which a thread here is running, but I do not know if that is something for me: it seems to be more strenuous than normal breathing every 2 strokes for me)
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy Charles wrote:
monty wrote:
Unfortunately the ship has long sailed for Tokyo 2020, but I’ve not ruled out for future years. //

Ya, figured that ITU was out for awhile, but I was wondering if you had thought about Super League? I'm sure they would love to have you there, but of course it would require a bit of sprint focus for a bit. It just looks so dam fun, I wish something like this was around and viable back in my day, I would have done anything to do that format, and for good money too!! But I'm always of the mind that you can do both in a season, especially if the sprint is early in the year. There is plenty of time to get ready for Kona, too much time for many actually.


And I see in your video that you train a lot with Reese, and it appeared that he was leading most of the 100/100 swims? Is he an equal or better swimmer than you are at the moment? Did look like once in awhile you guys may have switched leads, what is his swim background? And also looks like he runs pretty well too, so a very good training partner I would guess. But how does that dynamic play out in the house, being partners and training buddies?



Big fan of super league, and would love to try it if the schedule works.

Reece used to swim 50s and 100m freestyle, he is normally faster than me in the pool but he doesn’t have an open water swimming technique or background. Over longer distances and especially in open water I have the upper hand. Makes for good ‘rivalry’ because he is faster up to about 800m, we’re even over 1500-1900, anything over that I tend to beat him. He is a great running partner, he ran 2:34 at London Marathon last year and has recently been training full time as a professional triathlete too.

The dynamic of husband/training partner/coach works very well for us. Perhaps we can answer a few of these questions in more detail in upcoming videos.

2.34 with a sprint swimming background??? I dont do that even I have a buffalo after me for the 42k.....
Lucy, BTW, I am 40, but recently joined a tri squad after years swimming on my own and doing some waterpolo. Do you think it is possible to do the 5 tempo kicking if I train it? I lack of technique after years, and seems this is more up to a brain training....
Thanks from Spain

Spaniard. Sorry for my english for the sensitive ones :P
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Another fan here! Really looking forward to seeing races with you, Daniela and Anne (and of course a bunch of others). Mention Lionel straight at the start earned you some bonus points, it usually takes a few more post for a thread heading Lionel's way.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Hello Lucy, you are absolutely amazing and I am a huge fan. Was hoping to run into you at Club La Santa in December but think you had already left for the holidays.

I was so upset when you didn't win Kona again this year, I was left practically in tears. I also raced in Nice and also felt so disappointed when the day before they gave you the penalty - almost smashed my laptop when I saw that LOL totally unfair.

My question for you. I have no doubt you are capable of taking the top spot in Kona, but I was very surprised that after finishing in the various interviews and press engagements you just seemed so happy rather than angry about not winning again - the dog is cute, but does that make up for Kona...Do you think maybe you need a bit more anger/drive on a psychological level to bridge the gap to the top spot? Or is it just about physical development, or tactics? I found Ali's reaction at the finish line (much talked about on this forum - double Olympic medal winner) and yours in stark contrast - I am certainly more of the type of guy who will simply not accept to lose ever (I am not an elite athlete but have certainly had some let's call it moderate success in the business world so I feel I am allowed to have a view on what it takes to be at the top).

Have just re-read Matt Fitzgerald's "how bad do you want it" hence my interest here.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [ItaloBritt] [ In reply to ]
 
ItaloBritt wrote:
Hello Lucy, you are absolutely amazing and I am a huge fan. Was hoping to run into you at Club La Santa in December but think you had already left for the holidays.

I was so upset when you didn't win Kona again this year, I was left practically in tears. I also raced in Nice and also felt so disappointed when the day before they gave you the penalty - almost smashed my laptop when I saw that LOL totally unfair.

My question for you. I have no doubt you are capable of taking the top spot in Kona, but I was very surprised that after finishing in the various interviews and press engagements you just seemed so happy rather than angry about not winning again - the dog is cute, but does that make up for Kona...Do you think maybe you need a bit more anger/drive on a psychological level to bridge the gap to the top spot? Or is it just about physical development, or tactics? I found Ali's reaction at the finish line (much talked about on this forum - double Olympic medal winner) and yours in stark contrast - I am certainly more of the type of guy who will simply not accept to lose ever (I am not an elite athlete but have certainly had some let's call it moderate success in the business world so I feel I am allowed to have a view on what it takes to be at the top).

Have just re-read Matt Fitzgerald's "how bad do you want it" hence my interest here.

Hi there,

I get your point, but I don’t think anger is a productive emotion to display immediately AFTER the race. Of course I wanted the win, being overtaken so late into the run has given me a massive drive for next year, But you have to tip your hat to someone who lays down a 2:51 in Kona.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Of course I do. You are amazing. I absolutely want to see you on the top spot next year and it sounds like you are supercharged for it. Be less the nice Essex girl and more the natural born killer. Good luck!
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [juanillo] [ In reply to ]
 
juanillo wrote:
Lucy Charles wrote:
monty wrote:
Unfortunately the ship has long sailed for Tokyo 2020, but I’ve not ruled out for future years. //

Ya, figured that ITU was out for awhile, but I was wondering if you had thought about Super League? I'm sure they would love to have you there, but of course it would require a bit of sprint focus for a bit. It just looks so dam fun, I wish something like this was around and viable back in my day, I would have done anything to do that format, and for good money too!! But I'm always of the mind that you can do both in a season, especially if the sprint is early in the year. There is plenty of time to get ready for Kona, too much time for many actually.


And I see in your video that you train a lot with Reese, and it appeared that he was leading most of the 100/100 swims? Is he an equal or better swimmer than you are at the moment? Did look like once in awhile you guys may have switched leads, what is his swim background? And also looks like he runs pretty well too, so a very good training partner I would guess. But how does that dynamic play out in the house, being partners and training buddies?



Big fan of super league, and would love to try it if the schedule works.

Reece used to swim 50s and 100m freestyle, he is normally faster than me in the pool but he doesn’t have an open water swimming technique or background. Over longer distances and especially in open water I have the upper hand. Makes for good ‘rivalry’ because he is faster up to about 800m, we’re even over 1500-1900, anything over that I tend to beat him. He is a great running partner, he ran 2:34 at London Marathon last year and has recently been training full time as a professional triathlete too.

The dynamic of husband/training partner/coach works very well for us. Perhaps we can answer a few of these questions in more detail in upcoming videos.

2.34 with a sprint swimming background??? I dont do that even I have a buffalo after me for the 42k.....
Lucy, BTW, I am 40, but recently joined a tri squad after years swimming on my own and doing some waterpolo. Do you think it is possible to do the 5 tempo kicking if I train it? I lack of technique after years, and seems this is more up to a brain training....
Thanks from Spain[/

Absolutely! Although old habits can be stubborn to change. I’ve seen many triathletes with this “I don’t need to kick, the wetsuit will save me and I don’t want to burn out the legs mentality”. Then they’ve learnt to kick and taken chunks off their times but more importantly they start to enjoy swimming more. It’s not so much the propulsion gain from kicking, it’s the far better body alignment and sitting higher in the water that’s the real gain. Goodluck!
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy Charles wrote:
Hi all. Hope you’re all working hard,

I’m new to slowtwtich, but have heard all about the various Lionel threads ;-) Just posted a new video on YouTube, hope you like it. Will endeavour to post on here whenever we have new content.

Welcome to the site, I have an 11YO Daughter just starting out in Tri, She loves to follow you on Instagram and never races without her Battle braids. Love watching the positive attitude you have and how much fun it looks like your having.

She like to tell me that maybe she will be the next Lucy!
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Welcome to the tribe from an existing follower! Great to have another pro here sharing.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Hi Lucy! Love to see you around here. Remember that picture of a young brit AG jumping in front of the Union Jack? I think that was your first appearance in ST, and little did everyone know that you'd become the great triathlete you are now!

No questions from me, just wanted to say thanks for sharing. I hope to see you at the top in Kona soon!

Sr. Salitre
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Hello Lucy, big fan here, I love the energy and fun of you and Reece’s various posts!
I hope that you will win in Kona soon and I love the post race energy and I agree that negative energy is not for every body and you seems to have fun in what you do and it is working for you!
This is a fantastic website/forum but sometimes you will get unsolicited advices or feed back and even some trolls!
Keep smiling and I hope to see you in person in La Santa where everybody has something nice to say about you!
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Hi Lucy, I am curious about how you track your time in the endless pool. How do you factor in that time as part of your workload, it terms of metrics? Specifically, are you tracking it in a way like calories (with HR) or TSS? I have spent some time with in one, but it doesn't feel like normal swimming to me, and I don't know how I would be able to accurately track it in terms of pace and yardage, and therefore the effort and energy actually used if it were a normal part of training.

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Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Welcome Lucy!! So cool that you’re hanging out here.

I just have one question -!do you think you’ll be at 70.3 Worlds here in NZ later in the year? We would all love to see you.

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Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy, You just motivated me to start swimming again!
Thank you, and welcome!

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2024 Races: USAT State of CT Age Group Championship/State of CT HS Champs/ CT Club Championship - Sat June 15th (Oly/Du/Sprint) Hopkins Vineyard Tri at Lake Waramaug Saturday July 13th http://www.HopkinsVineyardTri.com
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy Charles wrote:
juanillo wrote:
Lucy Charles wrote:
monty wrote:
Unfortunately the ship has long sailed for Tokyo 2020, but I’ve not ruled out for future years. //

Ya, figured that ITU was out for awhile, but I was wondering if you had thought about Super League? I'm sure they would love to have you there, but of course it would require a bit of sprint focus for a bit. It just looks so dam fun, I wish something like this was around and viable back in my day, I would have done anything to do that format, and for good money too!! But I'm always of the mind that you can do both in a season, especially if the sprint is early in the year. There is plenty of time to get ready for Kona, too much time for many actually.


And I see in your video that you train a lot with Reese, and it appeared that he was leading most of the 100/100 swims? Is he an equal or better swimmer than you are at the moment? Did look like once in awhile you guys may have switched leads, what is his swim background? And also looks like he runs pretty well too, so a very good training partner I would guess. But how does that dynamic play out in the house, being partners and training buddies?



Big fan of super league, and would love to try it if the schedule works.

Reece used to swim 50s and 100m freestyle, he is normally faster than me in the pool but he doesn’t have an open water swimming technique or background. Over longer distances and especially in open water I have the upper hand. Makes for good ‘rivalry’ because he is faster up to about 800m, we’re even over 1500-1900, anything over that I tend to beat him. He is a great running partner, he ran 2:34 at London Marathon last year and has recently been training full time as a professional triathlete too.

The dynamic of husband/training partner/coach works very well for us. Perhaps we can answer a few of these questions in more detail in upcoming videos.


2.34 with a sprint swimming background??? I dont do that even I have a buffalo after me for the 42k.....
Lucy, BTW, I am 40, but recently joined a tri squad after years swimming on my own and doing some waterpolo. Do you think it is possible to do the 5 tempo kicking if I train it? I lack of technique after years, and seems this is more up to a brain training....
Thanks from Spain[/

Absolutely! Although old habits can be stubborn to change. I’ve seen many triathletes with this “I don’t need to kick, the wetsuit will save me and I don’t want to burn out the legs mentality”. Then they’ve learnt to kick and taken chunks off their times but more importantly they start to enjoy swimming more. It’s not so much the propulsion gain from kicking, it’s the far better body alignment and sitting higher in the water that’s the real gain. Goodluck!

Wait...let me get this straight. Reece swam 50's and 100's competively (meaning he has the fast twitch for way sub 60 second events) AND he is already an open 2:34 marathoner?

If he is only slightly slower than you in 3.8km, I BET he could do something like 50+4:30+2:55 IM....so it seems like he has the tools to go sub 8:20...but I am guessing at the bike time, but I get if he can swim sprinting, then he has the legs to bike TT really really fast. You don't get to be a competitive swim sprinter without being able to tolerate the same insane burn in the legs as bike TTing.

....and to you, don't worry about the Olympics in Tri. Its all overrated. All those Olympians want to win Kona (ask Emma Snowsill's husband LOL).
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
 
devashish_paul wrote:
Lucy Charles wrote:
juanillo wrote:
Lucy Charles wrote:
monty wrote:
Unfortunately the ship has long sailed for Tokyo 2020, but I’ve not ruled out for future years. //

Ya, figured that ITU was out for awhile, but I was wondering if you had thought about Super League? I'm sure they would love to have you there, but of course it would require a bit of sprint focus for a bit. It just looks so dam fun, I wish something like this was around and viable back in my day, I would have done anything to do that format, and for good money too!! But I'm always of the mind that you can do both in a season, especially if the sprint is early in the year. There is plenty of time to get ready for Kona, too much time for many actually.


And I see in your video that you train a lot with Reese, and it appeared that he was leading most of the 100/100 swims? Is he an equal or better swimmer than you are at the moment? Did look like once in awhile you guys may have switched leads, what is his swim background? And also looks like he runs pretty well too, so a very good training partner I would guess. But how does that dynamic play out in the house, being partners and training buddies?



Big fan of super league, and would love to try it if the schedule works.

Reece used to swim 50s and 100m freestyle, he is normally faster than me in the pool but he doesn’t have an open water swimming technique or background. Over longer distances and especially in open water I have the upper hand. Makes for good ‘rivalry’ because he is faster up to about 800m, we’re even over 1500-1900, anything over that I tend to beat him. He is a great running partner, he ran 2:34 at London Marathon last year and has recently been training full time as a professional triathlete too.

The dynamic of husband/training partner/coach works very well for us. Perhaps we can answer a few of these questions in more detail in upcoming videos.


2.34 with a sprint swimming background??? I dont do that even I have a buffalo after me for the 42k.....
Lucy, BTW, I am 40, but recently joined a tri squad after years swimming on my own and doing some waterpolo. Do you think it is possible to do the 5 tempo kicking if I train it? I lack of technique after years, and seems this is more up to a brain training....
Thanks from Spain[/

Absolutely! Although old habits can be stubborn to change. I’ve seen many triathletes with this “I don’t need to kick, the wetsuit will save me and I don’t want to burn out the legs mentality”. Then they’ve learnt to kick and taken chunks off their times but more importantly they start to enjoy swimming more. It’s not so much the propulsion gain from kicking, it’s the far better body alignment and sitting higher in the water that’s the real gain. Goodluck!


Wait...let me get this straight. Reece swam 50's and 100's competively (meaning he has the fast twitch for way sub 60 second events) AND he is already an open 2:34 marathoner?

If he is only slightly slower than you in 3.8km, I BET he could do something like 50+4:30+2:55 IM....so it seems like he has the tools to go sub 8:20...but I am guessing at the bike time, but I get if he can swim sprinting, then he has the legs to bike TT really really fast. You don't get to be a competitive swim sprinter without being able to tolerate the same insane burn in the legs as bike TTing.

....and to you, don't worry about the Olympics in Tri. Its all overrated. All those Olympians want to win Kona (ask Emma Snowsill's husband LOL).


Yeah. That is nasty good.

I went to uni in America to swim D1 and swam similar short events. Biking for me was easy, but no way I've been close to a 2:34. Running has taken me 10 years of effort to get to a 2:47. I can crack of a 15 ish minute 5k too, but the distance running still takes and inordinate amount of work after all of these years and my shorter events running don't seem to translate in to what I can do when I run over 30k or so.

Maybe Reece should be my coach. PS, shout out to my other swimmers from UK. Seems like we make pretty decent triathletes! ;)
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]
 
turdburgler wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
Lucy Charles wrote:
juanillo wrote:
Lucy Charles wrote:
monty wrote:
Unfortunately the ship has long sailed for Tokyo 2020, but I’ve not ruled out for future years. //

Ya, figured that ITU was out for awhile, but I was wondering if you had thought about Super League? I'm sure they would love to have you there, but of course it would require a bit of sprint focus for a bit. It just looks so dam fun, I wish something like this was around and viable back in my day, I would have done anything to do that format, and for good money too!! But I'm always of the mind that you can do both in a season, especially if the sprint is early in the year. There is plenty of time to get ready for Kona, too much time for many actually.


And I see in your video that you train a lot with Reese, and it appeared that he was leading most of the 100/100 swims? Is he an equal or better swimmer than you are at the moment? Did look like once in awhile you guys may have switched leads, what is his swim background? And also looks like he runs pretty well too, so a very good training partner I would guess. But how does that dynamic play out in the house, being partners and training buddies?



Big fan of super league, and would love to try it if the schedule works.

Reece used to swim 50s and 100m freestyle, he is normally faster than me in the pool but he doesn’t have an open water swimming technique or background. Over longer distances and especially in open water I have the upper hand. Makes for good ‘rivalry’ because he is faster up to about 800m, we’re even over 1500-1900, anything over that I tend to beat him. He is a great running partner, he ran 2:34 at London Marathon last year and has recently been training full time as a professional triathlete too.

The dynamic of husband/training partner/coach works very well for us. Perhaps we can answer a few of these questions in more detail in upcoming videos.


2.34 with a sprint swimming background??? I dont do that even I have a buffalo after me for the 42k.....
Lucy, BTW, I am 40, but recently joined a tri squad after years swimming on my own and doing some waterpolo. Do you think it is possible to do the 5 tempo kicking if I train it? I lack of technique after years, and seems this is more up to a brain training....
Thanks from Spain[/

Absolutely! Although old habits can be stubborn to change. I’ve seen many triathletes with this “I don’t need to kick, the wetsuit will save me and I don’t want to burn out the legs mentality”. Then they’ve learnt to kick and taken chunks off their times but more importantly they start to enjoy swimming more. It’s not so much the propulsion gain from kicking, it’s the far better body alignment and sitting higher in the water that’s the real gain. Goodluck!


Wait...let me get this straight. Reece swam 50's and 100's competively (meaning he has the fast twitch for way sub 60 second events) AND he is already an open 2:34 marathoner?

If he is only slightly slower than you in 3.8km, I BET he could do something like 50+4:30+2:55 IM....so it seems like he has the tools to go sub 8:20...but I am guessing at the bike time, but I get if he can swim sprinting, then he has the legs to bike TT really really fast. You don't get to be a competitive swim sprinter without being able to tolerate the same insane burn in the legs as bike TTing.

....and to you, don't worry about the Olympics in Tri. Its all overrated. All those Olympians want to win Kona (ask Emma Snowsill's husband LOL).



Yeah. That is nasty good.

I went to uni in America to swim D1 and swam similar short events. Biking for me was easy, but no way I've been close to a 2:34. Running has taken me 10 years of effort to get to a 2:47. I can crack of a 15 ish minute 5k too, but the distance running still takes and inordinate amount of work after all of these years and my shorter events running don't seem to translate in to what I can do when I run over 30k or so.

Maybe Reece should be my coach. PS, shout out to my other swimmers from UK. Seems like we make pretty decent triathletes! ;)

That 2:34 open marathon off a sprint swimming background spans all ends of the energy system in a way few can. I think this guy has a ton of potential.

Back to Lucy though, I think racing less IM's through the year and more shorter races (maybe including Super League) is the way to go. Mark Allen style. She also has the huge advantage of being able to log a lot of aerobic volume in the pool and save her body through the season with less requirement for all that pounding all the time to get her top end fitness. Look at what Tim O'Donnell was able to do at Kona when forced into less run for a period and did a big swim - bike block and was able to have more resources left to run his fastest ever on his least amount of run training in the lead up. Lucy already has this advantage built in. Many tri pros would not be able to endure the volume and intensity she can put in the water so they have to get that aerobic lift from other sports.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Hey Lucy!

Great to see you here!
Your run improved significantly obviously, as can be seen by your impressive 5k times.
What I noticed is your great running form. Did you work on it specifically?
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Lucy Charles wrote:
Hi all. Hope you’re all working hard,
I’m new to slowtwtich, but have heard all about the various Lionel threads ;-) Just posted a new video on YouTube, hope you like it. Will endeavour to post on here whenever we have new content.

Lucy - Now that you've been doing tri for a few years, do you ever miss the relative simplicity of training for just swimming??? By "simplicity", I mean no worries about bike malfunctions, flats, crashes, etc, and no worries about running injuries. Plus, you just go to the pool, with no worries about the traffic wherever you are riding and running. In many respects, swim training is a good bit simpler than tri training. :)


"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
 
Dev wrote: ....and to you, don't worry about the Olympics in Tri. Its all overrated. All those Olympians want to win Kona (ask Emma Snowsill's husband LOL).

Love you Dev, but just 'no' to what you wrote here above. Easy for Jan to say this now (he's not going to go back to ITU racing at his age), but his opinion would have been different had you asked him in circa 2006-7. Even in 2009. And all those Olympians wanting to win Kona doesn't mean that they don't value having been an Olympian. They already achieved this. It was their dream, and the dream of most kids racing triathlons these days.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Diabolo] [ In reply to ]
 
He’s also from Germany which has a disproportionate number of people who care about Ironman compared to the majority of other countries.
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
Great to have you here!
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Lucy Charles] [ In reply to ]
 
i'm going to LOCK this thread today unless i receive a contrary instruction by the only relevant party! this was a GREAT thread, thank you lucy, and i know all our readers understand that you can't answer questions ad infinitum.

i'll leave this open for any last words, and then out of respect for lucy's time and schedule, we'll bring this one in for a landing until it's time to take off again.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
 
Re: Lucy Charles Here [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
 
easy enough to recall the thread so as to bring that video back up when needed. that was the most motivating swim
segment, thing of beauty to watch! thank you for orchestrating that dan, and thank you lucy for participating, good luck in 2020.

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