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playoffs, conferences finals, draft, trade rumors..

Pelicans got the no.1 pick. With all the AD saga (still is) and Cousins leaving earlier, they were destined to go nowhere and now its a whole different outlook. Karma.
Warriors - Bucks final?
Lebron on the trading list? who knew....

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Can't wait to see the Greek freak in the finals.
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Can't wait to see the Greek freak in the finals.

Um... he's still got some work to do. Or have you forgotten already?



How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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The only player I'd like to see less in Philly next year than LeBron is Simmons.

Every year the Sixer's faithful are going to keep saying, "Simmons is still young". Then, one day, he'll be a 30-something with no jump shot.

Oh, and Embid is going to eat himself out of the league so if I can pair LeBron with Embid for the two good years they both have left, they might be able to win something.
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axlsix3 wrote:
Can't wait to see the Greek freak in the finals.


Um... he's still got some work to do. Or have you forgotten already?


I'd like to see Hawaii in the finals too but Milwaukee has a deeper team.
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Warriors looked like they were just toying with Portland last night. Especially compared to any of the games against the Clippers.
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The east is up in the air. The Sports channel talking heads and analysts typically are calling it 60/40 in favor of the Bucks, but the statistical models at 538 ( https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ions/?ex_cid=rrpromo ) have the Raptors a 56%-44% favorites.

Remember - It's important to be comfortable in your own skin... because it turns out society frowns on wearing other people's
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Can't wait to see the Greek freak in the finals.


Um... he's still got some work to do. Or have you forgotten already?



I love Raptors basketball, but think Milwaukee will prove to be tough to overcome. also home court advantage. I am in owe each time I see the Raptors fans at the square called Jurassic Park outside the the Air Canada arena. Its looks like world cup atmosphere, very impressive.
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The only player I'd like to see less in Philly next year than LeBron is Simmons.

Every year the Sixer's faithful are going to keep saying, "Simmons is still young". Then, one day, he'll be a 30-something with no jump shot.

Oh, and Embid is going to eat himself out of the league so if I can pair LeBron with Embid for the two good years they both have left, they might be able to win something.


The question is also how will Simmons pair with Ball, that makes two "no jump shot" players (Less so for Ball but still). But in the Lakers La La Land everything is possible. It is a vote of confidence for the younger players at the Lakers though, also with Kuzma representing them in the draft draw yesterday. They know that this all AD trade rumors really hurt them.
I really like Embid, I hope he will do well. Butler is a free agent too.
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Warriors in five.
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I'm really hoping the Raptors win of course but my second interest would be having anyone but Golden State...
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any particular reason? or their dominance got to you?
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They may take game 1, but still early.
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axlsix3 wrote:
Can't wait to see the Greek freak in the finals.

4 days later , and its looking closer to happen.
Are the Blazers (and the Raptors) will bounce back in game 3? do or die.
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Quite a lot written about the KD-less Warriors. Whether or not their game is more entertaining without him I sure couldn't say but at least it gives other teams at least a small chance. Their dismantling of Portland through two games notwithstanding. Steph/Klay/KD are brilliant but Ike and DG are what makes them so tough. No one will stop the Freak but Green and Ike can stop any other player Bucks(or Toronto excepting Leonard) have on the court. It's been tipping the scales in Warrior's favor for a long time..Quite a stacked lineup when you can nearly run the table with the best player in basketball on the bench.
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KD would/will be a much more critical matchup vs Giannis & the Bucks (or even KL & the Raps if they manage to pull off the upset), but vs Blazers this round it's like 2015 all over again. It's crazy to think the Warriors' 'fallback' plan is to revert to essentially the same roster that went to back-to-back Finals (winning 1) and won 67 & 73 games during those regular seasons, with the league MVP both years (one of which was the first & only unanimous vote ever)...

"Um yeah, let's see, uh... Wait no, I got it ~ we'll just need to have the greatest 3 point shooter ever (and that other guy, who only holds the records for most made 3s in a single game, both RS & playoffs) shoot more 3-pointers. Yeah, let's go w/ that..." That's genius, man.
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Seth Curry was quoting as saying that the Warriors are harder to defend without KD It makes sense with all the isolations KD is getting, which is less entertaining to watch for sure. However, they are healthy now (less KD) and play a Blazers team they can easily match. In a physical series it could be a different story. They were not so formidable team during the season and playoff too. I wouldn't write off KD as yet and big brother Curry was smart to say they can win without KD but they need him.
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I think the Warriors are more fun to watch without KD. I start with a bias though because I'm firmly in the camp of those who acknowledge that KD is an all-time great, but think he took the cheap way out going to a team that went 73-9 and bounced him from the playoffs after his team had a 3-1 lead. I'm not a Warriors fan, but if KD can't come back that might switch as a Warriors win without him would "prove" that he's just been an extra part this whole time.
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b4itwascold wrote:
axlsix3 wrote:
Can't wait to see the Greek freak in the finals.


4 days later , and its looking closer to happen.
Are the Blazers (and the Raptors) will bounce back in game 3? do or die.

A team is never truly in trouble until it loses at home. Raps haven't lost at home yet. They will still need to steal a game in Milwaukee.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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BLeP wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
axlsix3 wrote:
Can't wait to see the Greek freak in the finals.


4 days later , and its looking closer to happen.
Are the Blazers (and the Raptors) will bounce back in game 3? do or die.


A team is never truly in trouble until it loses at home. Raps haven't lost at home yet. They will still need to steal a game in Milwaukee.


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How about Magic's interview with S.Smith yesterday? I don't think of the Lakers as the team most likely to have its very, very dirty linen hung out in full view but Magic seemed like he had some stuff he wanted to get off his chest. Actually, I can still see AD winding up in LA because the Lakers have so much they can offer in return. Kyrie also a possibility? One hears things...But it won't matter; all roads lead through the Bay, with or without KD.
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b4itwascold wrote:
axlsix3 wrote:
Can't wait to see the Greek freak in the finals.


4 days later , and its looking closer to happen.
Are the Blazers (and the Raptors) will bounce back in game 3? do or die.

As the Eagles once sang - but the Greeks don't want no freaks...
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b4itwascold wrote:
BLeP wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
axlsix3 wrote:
Can't wait to see the Greek freak in the finals.


4 days later , and its looking closer to happen.
Are the Blazers (and the Raptors) will bounce back in game 3? do or die.


A team is never truly in trouble until it loses at home. Raps haven't lost at home yet. They will still need to steal a game in Milwaukee.



And it's a best of 3! North over everything!
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So I’m Canadian and a bandwagon fan. Who is Norman Powell? He appears to be mostly a bench guy who is stepping up in the play offs.

Maurice
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He's a very talented but highly inconsistent player. He's had a few good games lately.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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If the bench will continue to contribute like this, the have a shot at stealing a game in Milwaukee.
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alltom1 wrote:
How about Magic's interview with S.Smith yesterday? I don't think of the Lakers as the team most likely to have its very, very dirty linen hung out in full view but Magic seemed like he had some stuff he wanted to get off his chest. Actually, I can still see AD winding up in LA because the Lakers have so much they can offer in return. Kyrie also a possibility? One hears things...But it won't matter; all roads lead through the Bay, with or without KD.

yes, he felt compelled to explain it. It perhaps became a personal thing to him. The KD saga is not simple, imo. He may run into a situation where he will play a second violin in the Lakers. I think the Knicks are a good fit for him, but that remains to be seen. The warriors will keep wining as long as they want to with this squad.
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If the bench will continue to contribute like this, the have a shot at stealing a game in Milwaukee.

Yeah, I wouldn't count on that.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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If the bench will continue to contribute like this, the have a shot at stealing a game in Milwaukee.


Yeah, I wouldn't count on that.

If The Freak keeps shooting 60% from the line (including air balls), you have more than "a shot" at taking a game in MKE.

Amazing what a difference home cooking makes for a team.

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JSA wrote:
BLeP wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
If the bench will continue to contribute like this, the have a shot at stealing a game in Milwaukee.


Yeah, I wouldn't count on that.


If The Freak keeps shooting 60% from the line (including air balls), you have more than "a shot" at taking a game in MKE.

Amazing what a difference home cooking makes for a team.

Stupid Raps. If they hadn't choked in the 4th Q of game one this would be a 3-1 lead.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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BLeP wrote:
JSA wrote:
BLeP wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
If the bench will continue to contribute like this, the have a shot at stealing a game in Milwaukee.


Yeah, I wouldn't count on that.


If The Freak keeps shooting 60% from the line (including air balls), you have more than "a shot" at taking a game in MKE.

Amazing what a difference home cooking makes for a team.


Stupid Raps. If they hadn't choked in the 4th Q of game one this would be a 3-1 lead.

Stupid Bucks. If they hadn't choked in the 4th Q of game three this would be a 3-1 lead.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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JSA wrote:
BLeP wrote:
JSA wrote:
BLeP wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
If the bench will continue to contribute like this, the have a shot at stealing a game in Milwaukee.


Yeah, I wouldn't count on that.


If The Freak keeps shooting 60% from the line (including air balls), you have more than "a shot" at taking a game in MKE.

Amazing what a difference home cooking makes for a team.


Stupid Raps. If they hadn't choked in the 4th Q of game one this would be a 3-1 lead.


Stupid Bucks. If they hadn't choked in the 4th Q of game three this would be a 3-1 lead.

Game three was awful. Neither team wanted to win that one.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Game three was awful. Neither team wanted to win that one.

Yep. I was ecstatic going into this series. Hard for me to regain that enthusiasm after the last 2 games. All I keep hearing in the back of my head is S.O.B. (same old Bucks), which is what was playing in my head during the NLCS (same old Brewers).

Don't get me wrong, both teams had seasons to remember and I'll never stop being a die hard fan. But, DAMMIT, it still stings!

Stupid sports!

Well, best of 3 and we have home court advantage. Let's go Deer!

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Either team will get killed by the Warriors...

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Sports reminds me of Christopher Walken in True Romance when he punches Dennis Harper. See 1:44:





[Holding a clenched fist in one direction, then striking Clifford with the other]
Coccotti : That smarts, doesn't it? Getting slammed in the nose. Fucks you all up. You get that pain shootin' through your brain, your eyes fill up with water. That ain't any kind of fun, but what I have to offer you, that's as good as it's gonna get. And it won't ever get that good again.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Either team will get killed by the Warriors...

I keep hearing the talking heads on ESPN all saying the Bucks will take the Warriors without KD. Sorry, but, I just don't see it. I think they could take the Warriors to 6 games. Maybe even 7. But, man, the only way the Bucks take the Warriors is if everyone is on point and they have not more than a couple games with everyone on point during the entire playoffs. Bucks haven't won a playoff series in many years. They are about a year away from taking a serious shot at the champs.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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JSA wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Either team will get killed by the Warriors...


I keep hearing the talking heads on ESPN all saying the Bucks will take the Warriors without KD. Sorry, but, I just don't see it. I think they could take the Warriors to 6 games. Maybe even 7. But, man, the only way the Bucks take the Warriors is if everyone is on point and they have not more than a couple games with everyone on point during the entire playoffs. Bucks haven't won a playoff series in many years. They are about a year away from taking a serious shot at the champs.


That may be it underneath it all right now.
On a side note I saw the reception they made for Oscar Robertson, and didn't realize he is going to be 81 this year! looks pretty good for his age. Remember the comment he made (2016?) about Curry and the outcry afterwards. I think he had a point by saying that Curry shoot so well and easily because teams defense are not good today but otoh I see teams guarding Curry now far the basket as well. But to his point playing Curry physical is key.
I was too young to follow him but wasn't he the first the so called "all around player" before LeBron and others.
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Well, boys, it down to the best of 3. It's time to separate the wheat from the chaff, the men from the boys, the awkwardly feminine from the possibly Canadian.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Milwaukee has a better team and a better coach but Toronto is playing with heart. I thought GS v. Rockets would be the best series of the playoffs but it's this one, right here. Two small market teams with win-now attitude and fantastic bases of home support.
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Milwaukee has a better team and a better coach but Toronto is playing with heart. I thought GS v. Rockets would be the best series of the playoffs but it's this one, right here. Two small market teams with win-now attitude and fantastic bases of home support.

Toronto, Small market? Um... no. 4th largest city in North America and the owners have deep, deep pockets.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Two small market teams with win-now attitude and fantastic bases of home support.


I think you mean one small market team. Basketball isn't as remotely as popular as hockey so the base of fans isn't as big but Toronto is a big market for sports and I believe only New York, Los Angeles and Chicago have bigger markets in North America.
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Two small market teams with win-now attitude and fantastic bases of home support.


I think you mean one small market team. Basketball isn't as remotely as popular as hockey so the base of fans isn't as big but Toronto is a big market for sports and I believe only New York, Los Angeles and Chicago have bigger markets in North America.

  1. Mexico City
  2. New York
  3. LA
  4. Toronto
  5. Chicago


How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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BLeP wrote:
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Two small market teams with win-now attitude and fantastic bases of home support.


I think you mean one small market team. Basketball isn't as remotely as popular as hockey so the base of fans isn't as big but Toronto is a big market for sports and I believe only New York, Los Angeles and Chicago have bigger markets in North America.


  1. Mexico City
  2. New York
  3. LA
  4. Toronto
  5. Chicago


Did you adjust those numbers for the 75% value conversion? Isn't a Canadian 75% of an American?
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DJRed wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
Two small market teams with win-now attitude and fantastic bases of home support.


I think you mean one small market team. Basketball isn't as remotely as popular as hockey so the base of fans isn't as big but Toronto is a big market for sports and I believe only New York, Los Angeles and Chicago have bigger markets in North America.


  1. Mexico City
  2. New York
  3. LA
  4. Toronto
  5. Chicago


Did you adjust those numbers for the 75% value conversion? Isn't a Canadian 75% of an American?

Yeah, your heads are about 6 times the size of ours.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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But can our heads so conveniently split into 2 pieces?


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Like I said - SOB. Same old Bucks. <sigh>

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I am a Leafs fan. I feel it.

And I am still waiting for the Same ol’ Raptors to show up.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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He's a very talented but highly inconsistent player. He's had a few good games lately.

And who is Fred Venvleet
great numbers 7/13 and 7/9 (for 3 points)

one win in two games and you will have the luxury of playing the Warriors. And home court advantage!
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b4itwascold wrote:
BLeP wrote:
He's a very talented but highly inconsistent player. He's had a few good games lately.


And who is Fred Venvleet
great numbers 7/13 and 7/9 (for 3 points)

one win in two games and you will have the luxury of playing the Warriors. And home court advantage!

See: Powell; Norman.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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BLeP wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
BLeP wrote:
He's a very talented but highly inconsistent player. He's had a few good games lately.


And who is Fred Venvleet
great numbers 7/13 and 7/9 (for 3 points)

one win in two games and you will have the luxury of playing the Warriors. And home court advantage!


See: Powell; Norman.


you are a Raptors fan, but need to be a bigger believer in the team.
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I do believe in them. I firmly believe that Norm Powell, Fred VanVleet and Serg Ibaka are all highly talented yet highly inconsistent players. That's why they aren't starters.

This isn't negativity, this is reality.

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Well, their inconsistency does not necessarily reflects on why they are not in a starting role.
To Be Continued...
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Bucks clearly have a great team on paper... Top-tier superstar, excellent complementary roster pieces, good coaching, not just the best record in the league but one of the most statistically dominant seasons ever... and yet they have approximated zero playoff seasoning up to this point. There was that opening speed bump vs the Celts after getting lulled to sleep cruising past Detroit, but it proved to be merely a minor blip until now. Meanwhile, Raps are led by a former Finals MVP, have another guy (Green) w/ a ring and another Finals appearance, yet another guy (Ibaka) w/ Finals experience (after a shocking comeback from being down 0-2 to win 4 straight vs the same franchise as the first 2 guys on this list), and even Gasol has extensive playoff experience including being up 2-1 on the Warriors during their first championship run. They've simply shown more grit than the Bucks when it's counted the most.

If the Bucks manage to pull this series back out of the fire, then they'll have certainly earned those battle scars going forward to face GS and beyond (assuming they can keep this nucleus together in free agency, etc). But until then, those boys have yet to show enough hair on their nads to be worthy. Honestly as more of a GS fan (except when they play Portland), the Bucks are a scarier matchup if they do gain that level of grit in advancing from facing elimination now (especially if Kawhi continues to appear less than 100%, never mind that he's still dropping 30+ on a bum wheel), so for me it's less a question of talent/scheme than it is of mental fortitude at this point (plus of course health, particularly KD even though they obviously didn't miss him much vs Blazers). The Dubs have lived through it w/ the Finals comeback their first title year, suffering the Cleveland comeback the next year, and surviving the epic battles w/ Houston this year & last.

Either way, it's compelling theater. If it were the Rockets having made it out of the West, I'd definitely be rooting for the Bucks/Raptors winner the rest of the way.
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BLeP wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
Two small market teams with win-now attitude and fantastic bases of home support.


I think you mean one small market team. Basketball isn't as remotely as popular as hockey so the base of fans isn't as big but Toronto is a big market for sports and I believe only New York, Los Angeles and Chicago have bigger markets in North America.


  1. Mexico City
  2. New York
  3. LA
  4. Toronto
  5. Chicago

Ok, I demonstrated some regrettable ignorance on the size of the city. Allow me to amend the 'small-market' mistake with 'large city not high on the list of destinations for elite free-agent talent'. Everything else was a compliment. Deep pockets is neither unique nor necessarily an advantage.
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alltom1 wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
Two small market teams with win-now attitude and fantastic bases of home support.


I think you mean one small market team. Basketball isn't as remotely as popular as hockey so the base of fans isn't as big but Toronto is a big market for sports and I believe only New York, Los Angeles and Chicago have bigger markets in North America.


  1. Mexico City
  2. New York
  3. LA
  4. Toronto
  5. Chicago

Ok, I demonstrated some regrettable ignorance on the size of the city. Allow me to amend the 'small-market' mistake with 'large city not high on the list of destinations for elite free-agent talent'. Everything else was a compliment. Deep pockets is neither unique nor necessarily an advantage.

It’s ok it’s hard to know about sleepy towns like this all tucked away down there.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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alltom1 wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
Two small market teams with win-now attitude and fantastic bases of home support.


I think you mean one small market team. Basketball isn't as remotely as popular as hockey so the base of fans isn't as big but Toronto is a big market for sports and I believe only New York, Los Angeles and Chicago have bigger markets in North America.


  1. Mexico City
  2. New York
  3. LA
  4. Toronto
  5. Chicago


Ok, I demonstrated some regrettable ignorance on the size of the city. Allow me to amend the 'small-market' mistake with 'large city not high on the list of destinations for elite free-agent talent'. Everything else was a compliment. Deep pockets is neither unique nor necessarily an advantage.

Might prove to be painfully true for the Raptors. Rumors are LeBron met with both Leonard and Jim Butler.
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b4itwascold wrote:
alltom1 wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
Two small market teams with win-now attitude and fantastic bases of home support.


I think you mean one small market team. Basketball isn't as remotely as popular as hockey so the base of fans isn't as big but Toronto is a big market for sports and I believe only New York, Los Angeles and Chicago have bigger markets in North America.


  1. Mexico City
  2. New York
  3. LA
  4. Toronto
  5. Chicago


Ok, I demonstrated some regrettable ignorance on the size of the city. Allow me to amend the 'small-market' mistake with 'large city not high on the list of destinations for elite free-agent talent'. Everything else was a compliment. Deep pockets is neither unique nor necessarily an advantage.

Might prove to be painfully true for the Raptors. Rumors are LeBron met with both Leonard and Jim Butler.

Maybe,

Having said that, from what I’ve read nobody really knows what KL is thinking. He truly is a bit of a mystery. Would he want to play with Lebron? Honestly I don’t know, is he at the point where he is considered to be better than LB? Ie likely the best player in the NBA?

Would he want to share the spotlight? Or be willing to exchange a bit of the spotlight for more championships etc?

Maurice
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Two small market teams with win-now attitude and fantastic bases of home support.


I think you mean one small market team. Basketball isn't as remotely as popular as hockey so the base of fans isn't as big but Toronto is a big market for sports and I believe only New York, Los Angeles and Chicago have bigger markets in North America.


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Ok, I demonstrated some regrettable ignorance on the size of the city. Allow me to amend the 'small-market' mistake with 'large city not high on the list of destinations for elite free-agent talent'. Everything else was a compliment. Deep pockets is neither unique nor necessarily an advantage.


Might prove to be painfully true for the Raptors. Rumors are LeBron met with both Leonard and Jim Butler.


Maybe,

Having said that, from what I’ve read nobody really knows what KL is thinking. He truly is a bit of a mystery. Would he want to play with Lebron? Honestly I don’t know, is he at the point where he is considered to be better than LB? Ie likely the best player in the NBA?

Would he want to share the spotlight? Or be willing to exchange a bit of the spotlight for more championships etc?

Maurice

I agree that he is a unique individual and takes his time on and off the court. LB is working the league, as there are a lot of great players in free agency situation. I also think he is better than LB now and it wouldn't be smart for him to go to the Lakers. But who knows, maybe the Clippers.
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Ok, I demonstrated some regrettable ignorance on the size of the city. Allow me to amend the 'small-market' mistake with 'large city not high on the list of destinations for elite free-agent talent'.


Toronto and the surrounding area is definitely a large market in terms of population but in reference to the popularity of basketball, you are probably right. It's a massive market for hockey. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds and if you look at recent NBA drafts, Canadians are certainly making their mark but unlike the Maple Leafs, the Raptors and to a lesser extent the Blue Jays have to have winning teams or the fans just aren't that interested.


It's not like the NFL in the U.S whose teams seem to draw fans no matter what (similar to the Leafs). Basketball is growing in terms of interest but I would put Toronto as a small market in terms of fan interest.
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Ok, I demonstrated some regrettable ignorance on the size of the city. Allow me to amend the 'small-market' mistake with 'large city not high on the list of destinations for elite free-agent talent'.


Toronto and the surrounding area is definitely a large market in terms of population but in reference to the popularity of basketball, you are probably right. It's a massive market for hockey. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds and if you look at recent NBA drafts, Canadians are certainly making their mark but unlike the Maple Leafs, the Raptors and to a lesser extent the Blue Jays have to have winning teams or the fans just aren't that interested.

It's not like the NFL in the U.S whose teams seem to draw fans no matter what (similar to the Leafs). Basketball is growing in terms of interest but I would put Toronto as a small market in terms of fan interest.


hypothetically, if they win the NBA championship, do you think that it grow their fan base drastically? I am not sure.
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Sanuk wrote:
Ok, I demonstrated some regrettable ignorance on the size of the city. Allow me to amend the 'small-market' mistake with 'large city not high on the list of destinations for elite free-agent talent'.


Toronto and the surrounding area is definitely a large market in terms of population but in reference to the popularity of basketball, you are probably right. It's a massive market for hockey. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds and if you look at recent NBA drafts, Canadians are certainly making their mark but unlike the Maple Leafs, the Raptors and to a lesser extent the Blue Jays have to have winning teams or the fans just aren't that interested.

It's not like the NFL in the U.S whose teams seem to draw fans no matter what (similar to the Leafs). Basketball is growing in terms of interest but I would put Toronto as a small market in terms of fan interest.


hypothetically, if they win the NBA championship, do you think that it grow their fan base drastically? I am not sure.

From what I’ve been reading, US viewership for these playoffs has been down18% due to the lebron factor. In Canada it is up 40% Almost to the point where for this game you will have close to equal numbers from US and Canada....comments are at about 4mil for each country. Which is shitty for the US but unheard of for basketball in Canada.

Maurice
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I'm willing to bet it's the Drake factor. Get that fucking clown off the court and off my TV screen.

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I'm willing to bet it's the Drake factor. Get that fucking clown off the court and off my TV screen.



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Ok, I demonstrated some regrettable ignorance on the size of the city. Allow me to amend the 'small-market' mistake with 'large city not high on the list of destinations for elite free-agent talent'.


Toronto and the surrounding area is definitely a large market in terms of population but in reference to the popularity of basketball, you are probably right. It's a massive market for hockey. Basketball has grown leaps and bounds and if you look at recent NBA drafts, Canadians are certainly making their mark but unlike the Maple Leafs, the Raptors and to a lesser extent the Blue Jays have to have winning teams or the fans just aren't that interested.


It's not like the NFL in the U.S whose teams seem to draw fans no matter what (similar to the Leafs). Basketball is growing in terms of interest but I would put Toronto as a small market in terms of fan interest.

I think that the Raps are closer to the Jays in support here than you think. The Raptors have always sold out even when they sucked.

Yes, the Leafs own this town but the Raptors are pretty popular too. Winning helps, obviously.

Anyway, if all teams are winning I'd say its still Leafs, Jays, Raptors in that order for fan support. But it's getting closer by the day for 2nd place.

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we the north!
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hypothetically, if they win the NBA championship, do you think that it grow their fan base drastically? I am not sure.


It would certainly grow their base now and in the near future but like many sports, it's what you did lately that counts. In hockey, there has been a sell out of tickets every year since the Leafs last won the cup a lifetime ago. n the U.S., NFL stadiums will sell out even if the teams don't win.


That wouldn't happen in basketball or baseball here. I'm a perfect example. I kind of follow the Raptors on the sports pages but may have watched 5 minutes of them on t.v and never been to a game. They've had a good team for a number of years now but the interest is going up because they are winning but they just won't keep the fans if they start losing again.
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hypothetically, if they win the NBA championship, do you think that it grow their fan base drastically? I am not sure.


It would certainly grow their base now and in the near future but like many sports, it's what you did lately that counts. In hockey, there has been a sell out of tickets every year since the Leafs last won the cup a lifetime ago. n the U.S., NFL stadiums will sell out even if the teams don't win.

That wouldn't happen in basketball or baseball here. I'm a perfect example. I kind of follow the Raptors on the sports pages but may have watched 5 minutes of them on t.v and never been to a game. They've had a good team for a number of years now but the interest is going up because they are winning but they just won't keep the fans if they start losing again.

But as BLeP said "the Raptors have always sold out even when they sucked". Which I tend to believe is true. I think they have a fantastic fan base and if they win it may grow but not drastically, imo. In a twisted way kind of like the Knicks, they sick for years now but always sell out the Garden.


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Two things:

1. The Raps are favoured to win (57%-43%) by the FiveThirtyEight.com statistical model. The same model that has been eerily accurate about the Raps-Bucks, and just about every series.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ions/?ex_cid=rrpromo


2. A win would do two things for the raptors base: a) solidify a huge casual base in Canada. A win will convert some of these folks to dedicated fans, Canada has 33 million people and only one NBA team - that's a potentially big fan base. California has a similar population but splits it across 4 teams.
b) Expand the international fan-base. Tons of NBA jerseys are sold in Europe, Asia, Africa and middle-east. Usually they are for the 'big name teams' - LA Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Knicks... but the Raps should grab a bit of that market particularly with the international roster they have.

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As I said earlier the Raps have a pretty big fan base here and they are passionate.

For me (and probably many others) they are definitely #3 in the city.

I was watching game 6 and while I enjoyed it. I wasn't nearly as excited as I would be if it was the Jays or the Leafs going to the finals.

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(I'm on the west coast of BC)...

Went to Jersey City yesterday and there was very little Raptors merchandise left, and in the few mins I was there the employees answered several phone calls about the availability of certain Raptors items.

Folks are jumping on the bandwagon en mass, but I don't doubt that the majority will be off in a flash if the Raps lose in the finals.
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Sanuk wrote:
hypothetically, if they win the NBA championship, do you think that it grow their fan base drastically? I am not sure.

It would certainly grow their base now and in the near future but like many sports, it's what you did lately that counts. In hockey, there has been a sell out of tickets every year since the Leafs last won the cup a lifetime ago. n the U.S., NFL stadiums will sell out even if the teams don't win.

That wouldn't happen in basketball or baseball here. I'm a perfect example. I kind of follow the Raptors on the sports pages but may have watched 5 minutes of them on t.v and never been to a game. They've had a good team for a number of years now but the interest is going up because they are winning but they just won't keep the fans if they start losing again.


But as BLeP said "the Raptors have always sold out even when they sucked". Which I tend to believe is true. I think they have a fantastic fan base and if they win it may grow but not drastically, imo. In a twisted way kind of like the Knicks, they sick for years now but always sell out the Garden.

That's one of the things that was/is also true of GS... Warriors stunk for years but still sold out Oracle consistently. My uncle was one of the season-ticket holders back then, only once they started winning and raising prices he couldn't afford to keep them. It's only gonna get worse when they move across the bay to SF next year ~ more suites and sellouts w/ lots of people who won't actually show up every game, while fewer long-time/hard-core fans can afford to go.
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Adam Silver sounds like he couldn't be happier to have the Finals in Canada. He's huge on the global market thing and sees this as a huge win for the League.

He also had a talking-to with Drake. Told him to cool it this round or the League would take action.

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Let’s pretend for a second that the Raptors won. I think that outside of the US they might become a very popular team. Mostly because the rest of the world hates the US.

I don’t know if it’s huge for the league maybe. But it’s definitely huge for the Raptors.

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Let’s pretend for a second that the Raptors won. I think that outside of the US they might become a very popular team. Mostly because the rest of the world hates the US.

I don’t know if it’s huge for the league maybe. But it’s definitely huge for the Raptors.

LOL! I don't think it works that way! The NBA is still a "US entity." NBA teams are popular oversees because of their players. For example, the Bucks are HUGE in Greece. Remember those hundreds of thousands of Chinese fans wearing Rockets jerseys? Yao Ming.

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YUUUUUUUGE!

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Wow. Those Canadians are playing some mean ball. Who knew Canadians were so talented at this sport. I can see how other countries will love these Canadian players more so than the US players.

I wonder how many of them speak French?
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Wow. Those Canadians are playing some mean ball. Who knew Canadians were so talented at this sport. I can see how other countries will love these Canadian players more so than the US players.

I wonder how many of them speak French?

Siakam’s first language is French, he’s from the Congo but immigrated/played school in the US.

Maurice
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Same with Yi Jianlin
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Wow. Those Canadians are playing some mean ball. Who knew Canadians were so talented at this sport.


Canada has a growing pool of talent in basketball. I think it's similar to Americans in hockey, lots of excellent NHL players just not the same depth as Canada. In basketball, you only have to look at the recent NBA drafts and the College players to see a growing presence of Canadians.

I can see how other countries will love these Canadian players more so than the US players.


Yeah, I can see that too...


I wonder how many of them speak French?


I'm Canadian and like the vast majority don't speak French so they will feel right at home.
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One down, 3 to go! Your Raps looked damn good last night!

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One down, 3 to go! Your Raps looked damn good last night!

I agree. D was awesome. Siakam was ridiculous; however they can't count on Siakam hitting 90% of his shots every night.

Curry... while he is really good at recognizing potential foul situations and putting himself in a position to draw the foul.... my God, he gets every fucking call. There is no way that VanVleet would get those calls.

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Agreed. That D! Some of the best defense I can recall.

Role players went off last night. You cannot count on that for every game. But that defense is going to travel! Going to be a hell of a series.

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Agreed. That D! Some of the best defense I can recall.

Role players went off last night. You cannot count on that for every game. But that defense is going to travel! Going to be a hell of a series.

While you cant count on it every game, different role players rose to the occasion in different games. I am sure KL will be more of a factor going fwd. and Lowery needs to score more, since Gasol and Siakam most likely will not score as much every game.
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Is there any way we can get rid of Drake?

Maybe a package deal, with Drake and Bieber for a future draft pick?
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Agreed. That D! Some of the best defense I can recall.

Role players went off last night. You cannot count on that for every game. But that defense is going to travel! Going to be a hell of a series.


While you cant count on it every game, different role players rose to the occasion in different games. I am sure KL will be more of a factor going fwd. and Lowery needs to score more, since Gasol and Siakam most likely will not score as much every game.

Having watched what the Raps did to my Bucks, I certainly will not argue with you on that point! I simply meant to say last night was not a "fluke" due to role players going off. The core of this team - its D - is going to hold up on the road.

In the last series, twice the Warriors were down by 17 and ended up winning the game. They can go on insane runs. But, the Raps may be the one team that can prevent those kinds of runs.

Last night's game was reminiscent of games 4 and 5 against the Bucks. The Raps kept getting up by 7-8, then the Warriors would come back only to be stopped short, then the Raps would hit a couple 3s and be up by 7-8 again. It was impressive.

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//Is there any way we can get rid of Drake?
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Hey, my post was in jest...no need to have me rubbed out! (Oh wait, you probably didn’t know that was my name?)
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Agreed. That D! Some of the best defense I can recall.

Role players went off last night. You cannot count on that for every game. But that defense is going to travel! Going to be a hell of a series.


While you cant count on it every game, different role players rose to the occasion in different games. I am sure KL will be more of a factor going fwd. and Lowery needs to score more, since Gasol and Siakam most likely will not score as much every game.


Having watched what the Raps did to my Bucks, I certainly will not argue with you on that point! I simply meant to say last night was not a "fluke" due to role players going off. The core of this team - its D - is going to hold up on the road.

In the last series, twice the Warriors were down by 17 and ended up winning the game. They can go on insane runs. But, the Raps may be the one team that can prevent those kinds of runs.

Last night's game was reminiscent of games 4 and 5 against the Bucks. The Raps kept getting up by 7-8, then the Warriors would come back only to be stopped short, then the Raps would hit a couple 3s and be up by 7-8 again. It was impressive.

It sure was. Considering the Warriors didn't play bad, it was just The Raptors being better on D making it harder. And if they had turned the ball less times could be a small blowout.
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Would the Raptors be considered "lucky" if they won the title? Just thinking of all the GSW injuries.
Don't get me wrong, the Raptors are obviously a great team. They basically took Milwaukee behind the woodshed last series.


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I'd say no.

It's not their fault, maybe the Warriors got lazy on their stretching and recovery, leading to injuries. It could be them going to the post season year after year, wearing on the body. You want to win three straight back to back championships, I guess they need to prepare better for it.
The Warriors are a team, if their bench can't step up they deserve the loss.
I still don't think this series is over by any means.
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planetsbr wrote:
Would the Raptors be considered "lucky" if they won the title? Just thinking of all the GSW injuries.
Don't get me wrong, the Raptors are obviously a great team. They basically took Milwaukee behind the woodshed last series.

You generally need two things to win. You need luck. That includes avoiding injuries, bounces, other team getting injured. But you also need talent to take advantage of your luck.

Would they be lucky? Sure. But they are also a damned good team and have the talent to punish a depleted Warriors roster.

If they win they will have nothing to apologize for.

Shit happens and so far it's mostly happening to GSW.

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Would the Raptors be considered "lucky" if they won the title? Just thinking of all the GSW injuries.
Don't get me wrong, the Raptors are obviously a great team. They basically took Milwaukee behind the woodshed last series.
Only if they'd won 4-3 with all home wins.

Now that they've won a road game, not lucky at all.
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The Raptors won more regular season games than GSW. And they did it in an Eastern Conference that is now as strong (if not stronger) than the West.

The only reason some people are 'surprised' that the Raptors are beating GSW is that Toronto does not have the long history and legacy of some clubs, and its seen as a 'foreign' club (Even if its players are mostly American).

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After last night win, I would say its not luck at all. They kept going back at the Warriors not letting them cut their lead too much. They are mentally strong. If the points distribution they had last night continues, they have a good chance. You want your leader to lead in scoring, its more sustainable. And KL finally found some rhythm in his game, mostly in the forth qtr.
That said if both teams have all their guys and play their best basketball, the Warriors are a better team.
Its a great series and I suspect Kerr will have KD in the mix soon.
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After last night win, I would say its not luck at all. They kept going back at the Warriors not letting them cut their lead too much. They are mentally strong. If the points distribution they had last night continues, they have a good chance. You want your leader to lead in scoring, its more sustainable. And KL finally found some rhythm in his game, mostly in the forth qtr.
That said if both teams have all their guys and play their best basketball, the Warriors are a better team.
Its a great series and I suspect Kerr will have KD in the mix soon.


KD isn’t going to play.

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is that confirmed or an opinion?
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is that confirmed or an opinion?

Opinion. His calf is fucked up. Probably not a full Achilles tear but a strained calf doesn't keep you out this long.

He hasn't practiced yet. He's out for game 4 for certain.

He isn't playing.

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After last night win, I would say its not luck at all. They kept going back at the Warriors not letting them cut their lead too much. They are mentally strong. If the points distribution they had last night continues, they have a good chance. You want your leader to lead in scoring, its more sustainable. And KL finally found some rhythm in his game, mostly in the forth qtr.
That said if both teams have all their guys and play their best basketball, the Warriors are a better team.
Its a great series and I suspect Kerr will have KD in the mix soon.

True dat, key buckets to stop GSW runs. And I'd rather have all starters score at least 17 and win, than 1 player score 47 and lose.


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The Raptors won more regular season games than GSW. And they did it in an Eastern Conference that is now as strong (if not stronger) than the West.

The only reason some people are 'surprised' that the Raptors are beating GSW is that Toronto does not have the long history and legacy of some clubs, and its seen as a 'foreign' club (Even if its players are mostly American).

I lost a few "bucks" on the ECF. Agree on the East, picked Milwaukee to make and win the finals.


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I'd say no.

It's not their fault, maybe the Warriors got lazy on their stretching and recovery, leading to injuries. It could be them going to the post season year after year, wearing on the body. You want to win three straight back to back championships, I guess they need to prepare better for it.
The Warriors are a team, if their bench can't step up they deserve the loss.
I still don't think this series is over by any means.

I'd have to think your username makes you an authority on this subject!
;-)


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I still don't think this series is over by any means.

The series is exactly on par - 2 home games for TOR, 1 for GSW.

If Toronto steals the next one though... GSW will be in trouble.

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I still don't think this series is over by any means.


The series is exactly on par - 2 home games for TOR, 1 for GSW.

If Toronto steals the next one though... GSW will be in trouble.

GSW are already in big trouble. Even if KD and Mamma called him Clay come back, they won't be anywhere near 100%.

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lots of talk today about this incident, apparently the men in the blue shirt is a part owner (?) of the Warriors.. Minority investor that is, and there are a lot of them, so he is not a high profile of any sort..

http://www.msn.com/...r-AACuGEb?ocid=ientp

court side seats could be dangerous..



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Not traditionally an NBA guy, but this is a fun league to follow. Lots of scoring, awesome athleticism, superstar personalities, courtside antics all around, and the player movement - SOMETHING is usually in the news to keep things interesting .


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Not traditionally an NBA guy, but this is a fun league to follow. Lots of scoring, awesome athleticism, superstar personalities, courtside antics all around, and the player movement - SOMETHING is usually in the news to keep things interesting .

I think this series has its own story of this. It could end up not good one day. I don't think the league is taking it seriously enough for the reasons you mentioned above which is basically ratings and money.
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planetsbr wrote:
Not traditionally an NBA guy, but this is a fun league to follow. Lots of scoring, awesome athleticism, superstar personalities, courtside antics all around, and the player movement - SOMETHING is usually in the news to keep things interesting .


I think this series has its own story of this. It could end up not good one day. I don't think the league is taking it seriously enough for the reasons you mentioned above which is basically ratings and money.

I hear you. I remember the Monica Seles stabbing. She was winning tennis majors, and was stabbed by a crazed Steffi Graf fan. And this was not even courtside.




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The Raptors won more regular season games than GSW. And they did it in an Eastern Conference that is now as strong (if not stronger) than the West.

The only reason some people are 'surprised' that the Raptors are beating GSW is that Toronto does not have the long history and legacy of some clubs, and its seen as a 'foreign' club (Even if its players are mostly American).

I'm gonna dispute that. They did win 1 more game, but if you look all the way up & down the standings, while Bucks had the best record and statistical profile, there were also more bad teams in the East still. Only PHX won fewer than 33 games in the West, while 5 teams fell below that line in the East. And the cut line for making the playoffs in the West was 48 vs only 41 wins in the East. I couldn't find the aggregate head-to-head record between conferences easily, but a quick search showed that the West had clinched a winning record vs the East w/ something like 37 games left in the season.

Taking that into account, the effect is compounded by the fact you play more games vs the teams in your own conference vs only 2 from the opposing conf, so those added games makes the West's avg SoS higher still. The gap was certainly a lot less than recent years, but there were still more 'easy' nights for the top teams in the East.
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The Raptors won more regular season games than GSW. And they did it in an Eastern Conference that is now as strong (if not stronger) than the West.

The only reason some people are 'surprised' that the Raptors are beating GSW is that Toronto does not have the long history and legacy of some clubs, and its seen as a 'foreign' club (Even if its players are mostly American).


I'm gonna dispute that. They did win 1 more game, but if you look all the way up & down the standings, while Bucks had the best record and statistical profile, there were also more bad teams in the East still. Only PHX won fewer than 33 games in the West, while 5 teams fell below that line in the East. And the cut line for making the playoffs in the West was 48 vs only 41 wins in the East. I couldn't find the aggregate head-to-head record between conferences easily, but a quick search showed that the West had clinched a winning record vs the East w/ something like 37 games left in the season.

Taking that into account, the effect is compounded by the fact you play more games vs the teams in your own conference vs only 2 from the opposing conf, so those added games makes the West's avg SoS higher still. The gap was certainly a lot less than recent years, but there were still more 'easy' nights for the top teams in the East.

Good info. I looked at the regular season standings and in general you are right. The 8 West playoff teams had excellent records against the East. Not so much the other way around - except for the Raptors who had the best record (22-8) against the West, even with Kawhi load management. Bucks and Sixers had the 2nd best record (20-10) against the West.

I should check out previous years, and see if this is a good predictor of the East team in Finals.


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The last chant in Oracle Arena history is gonna be " Lets Go Raptors"!!!!
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Klay looked great in the first half. By the 4th quarter you could tell his legs were going. And he looked like a shooter with no legs would look like.

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so we can all finally agree that the Warriors less KD is not the best team in the NBA anymore.
I could only say WOW last night.
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y_nigel wrote:
The last chant in Oracle Arena history is gonna be " Lets Go Raptors"!!!!

why the hell isn't Steve Nash part of any of the cometary groups this series in particular? He was commenting on all the Champions League games being a big soccer fan (and his father), but as the best ever Canadian basketball player shouldn't he be there?
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I thought that this was interesting:

2013:
Kawhi v LeBron
2014:
Kawhi v LeBron
2015:
LeBron v Curry
2016:
LeBron v Curry
2017:
LeBron v Curry
2018:
LeBron v Curry
2019:
Curry v Kawhi

Basically if you don’t have Curry, Kawhi or LeBron on your team you have no hope of winning.

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yea, I will put it in that order: LeBron, Kawhi, Curry
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yea, I will put it in that order: LeBron, Kawhi, Curry

Based on the "new" NBA premium on defence, it might be Kawhi, Curry, Lebron.

This year Lebron is not in the top 50 in defensive rating.


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The last chant in Oracle Arena history is gonna be " Lets Go Raptors"!!!!


why the hell isn't Steve Nash part of any of the cometary groups this series in particular? He was commenting on all the Champions League games being a big soccer fan (and his father), but as the best ever Canadian basketball player shouldn't he be there?

Its pro sports. Not the national team at World Championships.

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yea, I will put it in that order: LeBron, Kawhi, Curry


Based on the "new" NBA premium on defence, it might be Kawhi, Curry, Lebron.

This year Lebron is not in the top 50 in defensive rating.

I was going on most important (like MVP) to the team. But I am rethinking LeBron, either way, so agree on KL.
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ok, keep him out of it than. Apparently he works for the Warriors as a Player Development Consultant..
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b4itwascold wrote:
y_nigel wrote:
The last chant in Oracle Arena history is gonna be " Lets Go Raptors"!!!!


why the hell isn't Steve Nash part of any of the cometary groups this series in particular? He was commenting on all the Champions League games being a big soccer fan (and his father), but as the best ever Canadian basketball player shouldn't he be there?


Its pro sports. Not the national team at World Championships.

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KD. Obviously shouldn’t have been playing. Reinjured his calf. We won’t see him again this year.

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I have never watched pro basketball before this finals series. I must say I am impressed. The college game has way too many fouls called compared to the pros. The pro game is more entertaining for this reason IMHO> They have even called some offensive fouls. Toronto has to start hitting some threes if they want to win tonight.

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yes, 5 minutes left but they seems not to have the focus tonight, missing 3's. Still can do it but its hard to close a series like this. \\KL IS ON FIRE.
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KD. Obviously shouldn’t have been playing. Reinjured his calf. We won’t see him again this year.

WOOHOO!!!!!!!
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yes, 5 minutes left but they seems not to have the focus tonight, missing 3's. Still can do it but its hard to close a series like this. \\KL IS ON FIRE.

KL was tired. Drake needs to manage his minutes better.
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What a shitful crowd the Raptors fans were last night when KD went down. It emboldened the rest of the Warriors to play hard and take the game back to Oakland. Toronto may have missed their chance last night.
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What a shitful crowd the Raptors fans were last night when KD went down. It emboldened the rest of the Warriors to play hard and take the game back to Oakland. Toronto may have missed their chance last night.


You mean the crowd that was chanting K-D and cheering him as he was walked off the court?

The crowd cheered when he went down and Ibaka got a turnover for a fast break, sure some jackasses cheered the injury but when they realized that he was seriously injured the place went silent and then they cheered him as he left.

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What a shitful crowd the Raptors fans were last night when KD went down.


I must have watched a different game...

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What a shitful crowd the Raptors fans were last night when KD went down.


I must have watched a different game...

There were some idiots who cheered. There always are.

But they were drowned out by the fans chanting K-D as he left the court.

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What a shitful crowd the Raptors fans were last night when KD went down.


I must have watched a different game...

I have no dog in this fight and removing you and BLeP’s Canadian bias....

The crowd cheered Durant going down. I like how you’re trying to spin it but it is what it is.

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What a shitful crowd the Raptors fans were last night when KD went down.


I must have watched a different game...


I have no dog in this fight and removing you and BLeP’s Canadian bias....

The crowd cheered Durant going down. I like how you’re trying to spin it but it is what it is.

Feel free to watch any of the videos from this page: https://nypost.com/...-durant-its-bulls-t/

I am not trying to spin it.

Some people cheered the injury. 100%. Some people were cheering because Ibaka went on a fast break and drew a foul.

When Durant was walking off the court the crowd was chanting K-D.

So the classless idiots were drowned out by the majority of the crowd.

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Durant, who went down during the second quarter, was helped up by teammates as fans inside Scotiabank Arena cheered. Both Warriors and Raptors players managed to dispel the noise, which then turned into vocal support of “KD.”

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KD. Obviously shouldn’t have been playing. Reinjured his calf. We won’t see him again this year.

Well, I'm pretty sure last night confirmed what many suspected - that wasn't a "calf injury." Having torn one Achilles and strained the other, many others, I suspected this was an Achilles injury, not a calf injury. Last night confirmed that. It may have only be strained, but, it's a full blown tear now. I think the MRI later today will confirm that.

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KD. Obviously shouldn’t have been playing. Reinjured his calf. We won’t see him again this year.


Well, I'm pretty sure last night confirmed what many suspected - that wasn't a "calf injury." Having torn one Achilles and strained the other, many others, I suspected this was an Achilles injury, not a calf injury. Last night confirmed that. It may have only be strained, but, it's a full blown tear now. I think the MRI later today will confirm that.

Yup. I can't believe that he was cleared to play. Ridiculous.

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Yes. Some fans were cheering. Some people are just jerks and some obviously didn't realize how hurt he was.

When he was getting helped off the court the vast majority were cheering and you could hear a K-D chant.

You want to be outraged. I get that. Everyone wants to be outraged about something these days.

Be outraged that Golden State and their team doctors put the team ahead of KDs health and allowed him to play. He never should have been on that court.

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KD. Obviously shouldn’t have been playing. Reinjured his calf. We won’t see him again this year.

Well, I'm pretty sure last night confirmed what many suspected - that wasn't a "calf injury." Having torn one Achilles and strained the other, many others, I suspected this was an Achilles injury, not a calf injury. Last night confirmed that. It may have only be strained, but, it's a full blown tear now. I think the MRI later today will confirm that.

Guy in the office in currently rehabbing a partially torn Achilles (non surgical), and he said that KD’s reaction was virtually indentical to what he experienced.

I thought Mike Golic was pretty funny when they were talking about KD practicing. He said he was seen icing his calf or perhaps something lower after practice.

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KD. Obviously shouldn’t have been playing. Reinjured his calf. We won’t see him again this year.


Well, I'm pretty sure last night confirmed what many suspected - that wasn't a "calf injury." Having torn one Achilles and strained the other, many others, I suspected this was an Achilles injury, not a calf injury. Last night confirmed that. It may have only be strained, but, it's a full blown tear now. I think the MRI later today will confirm that.


Yup. I can't believe that he was cleared to play. Ridiculous.

You mean that teams put themselves ahead of the athletes? Monsters...

Well, it is the championship series so if there's a hint that KD can play he will play. Athletes play hurt all the time, especially this time of year. Look at hockey right now, how many walking wounded are playing in that series? Look up Kirk Gibson.
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BLeP wrote:
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BLeP wrote:
KD. Obviously shouldn’t have been playing. Reinjured his calf. We won’t see him again this year.


Well, I'm pretty sure last night confirmed what many suspected - that wasn't a "calf injury." Having torn one Achilles and strained the other, many others, I suspected this was an Achilles injury, not a calf injury. Last night confirmed that. It may have only be strained, but, it's a full blown tear now. I think the MRI later today will confirm that.


Yup. I can't believe that he was cleared to play. Ridiculous.


You mean that teams put themselves ahead of the athletes? Monsters...

Well, it is the championship series so if there's a hint that KD can play he will play. Athletes play hurt all the time, especially this time of year. Look at hockey right now, how many walking wounded are playing in that series? Look up Kirk Gibson.

There are injuries that you can play through and it's just pain management. Then there are injuries like KDs.

Now, we don't know what his injury was because GSW were very hush hush about it but all the rumours were that it was a partially torn Achilles and not a "calf strain". What player has ever been sidelined by a "calf strain" for a month. Nobody.

If it was a partially torn achilles, it's fully torn now.

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Yes. Some fans were cheering. Some people are just jerks and some obviously didn't realize how hurt he was.

When he was getting helped off the court the vast majority were cheering and you could hear a K-D chant.

You want to be outraged. I get that. Everyone wants to be outraged about something these days.

Be outraged that Golden State and their team doctors put the team ahead of KDs health and allowed him to play. He never should have been on that court.

I'm not outraged. There were a significant amount of fans cheering when he was limping. The K-D chant was a chant of guilt. And the douche with the front row seat waving bye-bye when he went down? Maybe its just the decades of Maple Leaf suckness that has built up so much tension in people they can't control themselves
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BLeP wrote:
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BLeP wrote:
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KD. Obviously shouldn’t have been playing. Reinjured his calf. We won’t see him again this year.


Well, I'm pretty sure last night confirmed what many suspected - that wasn't a "calf injury." Having torn one Achilles and strained the other, many others, I suspected this was an Achilles injury, not a calf injury. Last night confirmed that. It may have only be strained, but, it's a full blown tear now. I think the MRI later today will confirm that.


Yup. I can't believe that he was cleared to play. Ridiculous.


You mean that teams put themselves ahead of the athletes? Monsters...

Well, it is the championship series so if there's a hint that KD can play he will play. Athletes play hurt all the time, especially this time of year. Look at hockey right now, how many walking wounded are playing in that series? Look up Kirk Gibson.

There are injuries that you can play through and it's just pain management. Then there are injuries like KDs.

Now, we don't know what his injury was because GSW were very hush hush about it but all the rumours were that it was a partially torn Achilles and not a "calf strain". What player has ever been sidelined by a "calf strain" for a month. Nobody.

If it was a partially torn achilles, it's fully torn now.

Exactly. There is a difference between "tired, sore, and beat up" and "injured". One you can play through even though it might be painful. The other you can't. It's irresponsible to put an injured player on the floor.

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BLeP wrote:
JSA wrote:
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KD. Obviously shouldn’t have been playing. Reinjured his calf. We won’t see him again this year.


Well, I'm pretty sure last night confirmed what many suspected - that wasn't a "calf injury." Having torn one Achilles and strained the other, many others, I suspected this was an Achilles injury, not a calf injury. Last night confirmed that. It may have only be strained, but, it's a full blown tear now. I think the MRI later today will confirm that.


Yup. I can't believe that he was cleared to play. Ridiculous.


You mean that teams put themselves ahead of the athletes? Monsters...

Well, it is the championship series so if there's a hint that KD can play he will play. Athletes play hurt all the time, especially this time of year. Look at hockey right now, how many walking wounded are playing in that series? Look up Kirk Gibson.


There are injuries that you can play through and it's just pain management. Then there are injuries like KDs.

Now, we don't know what his injury was because GSW were very hush hush about it but all the rumours were that it was a partially torn Achilles and not a "calf strain". What player has ever been sidelined by a "calf strain" for a month. Nobody.

If it was a partially torn achilles, it's fully torn now.

He was cleared by the team to play. One can argue whether or not it was in the best interest of the team or KD, but I think we all know the answer there.

In a brief back-and-forth with reporters, Myers acknowledged the outside noise about the severity of Durant’s injury. Golden State bungled the original diagnosis, officially a calf strain, while allowing the initial reporting that it was “mild” to just hang out there. On Monday, Kerr admitted he was initially informed that Durant’s recovery time could be measured in months, not weeks.
That ambiguity created frustration, with sources purportedly close to the Warriors venting to different outlets. The Athletic reported Durant’s continued absence caused “a mixture of confusion and angst” amongst several of Durant’s teammates, reporting that Myers pointedly addressed.
“Kevin Durant wants to play basketball,” Myers said. “The people that questioned whether he wanted to get back to this team were wrong.”
Perhaps, but did the outside noise influence the Warriors' decision to allow Durant to play? Celebrini and the medical staff made the call, but did the public flogging Durant was taking make it tougher to hold him out? Myers insisted the initial diagnosis was a calf injury, with nothing to do with the Achilles but admitted “I don’t know how those are related or not.”

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He was cleared by the team to play. One can argue whether or not it was in the best interest of the team or KD, but I think we all know the answer there.

Given that we now know that his injury got a whole lot worse it was absolutely not in his best interest to play.

That's on the Doctors. They need to make an informed decision on whether or not the injury can get worse by playing on it.

Plain and simple, they blew it.

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yes, 5 minutes left but they seems not to have the focus tonight, missing 3's. Still can do it but its hard to close a series like this. \\KL IS ON FIRE.


KL was tired. Drake needs to manage his minutes better.



Drake manages his game per Draymond Green...

Speaking of, Raptors should go after him next game. He has 6 technical, one more and he will be suspended for one game I think. He will do a stupid thing.
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What a shitful crowd the Raptors fans were last night when KD went down. It emboldened the rest of the Warriors to play hard and take the game back to Oakland. Toronto may have missed their chance last night.

Well, that how fans behave at national championships games... don't believe if someone tells you its pro sport. I still go with the Raptors in 7.
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GS may steal a game in Oakland but it's hard to see them run the table.
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What a shitful crowd the Raptors fans were last night when KD went down.


I must have watched a different game...


I have no dog in this fight and removing you and BLeP’s Canadian bias....

The crowd cheered Durant going down. I like how you’re trying to spin it but it is what it is.

Feel free to watch any of the videos from this page: https://nypost.com/...-durant-its-bulls-t/


I am not trying to spin it.

Some people cheered the injury. 100%. Some people were cheering because Ibaka went on a fast break and drew a foul.

When Durant was walking off the court the crowd was chanting K-D.

So the classless idiots were drowned out by the majority of the crowd.

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Durant, who went down during the second quarter, was helped up by teammates as fans inside Scotiabank Arena cheered. Both Warriors and Raptors players managed to dispel the noise, which then turned into vocal support of “KD.”

Bullshit. Most/many (not all but most/many) of the crowd cheered KD being hurt and not Ibaka's play. The cheers for him being hurt happened after Ibaka's play, when play was stopped, and after KD was helped up and was visibly hurt and limping.

Then they got guilt shamed into supporting him.

It was an overall classless thing for an otherwise normally pleasant bunch of Canadians.

Now it wasn't Philadelphia Eagles fan level of classless and asshole-ish behavior, as they probably hold the top-25 spots of all-time classless fan behavior in sports history.

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Feels to me like Raps best shot is to close it out on the road... If it gets to a G7, then all the pressure reverts back from GS facing elimination (and closing Oracle w/ 3 straight losses) to the Raps potentially blowing the huge lead in the series. That, and the general butt-clenching nature of G7s typically results in low-scoring rock fights more often than not ~ which in this series has tended to work in the Dubs' favor since they've been short on firepower besides Curry & (except for G4) Klay. The 2 highest outputs on offense and the 3 largest victory margins have all gone to the Raps. Weird to think that the Dubs might be better off in a scrum than a shootout after their recent history of scoring prowess during the Kerr era, but here we are.
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GS may steal a game in Oakland but it's hard to see them run the table.

I think Warriors may still ride the current wave and win ?(or not). By next Sunday, when the KD dust settled down, Raptors has a good chance at home. While you never count down the current champions who have been there before, I will go with the Raps.
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Curry continues to struggle in the finals (compared to how dominant he is in the regular season and early playoff series). Can’t help but think Klay would’ve nailed that shot, he was having a great game. Sucks that he got injured

That being said, good for Toronto/Canada for winning their first championship after making the bold move to trade for Kawhi on an expiring contract.

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Curry continues to struggle in the finals (compared to how dominant he is in the regular season and early playoff series). Can’t help but think Klay would’ve nailed that shot, he was having a great game. Sucks that he got injured

That being said, good for Toronto/Canada for winning their first championship after making the bold move to trade for Kawhi on an expiring contract.

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Canada won, congratulations . Seriously, the Raptors are a good team, played defense, won on the road! Too bad KT went down with the injury, he was playing great. I love his game, great (and pretty) shot and he plays defense. I was kind of hoping for a 7th game. The biggest challenge now will be to keep KL on the team. And there are reports that the Washington Wizards want Masai Ujiri to run their operation. Interesting summer awaits the Raptors in the north.
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Don’t understand the last GS shot. You’re down by one. Why rush a contested 3? There were 9 seconds on the clock.

The 3 point shot has ruined basketball.

Now, get off my lawn and turn down your music.
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Don’t understand the last GS shot. You’re down by one. Why rush a contested 3? There were 9 seconds on the clock.

The 3 point shot has ruined basketball.


Now, get off my lawn and turn down your music.

I agree in a way and GS is a prime example. I personally don't care much for Curry scoring from miles away, but it sometime wins games I guess. You hardly see an open 2 points shot anymore from outside the paint!
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In this age of "money ball", maybe someone did some number crunching and figured out that the risk/reward analysis favors an open 3-pointer vs 2. My anecdotal observation is that for these guys, the percentage of open 3 vs 2 is pretty close.
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dalava wrote:
In this age of "money ball", maybe someone did some number crunching and figured out that the risk/reward analysis favors an open 3-pointer vs 2. My anecdotal observation is that for these guys, the percentage of open 3 vs 2 is pretty close.

Exactly, a 3 pointer is worth 50% more points than a 2 pointer and you are only something like ~15% less likely to make the shot. So even though you make less shots, you score more point. But there are other big advantages. It spreads out the defense, so defenders can't help each other and makes double teaming more difficult. Now your center is basically always in a 1 on 1 situation. Also, with the defenders spread out, it opens up lanes to drive towards the basket. That is why it is so effective.
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b4itwascold wrote:
Canada won, congratulations .

This is pro sports not the Olympics. An NBA Franchise located in Canada won. Half the players were American and the other half were European & African.

Interesting factoid... The Raptor's Chris Boucher is the only Canadian on this Raptors Championship team (he played in 28 regular season games).... He also won the NBA championship last year as a member of the GS Warriors. (He played in 1 regular season game....)

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Thanks for the clarification...I didn't know...

Interesting anecdote... Adam Silver looked fairly pleased last night, I think.
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I agree but I am not sure it males the game better of prettier, it just how the evolved.
On a different note, talking a money ball and statistics in general, half of the rebounds and assists recorded are junk. Specifically assist. It should only count when your assist clearly and directly make enables player to score. Like when cutting to the basket. A pass on the top of the key is not an assist, imo, I remember last regular season game the Heat Played the Nets and Wade needed one assist to get into some record. He nonchalantly passed the ball to a teammate who had an uncontested shot. Everyone went crazy for this assist. Its BS. Unlike baseball the statistic in baskeball is a tream effort not directly ties to an individual player, so more tricky to fully give a true picture.
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chaparral wrote:
dalava wrote:
In this age of "money ball", maybe someone did some number crunching and figured out that the risk/reward analysis favors an open 3-pointer vs 2. My anecdotal observation is that for these guys, the percentage of open 3 vs 2 is pretty close.


Exactly, a 3 pointer is worth 50% more points than a 2 pointer and you are only something like ~15% less likely to make the shot. So even though you make less shots, you score more point. But there are other big advantages. It spreads out the defense, so defenders can't help each other and makes double teaming more difficult. Now your center is basically always in a 1 on 1 situation. Also, with the defenders spread out, it opens up lanes to drive towards the basket. That is why it is so effective.

Not necessarily. But it sure makes players work harder.
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Guffaw wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
Canada won, congratulations .


This is pro sports not the Olympics. An NBA Franchise located in Canada won. Half the players were American and the other half were European & African.

Interesting factoid... The Raptor's Chris Boucher is the only Canadian on this Raptors Championship team (he played in 28 regular season games).... He also won the NBA championship last year as a member of the GS Warriors. (He played in 1 regular season game....)


And one American Asian.
https://bleacherreport.com/...yer-to-win-nba-title

fixed it.
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chaparral wrote:
Also, with the defenders spread out, it opens up lanes to drive towards the basket. That is why it is so effective.

It opens up lanes for others but there's also a handful of players that terrify opponents because they're ungodly three point shooters and they're quick enough to take that open lane the spread causes. James Harden and Steph Curry are the two that cause the most fits, especially Harden. You over commit trying to defend Harden's step-back 3 and he'll blow right by you for an easy two. Harden is the best 1-on-1 player in the NBA right now. His bag of tricks with the step-back, crossover, and Euro-step is just ridiculous. He's also deceptively quick. I know Giannis will probably beat out Harden for MVP this year but Harden should win it again, IMO.

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b4itwascold wrote:
Guffaw wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
Canada won, congratulations .


This is pro sports not the Olympics. An NBA Franchise located in Canada won. Half the players were American and the other half were European & African.

Interesting factoid... The Raptor's Chris Boucher is the only Canadian on this Raptors Championship team (he played in 28 regular season games).... He also won the NBA championship last year as a member of the GS Warriors. (He played in 1 regular season game....)


And one Asian.
https://bleacherreport.com/...yer-to-win-nba-title

Lin won a title before Melo - who would've thunk?
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b4itwascold wrote:
Guffaw wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
Canada won, congratulations .


This is pro sports not the Olympics. An NBA Franchise located in Canada won. Half the players were American and the other half were European & African.

Interesting factoid... The Raptor's Chris Boucher is the only Canadian on this Raptors Championship team (he played in 28 regular season games).... He also won the NBA championship last year as a member of the GS Warriors. (He played in 1 regular season game....)


And one Asian.
https://bleacherreport.com/...yer-to-win-nba-title

I'm pretty sure he's American.

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The GMAN wrote:
chaparral wrote:
Also, with the defenders spread out, it opens up lanes to drive towards the basket. That is why it is so effective.


It opens up lanes for others but there's also a handful of players that terrify opponents because they're ungodly three point shooters and they're quick enough to take that open lane the spread causes. James Harden and Steph Curry are the two that cause the most fits, especially Harden. You over commit trying to defend Harden's step-back 3 and he'll blow right by you for an easy two. Harden is the best 1-on-1 player in the NBA right now. His bag of tricks with the step-back, crossover, and Euro-step is just ridiculous. He's also deceptively quick. I know Giannis will probably beat out Harden for MVP this year but Harden should win it again, IMO.

You mean also the double step-back..... that belongs on the dancing floor. In basketball its called traveling.
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axlsix3 wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
Guffaw wrote:
b4itwascold wrote:
Canada won, congratulations .


This is pro sports not the Olympics. An NBA Franchise located in Canada won. Half the players were American and the other half were European & African.

Interesting factoid... The Raptor's Chris Boucher is the only Canadian on this Raptors Championship team (he played in 28 regular season games).... He also won the NBA championship last year as a member of the GS Warriors. (He played in 1 regular season game....)


And one Asian.
https://bleacherreport.com/...yer-to-win-nba-title


Lin won a title before Melo - who would've thunk?

Funny, I just saw all the twitter Lin-Melo fest, men people remember stuff from while back.
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Did Jeremy Lin play a minute in the final? I know he played some cleanup minutes in early post season blowouts.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Did Jeremy Lin play a minute in the final? I know he played some cleanup minutes in early post season blowouts.

"During this postseason run, Lin has only logged 27 total minutes. His only playing time in the Finals came in the final minute of the Raptors' 123-109 Game 3 win."

How about Fred VanVleet what a great story. The unsung hero of the Raptors, imo. Hubie Brown also voted for him as the MVP of the finals.
https://www.si.com/...-leonard-raptors-win
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b4itwascold wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Did Jeremy Lin play a minute in the final? I know he played some cleanup minutes in early post season blowouts.


"During this postseason run, Lin has only logged 27 total minutes. His only playing time in the Finals came in the final minute of the Raptors' 123-109 Game 3 win."

How about Fred VanVleet what a great story. The unsung hero of the Raptors, imo. Hubie Brown also voted for him as the MVP of the finals.
https://www.si.com/...-leonard-raptors-win

FVV was great in rounds 3 and 4. However, his gawd-awful play in round 2 is part of the reason why we needed Kawhi's miracle shot to put Philly away.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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BLeP wrote:
Did Jeremy Lin play a minute in the final? I know he played some cleanup minutes in early post season blowouts.


"During this postseason run, Lin has only logged 27 total minutes. His only playing time in the Finals came in the final minute of the Raptors' 123-109 Game 3 win."

How about Fred VanVleet what a great story. The unsung hero of the Raptors, imo. Hubie Brown also voted for him as the MVP of the finals.
https://www.si.com/...-leonard-raptors-win

Love Fred. Loved watching him at Wichita State (my alma mater). I think it's wild that he was undrafted, then last year signed a 2-year $18M contract.
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He's my favourite Raptor. I love a good underdog story.

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