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There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment
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Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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There is a reason for the maxim, hard cases make bad law.

This would be the perfect example of that adage.

Does he deserve to die? Sure. State sponsored execution is still wrong.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
There is a reason for the maxim, hard cases make bad law.

This would be the perfect example of that adage.

Does he deserve to die? Sure. State sponsored execution is still wrong.

I'll mark you down as pro vigilantism then
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

Deducting 20 points for no explanation of what the fuck you're talking about.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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I’m guessing Chicago? One of my uncles is a counselor at Cook County Jail (27 years, he holds the record). He’s told me some really horrendous stories over the years. Truly sadistic stuff that somehow never made the news. The worst one was about a thug who put some girl’s newborn in an oven in front of her and made her watch as he cooked the baby.

For all of those who are opposed to the death penalty because of some convoluted “high road” moral argument, I’ll let you in on a little secret: what happened to that thug in jail was far worse than death.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [zed707] [ In reply to ]
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zed707 wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

Deducting 20 points for no explanation of what the fuck you're talking about.

News story I saw .... there's this thing called Google
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
I’m guessing Chicago? One of my uncles is a counselor at Cook County Jail (27 years, he holds the record). He’s told me some really horrendous stories over the years. Truly sadistic stuff that somehow never made the news. The worst one was about a thug who put some girl’s newborn in an oven in front of her and made her watch as he cooked the baby.

For all of those who are opposed to the death penalty because of some convoluted “high road” moral argument, I’ll let you in on a little secret: what happened to that thug in jail was far worse than death.

New York IIRC

I hope he died eventually
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Life as a child killer in prison is worse than death.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

Nope

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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
zed707 wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Deducting 20 points for no explanation of what the fuck you're talking about.


News story I saw .... there's this thing called Google

I shouldn't have to Google what the fuck you're talking about.

I deduct another 20 points.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:

For all of those who are opposed to the death penalty because of some convoluted “high road” moral argument, I’ll let you in on a little secret: what happened to that thug in jail was far worse than death.



At one of my former jobs, I worked with a few prison guards. They said that even in prison there is an "honor system" where criminals who hurt kids (rape, murder, abuse, etc...) are considered the lowest of the low. They said these guys are in for a very hard life behind bars
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]
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CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

Nope

You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [zed707] [ In reply to ]
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zed707 wrote:
windywave wrote:
zed707 wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Deducting 20 points for no explanation of what the fuck you're talking about.


News story I saw .... there's this thing called Google

I shouldn't have to Google what the fuck you're talking about.

I deduct another 20 points.

I provided a synopsis. There's mitigating circumstance for burning a child alive.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [eye3md] [ In reply to ]
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eye3md wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:

For all of those who are opposed to the death penalty because of some convoluted “high road” moral argument, I’ll let you in on a little secret: what happened to that thug in jail was far worse than death.



At one of my former jobs, I worked with a few prison guards. They said that even in prison there is an "honor system" where criminals who hurt kids (rape, murder, abuse, etc...) are considered the lowest of the low. They said these guys are in for a very hard life behind bars

Yes but couple that with knowing you're going to endure being burned alive and the other inmates know to not kill you so you can be burned alive.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Nope


You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?


If this happened to one of my grandchildren, there would be no trial or incarceration. Only vengeance!
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Unfortunately the perpetrator is still alive. And you left out the part where he chained the doors of the car shut so no one could come to the little girl's aid.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

It could be argued that state sponsored execution is too merciful for this piece of filth.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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https://nypost.com/...e-setting-the-blaze/

Local event for me. All over the news. Technically on Long Island, but inside the NYC limits so they get credit for this one.

The details just keep getting worse. I'm begging to think mental illness was involved. I don't see how anyone could do that, even on drugs.

"...the street finds its own uses for things"
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [Apollo71] [ In reply to ]
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Apollo71 wrote:

It could be argued that state sponsored execution is too merciful for this piece of filth.

And that is my stance on the death penalty. I have no problem with the death penalty being carried out, but IMO it is the easy way out. I think that there are some crimes that are so heinous that punishment should include pain and misery. If it becomes too much for them to bear, then give them a butter knife and let them end it.

The three sub-humans in Chicago that strangled a young expecting mother and then cut her baby out of the womb also qualify.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

Nope

You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?

Nope, it was a terrible crime and he should go to jail forever.

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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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AutomaticJack wrote:
https://nypost.com/...e-setting-the-blaze/

The details just keep getting worse. I'm begging to think mental illness was involved. I don't see how anyone could do that, even on drugs.

i took a close quarters handgun class a couple weeks ago. the instructors recommended this book.

https://www.amazon.com/...logist/dp/0375702482

one of the things the instructors said we 'normal' people do is try to project our 'normalness' on the rest of society. bottom line, there are sick people out there. some of the sick people are violent and violence is their norm. it's their job. there is evil out there that needs to be cleansed from the earth.

ΜΟΛΩΝ-ΛΑΒΕ
we're doomed
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Nope


You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?

NO, I think you just refuse or are incapable of understanding the reason some oppose the death penalty.

Just Triing
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Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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AutomaticJack wrote:
https://nypost.com/...e-setting-the-blaze/

Local event for me. All over the news. Technically on Long Island, but inside the NYC limits so they get credit for this one.

The details just keep getting worse. I'm begging to think mental illness was involved. I don't see how anyone could do that, even on drugs.

Thanks for the link, nice to be able to find what the OP is talking about without having to go search.

Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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AutomaticJack wrote:
https://nypost.com/...e-setting-the-blaze/

Local event for me. All over the news. Technically on Long Island, but inside the NYC limits so they get credit for this one.

The details just keep getting worse. I'm begging to think mental illness was involved. I don't see how anyone could do that, even on drugs.

Interesting that it appears he may have started to kill himself.

Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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I remain opposed to state sponsored murder, but I'd have no problem personally giving this piece of garbage the Dothraki "crown for a king" treatment.

It would still be too merciful for what he deserves.

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

On board with taking people out of the pool in cases like this. Put me down for vigilantism as well.

There was an even worse story out of CHI the other day. Something about 2 individuals removing and strangling a fetus while it was still connected. Honestly I glanced at the headline and decided it was too horrible of a story to read fully so I might have not picked it up accurately.

I've seen some horrible shit in my life but something about the potential of that (perceived) headline and article got me scrolling quickly past it.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]
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CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

Nope

You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?

Nope, it was a terrible crime and he should go to jail forever.

No to vigilantism too?
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [DavHamm] [ In reply to ]
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DavHamm wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Nope


You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?

NO, I think you just refuse or are incapable of understanding the reason some oppose the death penalty.

No I understand, hence why I offered the vigilantism option.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Nope


You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?


Nope, it was a terrible crime and he should go to jail forever.


No to vigilantism too?

A strong no to vigilantism. Mobs are stupid. That's why there is a system of justice with rules and evidentiary burdens. I also support keeping inmates safe. That means not allowing them to get beaten, raped, or otherwise brutalized by other defendants, regardless of their offense.

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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]
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CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Nope


You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?


Nope, it was a terrible crime and he should go to jail forever.


No to vigilantism too?

A strong no to vigilantism. Mobs are stupid. That's why there is a system of justice with rules and evidentiary burdens. I also support keeping inmates safe. That means not allowing them to get beaten, raped, or otherwise brutalized by other defendants, regardless of their offense.

Your position is unfathomable to me.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Nope


You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?


Nope, it was a terrible crime and he should go to jail forever.


No to vigilantism too?

A strong no to vigilantism. Mobs are stupid. That's why there is a system of justice with rules and evidentiary burdens. I also support keeping inmates safe. That means not allowing them to get beaten, raped, or otherwise brutalized by other defendants, regardless of their offense.

Your position is unfathomable to me.

1) You can’t exonerate someone who has been killed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

2) Capital punishment is not an effective deterrent.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/...ce-and-death-penalty

Lots of other reasons why I don’t agree with Capital punishment but that is enough.

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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]
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CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Nope


You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?


Nope, it was a terrible crime and he should go to jail forever.


No to vigilantism too?

A strong no to vigilantism. Mobs are stupid. That's why there is a system of justice with rules and evidentiary burdens. I also support keeping inmates safe. That means not allowing them to get beaten, raped, or otherwise brutalized by other defendants, regardless of their offense.

Your position is unfathomable to me.

1) You can’t exonerate someone who has been killed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

2) Capital punishment is not an effective deterrent.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/...ce-and-death-penalty

Lots of other reasons why I don’t agree with Capital punishment but that is enough.

Neither of those points is pertinent to the case in hand. Carry on
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
j p o wrote:
There is a reason for the maxim, hard cases make bad law.

This would be the perfect example of that adage.

Does he deserve to die? Sure. State sponsored execution is still wrong.

I'll mark you down as pro vigilantism then

Would I shed a tear if someone did? No. But then they would have to be held accountable.

If someone raped or killed my wife, they weren't caught and I knew for certain who they were? I would do my best to see they never saw trial. But then I'd have to face the consequences.

That's what happens when you live in a civilized society. Your sense of vengeance doesn't always get satisfied.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
windywave wrote:
j p o wrote:
There is a reason for the maxim, hard cases make bad law.

This would be the perfect example of that adage.

Does he deserve to die? Sure. State sponsored execution is still wrong.

I'll mark you down as pro vigilantism then

Would I shed a tear if someone did? No. But then they would have to be held accountable.

If someone raped or killed my wife, they weren't caught and I knew for certain who they were? I would do my best to see they never saw trial. But then I'd have to face the consequences.

That's what happens when you live in a civilized society. Your sense of vengeance doesn't always get satisfied.

And by face the consequences...jury nullification
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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I'm comfortable with the death penalty for murderers, however death penalty cases nearly twice as much as normal cases maintaining the death row prisoners costs 90k more per year than traditional inmates.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]
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 To the contrary Canada ---no credible evidence of a single innocent man or woman executed in the last forty years. I am a prosecutor involved in capital litigation -- and go to conferences on the issue. I would know the name. So, please tell me who was proven innocent and executed. Sociology professors sometimes use anticipated error or hypothesize and extrapolate an error rate. That, my friends is pure bull shit. Experience has shown an established error rate of zero. Hundreds of deserving murderers executed---to 0 innocent. As the late Justice Scalia put it -- Kansas v. Marsh, 548 U.S. 163, 199 (2006)(. . .This explains why those ideologically driven to ferret out and proclaim a mistaken modern execution have not a single verifiable case to point to, whereas it is easy as pie to identify plainly guilty murderers who have been set free.”).


And, by the way ----the Death Penalty info cite is not terribly reliable and advances an agenda.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Skipjack wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


On board with taking people out of the pool in cases like this. Put me down for vigilantism as well.

There was an even worse story out of CHI the other day. Something about 2 individuals removing and strangling a fetus while it was still connected. Honestly I glanced at the headline and decided it was too horrible of a story to read fully so I might have not picked it up accurately.

I've seen some horrible shit in my life but something about the potential of that (perceived) headline and article got me scrolling quickly past it.

CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Nope


You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?


Nope, it was a terrible crime and he should go to jail forever.


No to vigilantism too?


A strong no to vigilantism. Mobs are stupid. That's why there is a system of justice with rules and evidentiary burdens. I also support keeping inmates safe. That means not allowing them to get beaten, raped, or otherwise brutalized by other defendants, regardless of their offense.

I'm OK w/ removing people who are clearly unfit to continue living among us forever, but also a strong no to vigilantism ~ who the hell gets to decide what the appropriate threshold is for the next case and the next? That's a slippery slope into wanton barbarism; where will that get us? Keeping the guy alive on the public dime for the rest of his life is a poor use of limited tax dollars, so if it's determined that he's too big a risk to ever get rehabbed and released then no use in keeping him around or even letting the other inmates continue perpetuating the cycle of barbarism, but the State should never take any relish in it either.

No amount of retribution will ever bring the victim back or undo the crime; it only enables the evil or sadism to grow in others when we give it our seal of approval. It's ultimately still the same old "Two wrongs don't make a Right" rule when you boil it down ~ even though the tools & outcomes may have escalated since we were in kindergarden, the principle remains unchanged. In a civilized society, the process should be dutifully upheld as solemnly and objectively as possible, and if so deemed then the piece of shit should be put down as dispassionately as possible too. I view it much like simply euthanizing a dog that mauled a kid. It's not about 'punishing' the dog (because duh), only utility or expedience in eliminating it as a further threat.

Maybe it helps if you simply try to think of someone whose mind is that fucked up as a rabid dog... People already use words like 'animal' or 'subhuman' to describe remorseless killers, so this is just another stop on that track. We'll euthanize a mountain lion that roams into a rural neighborhood and kills a kid or even pets, not because the cat is aware it's doing anything wrong or how much suffering it inflicted on its prey, but simply as a public service to the immediate community.
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