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Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS
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First episode in the books. Plenty of action and story, probably more so than any other season premiere other than Season 1. I loved how Bran cut right to the chase once Danny arrived in mentioning the fate of her dragon, and also the awkward moment when she first met Sam and realized she had condemned his father and brother to death. The look on Jaime's face at the end when he saw Bran was priceless.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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I was like, ā€œYikes. Thereā€™s a lot of people that arenā€™t gonna be happy to see Jaime. Last time he was there he threw Bran out a window.ā€

Queue Bran being the first person to see Jaime. Awesome. šŸ‘

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Sansa to Tyrion ā€œI used to think you were the smartest person aliveā€. Arya to Jon ā€œSansa is the smartest person I knowā€. Tyrion hasnā€™t been smart in a couple seasons.

Loved how Theon freed his sister.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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The look the dragon gave Jon

The ending scene

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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I still have the scream stuck in my head. lol
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [50+] [ In reply to ]
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That was freaky the way they shot that when Tormund and Bernice were talking, yet you could see him blurred in the background and then his eyes opened ice blue just before he came back into focus.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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I liked it, but that was a lot of marching given that there are only 6 episodes this season.

At least Gendry got to stop rowing.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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When the Hound was fucking with Gendry, I have expected Gendry to snatch the ax back and say, something like, "you don't want it? OK."

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
I liked it, but that was a lot of marching given that there are only 6 episodes this season.

At least Gendry got to stop rowing.

Trying to figure out how they wrap this all up. Next week I bet most is still setup, and the last scene will be the Walkers reaching Winterfell. Ep 3 it the whole battle, and then 3 eps to figure out Cercei and the aftermath?
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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The last 4 episodes are all around 80 minutes...they have a lot of time to work with. Basically two relatively long movies.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a26788332/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-length-hbo/




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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [jschm13] [ In reply to ]
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Funniest thing I saw was a clip of Jamie as he saw Bran blankly staring back at him, while the theme from Curb Your Enthusiasm played over it.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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How come Bran wasn't telling everyone at Winterfell that Cersei was betraying them? That she has the Golden Company fighting for her now.

Why didn't he immediately tell Jon about his past? I mean just to get your "brother" to stop fucking his aunt? That's the least a brother could do!

He should have known Jamie was coming. Why wasn't he getting everyone prepared for that?
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [buddhabelly] [ In reply to ]
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How come Bran wasn't telling everyone at Winterfell that Cersei was betraying them? That she has the Golden Company fighting for her now.

Why didn't he immediately tell Jon about his past? I mean just to get your "brother" to stop fucking his aunt? That's the least a brother could do!

He should have known Jamie was coming. Why wasn't he getting everyone prepared for that?

Don't you remember, he told Sam, "he's not my brother."

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]
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That's why I put brother in quotes! :)

If you had that kind of info about a person you once thought to be your brother and still cared about wouldn't you tell him right away?
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]
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My predictions.

Yara kills Euron
Jamie kills Cersei
The Mountains saves the hound and dies in the process
Jamie dies
Daenerys or Jon dies. Going with the auntie. Dies while delivering their baby.
Sansa and Arya live
Wondering who Melisandre brings back to life. Maybe Viserion which would be cool.
Tyrion lives. And heā€™s a Targaryen
Jorah dies protecting Daenerys
Night king lives. Goes back to Chicago uh I mean north.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Who is Arya going to kill? What if after Jaime dies she kills Cersei wearing his face? A total double shock for Cersei and she is on Arya's list.

What about Tormund? Does he get it on with Brienne? Or now that Jamie is in Winterfell there is no chance of that?
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [buddhabelly] [ In reply to ]
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I like that idea! But I think Jamie kills Cersei. Thatā€™s the only possibility.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [buddhabelly] [ In reply to ]
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buddhabelly wrote:
How come Bran wasn't telling everyone at Winterfell that Cersei was betraying them? That she has the Golden Company fighting for her now.

Why didn't he immediately tell Jon about his past? I mean just to get your "brother" to stop fucking his aunt? That's the least a brother could do!

He should have known Jamie was coming. Why wasn't he getting everyone prepared for that?

He did know. When Sam asked him what he was doing out in the cold, he said "Waiting for an old friend." As for why he wasn't telling everyone, I'm gonna go with this: He's the three-eyed raven now. Letting others know Jamie was coming isn't really a big priority for him. He's got bigger things to think about. How's that?

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Francois wrote:
My predictions.

Yara kills Euron
Jamie kills Cersei
The Mountains saves the hound and dies in the process
Jamie dies
Daenerys or Jon dies. Going with the auntie. Dies while delivering their baby.
Sansa and Arya live
Wondering who Melisandre brings back to life. Maybe Viserion which would be cool.
Tyrion lives. And heā€™s a Targaryen
Jorah dies protecting Daenerys
Night king lives. Goes back to Chicago uh I mean north.

I will add that one or both of the remaining dragons will die. I am going to go with both as that makes fighting Cersei more "fair".
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Danno] [ In reply to ]
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Fair enough! I am just a little annoyed with his character and the portrayal. He is such a powerful figure and has so much information that could help team Jon&Dany and yet it doesn't seem like he is doing any of it. In the preview for the second episode, Jon is asking Tormund when the Night King is going to arrive. Bran could literally give them a play by play of his approach!

But really I am just nit picking! Although if someone I knew well was sleeping with their aunt and didn't know it I would tell them asap!! :)
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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How will you feel if Cersei lives? I am not sure how I will feel if that happens. I think she is the "worst" person on the show? Maybe it was Ramsey but he is dead now. If anyone "deserves" to die it's Cersei.

If Jamie kills Cersei would he then be known as the "QueenSlayer"?
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [M~] [ In reply to ]
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M~ wrote:
Francois wrote:
My predictions.

Yara kills Euron
Jamie kills Cersei
The Mountains saves the hound and dies in the process
Jamie dies
Daenerys or Jon dies. Going with the auntie. Dies while delivering their baby.
Sansa and Arya live
Wondering who Melisandre brings back to life. Maybe Viserion which would be cool.
Tyrion lives. And heā€™s a Targaryen
Jorah dies protecting Daenerys
Night king lives. Goes back to Chicago uh I mean north.


I will add that one or both of the remaining dragons will die. I am going to go with both as that makes fighting Cersei more "fair".

I think the Golden Company will betray her somehow. Refuse to fight or something.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [buddhabelly] [ In reply to ]
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Who is Arya going to kill? What if after Jaime dies she kills Cersei wearing his face? A total double shock for Cersei and she is on Arya's list.

What about Tormund? Does he get it on with Brienne? Or now that Jamie is in Winterfell there is no chance of that?

In a twist, Arya actually died fighting the Waif. Varys hired the Faceless Men to kill all of the contenders. Varys makes the Night King the Warden of the North. Varys rules.

I kind of want the Night King to turn out to be just a regular guy who looks funny and got tired of living in the cold.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Francois wrote:
My predictions.

Yara kills Euron
Jamie kills Cersei
The Mountains saves the hound and dies in the process
Jamie dies
Daenerys or Jon dies. Going with the auntie. Dies while delivering their baby.
Sansa and Arya live
Wondering who Melisandre brings back to life. Maybe Viserion which would be cool.
Tyrion lives. And heā€™s a Targaryen
Jorah dies protecting Daenerys
Night king lives. Goes back to Chicago uh I mean north.

RR Martin has said he has based North of the Wall on winter in Chicago
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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bluemonkeytri wrote:
M~ wrote:
Francois wrote:
My predictions.

Yara kills Euron
Jamie kills Cersei
The Mountains saves the hound and dies in the process
Jamie dies
Daenerys or Jon dies. Going with the auntie. Dies while delivering their baby.
Sansa and Arya live
Wondering who Melisandre brings back to life. Maybe Viserion which would be cool.
Tyrion lives. And heā€™s a Targaryen
Jorah dies protecting Daenerys
Night king lives. Goes back to Chicago uh I mean north.


I will add that one or both of the remaining dragons will die. I am going to go with both as that makes fighting Cersei more "fair".


I think the Golden Company will betray her somehow. Refuse to fight or something.

I'm with you on this. Maybe one of the golden company is that dude Danaerys used to bang in the first couple seasons.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [buddhabelly] [ In reply to ]
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How will you feel if Cersei lives?

Well, it is "Game of Thrones", who is playing the game best? Who should win? It won't necessarily be the "best" person.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Ha! That would be funny.

I am actually kind of worried how they are going to handle the fight with the Night King. Will it just be an hour long battle and then the "good guys win"? That seems like kind of a let down after 7 seasons of building up that "this is the worst thing coming"!
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
buddhabelly wrote:
Who is Arya going to kill? What if after Jaime dies she kills Cersei wearing his face? A total double shock for Cersei and she is on Arya's list.

What about Tormund? Does he get it on with Brienne? Or now that Jamie is in Winterfell there is no chance of that?


In a twist, Arya actually died fighting the Waif. Varys hired the Faceless Men to kill all of the contenders. Varys makes the Night King the Warden of the North. Varys rules.

I kind of want the Night King to turn out to be just a regular guy who looks funny and got tired of living in the cold.

I don't agree with you here but Varys scheming behind the scenes might be right considering he hasn't done a thing in a season and a half. You have to wonder why he's on the show at this point.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah I get that and I understand that GOT likes to throw curve balls in by killing off major characters and allowing seemingly other villainous characters to thrive. However I think most characters have had to face serious consequences, sometimes with their lives, for their decisions. I do not think Cersei has yet. I think she is basically a sociopath that really is just the most ruthless and not really playing the game the "best". She basically sacrificed her son for the throne. The last two rulers like her, Joffrey and the Mad King, paid with their lives because of the way they were. I hope the same happens to Cersei.

That and I like happy endings where the good guys win!! :)
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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My predictions.
Yara kills Euron
Jamie kills Cersei
The Mountains saves the hound and dies in the process
Jamie dies
Daenerys or Jon dies. Going with the auntie. Dies while delivering their baby.
Sansa and Arya live
Wondering who Melisandre brings back to life. Maybe Viserion which would be cool.
Tyrion lives. And heā€™s a Targaryen
Jorah dies protecting Daenerys
Night king lives. Goes back to Chicago uh I mean north.


Theon kills Euron.
Tyrion kills Cersei.
Arya kills the night king.
Daenerys dies (somehow).
Jaime ends up on the Iron Throne (he's on a redemption arc)
John Snow does everything right....but becomes the new Night King. Making him mortal enemies with the 3 eyed raven...Bran...ugh...
(George RR Martin has said it will be a bittersweet ending)
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Brian in MA wrote:
Funniest thing I saw was a clip of Jamie as he saw Bran blankly staring back at him, while the theme from Curb Your Enthusiasm played over it.


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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [KAlber] [ In reply to ]
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KAlber wrote:
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My predictions.
Yara kills Euron
Jamie kills Cersei
The Mountains saves the hound and dies in the process
Jamie dies
Daenerys or Jon dies. Going with the auntie. Dies while delivering their baby.
Sansa and Arya live
Wondering who Melisandre brings back to life. Maybe Viserion which would be cool.
Tyrion lives. And heā€™s a Targaryen
Jorah dies protecting Daenerys
Night king lives. Goes back to Chicago uh I mean north.


Theon kills Euron.
Tyrion kills Cersei.
Arya kills the night king.
Daenerys dies (somehow).
Jaime ends up on the Iron Throne (he's on a redemption arc)
John Snow does everything right....but becomes the new Night King. Making him mortal enemies with the 3 eyed raven...Bran...ugh...
(George RR Martin has said it will be a bittersweet ending)

Any bets on Bronn throwing a wrench into all of this?

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [buddhabelly] [ In reply to ]
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Fair enough! I am just a little annoyed with his character and the portrayal. He is such a powerful figure and has so much information that could help team Jon&Dany and yet it doesn't seem like he is doing any of it. In the preview for the second episode, Jon is asking Tormund when the Night King is going to arrive. Bran could literally give them a play by play of his approach!

But really I am just nit picking! Although if someone I knew well was sleeping with their aunt and didn't know it I would tell them asap!! :)

Yeah, but sheā€™s a pretty hot aunt. She flys around on dragons. And walks out of Fire buck naked. If someone ruined that for me by saying I was really her nephew- Iā€™d make them prove it. And I wouldnā€™t stop until there was proof.
Itā€™s not like incest isnā€™t rampant in Westeros.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder why most people seem to think either Jon or Dany will die. I guess it seems too nice of a bow to put on it to have them marry and be king and queen. Too easy a solution also to the tension of Jon being the true king.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [buddhabelly] [ In reply to ]
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buddhabelly wrote:

If Jamie kills Cersei would he then be known as the "QueenSlayer"?

Jaime has been 'slaying' the Queen since Season 1.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [buddhabelly] [ In reply to ]
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buddhabelly wrote:
Yeah I get that and I understand that GOT likes to throw curve balls in by killing off major characters and allowing seemingly other villainous characters to thrive. However I think most characters have had to face serious consequences, sometimes with their lives, for their decisions. I do not think Cersei has yet. I think she is basically a sociopath that really is just the most ruthless and not really playing the game the "best". She basically sacrificed her son for the throne. The last two rulers like her, Joffrey and the Mad King, paid with their lives because of the way they were. I hope the same happens to Cersei.

That and I like happy endings where the good guys win!! :)

I think I said this in a thread last season, Ramsey said to Theon early on "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention".
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Night King kills everyone. Then pulls his face off and reveals that he's Arya. Wink to camera. Fade to credits.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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Endo wrote:
I wonder why most people seem to think either Jon or Dany will die. I guess it seems too nice of a bow to put on it to have them marry and be king and queen. Too easy a solution also to the tension of Jon being the true king.

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I think itā€™s just because the initial seasons were actually from the books and if Martin has written it all, at the end there would only be white walkers left.

But clearly theyā€™ve been a bit more moderate since taking over. That said the team said the ending would be bittersweet. Which could be understood was uh oh someone we like will die or, last episode sorry folks.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [cartsman] [ In reply to ]
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Night King kills everyone. Then begins to pull his face off and.. we realize that the music that's been playing in the background for the whole scene is a cover of Journey's "Don't Stop Believin'" played on medieval instruments, which ends abruptly as the screen turns black.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Danno] [ In reply to ]
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I actually thought about this some more and read an article about it. I thought it was a throw away line and Bran just meant he was waiting for Sam. But after what you said that didn't make sense. (Thanks for bringing it up!!) Then I read an article that said he probably didn't mean Jamie either and it posited that Bran maybe meant Theon or Meera/Howland Reed.

My theory (I haven't read this anywhere yet, but it may be out there) is that Bran is referring to the Night King when he says he is waiting for an "old friend". Somehow the Night King and the Three Eyed Raven are connected. I even think the Night King might be a Stark and maybe the first Three Eyed Raven is as well. I think we will find out what the connection is between the two and we will see that in the past, the Night King and the Three Eyed Raven were "friends".

What do you think??
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I said a few years back that the series would end with Jon and Dany sitting in a NJ diner eating onion rings. Will edit to add that Jon notices the Night King enter wearing a Members Only jacket.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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There is really no tangible proof that Jon is a Targaryen (I don't think). No one is just going to take his, the 3 eyed raven or Sam's word on it. Especially Dany.

So I am thinking that ultimately to prove his lineage to Dany and everyone else will have to be a trial by fire. I believe Targaryens cannot be burnt by dragon fire.

Jon is going to have to either voluntarily get one of the two dragons to light him up in front of everyone, or better yet, Jon squares off against the Night King and the Ice Dragon. The Ice Dragon hoses him down with Dragon fire on the battlefield and all the world sees Jon walk away from it alive. In fact that might be how he first reveals his lineage to everyone, even Dany.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [buddhabelly] [ In reply to ]
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In the book, the Night's King was the 13th lord commander of the Night's Watch, 8000 years ago.
He fell in love with a woman with white skin, blue eyes, and skin as cold as ice. They moved into Nightfort castle and ruled the Night's Watch like a king for 13 years. Brandon the Breaker, who would have been about the 13th Stark king, and the king of the wildlings defeated them and brought the Night's Watch back to normal.
Old Nan said the Night's King was a Stark, but other stories say Bolton, Umber, etc.

In season 6, Bran saw a Child of the Forest turn a First Man into the night king. The creator of the night king was the Child of the Forest that was with them in the cave. Northerners are the only people "today" that identify as First Men - Andals came later and wiped them out in the south.
First Men were the Celts
Andals were the Saxons
Targarens were the Normans

So theoretically the Night king could be a Stark both from the book and from the show.
In both the books and show, the Nightfort is where Sam and Gilly meet Bran and crew as they pass through the wall
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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I was watching a Youtube recap of GOT S8 ep1. There was a scene with Bron and a girl. I didn't remember it from the show. I checked again and it is not there. It seems that Mongolia, where I am based, is getting the censored version from China. NOT HAPPY. The censored version is 6 minutes shorter than the full version.

I will wait until I get back to Australia so that I can watch the full versions.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Ironnerd] [ In reply to ]
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Ironnerd wrote:
I was watching a Youtube recap of GOT S8 ep1. There was a scene with Bron and a girl. I didn't remember it from the show. I checked again and it is not there. It seems that Mongolia, where I am based, is getting the censored version from China. NOT HAPPY. The censored version is 6 minutes shorter than the full version.

I will wait until I get back to Australia so that I can watch the full versions.

Actually it was 3 naked girls, who wouldn't stop prattling on about dragons while trying to bone Bronn, and then Qyburn walks in and hires him on behalf of Cersei to kill Tyrion and Jaime.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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The Targarrins win.

Dany is pregnant with Jonā€™s baby.

Final scene. Pregnant Dany giving birth. Both she and the baby die.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [buddhabelly] [ In reply to ]
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buddhabelly wrote:
How come Bran wasn't telling everyone at Winterfell that Cersei was betraying them? That she has the Golden Company fighting for her now.

Why didn't he immediately tell Jon about his past? I mean just to get your "brother" to stop fucking his aunt? That's the least a brother could do!

He should have known Jamie was coming. Why wasn't he getting everyone prepared for that?

I took it as he has enough knowledge to know that there are some things that people need to find out on their own. And also that he maybe isn't on a "side" in the upcoming war with the Night King.

As someone else pointed out, the Night King is likely a Stark. So the war could end up being the Night King and current Starks vs Dany and current Targeryans. And Jon becomes "The Prince Who Was Promised" (being both Stark and Targeryan) and takes control of everything, but killing off a bunch of people in the process.

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Starting from scratch...
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [buddhabelly] [ In reply to ]
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buddhabelly wrote:
I actually thought about this some more and read an article about it. I thought it was a throw away line and Bran just meant he was waiting for Sam. But after what you said that didn't make sense. (Thanks for bringing it up!!) Then I read an article that said he probably didn't mean Jamie either and it posited that Bran maybe meant Theon or Meera/Howland Reed.

My theory (I haven't read this anywhere yet, but it may be out there) is that Bran is referring to the Night King when he says he is waiting for an "old friend". Somehow the Night King and the Three Eyed Raven are connected. I even think the Night King might be a Stark and maybe the first Three Eyed Raven is as well. I think we will find out what the connection is between the two and we will see that in the past, the Night King and the Three Eyed Raven were "friends".

What do you think??

Given the series' penchant for delivering the unexpected, I can't rule any of that out. Sounds plausible to me, and I'm certain the Night King and the Three-eyed Raven are connected somehow other than just through the Children. Your theory that one or both may be Stark ancestors is very interesting and seems right up GRRM's alley.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Chri55] [ In reply to ]
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KAlber wrote:
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My predictions.
Yara kills Euron
Jamie kills Cersei
The Mountains saves the hound and dies in the process
Jamie dies
Daenerys or Jon dies. Going with the auntie. Dies while delivering their baby.
Sansa and Arya live
Wondering who Melisandre brings back to life. Maybe Viserion which would be cool.
Tyrion lives. And heā€™s a Targaryen
Jorah dies protecting Daenerys
Night king lives. Goes back to Chicago uh I mean north.


Theon kills Euron.
Tyrion kills Cersei.
Arya kills the night king.
Daenerys dies (somehow).
Jaime ends up on the Iron Throne (he's on a redemption arc)
John Snow does everything right....but becomes the new Night King. Making him mortal enemies with the 3 eyed raven...Bran...ugh...
(George RR Martin has said it will be a bittersweet ending)


Any bets on Bronn throwing a wrench into all of this?

There's zero chance Bronn turns on either Jaime or Tyrion, IMO. Yes, he's a hired merc but he actually likes those two and he's aware of the shitshow that's coming from the White Walkers. He'll gladly take Cersei's money now but he knows she's off her rocker and he's more into self-preservation than money.

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There is really no tangible proof that Jon is a Targaryen (I don't think). No one is just going to take his, the 3 eyed raven or Sam's word on it. Especially Dany.
So I am thinking that ultimately to prove his lineage to Dany and everyone else will have to be a trial by fire. I believe Targaryens cannot be burnt by dragon fire.

Targaryen's are the only ones that can ride dragons...Ergo, John is a Targaryen. Also, Targaryens can be burned...remember Viserys?

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Sure, but does having molten gold poured on your head really count as being burnt if there was no actual fire?

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My predictions.
Yara kills Euron
Jamie kills Cersei
The Mountains saves the hound and dies in the process
Jamie dies
Daenerys or Jon dies. Going with the auntie. Dies while delivering their baby.
Sansa and Arya live
Wondering who Melisandre brings back to life. Maybe Viserion which would be cool.
Tyrion lives. And heā€™s a Targaryen
Jorah dies protecting Daenerys
Night king lives. Goes back to Chicago uh I mean north.


Theon kills Euron.
Tyrion kills Cersei.
Arya kills the night king.
Daenerys dies (somehow).
Jaime ends up on the Iron Throne (he's on a redemption arc)
John Snow does everything right....but becomes the new Night King. Making him mortal enemies with the 3 eyed raven...Bran...ugh...
(George RR Martin has said it will be a bittersweet ending)

Iā€™m way deeper into the lore, the books, etc than I ever imagined being. Iā€™ve watched the first seven seasons three times now... here are my predictions:

The Mountain kills The Hound but Arya returns the favor. Arya killing the Mountain has been foreshadowed a bunch: first with Aryaā€™s Bravossi teacher telling her she must be quick to beat enemies bigger and stronger than her, then with Bron telling Tyrion how someone could beat the Mountain, and then with Arya passing through the legs of the Giant of Bravos.

Jaime kills the Night King. Iā€™m very confident in this prediction. First, keep in mind that Jaime saved Westeros from a death by fire (The Mad King) so it would only be appropriate that he saved Westeros from a death by ice. Second, thereā€™s a scene in Season 1 where Caitlin Stark is talking to Jaime as a prisoner. Jaime goes on a rant ā€œKingslayer, oath breaker...ā€ and Caitlin interjects saying ā€œyou will always be the Kingslayerā€ which I believe is prophecy/foreshadowing. Third, Jaimeā€™s story arc nearly perfectly fits the prophecy of Azor Ahai if you donā€™t take the prophecy to be literal.

Jon and Daenerys die. I donā€™t know how or why, itā€™s just a gut feeling. Jon dies first. However I suspect they have a child and Daenerys dies in childbirth.

Tyrion is a Targaryen. This is really heavily hinted at throughout the story. First you have Prince Martelā€™s description of Tyrion as a baby which was eerily similar to the description of Daenerysā€™s first child which died after birth (Targaryens donā€™t seem to breed well with non-Targaryens). Second, you have the very careful words of Tyrionā€™s father before his death ā€œyouā€™re no son of mine.ā€ Third, you have the way the dragons treated Tyrion in the pyramid of Mereen.

Tyrion sits on the Iron Throne as King Regent for the child of Jon and Daenerys. This fulfillā€™s a lot of things foreshadowed in the show: a return of a Targaryen, a rise of diplomacy and competent governance, the fulfillment of Varysā€™ statement ā€œa small man can cast a large shadowā€, a sort of fulfillment of Robert Baratheonā€™s wish for Ned Stark to be King Regent until his child came of age, Tyrionā€™s discussion with Danny about a succession plan, and GRRā€™s statement the ending would be bittersweet.

Other predictions: Melissandra returns with a quasi-army of priests, Jakyl Hā€™gal returns, we find out heā€™s somehow related to the Targaryens (he looks an awful lot of what we see of Rhaegar in Branā€™s vision plus in the books they never find his body), the Golden Company ends up turning on or failing Cersei in some way. It wouldnā€™t surprise me if Jakyl killed Cersei and then killed Arya.
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The GMAN wrote:
Chri55 wrote:
KAlber wrote:
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My predictions.
Yara kills Euron
Jamie kills Cersei
The Mountains saves the hound and dies in the process
Jamie dies
Daenerys or Jon dies. Going with the auntie. Dies while delivering their baby.
Sansa and Arya live
Wondering who Melisandre brings back to life. Maybe Viserion which would be cool.
Tyrion lives. And heā€™s a Targaryen
Jorah dies protecting Daenerys
Night king lives. Goes back to Chicago uh I mean north.


Theon kills Euron.
Tyrion kills Cersei.
Arya kills the night king.
Daenerys dies (somehow).
Jaime ends up on the Iron Throne (he's on a redemption arc)
John Snow does everything right....but becomes the new Night King. Making him mortal enemies with the 3 eyed raven...Bran...ugh...
(George RR Martin has said it will be a bittersweet ending)


Any bets on Bronn throwing a wrench into all of this?


There's zero chance Bronn turns on either Jaime or Tyrion, IMO. Yes, he's a hired merc but he actually likes those two and he's aware of the shitshow that's coming from the White Walkers. He'll gladly take Cersei's money now but he knows she's off her rocker and he's more into self-preservation than money.

My bet is Bronn tips Jamie off to Cersei's plans and this leads to him killing his sister.

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It wouldnā€™t surprise me if Jakyl killed Cersei and then killed Arya.

Why do you think he would kill Arya. My memory is fuzzy on it, but I thought he let her go her own way (let her go).

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I agree with you on Arya killing the Mountain.

Aside from the evidence you cited weā€™ve already seen Oberyn for all intents and purposes defeat the Mountain using speed and skill and Arya sparing to a draw the female version of the Mountain with her tiny sword. We also saw her Bravosi swordmaster, who was quite small, befuddle several giant hulking nights with a wooden sword.

FWIW I expect Arya to whip out both Needle and the Valyrian steel dagger with the dagger striking the killing blow.
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It wouldnā€™t surprise me if Jakyl killed Cersei and then killed Arya.

Why do you think he would kill Arya. My memory is fuzzy on it, but I thought he let her go her own way (let her go).

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I've got two reasons behind this. The first is that the Faceless Men seem to be a pretty rigid, rules-bound organization. Just because Jakyl let Arya go, I don't think that means she's forgiven. Jakyl was decidedly caught off guard by Arya in the Temple of the Many Faced God. Afraid? I don't think that's the right word. After all, what could Jakyl have to fear from Arya even in that moment? I think Jakyl saw Arya as a tool to use in the future and that's the only reason she's alive. I think by the end of the show we'll see Jakyl has some sort of ties to the Targaryens and that Varys will somehow be involved in bringing the faceless men to Westeros for the end game of Game of Thrones.

Second, I suspect Sansa will be the only Stark to survive. "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell" is repeated more often in the books than in the movies. That's decidedly singular. The only flip side to this is the possibility that Gendry and Arya hitch their wagons which would be a fulfillment of Robert Baratheon saying "I have a son, you have a daughter, we should join our houses."
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Good points - I agree on Gendry-Arya given Robert's quote from Season 1, also agree that Jaaqen Hagar has to come back at some point. He was such an important character as far as Arya's development plus has the ability as a Faceless Man to pretty much show up anywhere unnoticed.



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GreenPlease wrote:
Endo wrote:
It wouldnā€™t surprise me if Jakyl killed Cersei and then killed Arya.

Why do you think he would kill Arya. My memory is fuzzy on it, but I thought he let her go her own way (let her go).

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I've got two reasons behind this. The first is that the Faceless Men seem to be a pretty rigid, rules-bound organization. Just because Jakyl let Arya go, I don't think that means she's forgiven. Jakyl was decidedly caught off guard by Arya in the Temple of the Many Faced God. Afraid? I don't think that's the right word. After all, what could Jakyl have to fear from Arya even in that moment? I think Jakyl saw Arya as a tool to use in the future and that's the only reason she's alive. I think by the end of the show we'll see Jakyl has some sort of ties to the Targaryens and that Varys will somehow be involved in bringing the faceless men to Westeros for the end game of Game of Thrones.

Second, I suspect Sansa will be the only Stark to survive. "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell" is repeated more often in the books than in the movies. That's decidedly singular. The only flip side to this is the possibility that Gendry and Arya hitch their wagons which would be a fulfillment of Robert Baratheon saying "I have a son, you have a daughter, we should join our houses."

If the White Walker King is a Stark then perhaps he will be the Stark in the north?
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Chri55 wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
Chri55 wrote:
KAlber wrote:
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My predictions.
Yara kills Euron
Jamie kills Cersei
The Mountains saves the hound and dies in the process
Jamie dies
Daenerys or Jon dies. Going with the auntie. Dies while delivering their baby.
Sansa and Arya live
Wondering who Melisandre brings back to life. Maybe Viserion which would be cool.
Tyrion lives. And heā€™s a Targaryen
Jorah dies protecting Daenerys
Night king lives. Goes back to Chicago uh I mean north.


Theon kills Euron.
Tyrion kills Cersei.
Arya kills the night king.
Daenerys dies (somehow).
Jaime ends up on the Iron Throne (he's on a redemption arc)
John Snow does everything right....but becomes the new Night King. Making him mortal enemies with the 3 eyed raven...Bran...ugh...
(George RR Martin has said it will be a bittersweet ending)


Any bets on Bronn throwing a wrench into all of this?


There's zero chance Bronn turns on either Jaime or Tyrion, IMO. Yes, he's a hired merc but he actually likes those two and he's aware of the shitshow that's coming from the White Walkers. He'll gladly take Cersei's money now but he knows she's off her rocker and he's more into self-preservation than money.


My bet is Bronn tips Jamie off to Cersei's plans and this leads to him killing his sister.

Cersei is already dead to Jaime. After the Sept of Baylor was destroyed and Cersei took the throne, Jaime's look at Cersei said "You set all of this in motion. You killed our son." and it goes even further than that because Cersei had become the Mad King... the person who Jaime killed (at great personal cost) to save King's Landing. Jaime finally "killed" Cersei, in his own mind, when he said "I don't believe you" and then walked away from her at the end of Season 7. This was the final step of forging Lightbringer ("plunged the sword into his lovers heart to quench the flame"). Jaime is both Lightbringer and Azor Ahai.
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Well the second episode of the final season was a bit slow and drawn out.

It felt weird seeing Arya getting it on. We've seen her as a young girl!

I wish they at least gave us a little update of Theons sister, the armys at king's landing or the fleet of iron born.
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Well the second episode of the final season was a bit slow and drawn out.

It felt weird seeing Arya getting it on. We've seen her as a young girl!

I wish they at least gave us a little update of Theons sister, the armys at king's landing or the fleet of iron born.

Why do they think the crypts are safe? I mean they are fighting an enemy that raises the dead, so lets put a bunch of people down where there are a bunch of dead people!
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I didnā€™t really want a side-boob and ass shot of Arya.
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I thought these final 6 episodes were supposed to be 90 minutes?

During the fireside chat I expected them to all start farting, ala Boazing saddles
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The fireside chat with the song reminded me of the scene in the deer hunter where they all sing god bless America. Signalling a bitter sweet ending is on its way or almost there.
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I thought no way Jon tells Dany he's a Targareon before the battle. Fail.

Is the big woman still here? Best line of the night.

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Agree, how could Sam and/or Bran not realize that the crypt would not be safe? How effed up would that be to have dead Ned, Lyanna, Rickon etc all rise up with everyone in there. Also, when they were going over the battle plan Jon mentioned holding them off with a fire trench, yet the Children of the Forest tried the same thing when they came for Bran and the Three Eyed Raven in Season 6.

Last nights episode was literally the calm before the storm and a chance for some characters to say goodbye (this could be a separate thread with an over/under on who survives).

Some interesting theories out there about Arya's scars and choice of weapon pointing to her really being The Waif.



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I didnā€™t really want a side-boob and ass shot of Arya.

Agreed, I turned my head during that scene.

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I didnā€™t really want a side-boob and ass shot of Arya.


Agreed, I turned my head during that scene.


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WelshinPhilly wrote:
Billabong wrote:
AlanShearer wrote:
I didnā€™t really want a side-boob and ass shot of Arya.


Agreed, I turned my head during that scene.


Meh, thatā€™s like saying I wonā€™t look at Lindsay Lohan, Miley Cyrus, etc because I remember them from Nickelodeon. I think what else throws people off is she is very petite and a tomboy. However, it seems like nearly every pic I have seen in pop culture of her and Sansa is either in very revealing clothing or a bikini.
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...which isn't really surprising. Imagine being linked indelibly to a classic beauty like Sophie Turner in the public eye for pretty much all of your notable life. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if she not only agreed to a partially nude scene, but advocated for it.

I cringed just a little at that scene. Give me three whores of Westeros over virgin Arya any day of the week.

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Why do you hate a classic coming of age story?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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His expression was the best part of the scene. Ok, remember you're getting paid for this, and it's not actually happening...

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Agree, how could Sam and/or Bran not realize that the crypt would not be safe? How effed up would that be to have dead Ned, Lyanna, Rickon etc all rise up with everyone in there. Also, when they were going over the battle plan Jon mentioned holding them off with a fire trench, yet the Children of the Forest tried the same thing when they came for Bran and the Three Eyed Raven in Season 6.

Last nights episode was literally the calm before the storm and a chance for some characters to say goodbye (this could be a separate thread with an over/under on who survives).

Some interesting theories out there about Arya's scars and choice of weapon pointing to her really being The Waif.

Bran hasnā€™t exactly been as helpful as he could be. He wouldnā€™t even have to tap into his raven powers to tell them that fire trenches are pretty worthless. Iā€™m also puzzled that nobody even mentioned how they intend to deal with an ice dragon during the battle planning. We didnā€™t see the Night King with his buddies walking up on Winterfell and I kind of assume thatā€™s because heā€™s flying in for the battle.

I was initially a bit sketched out with Arya/Gendry. I kept expecting the scene to cut away with the obvious implication that they got it on well before they started shedding clothes. I didnā€™t realize that she is 22 (looks about 15 though) now and from what Iā€™ve read elsewhere apparently in control and happy over how that went down.
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I didnā€™t really want a side-boob and ass shot of Arya.

On the plus side, at least it was a presumably incest-free interaction for once.
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That kind of talk might get you shoved out a window.

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I know it's probably supposed to be a surprise to Danny.... but how can the guys that just came from the fallen wall not tell anyone there is a NightDragon !
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His expression was the best part of the scene. Ok, remember you're getting paid for this, and it's not actually happening...

Read a theory that the focus on her scars is a clue that this is really the Waif and not Arya. Interesting theory.
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I think it was a red herring. The focus on the scars was way too obvious. They're toying with us.

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I know it's probably supposed to be a surprise to Danny.... but how can the guys that just came from the fallen wall not tell anyone there is a NightDragon !

Didn't Bran tell Danaerys that in episode 1 of this season? When she first arrived at Winterfell, he was like 'let's dispense with the bullshit ceremonial welcome, shit's about to go down and oh by the way the Night King has your dead dragon."
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When the faceless men are able to wear a "face", do they get all their memories? They would have to, in order for us to believe this is really the waif. Arya has had too much personal interaction and conversation about things that happened in the past.

It would be kind of effed up, if after all this is done, the Waif peels off Aryas face and said "Arya died a long time ago", and walks off.

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I didnā€™t really want a side-boob and ass shot of Arya.

The look on Gendry's face when he saw the battles scars ... 'I guess this is how male spiders feel'

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chriskal wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Agree, how could Sam and/or Bran not realize that the crypt would not be safe? How effed up would that be to have dead Ned, Lyanna, Rickon etc all rise up with everyone in there. Also, when they were going over the battle plan Jon mentioned holding them off with a fire trench, yet the Children of the Forest tried the same thing when they came for Bran and the Three Eyed Raven in Season 6.


Last nights episode was literally the calm before the storm and a chance for some characters to say goodbye (this could be a separate thread with an over/under on who survives).

Some interesting theories out there about Arya's scars and choice of weapon pointing to her really being The Waif.


Bran hasnā€™t exactly been as helpful as he could be. He wouldnā€™t even have to tap into his raven powers to tell them that fire trenches are pretty worthless. Iā€™m also puzzled that nobody even mentioned how they intend to deal with an ice dragon during the battle planning. We didnā€™t see the Night King with his buddies walking up on Winterfell and I kind of assume thatā€™s because heā€™s flying in for the battle.

I was initially a bit sketched out with Arya/Gendry. I kept expecting the scene to cut away with the obvious implication that they got it on well before they started shedding clothes. I didnā€™t realize that she is 22 (looks about 15 though) now and from what Iā€™ve read elsewhere apparently in control and happy over how that went down.


I'm convinced that's because the Night King won't be at the Battle of Winterfell. I think the force moving on Winterfell is a diversionary force. I believe the Night King is marching towards King's Landing. My theory here is multifaceted:
  1. Episode 7 of Season 7 was a defeat for the Night King and a wake-up call for him. A small, rag-tag band of soldiers was able to hold out against his army and three dragons were able to inflict very serious damage. Further, he's now aware that his "enemy" also has Dragon Glass and Valyrian steel. Even if he has a dragon of his own and huge numbers, he has to know he'll be facing a prepared enemy at Winterfell, something he hasn't faced before (at least not during this timeline). A good strategy would be to bypass Winterfell (but keep them occupied) and roll up the rest of Westeros into a truly unstoppable army.
  2. Both Daenrys and Bran have had visions of the shadow of a single dragon flying over Kings Landing. I don't think that's a coincidence or insignificant. Everything in this show is very deliberate. Last night's hookup seen with Arya and Genry was a fulfillment of something Robert Baratheon said all the way back in Season 1 "I have a son, you have a daughter. We should join our houses." Back to the dragon over Kings Landing, that dragon is likely Visyrion. It's hard to come up with a plausible story line for a single dragon over Kings Landing other than the Night King bypassing Winterfell.
  3. From a storytelling perspective, we're kind of boxed in here. Jaime, a seasoned soldier and military commander, has already told us that if the people at Winterfell survive the Golden Company will finish them off. That would be a dumb way to end the show. Also, if the dead prevail and march on Kings Landing, there's no reason to believe the Golden Company would prevail thus leaving the Night King on the Iron Throne. Again, not a great way to end the show.
  4. I think Qyburn was foreshadowing something when he said "the Queen has a sense of poetic justice." What would poetic justice be for Cersei? She planned on both armies annihilating each other. Would it not be poetic justice if she found out both armies were marching on her and she actually had to fight on the same side as Daenarys and the Starks? A great way to end the show would be a battle where the Army of the Dead is sandwiched between The Golden Company and the remnant of Winterfell.
  5. We still need to fulfill two prophecies: Azor Ahai and the Wood's Witch prophecy. The best path I see for this (and others have commented on it as well... at length) is for Jaime Lannister to be Azor Ahai and to kill Cersei.

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Why do they think the crypts are safe? I mean they are fighting an enemy that raises the dead, so lets put a bunch of people down where there are a bunch of dead people!

I think The Night King can only resurrect those that his Army has killed

That being said, I hope they remember "Rule #22: When in Doubt Know Your Way Out"

I wonder how many other Zombieland rules are going out the window [so to speak]

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spntrxi wrote:
I know it's probably supposed to be a surprise to Danny.... but how can the guys that just came from the fallen wall not tell anyone there is a NightDragon !

Bran already told them in the last episode.
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spntrxi wrote:
I know it's probably supposed to be a surprise to Danny.... but how can the guys that just came from the fallen wall not tell anyone there is a NightDragon !


Bran already told them in the last episode.

Arya: Can DragonFire kill the Walkers?
Bran: I don't know, no one ever tried before

Load of fucking help you are

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To add to your theory, in Season 2 when Dany had her vision at The House of the Undying, it was winter in King's Landing and the roof of the Red Keep above the Iron Throne had been torched (similar to Harenhaal that same season when Tywin talked about it being laid to ruin by dragons). Dany also saw herself with Drogo and their son in her vision, which could give more weight to your theory that the Night King gets to King's Landing first and destroys it, but then also gets Dany when she arrives from Winterfell to finally claim her throne.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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"I believe the Night King is marching towards King's Landing."

Damn it, now I'm all giddy. Great theory, and seems to work. The Walkers massacred everyone at House Umber (sp?), they could've easily gotten the intel needed to know about the force amassing at Winterfell.

Which makes me wonder if Gregor Clegane will show any fear, or will be be revealed to be a prototype Walker and be able to save Kings Landing (ie, Cersei).

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [mck414] [ In reply to ]
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mck414 wrote:
"I believe the Night King is marching towards King's Landing."

Damn it, now I'm all giddy. Great theory, and seems to work. The Walkers massacred everyone at House Umber (sp?), they could've easily gotten the intel needed to know about the force amassing at Winterfell.

Which makes me wonder if Gregor Clegane will show any fear, or will be be revealed to be a prototype Walker and be able to save Kings Landing (ie, Cersei).


Bran would know if the Night King is not coming to Winterfell. If he can't tell this, then I'm calling BS.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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Endo wrote:
mck414 wrote:
"I believe the Night King is marching towards King's Landing."

Damn it, now I'm all giddy. Great theory, and seems to work. The Walkers massacred everyone at House Umber (sp?), they could've easily gotten the intel needed to know about the force amassing at Winterfell.

Which makes me wonder if Gregor Clegane will show any fear, or will be be revealed to be a prototype Walker and be able to save Kings Landing (ie, Cersei).



Bran would know if the Night King is not coming to Winterfell. If he can't tell this, then I'm calling BS.



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Not true, last night, when asked, Bran couldn't say where the Night King was, only that the Night King always knew where Bran was (then showed the marking on his arm). Couldn't Bran warg into the Night King to see where he was at?

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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Endo wrote:
mck414 wrote:
"I believe the Night King is marching towards King's Landing."

Damn it, now I'm all giddy. Great theory, and seems to work. The Walkers massacred everyone at House Umber (sp?), they could've easily gotten the intel needed to know about the force amassing at Winterfell.

Which makes me wonder if Gregor Clegane will show any fear, or will be be revealed to be a prototype Walker and be able to save Kings Landing (ie, Cersei).



Bran would know if the Night King is not coming to Winterfell. If he can't tell this, then I'm calling BS.



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It could be as easy as just the Night King and Viserion flying to Kings Landing with no other ground troops. He could still do considerable damage to an unsuspecting Kings Landing and then raise all he kills. Then the heroes are sandwiched between 2 forces, albeit with one considerably farther away. Considering how the show has played fast and loose with travel lately and that Bran's powers are hit and miss in the show, maybe he can't see him. That the mark the NK gave Bran only works one-way.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [mck414] [ In reply to ]
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or warg into one of the many ravens flying around to see what's up.....
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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Branā€™s vision isnā€™t perfect. Take for example how he interpreted the events at the Tower of Joy. He thought that Jon was a Dornish bastard. He wasnā€™t able to see what truly happened until Sam helped him.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, they are going to have to do some really accelerated warp-level travel time to bring the Winterfell and Kings Landing plot lines to a conclusion in just 4 episodes.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Also...at the end of S8E2, you don't see the night king or the dragon. I think you're right. He's going straight to KL
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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The last 2 episodes are basically 4.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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bluemonkeytri wrote:
It could be as easy as just the Night King and Viserion flying to Kings Landing with no other ground troops. He could still do considerable damage to an unsuspecting Kings Landing and then raise all he kills. Then the heroes are sandwiched between 2 forces, albeit with one considerably farther away. Considering how the show has played fast and loose with travel lately and that Bran's powers are hit and miss in the show, maybe he can't see him. That the mark the NK gave Bran only works one-way.

I like this and it makes sense. I mean Winterfell is going to fall next week and most of the forces will be wiped out. I can't see them defeating the night king next week. So they will be a very small force that is running from the white walkers. And to the south is the golden company at full strength. Your idea will then pin both the golden company and our guys between the two undead armies. This would allow the golden company to join up, after Cersi does something stupid and Jaime kills her, for a final stand together somewhere.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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I stopped watching several seasons ago. Was Benjen ever found? Is he a white walker?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
I stopped watching several seasons ago. Was Benjen ever found? Is he a white walker?

Yes. Kinda.

In the books he's called Coldhands, but in the books Coldhands isn't necessarily Benjen
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [scorpio516] [ In reply to ]
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scorpio516 wrote:
BLeP wrote:
I stopped watching several seasons ago. Was Benjen ever found? Is he a white walker?


Yes. Kinda.

In the books he's called Coldhands, but in the books Coldhands isn't necessarily Benjen

Clear as mud. Thanks.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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So, I spent the better part of my lunch hour doing some research (because I'm way too into this). It's probably unprofessional but I actually sent out an email after lunch to some of my colleagues/clients saying that there would be a delay in my replies this afternoon because I was conducting GoT research. This was surprisingly well received.

One of the most significant events we haven't touched on in Game of Thrones is "where" this whole story line started: the Battle of the Trident. It's been referenced twice before... I can't place the first time but it was ~Season 2... and it was just mentioned again in S8E2. Why does the Battle of the Trident matter? That's where Rhaegar Targaryen fell (something to note: they never found his body). That was the official end of the Targaryen dynasty and the beginning of whatever this "age" is in Westeros.

If you go here so the interactive map of Westeros, and look at the location of The Trident, it's nicely between King's Landing and Winterfell. Now let's keep in mind that the dead don't move too fast. A diversionary force couldn't hit Westeros and then have the main force hit King's Landing soon thereafter. From a timing standpoint, the following makes sense to me:
  • A diversionary or splinter army attacks Winterfell
  • Winterfell prevails but when the battle is over they realize the Night King wasn't there.
  • Bran and Daenarys somehow share their past vision of a single dragon flying over King's Landing. They both realize the primary force is marching south. Just like the Knight's Watch "went around" the army of the dead, the army of the dead went around Winterfell.
  • Winterfell sends word to King's Landing entreating Cersei to send her army north to the Trident. Maybe they send Arya south to King's Landing to kill Cersei and wear her face and command the Golden Company to head north (would be a good idea).
  • Somehow, there's a giant final battle at The Trident and that brings the story full circle in a way I don't have the time to type out.

Another bit of "evidence" I have for this is that some of Season 8 was filmed in the exact same locations as Season 1 and 3's "Trident" locations.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Who is the Waif? Iā€™ve been reading some of you think Arya is the Waif...

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [RockyMtnChic] [ In reply to ]
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RockyMtnChic wrote:
Who is the Waif? Iā€™ve been reading some of you think Arya is the Waif...

She is no one.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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Endo wrote:
Yeah, they are going to have to do some really accelerated warp-level travel time to bring the Winterfell and Kings Landing plot lines to a conclusion in just 4 episodes.

This.

For all the fanfare about S8 being shorter in terms of episodes but with longer episodes, so far 2 x 1 hour eps has not been groundbreaking. Plus for my money, these two eps have both basically been fillers. One hour of getting together, one hour of getting to know each other and contemplating the battle.

I have a slightly uneasy feeling that the denouement to this series is going to feel a bit lazy and hurried.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [RockyMtnChic] [ In reply to ]
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RockyMtnChic wrote:
Who is the Waif? Iā€™ve been reading some of you think Arya is the Waif...

The Waif was the female assistant to Jaqen H'ghar at the House of Black and White in Bravos. Arya is not the Waif, there's a lot of holes in that theory. One theory that I don't think is ridiculous is that Jaqen H'ghar is Rhaegar Targaryen. That's not an absurd theory IMO.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
RockyMtnChic wrote:
Who is the Waif? Iā€™ve been reading some of you think Arya is the Waif...


The Waif was the female assistant to Jaqen H'ghar at the House of Black and White in Bravos. Arya is not the Waif, there's a lot of holes in that theory. One theory that I don't think is ridiculous is that Jaqen H'ghar is Rhaegar Targaryen. That's not an absurd theory IMO.

But it gets absurd when you get deeper.
Jaqen was just the name of one of the assassins of the house of black & white. After he give Ayra the coin he changes his face and vanishes forever.
D&B and fans like the actor so much, they rewrote Braavos. in the temple, there is no trace of Jaqen, until D&B wrote him back in.

Could Rhaegar be a disciple of the many faced god, but not "Jaqen"
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [scorpio516] [ In reply to ]
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One theory I heard was that the "little finger" that Arya killed wasn't actually Lord Baelish but a man with no name and that Baelish will make a return to claim the Iron Throne.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Greg66] [ In reply to ]
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4 eighty minute episodes to go

That's really a 7.5 episode season

Biggest battle in cinematic history next week. Then on to KL
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [ECE] [ In reply to ]
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ECE wrote:
One theory I heard was that the "little finger" that Arya killed wasn't actually Lord Baelish but a man with no name and that Baelish will make a return to claim the Iron Throne.

I hope not... that would be not a good ending
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scorpio516 wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
RockyMtnChic wrote:
Who is the Waif? Iā€™ve been reading some of you think Arya is the Waif...


The Waif was the female assistant to Jaqen H'ghar at the House of Black and White in Bravos. Arya is not the Waif, there's a lot of holes in that theory. One theory that I don't think is ridiculous is that Jaqen H'ghar is Rhaegar Targaryen. That's not an absurd theory IMO.


But it gets absurd when you get deeper.
Jaqen was just the name of one of the assassins of the house of black & white. After he give Ayra the coin he changes his face and vanishes forever.
D&B and fans like the actor so much, they rewrote Braavos. in the temple, there is no trace of Jaqen, until D&B wrote him back in.

Could Rhaegar be a disciple of the many faced god, but not "Jaqen"

Rhaegar, in the books, famously wore Ruby crusted armor at the Battle of the Trident. This is significant, in my opinion, because of the scene with Melisandra at Castle Black where she takes off her necklace to reveal that she's very old. That was important for her character but, in my opinion, it also shows us that magic is a thing in this world and that it can be used to change appearances. The fact that in the books Rhaegar wore Ruby crusted armor and they never found his body after the Battle of the Trident... I feel like that was deliberately left open-ended.
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spntrxi wrote:
ECE wrote:
One theory I heard was that the "little finger" that Arya killed wasn't actually Lord Baelish but a man with no name and that Baelish will make a return to claim the Iron Throne.

I hope not... that would be not a good ending

Agreed and thatā€™s terrible. Iā€™d bet that at 1-50 odds.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TimeIsUp] [ In reply to ]
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Martin has based all of this loosely on real life events. Sansa is Elizabeth I of England to me. She's last one standing and gets the throne as an unmarried woman. (I see Dany and Jon killing each other extinguishing the line. Arya whacking Gendry extinguishing the line. Sansa marrying Tyrion again only to be whacked by Bronn with Jamie and Cersi knocking each other off extinguishing the line. The Dorneish are toast and the iron born will pledge fidelity probably after the sister is whacked by the ice dragon or kills her uncle as he kills her effectively extinguishing the line)
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
chriskal wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Agree, how could Sam and/or Bran not realize that the crypt would not be safe? How effed up would that be to have dead Ned, Lyanna, Rickon etc all rise up with everyone in there. Also, when they were going over the battle plan Jon mentioned holding them off with a fire trench, yet the Children of the Forest tried the same thing when they came for Bran and the Three Eyed Raven in Season 6.


Last nights episode was literally the calm before the storm and a chance for some characters to say goodbye (this could be a separate thread with an over/under on who survives).

Some interesting theories out there about Arya's scars and choice of weapon pointing to her really being The Waif.


Bran hasnā€™t exactly been as helpful as he could be. He wouldnā€™t even have to tap into his raven powers to tell them that fire trenches are pretty worthless. Iā€™m also puzzled that nobody even mentioned how they intend to deal with an ice dragon during the battle planning. We didnā€™t see the Night King with his buddies walking up on Winterfell and I kind of assume thatā€™s because heā€™s flying in for the battle.

I was initially a bit sketched out with Arya/Gendry. I kept expecting the scene to cut away with the obvious implication that they got it on well before they started shedding clothes. I didnā€™t realize that she is 22 (looks about 15 though) now and from what Iā€™ve read elsewhere apparently in control and happy over how that went down.


I'm convinced that's because the Night King won't be at the Battle of Winterfell. I think the force moving on Winterfell is a diversionary force. I believe the Night King is marching towards King's Landing. My theory here is multifaceted:
  1. Episode 7 of Season 7 was a defeat for the Night King and a wake-up call for him. A small, rag-tag band of soldiers was able to hold out against his army and three dragons were able to inflict very serious damage. Further, he's now aware that his "enemy" also has Dragon Glass and Valyrian steel. Even if he has a dragon of his own and huge numbers, he has to know he'll be facing a prepared enemy at Winterfell, something he hasn't faced before (at least not during this timeline). A good strategy would be to bypass Winterfell (but keep them occupied) and roll up the rest of Westeros into a truly unstoppable army.
  2. Both Daenrys and Bran have had visions of the shadow of a single dragon flying over Kings Landing. I don't think that's a coincidence or insignificant. Everything in this show is very deliberate. Last night's hookup seen with Arya and Genry was a fulfillment of something Robert Baratheon said all the way back in Season 1 "I have a son, you have a daughter. We should join our houses." Back to the dragon over Kings Landing, that dragon is likely Visyrion. It's hard to come up with a plausible story line for a single dragon over Kings Landing other than the Night King bypassing Winterfell.
  3. From a storytelling perspective, we're kind of boxed in here. Jaime, a seasoned soldier and military commander, has already told us that if the people at Winterfell survive the Golden Company will finish them off. That would be a dumb way to end the show. Also, if the dead prevail and march on Kings Landing, there's no reason to believe the Golden Company would prevail thus leaving the Night King on the Iron Throne. Again, not a great way to end the show.
  4. I think Qyburn was foreshadowing something when he said "the Queen has a sense of poetic justice." What would poetic justice be for Cersei? She planned on both armies annihilating each other. Would it not be poetic justice if she found out both armies were marching on her and she actually had to fight on the same side as Daenarys and the Starks? A great way to end the show would be a battle where the Army of the Dead is sandwiched between The Golden Company and the remnant of Winterfell.
  5. We still need to fulfill two prophecies: Azor Ahai and the Wood's Witch prophecy. The best path I see for this (and others have commented on it as well... at length) is for Jaime Lannister to be Azor Ahai and to kill Cersei.

The song Pod sang at the end is relevant to the Prince Who Was Promised prophecy.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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lol some of the fan theories are ridiculous. the whole waif/arya talk would be a terrible piece of writing. we don't have any emotional investment with the waif and it would be like a scooby-do ending where they unmask the villian: 'if it weren't for you meddling kids". same with the baelish story mentioned above.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart wrote:

Arya: Can DragonFire kill the Walkers?
Bran: I don't know, no one ever tried before

Load of fucking help you are

Also, is that even true? I thought they barbecued up some Walker at the end of last season - the dragon that went down, etc.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [fulla] [ In reply to ]
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fulla wrote:
lol some of the fan theories are ridiculous. the whole waif/arya talk would be a terrible piece of writing. we don't have any emotional investment with the waif and it would be like a scooby-do ending where they unmask the villian: 'if it weren't for you meddling kids". same with the baelish story mentioned above.

Oh and Elizabeth had red hair too
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
RockyMtnChic wrote:
Who is the Waif? Iā€™ve been reading some of you think Arya is the Waif...

The Waif was the female assistant to Jaqen H'ghar at the House of Black and White in Bravos. Arya is not the Waif, there's a lot of holes in that theory. One theory that I don't think is ridiculous is that Jaqen H'ghar is Rhaegar Targaryen. That's not an absurd theory IMO.

Thank you. I knew she was no one, but apparently she is still identifiable.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Martin has based all of this loosely on real life events. Sansa is Elizabeth I of England to me. She's last one standing and gets the throne as an unmarried woman. (I see Dany and Jon killing each other extinguishing the line. Arya whacking Gendry extinguishing the line. Sansa marrying Tyrion again only to be whacked by Bronn with Jamie and Cersi knocking each other off extinguishing the line. The Dorneish are toast and the iron born will pledge fidelity probably after the sister is whacked by the ice dragon or kills her uncle as he kills her effectively extinguishing the line)

Of those, I can guarantee you that Jaime will kill Cersei. I certainly wouldn't bet against Sansa. My personal pick is Tyrion.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
4 eighty minute episodes to go

That's really a 7.5 episode season

Biggest battle in cinematic history next week. Then on to KL

This is one thing that has bugged me so far about season 8. It feels like one long episode. The first two were pretty uneventful, lots of visual scenes, not much dialogue, and the dialogue was pretty corny and unimportant. I'm sure the battle will be one huge CGI fest ala Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, etc. It just doesn't do much for me. You can really tell that there is no deep story line to follow now that they have surpassed the books.

Long Chile was a silly place.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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I think it will be fine

Lots of interesting prescient quotes in first two episodes

Bran: how do you know there's a future

Tyrian: one of you will be wearing this later (the hand)

Sanaa abiut who ruled the north

Sooner daneyrs and jon die the better

It's going tk be good.. The ending was agreed with grrm so I think it will be top notch
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BCtriguy1 wrote:
Andrewmc wrote:
4 eighty minute episodes to go

That's really a 7.5 episode season

Biggest battle in cinematic history next week. Then on to KL


This is one thing that has bugged me so far about season 8. It feels like one long episode. The first two were pretty uneventful, lots of visual scenes, not much dialogue, and the dialogue was pretty corny and unimportant. I'm sure the battle will be one huge CGI fest ala Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, etc. It just doesn't do much for me. You can really tell that there is no deep story line to follow now that they have surpassed the books.

I read yesterday that the upcoming episode is
1.) The longest battle in cinematic history
2.) The largest live-action battle in cinematic history. Far larger than anything that was in The Lord of the Rings
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It is also directed by Miguel Sapochnik, who directed Battle of the Bastards and Hardhome (my favorite of the entire series) so you know the action sequences are going to be unbelievable and literally have you on the edge of your seat.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, and we don't know. He saves Jon Snow at the end of season 7 but we don't see what happens to him.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Yes we do know what happened to him. He put Jon on his horse and then swung his flaming cat o' nine tails thing on the chain to hold off the dead and buy Jon time to get away and was eventually overwhelmed by the dead.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TiDriver] [ In reply to ]
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But we donā€™t see what happens after being overwhelmed. He may be a white walker but not certain.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Martin has based all of this loosely on real life events. Sansa is Elizabeth I of England to me. She's last one standing and gets the throne as an unmarried woman. (I see Dany and Jon killing each other extinguishing the line. Arya whacking Gendry extinguishing the line. Sansa marrying Tyrion again only to be whacked by Bronn with Jamie and Cersi knocking each other off extinguishing the line. The Dorneish are toast and the iron born will pledge fidelity probably after the sister is whacked by the ice dragon or kills her uncle as he kills her effectively extinguishing the line)

He's based it mostly on the War of the Roses, which eventually came out with Henry VII (Elizabeth's grandfather) as King. I can see Sansa ending up as Warden of the North, but with at least 2 Targaryens in play (plus possibly a third in Tyrion) I don't see her on the Iron Throne. The closest analogy to Henry VII in the show is probably Daenerys, as he had never lived in England and won the throne largely due to the backing of overseas forces (the French).
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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As was mentioned several times, the Crypt will be safe. So much so that Sam gave his sword away meaning he will be down there unarmed.... So everyone in the crypt...toast.

Of minor importance but a ghost is the walking dead, so I am pretty sure Ghost the dire wolf will end up fighting for the dead. Is there anyone who Ghost could poetically kill? Perhaps Gendry? Gendry's dad dad did kill Ghost's sister...
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Choose!!!!





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ehh.... I'm not sold that the Crypt will see the dead stored there rise. Look at a character like Varys: kind of unceremonious if he were to just die at the hands of random Stark skeleton rising from the crypt.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Donā€™t the dead that rise have to be killed by a white walker?

I thought someone said that in the episode where Jon visited the wildlings and they were attacked by white walkers.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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The metal cover, that's awesome. Run play list worthy
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ajthomas wrote:
Of minor importance but a ghost is the walking dead, so I am pretty sure Ghost the dire wolf will end up fighting for the dead. Is there anyone who Ghost could poetically kill? Perhaps Gendry? Gendry's dad dad did kill Ghost's sister...

Where the fuck did Nymeria go?




Also, if Arya had been anyone other than Arya, she would've been lunch for the WolfPack ... so there goes The Waif Theory

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and, how about the mass killing of the Frey's? Unless the Waif can wear two faces, that was all Arya.

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and, how about the mass killing of the Frey's? Unless the Waif can wear two faces, that was all Arya.

And it wouldnā€™t make any sense for the waif to run around gleefully fulfilling Aryaā€™s personal vendettas.
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Donā€™t the dead that rise have to be killed by a white walker?

I thought someone said that in the episode where Jon visited the wildlings and they were attacked by white walkers.

Well, I don't think that is established. There is reason they burn all the bodies of people that died north of the wall.
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Where the fuck did Nymeria go?

I'm assuming that Nymeria is going to show up with a pack/army of wolves at some critical point and save Arya.
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davec wrote:
Donā€™t the dead that rise have to be killed by a white walker?

I thought someone said that in the episode where Jon visited the wildlings and they were attacked by white walkers.


No, they don't have to be killed by a Walker. But I think they do have to have some substance to them, not just skeletons, so long dead people may not work. See https://www.polygon.com/...white-walkers-wights

I agree with that article. I never thought the dead in the crypt would rise, but that the Night King, knowing what Bran knows and how Bran used to explore every inch of Winterfell, the dead would find a secret way in.
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bluemonkeytri wrote:
davec wrote:
Donā€™t the dead that rise have to be killed by a white walker?

I thought someone said that in the episode where Jon visited the wildlings and they were attacked by white walkers.


No, they don't have to be killed by a Walker. But I think they do have to have some substance to them, not just skeletons, so long dead people may not work. See https://www.polygon.com/...white-walkers-wights

I agree with that article. I never thought the dead in the crypt would rise, but that the Night King, knowing what Bran knows and how Bran used to explore every inch of Winterfell, the dead would find a secret way in.

We have people being raised from the dead. Bran can time travel. Arya can become anyone she wants to be. We have dragons. One being turned into a zombie. Suffice it to say I think anything is fair game at this point.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TimeIsUp] [ In reply to ]
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TimeIsUp wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
davec wrote:
Donā€™t the dead that rise have to be killed by a white walker?

I thought someone said that in the episode where Jon visited the wildlings and they were attacked by white walkers.


No, they don't have to be killed by a Walker. But I think they do have to have some substance to them, not just skeletons, so long dead people may not work. See https://www.polygon.com/...white-walkers-wights

I agree with that article. I never thought the dead in the crypt would rise, but that the Night King, knowing what Bran knows and how Bran used to explore every inch of Winterfell, the dead would find a secret way in.


We have people being raised from the dead. Bran can time travel. Arya can become anyone she wants to be. We have dragons. One being turned into a zombie. Suffice it to say I think anything is fair game at this point.

Not really. The best sci-fi and fantasy still exists in a world with its own rules. GRRM was very good at that, but then we saw last season with GOT people travel ridiculously far distances in short periods of time, and frankly the fans noticed. Arya can't become anyone she wants, she can only wear the face of someone dead. GOT is at its best when it plays within its world's rules that GRRM has painstakingly established. Now, maybe the WW can raise centuries old Starks in the crypt, but nothing we have seen thus far would say that the WW can also reconstitute flesh on those old corpses, so a deteriorating pile of bones isnt much of a threat. The only recently dead people down there are Rickon and maybe Catelyn.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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bluemonkeytri wrote:
davec wrote:
Donā€™t the dead that rise have to be killed by a white walker?

I thought someone said that in the episode where Jon visited the wildlings and they were attacked by white walkers.


No, they don't have to be killed by a Walker. But I think they do have to have some substance to them, not just skeletons, so long dead people may not work. See https://www.polygon.com/...white-walkers-wights

I agree with that article. I never thought the dead in the crypt would rise, but that the Night King, knowing what Bran knows and how Bran used to explore every inch of Winterfell, the dead would find a secret way in.

I don't know, the wights were basically skeletons outside of the three eyed ravens cave.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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bluemonkeytri wrote:
TimeIsUp wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
davec wrote:
Donā€™t the dead that rise have to be killed by a white walker?

I thought someone said that in the episode where Jon visited the wildlings and they were attacked by white walkers.


No, they don't have to be killed by a Walker. But I think they do have to have some substance to them, not just skeletons, so long dead people may not work. See https://www.polygon.com/...white-walkers-wights

I agree with that article. I never thought the dead in the crypt would rise, but that the Night King, knowing what Bran knows and how Bran used to explore every inch of Winterfell, the dead would find a secret way in.


We have people being raised from the dead. Bran can time travel. Arya can become anyone she wants to be. We have dragons. One being turned into a zombie. Suffice it to say I think anything is fair game at this point.


Not really. The best sci-fi and fantasy still exists in a world with its own rules. GRRM was very good at that, but then we saw last season with GOT people travel ridiculously far distances in short periods of time, and frankly the fans noticed. Arya can't become anyone she wants, she can only wear the face of someone dead. GOT is at its best when it plays within its world's rules that GRRM has painstakingly established. Now, maybe the WW can raise centuries old Starks in the crypt, but nothing we have seen thus far would say that the WW can also reconstitute flesh on those old corpses, so a deteriorating pile of bones isnt much of a threat. The only recently dead people down there are Rickon and maybe Catelyn.

I don't disagree about existing within rules, but fans have blown apart so much in the GoT world I will not be surprised at anything that happens. It's fun to try to piece everything together with known facts. I think we are in for some surprises that doesn't seem to make much sense. Of course some will try to rationalize it and some will blow it apart. The passion is what makes this show so popular.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TimeIsUp] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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I want Tyrion & Arya to face the Night King like this



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Biggest battle in cinematic history next week.

I'm not sure next week will resolve much



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Nope. Will resolve nothing but I think we know how it ends for Sir Briane
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Nope. Will resolve nothing but I think we know how it ends for Sir Briane

The over/under on who gets killed next episode. My predictions based solely on "This is why we can't have nice things" theory: Brianne, Theon, Greyworm, and Tormund.

No smiles and future happy ending plans go unpunished....

I'm sure there will be others, but those are at the top of my prospect list.
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And greyworms girl friend
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Endo wrote:
Andrewmc wrote:
Nope. Will resolve nothing but I think we know how it ends for Sir Briane


The over/under on who gets killed next episode. My predictions based solely on "This is why we can't have nice things" theory: Brianne, Theon, Greyworm, and Tormund.

No smiles and future happy ending plans go unpunished....

I'm sure there will be others, but those are at the top of my prospect list.

Tormund may survive, I think they need to keep at least wildling around. But I do think Davos is going to die.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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I think Dany will instruct one of the Dothraki or Unsullied to friendly fire Jon Snow on the battlefield. She can act the grieving widow, curry favor with the Stark sisters, and secure her claim on the Iron Throne all in one fell swoop.

Then Bran, who survives, outs her. She loses support among her followers (a la Stannis and his burning of Shireen). Cersei wins.
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I think Dany will instruct one of the Dothraki or Unsullied to friendly fire Jon Snow on the battlefield. She can act the grieving widow, curry favor with the Stark sisters, and secure her claim on the Iron Throne all in one fell swoop.

Then Bran, who survives, outs her. She loses support among her followers (a la Stannis and his burning of Shireen). Cersei wins.

I think there is something to this. I keep getting the sense that it is just a matter of time before she shows herself to be "just one of them" trying to get the crown and be the most powerful person. In Episode 2 I feel it was emphasized a lot that she was different than all the others before her, but I get the sense she is becoming more power hungry and impatient. I think she is going to order someone to do something that isn't good and virtuous and that will be her downfall. Remember, everyone fights for her as "free" men and women. So really they can leave at any moment.
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I hate to say it but agree that Davos dies. He skipped his usual pre-battle routine of walking all night and shitting his guts out (unless of course he had already done that and came in by the fire to get warm). Definitely Theon and Greyworm; not in this episode for Jaime but I think definitely by the end.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Either Jamie or Tyrion needs to kill Cersei, per the witch's prophecy, so at least one of them needs to stick around for at least another episode.
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M~ wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
I think Dany will instruct one of the Dothraki or Unsullied to friendly fire Jon Snow on the battlefield. She can act the grieving widow, curry favor with the Stark sisters, and secure her claim on the Iron Throne all in one fell swoop.

Then Bran, who survives, outs her. She loses support among her followers (a la Stannis and his burning of Shireen). Cersei wins.

I think there is something to this. I keep getting the sense that it is just a matter of time before she shows herself to be "just one of them" trying to get the crown and be the most powerful person. In Episode 2 I feel it was emphasized a lot that she was different than all the others before her, but I get the sense she is becoming more power hungry and impatient. I think she is going to order someone to do something that isn't good and virtuous and that will be her downfall. Remember, everyone fights for her as "free" men and women. So really they can leave at any moment.

Part of me wonders if Jon and Dany are both going to die. The whole show has been one big set up for both of them to be on the Iron Throne. If this show/ book has taught us anything it's that the moment you think a character is safe is when they get the axe.
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Either Jamie or Tyrion needs to kill Cersei, per the witch's prophecy, so at least one of them needs to stick around for at least another episode.

There is nothing to say that one of them can't still do that as a blue eyed white walker.
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Ok, fair enough. I guess though this means that Bronn will at least be partly unsuccessful
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Ok, fair enough. I guess though this means that Bronn will at least be partly unsuccessful

Or he is, that's when they turn, and then she brings about her own demise. There is something quite satisfying about her having a very gruesome death. She was so much worse in the books, I can't wait till she gets what's due.
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Here's my theory of at least part of this.

First you're not going to see a battle at Winterfell tomorrow night, as you didn't see anything of KL in the last episode. They're going to make you wait for the epic battle of living and dead, maybe...

We know Cersei has a spy in the Targaryan inner circle, I'm assuming that spy is Varys, this was established when Cersei knew that Tyrion would be meeting with Jamie at KL before it happened. This being said we have to assume that Cersei knows what they know at Winterfell about the Night King having the dragon and the power of the dragon glass against the walkers.

I believe they're preparing in KL to face the dragon(s) with those giant crossbows that almost took out one of them earlier in season 7, except now fitting them with dragon glass tips to take out the dead dragon and eventually the Night King himself. The Night King will attack KL as others have proposed, and lose based on this and the fact that he can't animate any of the KL dead because the dragon will have burned up all his potential reinforcements.

The dead will eventually be defeated in both places but after considerable loss on both sides.
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A few things:
Sapochnik is directing episode 3. Since he's directed most of the major battles, it's fair to assume that he's directing the battle of winterfell. He's also spoken on how he directed it. It's a fair bet the battle will happen in episode 3. All 82 minutes of it.

We don't know Cersei has a spy in the Daenrys camp. It's reasonable to assume she knew about Jaime and Tyrions meeting via Qyburn and his little birds, esp since it was in Kings Landing.

We do know the ballisters are for killing dragons. Qyburn has been explicit in this, and one was taken to Highgarden to defend the Lannister troops against dragon attack. Didn't kill a dragon, but did prove it could injure one.

We don't know if Kings Landing has any dragon glass, but we do know it's rare. They may have none. The only known deposit was at Dragonstone, which has probably been mined dry by the North.

Similarly, I don't think the Night King needs to kill everyone in KL with a zombie dragon. He just needs to kill and animate enough to kill everyone else.

The more interesting question for me is wondering wtf the golden company and Euron are going to do when a dead dragon comes rolling up and the ballisters don't kill it.

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So why isn't Bran in the Vale? Put him and the unsullied in there. When the path is filled with undead just dump buring oil down the channel until they're all done. Night King couldn't approach since two dragons and dragonglass AA. This would seem like the sensible solution
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Arya kills the night king by stabbing him in the back with a dagger
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [the metazoan] [ In reply to ]
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So far meh....
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Also why no wild fire?
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Also their close in air support blows
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Arya is going to kill Nk
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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ALL RIGHT ARYA!! But is it me or is the writing not quite as good.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [the metazoan] [ In reply to ]
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the metazoan wrote:
Arya kills the night king by stabbing him in the back with a dagger

Arya for the win!

Episode was hard to follow with the lighting, had to shut off the lights in the TV room to follow it better. They aren't going to have much of an army left to go to Kings Landing where they lost all of the Dothraki plus a lot of the Unsullied.



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I agree. It is not good when you can see the ending a mile away. And then they didnā€™t have the courage to write off a major character. What was the point of having the dead in the crypt rise only to have Sansa and Tyrion survive?

Only because I thought they did a great job with the music so I give this episode a passing grade.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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I felt like I was watching it through a storm of locusts.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Brian in MA wrote:
the metazoan wrote:
Arya kills the night king by stabbing him in the back with a dagger

Arya for the win!

Episode was hard to follow with the lighting, had to shut off the lights in the TV room to follow it better. They aren't going to have much of an army left to go to Kings Landing where they lost all of the Dothraki plus a lot of the Unsullied.

The Dothraki charge actually pissed me off. The absolute worst utilization of cavalry since maybe Waterloo
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Nice touch that the dagger that was supposed to kill Bran ended up saving him.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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ajthomas wrote:
I agree. It is not good when you can see the ending a mile away. And then they didnā€™t have the courage to write off a major character. What was the point of having the dead in the crypt rise only to have Sansa and Tyrion survive?

Only because I thought they did a great job with the music so I give this episode a passing grade.

I know, for the last 10 minutes all I could think was, come on Arya where are you. lol Still though for TV it's a efing great show!
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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I thought the same thing about the Vale.

So I am uncertain: how many dragons are left?
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ajthomas wrote:
I agree. It is not good when you can see the ending a mile away. And then they didnā€™t have the courage to write off a major character. What was the point of having the dead in the crypt rise only to have Sansa and Tyrion survive?

Only because I thought they did a great job with the music so I give this episode a passing grade.

They killed off my favorite though, the girl from Bear Island
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ajthomas wrote:
I thought the same thing about the Vale.

So I am uncertain: how many dragons are left?

At least one but I suspect Rhaegal is still alive too.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Brian in MA wrote:
the metazoan wrote:
Arya kills the night king by stabbing him in the back with a dagger


Arya for the win!

Episode was hard to follow with the lighting, had to shut off the lights in the TV room to follow it better. They aren't going to have much of an army left to go to Kings Landing where they lost all of the Dothraki plus a lot of the Unsullied.

Lord of Light, bless our televisions with your light. For the lighting is dark and full of... eh... lacking details!


Don't forget Daenarys has a reserve army in Mereen, the Second Sons.
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GreenPlease wrote:
ajthomas wrote:
I thought the same thing about the Vale.

So I am uncertain: how many dragons are left?

At least one but I suspect Rhaegal is still alive too.

Doubt it. There was only one dragon shadow over KL in the premonition so prob just Drogon.

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ajthomas wrote:
Arya is going to kill Nk

Good call. I don't even care all of my predictions were wrong. I actually thought the episode was awesome. Truth be told, the emotional swing at the beginning with the Dothraki really kind of set the stage. I was like "holy crap, they might actually win" when Melissandra lit their swords. Then... the way they just disappeared in the distance... that was actually terrifying.
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So I was wrong, the crypts were actually the safest place in winterfell. I mean, it would have been safer if they burned all the bodies down there before the battle, like a thoughtful person would do.
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What about Brienne? I thought she died twice, only to see her again. Now I am uncertain.

My old eyes suck...
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ajthomas wrote:
What about Brienne? I thought she died twice, only to see her again. Now I am uncertain.

My old eyes suck...

She lived and so did Jaime and Podrick. They show all three of them briefly after the Night King dies.
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GrimOopNorth wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
ajthomas wrote:
I thought the same thing about the Vale.

So I am uncertain: how many dragons are left?


At least one but I suspect Rhaegal is still alive too.


Doubt it. There was only one dragon shadow over KL in the premonition so prob just Drogon.

I know, and that vision has to be significant since we've seen it twice. Still... I just have a feeling Rhaegal made it.
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Yeah she's alive. As is Tormund. Lucky Brienne.

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GrimOopNorth wrote:
Yeah she's alive. As is Tormund. Lucky Brienne.

Ah but is Arya?
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50+ wrote:
GrimOopNorth wrote:
Yeah she's alive. As is Tormund. Lucky Brienne.


Ah but is Arya?


Not today.




As in... what do we say to the God of Death

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So fitting "eyes you will shut forever. Brown eyes, green eyes... blue eyes"
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She got Ayras right, Stannis' wrong, so she's not got bad odds.

She can pick my lottery numbers this weekend.

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ajthomas wrote:
I agree. It is not good when you can see the ending a mile away. And then they didnā€™t have the courage to write off a major character. What was the point of having the dead in the crypt rise only to have Sansa and Tyrion survive?

Only because I thought they did a great job with the music so I give this episode a passing grade.

My son made the comment, "I'm not real impressed with the fight scenes, they're too dark, but the music has definitely been on point."

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50+ wrote:
GrimOopNorth wrote:
Yeah she's alive. As is Tormund. Lucky Brienne.

Ah but is Arya?

Uh wasn't she in a vingette at the end?
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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So I didn't like the episode after a little contemplation.

Tactics were garbage

Arya FLYING in at the last moment to save EVERYONE

The dead in the crypt actually coming alive but apparently useless

Too dark couldn't tell what was going on

Jon saved at the last moment TWICE

Everyone else saved once

Lady in Eed lighting the trenches at the last moment

Too many zombies, I mean seriously where did they all come from (think of the size of winterfell and the depth of their ranks).

Nothing of note happened that was unexpected

I felt the episode was over-hyped and poorly written but executed well
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windywave wrote:
So I didn't like the episode after a little contemplation.

Tactics were garbage

Arya FLYING in at the last moment to save EVERYONE

The dead in the crypt actually coming alive but apparently useless

Too dark couldn't tell what was going on

Jon saved at the last moment TWICE

Everyone else saved once

Lady in Eed lighting the trenches at the last moment

Too many zombies, I mean seriously where did they all come from (think of the size of winterfell and the depth of their ranks).

Nothing of note happened that was unexpected

I felt the episode was over-hyped and poorly written but executed well

agree with all of this

I would add: the lighting sucked and zero chance all heroes are on the front lines and everyone survives. Not believable at all.
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TimeIsUp wrote:
windywave wrote:
So I didn't like the episode after a little contemplation.

Tactics were garbage

Arya FLYING in at the last moment to save EVERYONE

The dead in the crypt actually coming alive but apparently useless

Too dark couldn't tell what was going on

Jon saved at the last moment TWICE

Everyone else saved once

Lady in Eed lighting the trenches at the last moment

Too many zombies, I mean seriously where did they all come from (think of the size of winterfell and the depth of their ranks).

Nothing of note happened that was unexpected

I felt the episode was over-hyped and poorly written but executed well

agree with all of this

I would add: the lighting sucked and zero chance all heroes are on the front lines and everyone survives. Not believable at all.

X3.

I thought there were some great moments. The Dothraki going dark, the wights sacrificing themselves for the fire bridge....

But the ending? Dumb.
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I thought the same thing about the Vale.

So I am uncertain: how many dragons are left?

In the preview for the next episode there are 2 dragons flying overhead. So Iā€™m going with both survive.

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Worst use of lighting ever. I guess they had a limited budget so wrapped the whole battle in darkness and flying shit. Lame.

Worst use of dragons in a fight since....ever.

Really, we only lose Jorda and Theon in all of that mess?

The night walkers generals really played no part in the battle at all that I could tell.

I guess we really don't learn anything more about the night king.

I hope Arya gets laid (again) after that win.
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ALL RIGHT ARYA!! But is it me or is the writing not quite as good.

I thought the writing was good for this episode. Much better than the fan theories that the NK was not at winterfell and had gone to kings landing, and i think it was a good idea to kill him now as GOT has always been about the shades of grey in humanity rather than black and white (ie good vs evil). i'm much more interested in how the rest of it was going to play out. i think there is going to be more fallout than just cersei vs the rest.
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also with the lighting, i thought that was perhaps a signal that winter was here, with the dawn showing it was over. but yes was damned hard to follow. im not a fan of quick cut scenes to give a sense of urgency and action either.
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Endo wrote:
Worst use of lighting ever. I guess they had a limited budget so wrapped the whole battle in darkness and flying shit. Lame.

Worst use of dragons in a fight since....ever.

Really, we only lose Jorda and Theon in all of that mess?

The night walkers generals really played no part in the battle at all that I could tell.

I guess we really don't learn anything more about the night king.

I hope Arya gets laid (again) after that win.
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Ayra for T3!

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Layana Mormont wen5 our in style taking a giant with her.

Disappointing episode. Plot holes galore.

78 minutes of battle and Arya comes out of nowhere to save the day. Yeah, right.

New theory: Sam ends up sitting on the iron throne.
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I am quite sure that what I watched last night was not GOT.
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Layana Mormont wen5 our in style taking a giant with her.

Disappointing episode. Plot holes galore.

78 minutes of battle and Arya comes out of nowhere to save the day. Yeah, right.

New theory: Sam ends up sitting on the iron throne.

Didn't he spend the whole episode crying?
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I was hoping that Bran had a little crossbow under his robes.

ā€œRead the transcript.ā€
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I was hoping that Bran had a little crossbow under his robes.

Did Gilly die. Thought that was her but couldnt tell
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You guys are a tough crowd.
It was a great episode. Lyanna being a badass until the end. Arya being a badass.
And the first 10min or so build up was incredible and tensed.
I liked it a lot.

I just donā€™t know whatā€™s going to happen in the next 3 now.

As for not believable... really thatā€™s a comment about a TV with people fighting zombies with dragons?
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So I didn't like the episode after a little contemplation.

Tactics were garbage

Arya FLYING in at the last moment to save EVERYONE

The dead in the crypt actually coming alive but apparently useless

Too dark couldn't tell what was going on

Jon saved at the last moment TWICE

Everyone else saved once

Lady in Eed lighting the trenches at the last moment

Too many zombies, I mean seriously where did they all come from (think of the size of winterfell and the depth of their ranks).

Nothing of note happened that was unexpected

I felt the episode was over-hyped and poorly written but executed well

I agree and I pretty much called it as well.
Episode could have been an hour with no loss to the story.

It was just a long, poorly lit, hard to follow battle scene. The episode was very formulaic, much like the rest of season 8 so far.

Pretty disappointing.

The opening of the battle with all those flaming swords being extinguished one by one was pretty cool though.

Long Chile was a silly place.
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windywave wrote:
So I didn't like the episode after a little contemplation.

Tactics were garbage

Arya FLYING in at the last moment to save EVERYONE

The dead in the crypt actually coming alive but apparently useless

Too dark couldn't tell what was going on

Jon saved at the last moment TWICE

Everyone else saved once

Lady in Eed lighting the trenches at the last moment

Too many zombies, I mean seriously where did they all come from (think of the size of winterfell and the depth of their ranks).

Nothing of note happened that was unexpected

I felt the episode was over-hyped and poorly written but executed well

I agree and I pretty much called it as well.
Episode could have been an hour with no loss to the story.

It was just a long, poorly lit, hard to follow battle scene. The episode was very formulaic, much like the rest of season 8 so far.

Pretty disappointing.

The opening of the battle with all those flaming swords being extinguished one by one was pretty cool though.

If they held the hoard in reserve a couple of miles away and then they swept in on the flank when the undead army was stuck against the trench.... that would have been a cool scene.

Also the fire artillery was used for one fucking salvo? No defense against scaling the walls? Read a book or two on medieval siege warfare before writing the script
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I am quite sure that what I watched last night was not GOT.

It was not. It was GOT characters in a LOTR battle scene.

Long Chile was a silly place.
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bluemonkeytri wrote:
I am quite sure that what I watched last night was not GOT.


It was not. It was GOT characters in a LOTR battle scene.

Yep. Or any other fantasy story ever written. The first 10 mins or so were great, I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the battle. The flaming swords were also great, but as many have pointed out, that was a complete waste of the Dothraki. The battle was hard to follow, hard to see anything, and Ayra jumping from out of nowhere to easily kill the Night King? WTF? Did the rest of the White Walkers do anything at all? For a series that has consistently avoided the familiar tropes, isn't the "hive mind" kill one and kill them all the biggest trope of all? The Night King was just standing out in the open, with nobody around him. Bran could have had a knife or blade hidden under his cloak or in his chair.

And Bran, WTH dude? Biggest battle of all time going on and I just warg into ravens the whole time with apparently no ability to actually convey and utilize the info you might see? Did he just have them all fly to a brothel and watch sex through the windows?
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Agree with holding the Dothraki in reserve, what they did was clearly scripted for effect. That said it was a pretty extreme emotional swing and really gave you a ā€œoh crapā€ moment.

Leana Mormont went out like a boss and I thought the way Theon held his ground and then Bran telling him ā€œyouā€™re a good manā€ was a very fitting end for that character.

Iā€™m very conflicted about Arya. I actually donā€™t think itā€™s ridiculous that she would fly in like that. Thereā€™s a ton of support in the story to the idea she can move quickly and stealthily plus she has the Catā€™s Paw dagger which we see in the book which also contains the information about Dragon Glass. There was also some story buildup to date with Melissandra saying ā€œeyes you will shut forever; brown eyes, green eyes, blue eyes.ā€ The thing that bothers me about Arya and the Night King is how they threw away the whole Azor Ahai prophecy.
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There's a good piece on Vulture this morning that says the same as far as Arya/Azor Ahai prophecy as you just noted. I think the darkness was intentional to add to the confusion/fog of war in fighting at night. Sapochnik's previous work on the show literally puts the viewer right in the middle of the battle so in this element I think it served a purpose.

When the Dothraki led the charge across the field, I said to my wife that this isn't going to work since in their previous battles at Mereen and at the loot train, their charge alone would scare the shit out of their opponent, and now they were charging an army that has no fear. The dramatic effect though of seeing the torches go out one by one from afar and immediate silence was still pretty cool though.

Melisandre's pep talk to Arya was a callback to Season 3 from when they first met, and the quick knife drop/hand switch was also from her sparring session with Brienne last season.

Three long episodes left now with a fraction of their armies left to head to King's Landing against 20,000 Golden Company soldiers plus Euron and his fleet. My guess is they send word to Yara and also to Mereen for Daario and the Second Sons to help close the deal.



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bluemonkeytri wrote:
I am quite sure that what I watched last night was not GOT.


It was not. It was GOT characters in a LOTR battle scene.


I'm trying to think how the writers and directors could have done any better in distancing themselves from that inevitable comparison.

Winterfell happened at night, unlike Helm's Deep (that started in daylight, IIRC?), and so darkness was inevitable, and they seemed intent on using realistic lighting for every scene. I'm thinking major night battles in the Iron Age probably were quite dark and chaotic, as depicted. They frequently broke away from mass combat to follow the personal storylines, and genre switched frequently (action, horror, suspense, etc.) without any of it seeming jarringly out of place.

Aside from the visuals of Arya CGI-leaping onto the Night King, I thought the episode delivered as promised, which was a massive feat, living up to the hype. They went soft on dispatching central players when they should have been killed off, but I suspect we'll see that play out in the final battle for the Iron Throne.

At this point I'm rooting for Cersei, if the alternative is Jon or Dany. They're getting worse by the episode.

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RE: Lighting.
I watched last night on my GF's old LCD tele. and agree with all the lighting comments. I was twisting and turning my head and squinting my eyes, etc. It was horrible.
Tonight I am going to re-watch on my LED 4k Display.
Will report back after.
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sphere wrote:
BCtriguy1 wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
I am quite sure that what I watched last night was not GOT.


It was not. It was GOT characters in a LOTR battle scene.


I'm trying to think how the writers and directors could have done any better in distancing themselves from that inevitable comparison.

Winterfell happened at night, unlike Helm's Deep (that started in daylight, IIRC?), and so darkness was inevitable, and they seemed intent on using realistic lighting for every scene. I'm thinking major night battles in the Iron Age probably were quite dark and chaotic, as depicted. They frequently broke away from mass combat to follow the personal storylines, and genre switched frequently (action, horror, suspense, etc.) without any of it seeming jarringly out of place.

Aside from the visuals of Arya CGI-leaping onto the Night King, I thought the episode delivered as promised, which was a massive feat, living up to the hype. They went soft on dispatching central players when they should have been killed off, but I suspect we'll see that play out in the final battle for the Iron Throne.

At this point I'm rooting for Cersei, if the alternative is Jon or Dany. They're getting worse by the episode.

Helm's Deep started at night (in the movie) and ended at sunrise when Gandalf and the banished Rohirrim charged. In the books it was the Huorns that built a forest in the night that hemmed in the armies of Saruman and then Gandalf charged.
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I've held the opinion for a long time, that the fan-theories have far far outpaced the show's writing abilities and creativity and even JRRM himself to deliver.

We are doomed to be disappointed in the story-line, relative to the theories that are out there. There is no way the show can match up to all the very detailed and creative fan theories out there that we have all created and lived with for all these years. We will be left with a ton of unanswered questions.

Last night's episode was a big example of this. It could have been an opportunity where a lot was answered or clarified...more backstory, motive, plot lines, theories, etc...

Instead we basically got an extremely straight forward, run of the mill (plot wise) battle of good vs evil. Done. Nothing more. Good triumphs. No new information learned, except the folks in Winterfell are horrible strategists and a few main characters removed themselves of any effectiveness in the battle (I'm looking at you Jon, Dany, Bran, dragons, Dothraki).

I'll give the Dorthraki incident a bit of a pass since it was purely scripted for visual effect and it was pretty cool to see them snuffed out like that, but still. Dumb.

And WTF up is with Ghost the Direwolf. It really appears they threw him in as a CGI as an afterthought in the last two episodes because, oops, we forgot about the wolves. And he charges w/ the Dothraki? Headscratcher, what a waste.

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I've held the opinion for a long time, that the fan-theories have far far outpaced the show's writing abilities and creativity and even JRRM himself to deliver.

We are doomed to be disappointed in the story-line, relative to the theories that are out there. There is no way the show can match up to all the very detailed and creative fan theories out there that we have all created and lived with for all these years. We will be left with a ton of unanswered questions.

Last night's episode was a big example of this. It could have been an opportunity where a lot was answered or clarified...more backstory, motive, plot lines, theories, etc...

Instead we basically got an extremely straight forward, run of the mill (plot wise) battle of good vs evil. Done. Nothing more. Good triumphs. No new information learned, except the folks in Winterfell are horrible strategists and a few main characters removed themselves of any effectiveness in the battle (I'm looking at you Jon, Dany, Bran, dragons, Dothraki).

I'll give the Dorthraki incident a bit of a pass since it was purely scripted for visual effect and it was pretty cool to see them snuffed out like that, but still. Dumb.

And WTF up is with Ghost the Direwolf. It really appears they threw him in as a CGI as an afterthought in the last two episodes because, oops, we forgot about the wolves. And he charges w/ the Dothraki? Headscratcher, what a waste.

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But he survived, you can see him briefly in the trailer for next week.
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The episode was very formulaic, much like the rest of season 8 so far.

Pretty disappointing.

The opening of the battle with all those flaming swords being extinguished one by one was pretty cool though.

It's been awfully formulaic and predictable and disappointing since they outpaced the books years ago.
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Endo wrote:

And WTF up is with Ghost the Direwolf. It really appears they threw him in as a CGI as an afterthought in the last two episodes because, oops, we forgot about the wolves. And he charges w/ the Dothraki? Headscratcher, what a waste.

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But he survived, you can see him briefly in the trailer for next week.

Ah, ok, I missed seeing that.


My approach I think for the next 3 episodes is to just let go of thinking of potential plot lines, and just try to enjoy it as it is delivered. We'll see how I do with that. :+)
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I wouldn't say Dany removed herself from effectiveness in battle. She saved Jon's ass, gave the Night King a fire bath, and held her own with Jora in the field. I'd actually say she slugged it out just as well as Greyworm, Barrick, Brienne, Jamie, Theon, etc. especially considering that she's not even a trained soldier. If anything it was Jon that was ineffective.
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Endo wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
Endo wrote:


And WTF up is with Ghost the Direwolf. It really appears they threw him in as a CGI as an afterthought in the last two episodes because, oops, we forgot about the wolves. And he charges w/ the Dothraki? Headscratcher, what a waste.

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But he survived, you can see him briefly in the trailer for next week.


Ah, ok, I missed seeing that.


My approach I think for the next 3 episodes is to just let go of thinking of potential plot lines, and just try to enjoy it as it is delivered. We'll see how I do with that. :+)

I missed it too, he's deep in a crowd, had to see it in a Ringer article (behind Sam and Dany):


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If anything it was Jon that was ineffective.

Good point - he made a similar mistake in the Battle of the Bastards by running out in the middle of the field by himself to get Rickon, yet he fell into Ramsay's trap where that was by design so he'd be out in the open by himself when the cavalry charged. He wound up on his own in the middle of the dead trying to charge the Night King before he raised his arms and brought them all back to life around him.

Also agree that Dany did surprisingly well on the ground in up close combat where her previous experience was always in raining fire from above.



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BCtriguy1 wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
I am quite sure that what I watched last night was not GOT.


It was not. It was GOT characters in a LOTR battle scene.


Yep. Or any other fantasy story ever written. The first 10 mins or so were great, I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the battle. The flaming swords were also great, but as many have pointed out, that was a complete waste of the Dothraki. The battle was hard to follow, hard to see anything, and Ayra jumping from out of nowhere to easily kill the Night King? WTF? Did the rest of the White Walkers do anything at all? For a series that has consistently avoided the familiar tropes, isn't the "hive mind" kill one and kill them all the biggest trope of all? The Night King was just standing out in the open, with nobody around him. Bran could have had a knife or blade hidden under his cloak or in his chair.

And Bran, WTH dude? Biggest battle of all time going on and I just warg into ravens the whole time with apparently no ability to actually convey and utilize the info you might see? Did he just have them all fly to a brothel and watch sex through the windows?


Maybe someone can help me here? So the whole purpose of the NK was to find Bran? Why? I know the fan theories about their connection but their brief encounter, in this episode, did nothing to explain why the NK sought out Bran specifically.

Also, as you stated about him becoming the three eyed raven, what was the purpose of that? They showed the ravens flying around, and Bran with the white eyes, but nothing more. It was almost like it was wasted fodder for screen time? Really makes me wonder if the producers are trying to throw us off thinking all that's left is the battle with Cersei, and there could be more to the Bran story??? Otherwise, a big hole in the plot or nothing.
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<<Maybe someone can help me here? So the whole purpose of the NK was to find Bran? Why? I know the fan theories about their connection but their brief encounter, in this episode, did nothing to explain why the NK sought out Bran specifically.>>



Explanation from an episode or two ago is basically that the Night King wants to erase humanity and all memory of it. Since Bran/Three Eyed Raven has the ability to move forward and backward through time and warg into other people/things, he's sort of a super-repository of the history of Westeros/humanity. So if you're trying to erase humanity and all memory of it and usher in endless night, killing Bran/the Three Eyed Raven is a good place to start. At least that was the dialog between Bran and Tyrion...
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If anything it was Jon that was ineffective.

Good point - he made a similar mistake in the Battle of the Bastards by running out in the middle of the field by himself to get Rickon, yet he fell into Ramsay's trap where that was by design so he'd be out in the open by himself when the cavalry charged. He wound up on his own in the middle of the dead trying to charge the Night King before he raised his arms and brought them all back to life around him.

Also agree that Dany did surprisingly well on the ground in up close combat where her previous experience was always in raining fire from above.

If you listened to the after-show comments from the writers/directors, they say that Dany actually pulled a Jon in last night's fight. When she saw the Dothraki being wiped out, she hopped on her dragon and charged in. They said that was not part of the battle plan. They said that by her doing that, everything started to unravel in Winterfell's battle plan by Dany jumping into the fray early and pulling Jon with her (since he followed her).

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I thought the White Walkers 'sacrificing' themselves to build a bridge through the fire pit was good tactic. Really created a second 'oh fuck now what?' after the Dothraki horde was snuffed out.

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Arya FLYING in at the last moment to save EVERYONE

I mean Arya had been training for years to be a deadly and unseen assassin, it also fulfilled multiple prophetic lines from early in the show, I don't see why people are having a problem with it. I mean they have been showing how good she is at sneaking up on people multiple times over the last couple seasons. Doing that same knife move last season when sparing. She was told previously that she will permanently close blue eyes and the whole what do we say to death, when they kept saying the night king was the embodiment of death. What more do people want to set that scene up?
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Endo wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
If anything it was Jon that was ineffective.

Good point - he made a similar mistake in the Battle of the Bastards by running out in the middle of the field by himself to get Rickon, yet he fell into Ramsay's trap where that was by design so he'd be out in the open by himself when the cavalry charged. He wound up on his own in the middle of the dead trying to charge the Night King before he raised his arms and brought them all back to life around him.

Also agree that Dany did surprisingly well on the ground in up close combat where her previous experience was always in raining fire from above.


If you listened to the after-show comments from the writers/directors, they say that Dany actually pulled a Jon in last night's fight. When she saw the Dothraki being wiped out, she hopped on her dragon and charged in. They said that was not part of the battle plan. They said that by her doing that, everything started to unravel in Winterfell's battle plan by Dany jumping into the fray early and pulling Jon with her (since he followed her).

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But for a show that has painstakingly adhered to details, shouldn't that have been made more narratively obvious?
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RE: Lighting.
I watched last night on my GF's old LCD tele. and agree with all the lighting comments. I was twisting and turning my head and squinting my eyes, etc. It was horrible.
Tonight I am going to re-watch on my LED 4k Display.
Will report back after.

I watched on an iPad. I had to turn up the brightness significantly.

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bluemonkeytri wrote:
Endo wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
If anything it was Jon that was ineffective.

Good point - he made a similar mistake in the Battle of the Bastards by running out in the middle of the field by himself to get Rickon, yet he fell into Ramsay's trap where that was by design so he'd be out in the open by himself when the cavalry charged. He wound up on his own in the middle of the dead trying to charge the Night King before he raised his arms and brought them all back to life around him.

Also agree that Dany did surprisingly well on the ground in up close combat where her previous experience was always in raining fire from above.


If you listened to the after-show comments from the writers/directors, they say that Dany actually pulled a Jon in last night's fight. When she saw the Dothraki being wiped out, she hopped on her dragon and charged in. They said that was not part of the battle plan. They said that by her doing that, everything started to unravel in Winterfell's battle plan by Dany jumping into the fray early and pulling Jon with her (since he followed her).

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But for a show that has painstakingly adhered to details, shouldn't that have been made more narratively obvious?

I thought it was communicated well when you saw Jon's face as she walked to drogon, it said, "you are messing up the plan, but you are doing something I would so, so I understand."
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JSA wrote:
satchmo wrote:
RE: Lighting.
I watched last night on my GF's old LCD tele. and agree with all the lighting comments. I was twisting and turning my head and squinting my eyes, etc. It was horrible.
Tonight I am going to re-watch on my LED 4k Display.
Will report back after.

I watched on an iPad.

WTF?
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Endo wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
If anything it was Jon that was ineffective.

Good point - he made a similar mistake in the Battle of the Bastards by running out in the middle of the field by himself to get Rickon, yet he fell into Ramsay's trap where that was by design so he'd be out in the open by himself when the cavalry charged. He wound up on his own in the middle of the dead trying to charge the Night King before he raised his arms and brought them all back to life around him.

Also agree that Dany did surprisingly well on the ground in up close combat where her previous experience was always in raining fire from above.


If you listened to the after-show comments from the writers/directors, they say that Dany actually pulled a Jon in last night's fight. When she saw the Dothraki being wiped out, she hopped on her dragon and charged in. They said that was not part of the battle plan. They said that by her doing that, everything started to unravel in Winterfell's battle plan by Dany jumping into the fray early and pulling Jon with her (since he followed her).

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But for a show that has painstakingly adhered to details, shouldn't that have been made more narratively obvious?

Yep.

The episode was a huge disappointment. The tactics were ridiculous. Leaving Theon to guard Bran? Really? Theon?

Bran was sitting there calm as can be because he already saw the battle and saw the outcome. He knew Theon would die. He knew Arya would save the day in the last minute.

But, the battle kinda sucked.

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I thought the White Walkers 'sacrificing' themselves to build a bridge through the fire pit was good tactic. Really created a second 'oh fuck now what?' after the Dothraki horde was snuffed out.

Yah. The writers have leveraged the broader societal zombie fascination, I think. That self-sacrifice bridge and going up the walls on piles of zombie dead reminded me of the zombies breaching the walls of Jerusalem in World War Z.

I generally agree with the criticisms in this thread of the episode, but still thought it was a reasonably well done episode, or at least not terrible. The darkness and trouble seeing details I think was intentional, a deepening of the cinematography in the Battle of Bastards where everything is just chaos and people are eventually reduced to instinctively lashing out at the next immediate threat rather than thinking carefully and strategically. To a prior poster's point, Jon Snow ending up out in the field alone was a result of Dany impulsively breaking ranks, and then Jon breaking ranks to follow her, and shit, all of sudden he's out in the open and the head-motherfucker who's trying to kill his brother Bran is right there... what's Jon supposed to do, try to sneak back through the enemy undead lines and break into a castle that's locked down and under siege? No, he's going to go right at the head-motherfucker who's trying to kill his brother.

I thought the eye-patch dude bracing himself against the walls while getting shanked was a callback to Hodor holding the door.

Obvious one, but I liked Arya telling Sansa to 'stick them with the pointy end' just like she said to Ned Stark in season 1 when he asked her if she knew how to use her sword.

I thought they were going to/should have knocked off a few more big characters, Brienne for sure, and for a hot minute I thought Jamie was going down too - that would have been more like the early GOT where major characters got killed unexpectedly.
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windywave wrote:
JSA wrote:
satchmo wrote:
RE: Lighting.
I watched last night on my GF's old LCD tele. and agree with all the lighting comments. I was twisting and turning my head and squinting my eyes, etc. It was horrible.
Tonight I am going to re-watch on my LED 4k Display.
Will report back after.


I watched on an iPad.


WTF?

He can't afford a big TV.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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windywave wrote:
JSA wrote:
satchmo wrote:
RE: Lighting.
I watched last night on my GF's old LCD tele. and agree with all the lighting comments. I was twisting and turning my head and squinting my eyes, etc. It was horrible.
Tonight I am going to re-watch on my LED 4k Display.
Will report back after.


I watched on an iPad.


WTF?

I like sitting in bed and watching with sound-cancelling headphones. I have an iPad stand that holds it right in front of me while fully reclined.

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<<Leaving Theon to guard Bran? Really? Theon?>>


Well, Theon plus Dany and Jon on two dragons, who I thought were supposed to be waiting for the Night King to make his move and then ambush him, right up until Dany ditched the plan.



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<<Maybe someone can help me here? So the whole purpose of the NK was to find Bran? Why? I know the fan theories about their connection but their brief encounter, in this episode, did nothing to explain why the NK sought out Bran specifically.>>



Explanation from an episode or two ago is basically that the Night King wants to erase humanity and all memory of it. Since Bran/Three Eyed Raven has the ability to move forward and backward through time and warg into other people/things, he's sort of a super-repository of the history of Westeros/humanity. So if you're trying to erase humanity and all memory of it and usher in endless night, killing Bran/the Three Eyed Raven is a good place to start. At least that was the dialog between Bran and Tyrion...


Thank you, I forgot about that discussion, and it certainly makes sense why the NK wanted to kil Bran. I still don't get why Bran turned into the three eyed raven and they flew around? Also, what is the significance of him being the three eye raven anymore? If his whole purpose was to make Jon aware he is the heir to the Iron Throne, and to be fodder for the NK, then I don't know other use for him on the show???
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Agree with holding the Dothraki in reserve, what they did was clearly scripted for effect. That said it was a pretty extreme emotional swing and really gave you a ā€œoh crapā€ moment.

Leana Mormont went out like a boss and I thought the way Theon held his ground and then Bran telling him ā€œyouā€™re a good manā€ was a very fitting end for that character.

Iā€™m very conflicted about Arya. I actually donā€™t think itā€™s ridiculous that she would fly in like that. Thereā€™s a ton of support in the story to the idea she can move quickly and stealthily plus she has the Catā€™s Paw dagger which we see in the book which also contains the information about Dragon Glass. There was also some story buildup to date with Melissandra saying ā€œeyes you will shut forever; brown eyes, green eyes, blue eyes.ā€ The thing that bothers me about Arya and the Night King is how they threw away the whole Azor Ahai prophecy.


Can someone please explain what the Azor Ahai prophecy is?

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Iā€™m very conflicted about Arya. I actually donā€™t think itā€™s ridiculous that she would fly in like that. Thereā€™s a ton of support in the story to the idea she can move quickly and stealthily plus she has the Catā€™s Paw dagger which we see in the book which also contains the information about Dragon Glass. There was also some story buildup to date with Melissandra saying ā€œeyes you will shut forever; brown eyes, green eyes, blue eyes.ā€

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You ever think about how, since this show started, Arya hasnā€™t gotten a day off? Sure, maybe that day at Hot Pieā€™s restaurant last season, but that was more of a lunch break; even her entire time back at Winterfellā€”her first jaunt home in nine yearsā€”has been spent scheming and unraveling schemes and slicing necks. Since she was a murderous squirt running around Westeros with the Hound, itā€™s been relentless, which has to be some sort of child labor issue, even though child labor laws have not yet been invented in Westeros due to feudalism and survival and shit. My point is, after ā€œThe Long Night,ā€ Arya needs to go on vacation, and I hope it involves a lot of resort-boning in Dorne with her new mans, Gendry. Get this young woman a cocktail!

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
windywave wrote:
JSA wrote:
satchmo wrote:
RE: Lighting.
I watched last night on my GF's old LCD tele. and agree with all the lighting comments. I was twisting and turning my head and squinting my eyes, etc. It was horrible.
Tonight I am going to re-watch on my LED 4k Display.
Will report back after.


I watched on an iPad.


WTF?


He can't afford a big TV.

Or he was sucking up the free wifi from Panera.

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eye3md wrote:
wimsey wrote:



<<Maybe someone can help me here? So the whole purpose of the NK was to find Bran? Why? I know the fan theories about their connection but their brief encounter, in this episode, did nothing to explain why the NK sought out Bran specifically.>>



Explanation from an episode or two ago is basically that the Night King wants to erase humanity and all memory of it. Since Bran/Three Eyed Raven has the ability to move forward and backward through time and warg into other people/things, he's sort of a super-repository of the history of Westeros/humanity. So if you're trying to erase humanity and all memory of it and usher in endless night, killing Bran/the Three Eyed Raven is a good place to start. At least that was the dialog between Bran and Tyrion...



Thank you, I forgot about that discussion, and it certainly makes sense why the NK wanted to kil Bran. I still don't get why Bran turned into the three eyed raven and they flew around? Also, what is the significance of him being the three eye raven anymore? If his whole purpose was to make Jon aware he is the heir to the Iron Throne, and to be fodder for the NK, then I don't know other use for him on the show???

I hear you. I've always been a little perplexed and not really enthused about the Bran/Three Eyed Raven plotline.
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So I was wrong, the crypts were actually the safest place in winterfell. I mean, it would have been safer if they burned all the bodies down there before the battle, like a thoughtful person would do.


But apparently dead people are strong enough to punch through stone, something they wouldn't have been able to do had they been buried alive.

Also, where did the Night King and his guards buy their clothes? Who made them? Did they just take them off of people who they've killed, or is there race of night kings, guards, with markets and clothing retailers, etc., that make and sell clothes? Does he have a wife and kids back home? They make it out like this is some solitary guy, yet he has well tailored clothes. Adam and Eve had to get some fig leaves.
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I think the point was made on the Vulture recap article, but we basically saw the end of all the overt magic in the world last night...at least in our TV storyline:

Night King and White Walkers
Raising the dead
Zombies
Giants (alive or dead)
Melisandre
Beric and his flaming sword

I guess we still have dragons and Bran. But a lot of "magic" has been wiped out of the plot, cleaning the slate for the more mundane story line of good old fashioned throne posturing.


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satchmo wrote:
RE: Lighting.
I watched last night on my GF's old LCD tele. and agree with all the lighting comments. I was twisting and turning my head and squinting my eyes, etc. It was horrible.
Tonight I am going to re-watch on my LED 4k Display.
Will report back after.

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Also, the screenshot they used



Kinda reminded me of



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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Last night didn't do it for me, for many of the reasons as others have mentioned. My additional observations:

--It felt like a cheat code type of ending to the battle. Yay, Arya saves the day, great...but it felt so obvious by the end AND wiping out the entire army that's massacred Winterfell for 1.3 hours with one dagger, it was so underwhelming to me.
--Speaking of the massacre, our helmetless hero's (Jamie, Brienne, etc) - couldn't they have killed one or two of them off? I just can't get around the fact this zombie army absolutely wiped the floor with the Dothraki in like 45 seconds, the unsullied got demolished, they ripped through Winterfell like it was a house of cards, and yet they couldn't take down any of our 'heroes'? Freaking Sam lived through it! You either need the undead army to be less overwhelming or more dead main characters, it felt so un-JRRM for all of them to have lived.
--Bran is starting to piss me off. They put him out there as bait, and Theon was ultimately the sacrificial lamb which we could all see from a mile away. Bran contributed essentially nothing to that episode, I just wish they did something different with him because it wiped out all tension when the night king was approaching him and ready to kill him, and he didn't move or say anything the whole time.
--I think this sets up some serious tension between Dany and Jon...if her dragon is the only one still alive, will she still be keen to ally with him knowing he's the heir to the throne?
--I hope they come full circle with the night king - i.e. one of our remaining heroes becomes the new night king, banished to the north, etc...it just doesn't feel like the army of the dead, white walkers, 'winter is coming' etc is fully resolved, or at least I'm hoping there's a circular plotline there.
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Endo wrote:
Night King
White Walkers
Raising the dead
Zombies
Giants
Melisandre
Beric and his flaming sword

every one of those either already is, or should be, the name of a rock band.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:

Arya FLYING in at the last moment to save EVERYONE


I mean Arya had been training for years to be a deadly and unseen assassin, it also fulfilled multiple prophetic lines from early in the show, I don't see why people are having a problem with it. I mean they have been showing how good she is at sneaking up on people multiple times over the last couple seasons. Doing that same knife move last season when sparing. She was told previously that she will permanently close blue eyes and the whole what do we say to death, when they kept saying the night king was the embodiment of death. What more do people want to set that scene up?

Yeah yeah we all suffered thru the ultimate tedium of Braavos... but her weapon of choice was to become someone else. The faceless men. Yeah she learned how to fight, but she didn't learn to become invisible fer chrissakes. If she was so unseeable, why the heck were we forced to sit thru 15 minutes of her in the halls of winterfell avoiding the wights?

So, the Godswood was fairly well lit. There was a phalanx of the Gregg Allman looking white walkers standing there. Somehow she tiptoed right in front of them, and then sprang onto the NK. And none of them moved a muscle? She couldn't fool a stupid zombie but she could fool the WW?

Fine with the prophecy, that she was training, but put it in the proper context. Had Arya walked up the the NK as a WW, then took off the mask and stabbed him? Now that would have been awesome and would have been a proper conclusion to her storyline.

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didn't Bran warg into the crows so that the knight king could find him? In other words that was the purpose of Bran doing that...
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She was super stealthy in the library. The only sound that gave her away was the blood from her massive head wound hitting the ground. Seriously, they showed the loundest sound of her running around is blood dropping a few inches and hitting the ground. She was very quite in the library.

Earlier she scared John by sneaking up to him in the godswood and that was when there wasn't a massive battle happening and dragon just outside blowing flames to cover her sound. The White Walkers were obviously distracted by Bran. Last season she snuck up on Sansa when Sansa was on high alert, just appearing in the middle of the room, once again without the sound of a massive battle to help. She has demonstrated this skill multiple times.
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When she was in the library, I thought for sure she was trying to isolate one of the dead so that she could dispatch it quietly and take its face either simply to escape, or for another purpose (say, to go after the Night King).

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--I hope they come full circle with the night king - i.e. one of our remaining heroes becomes the new night king, banished to the north, etc...it just doesn't feel like the army of the dead, white walkers, 'winter is coming' etc is fully resolved, or at least I'm hoping there's a circular plotline there.

My theory:
- Night King can raise dead and make new WW.
- WW can raise (or at least control) dead
- If WW "dies" the dead it controls also "die"

Hierarchy based system. With me so far?

I bet there is the real OG NK sitting in a cave somewhere north of the wall commanding his troops from a distance, and the 2IC was the one that got stabbed. The 2IC had made all the other WW and stuff so was immensely powerful but couldnt "kill" its master as it itself would "die". Thus, the thousand years between winters is the OG NK sitting back and building up his army once again.

Playing the long game for sure.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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JSA wrote:
windywave wrote:
JSA wrote:
satchmo wrote:
RE: Lighting.
I watched last night on my GF's old LCD tele. and agree with all the lighting comments. I was twisting and turning my head and squinting my eyes, etc. It was horrible.
Tonight I am going to re-watch on my LED 4k Display.
Will report back after.


I watched on an iPad.


WTF?

I like sitting in bed and watching with sound-cancelling headphones. I have an iPad stand that holds it right in front of me while fully reclined.

This. I broke my iPad last week and have been watching shows on my laptop. Last nightā€™s episode sent me out to Best Buy today to get another iPad. Nothing beats it IMO.
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She was super stealthy in the library. The only sound that gave her away was the blood from her massive head wound hitting the ground. Seriously, they showed the loundest sound of her running around is blood dropping a few inches and hitting the ground. She was very quite in the library.

Earlier she scared John by sneaking up to him in the godswood and that was when there wasn't a massive battle happening and dragon just outside blowing flames to cover her sound. The White Walkers were obviously distracted by Bran. Last season she snuck up on Sansa when Sansa was on high alert, just appearing in the middle of the room, once again without the sound of a massive battle to help. She has demonstrated this skill multiple times.

Yes, cuz she was sneaking quietly around. Was she sneaking in front of the white walkers? I mean, right in front of them?

She scares Jon by walking up behind him, no one else was there.

If she's ninja sneaky enough to make herself invisible, WTF was all that sneaking around for? Get invisible and get out?
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When she was in the library, I thought for sure she was trying to isolate one of the dead so that she could dispatch it quietly and take its face either simply to escape, or for another purpose (say, to go after the Night King).

Thank you. Now that is how it should have been written. That would have (1) made sense (in GOT world) and (2) provided a nice closure to Braavos and the faceless men.

Had she walked up behind the NK as a white walker, and then done the deed? How awesome would that have been
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Not sure but he did run off like benny hill
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sphere wrote:
BCtriguy1 wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
I am quite sure that what I watched last night was not GOT.


It was not. It was GOT characters in a LOTR battle scene.


I'm trying to think how the writers and directors could have done any better in distancing themselves from that inevitable comparison.

Winterfell happened at night, unlike Helm's Deep (that started in daylight, IIRC?), and so darkness was inevitable, and they seemed intent on using realistic lighting for every scene. I'm thinking major night battles in the Iron Age probably were quite dark and chaotic, as depicted. They frequently broke away from mass combat to follow the personal storylines, and genre switched frequently (action, horror, suspense, etc.) without any of it seeming jarringly out of place.

Aside from the visuals of Arya CGI-leaping onto the Night King, I thought the episode delivered as promised, which was a massive feat, living up to the hype. They went soft on dispatching central players when they should have been killed off, but I suspect we'll see that play out in the final battle for the Iron Throne.

At this point I'm rooting for Cersei, if the alternative is Jon or Dany. They're getting worse by the episode.

Fair point about the battle happening at night.

A few notes:

During the scene where Arya was silently evading the dead, I was instantly brought back to '94 watching a couple of kids trying to hide from velociraptors in a kitchen...

During the last 10ish minutes or so, which was largely a sequence of slow motion shots of various characters looking around and taking stock of the battle around them, set to brooding piano music, I was sure I would see Michael Bay's name in the credits as that is more or less a staple in every single one of his action movies.

I agree re: rooting for Cersei at this point.

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Brownie28 wrote:

--I hope they come full circle with the night king - i.e. one of our remaining heroes becomes the new night king, banished to the north, etc...it just doesn't feel like the army of the dead, white walkers, 'winter is coming' etc is fully resolved, or at least I'm hoping there's a circular plotline there.


My theory:
- Night King can raise dead and make new WW.
- WW can raise (or at least control) dead
- If WW "dies" the dead it controls also "die"

Hierarchy based system. With me so far?

I bet there is the real OG NK sitting in a cave somewhere north of the wall commanding his troops from a distance, and the 2IC was the one that got stabbed. The 2IC had made all the other WW and stuff so was immensely powerful but couldnt "kill" its master as it itself would "die". Thus, the thousand years between winters is the OG NK sitting back and building up his army once again.

Playing the long game for sure.

Give it up. We ain't getting shit for explanations or long-game cool plot fulfillment. Accept that we will be left with a ton of unanswered questions. In the end, Occam's razor applies to the whole White Walker and Winter-is-coming concept...it was just a bunch of dead dudes with no real complicated purpose that were wiped out, relatively speaking, in a simple manner.

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Fuck cersei at this point I want them all fucking stoned to death. All of them

That said. Alfie Allen needs to win an award. Theon has been amazing

Secondly. I'd like to know who installed the windows in the library at winter fell as you could not hear a pin drop whilst 2.3m walking dead extras, 3 dragons and a bunch of eunuchs and gypos were waging ww 0.1
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Last night didn't do it for me, for many of the reasons as others have mentioned. My additional observations:

--It felt like a cheat code type of ending to the battle. Yay, Arya saves the day, great...but it felt so obvious by the end AND wiping out the entire army that's massacred Winterfell for 1.3 hours with one dagger, it was so underwhelming to me.
--Speaking of the massacre, our helmetless hero's (Jamie, Brienne, etc) - couldn't they have killed one or two of them off? I just can't get around the fact this zombie army absolutely wiped the floor with the Dothraki in like 45 seconds, the unsullied got demolished, they ripped through Winterfell like it was a house of cards, and yet they couldn't take down any of our 'heroes'? Freaking Sam lived through it! You either need the undead army to be less overwhelming or more dead main characters, it felt so un-JRRM for all of them to have lived.
--Bran is starting to piss me off. They put him out there as bait, and Theon was ultimately the sacrificial lamb which we could all see from a mile away. Bran contributed essentially nothing to that episode, I just wish they did something different with him because it wiped out all tension when the night king was approaching him and ready to kill him, and he didn't move or say anything the whole time.
--I think this sets up some serious tension between Dany and Jon...if her dragon is the only one still alive, will she still be keen to ally with him knowing he's the heir to the throne?
--I hope they come full circle with the night king - i.e. one of our remaining heroes becomes the new night king, banished to the north, etc...it just doesn't feel like the army of the dead, white walkers, 'winter is coming' etc is fully resolved, or at least I'm hoping there's a circular plotline there.

I agree with you. Theon dying just wasn't enough of a sacrifice considering all the possibilities. I expect Dany to be pregnant within the next couple of episodes which will bring the Cersi angle 360. I also wonder where an army can be found to attack Cersi, and since I don't think there is one her downfall must come from a trusted source.

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Andrewmc wrote:
Fuck cersei at this point I want them all fucking stoned to death. All of them

That said. Alfie Allen needs to win an award. Theon has been amazing

Secondly. I'd like to know who installed the windows in the library at winter fell as you could not hear a pin drop whilst 2.3m walking dead extras, 3 dragons and a bunch of eunuchs and gypos were waging ww 0.1

Literally laughed out loud.
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Random thoughts/replies/observations to no one in particular...

- Arya's killing of the NK would have been better executed (and the whole faceless thing tied up better) had she taken a WW face and used it to get close to the NK, or if it was donned in the library ostensibly to help her escape and not explicitly give away the fact that she was making her way to the NK undetected. It would have maintained the element of surprise and tied up that painful episode's loose end.

- I assumed that "hive brain" thing was in effect when she made her way to NK undetected; every wight in his vicinity seemed in stand-down mode, which presumably made her access easier, in addition to the fact that she's established to be stealthy and quick on her feet. So, not terribly implausible or distracting for me.

- It's hard to imagine any other way of defeating the WW army if not with a singular act of killing the NK, right? If he can reanimate the dead in perpetuity, how else could his forces be defeated? It may be a tired trope, but there really aren't many good options for the writers, all things considered. I'm just underwhelmed by the development of the whole Bran-NK connection storyline in general. Is the WW thing an unrelated side plot, or is it somehow relevant to the final outcome?

- Why didn't dragon fire hurt NK? Targaryan bloodline, maybe?

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Last night didn't do it for me, for many of the reasons as others have mentioned. My additional observations:

--It felt like a cheat code type of ending to the battle. Yay, Arya saves the day, great...but it felt so obvious by the end AND wiping out the entire army that's massacred Winterfell for 1.3 hours with one dagger, it was so underwhelming to me.
--Speaking of the massacre, our helmetless hero's (Jamie, Brienne, etc) - couldn't they have killed one or two of them off? I just can't get around the fact this zombie army absolutely wiped the floor with the Dothraki in like 45 seconds, the unsullied got demolished, they ripped through Winterfell like it was a house of cards, and yet they couldn't take down any of our 'heroes'? Freaking Sam lived through it! You either need the undead army to be less overwhelming or more dead main characters, it felt so un-JRRM for all of them to have lived.
--Bran is starting to piss me off. They put him out there as bait, and Theon was ultimately the sacrificial lamb which we could all see from a mile away. Bran contributed essentially nothing to that episode, I just wish they did something different with him because it wiped out all tension when the night king was approaching him and ready to kill him, and he didn't move or say anything the whole time.
--I think this sets up some serious tension between Dany and Jon...if her dragon is the only one still alive, will she still be keen to ally with him knowing he's the heir to the throne?
--I hope they come full circle with the night king - i.e. one of our remaining heroes becomes the new night king, banished to the north, etc...it just doesn't feel like the army of the dead, white walkers, 'winter is coming' etc is fully resolved, or at least I'm hoping there's a circular plotline there.

I agree with you. Theon dying just wasn't enough of a sacrifice considering all the possibilities. I expect Dany to be pregnant within the next couple of episodes which will bring the Cersi angle 360. I also wonder where an army can be found to attack Cersi, and since I don't think there is one her downfall must come from a trusted source.


The Second Sons. More importantly what needs to occur is a pitched battle where Cersi commits her reserves and then the Knights of the Vale (who are heavy cavalry and now probably under Sansa or at least a loyal to Stark) come sweeping from the flank and utterly annihilate Cersi. Leaving Sansa as the only one with an army and atop the iron throne.
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- Why didn't dragon fire hurt NK? Targaryan bloodline, maybe?

Yup.

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bluemonkeytri wrote:
BCtriguy1 wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
I am quite sure that what I watched last night was not GOT.


It was not. It was GOT characters in a LOTR battle scene.


Yep. Or any other fantasy story ever written. The first 10 mins or so were great, I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the battle. The flaming swords were also great, but as many have pointed out, that was a complete waste of the Dothraki. The battle was hard to follow, hard to see anything, and Ayra jumping from out of nowhere to easily kill the Night King? WTF? Did the rest of the White Walkers do anything at all? For a series that has consistently avoided the familiar tropes, isn't the "hive mind" kill one and kill them all the biggest trope of all? The Night King was just standing out in the open, with nobody around him. Bran could have had a knife or blade hidden under his cloak or in his chair.

And Bran, WTH dude? Biggest battle of all time going on and I just warg into ravens the whole time with apparently no ability to actually convey and utilize the info you might see? Did he just have them all fly to a brothel and watch sex through the windows?



Maybe someone can help me here? So the whole purpose of the NK was to find Bran? Why? I know the fan theories about their connection but their brief encounter, in this episode, did nothing to explain why the NK sought out Bran specifically.

Also, as you stated about him becoming the three eyed raven, what was the purpose of that? They showed the ravens flying around, and Bran with the white eyes, but nothing more. It was almost like it was wasted fodder for screen time? Really makes me wonder if the producers are trying to throw us off thinking all that's left is the battle with Cersei, and there could be more to the Bran story??? Otherwise, a big hole in the plot or nothing.

didn't bran say he was the 'memory' and the night king wanted to snuff out all 'memory'.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [fulla] [ In reply to ]
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and for all of those moaning about no major characters being killed, what about the NK?

most people did not seem to anticipate that.

did noone else think arya was going to die when the NK got hold of her initially?
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When she was in the library, I thought for sure she was trying to isolate one of the dead so that she could dispatch it quietly and take its face either simply to escape, or for another purpose (say, to go after the Night King).


Thank you. Now that is how it should have been written. That would have (1) made sense (in GOT world) and (2) provided a nice closure to Braavos and the faceless men.

Had she walked up behind the NK as a white walker, and then done the deed? How awesome would that have been
I'll third or fourth this.

I thought for sure that one zombie she quietly killed in the hallway was going to resurface by the tree w/ Bran and would jump out and kill the night king. So disappointing that they didn't do it that way, they basically got stealthy Arya without any of her 'faceless' stealth, which was such a big part of her story arc. Seems like a massive oversight that they wouldn't do it that way, I think a lot of people were a little underwhelmed with the way the ending played out last night, you make that one switch and it'd have been much more satisfying.

As it was, who used their backstory and history to do something epic last night? Tyrion was down the basement with the kids. Dany and Jon bumped into each other and got bodied by the NK. Sansa took a dagger and hid. Theon sacrificed himself in a selfless act of stupidity (think about it - if he crawled away like the coward he's always been the NK would've ignored him and he'd still be alive). Brienne, Jamie, Tormund and crew basically survived helmetless because they're main characters. Bran did some warging but really, what did he DO that viewers were like 'oh that's cool as shit!'? And Arya got chauffered around and stayed alive long enough to sneak up on the night king somehow (I guess we'll never know how she got through that circle of walkers) but never used her faceless abilities.

The more I think about that episode the less I like it.
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Secondly. I'd like to know who installed the windows in the library at winter fell as you could not hear a pin drop whilst 2.3m walking dead extras, 3 dragons and a bunch of eunuchs and gypos were waging ww 0.1

I think it was the same people who built the Peloton house, because you know that joint is gonna be fucking freezing unless it's got quintuple-pane glass



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Just rewatched it and upped the brightness settings further on the TV, much easier to follow.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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I enjoyed the episode overall despite the flaws and inconsistencies already discussed.

But I am confused by the dragonriding. No harness, no saddle, no reins, nothing, the dragons are cartwheeling across the sky and somehow Jon and Dany stay put by grabbing a horn. Must have the grip strength of a cyborg.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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- Why didn't dragon fire hurt NK? Targaryan bloodline, maybe?

I don't think so.

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Miguel Sapochnik...you owe me money you incompetent turd.

Seriously, no idea how this guy is considered a good director. Tactically his battle episodes are atrocious. Hello, artillery...multiple salvos please. Dothraki, I really hate how a group of people who are modeled off the Mongols are depicted.

Arya...you don't send her to learn to be Faceless man unless she's gonna do Gangster shit!

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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looks like the next battle is episode 7 (ie second episode from now) as sapochnik directs that also
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [fulla] [ In reply to ]
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55 days of shooting and couldn't get decent tactics...defense in depth.

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I watched this last night and was... well, underwhelmed is probably the right word.

I'm "invested" (to use the word du jour) in GoT - read the books published so far (twice) and watched the TV series (also twice). Even so, quibbles I had with this ep:

- the cinematography. I've read that it was deliberately shot "dark" to replicate the feeling of fighting at night. Fine, except it made it fucking difficult to see what was going on, which is kind of the point of visual media. The arrival of the Knights of the Vale during the Battle of the Bastards showed vividly their effectiveness as a charging, attacking force. Here we had bugger all idea of how ineffective the Dothraki really were, or how effective the wights were when charging.

- too many overt plot devices. Eliminate the Dothraki early to save CGI'ig the horses. Give the NK power over the weather to eliminate the effectiveness of the dragons.

- bizarre battlefield tactics. I'm not even an armchair field marshall, but even I can see that not using your aerial bombardment weapons, and placing your infantry in front of your (single) fire trench are bad ideas.

- an insufficient number of major character deaths. This is the big one for me because it devalued the entire ep. I like all the major characters, but despite that I feel that some of them should have been culled to give greater meaning to this battle (I don't count the NK as a major character for these purposes).

- Arya's set piece was well-signposted; the only surprise really was the reprise of her "trick".

Going forwards, I fear it's a little bit predictable now. Remnants of the North play Cersei's army of the South; the Hound will defeat the Mountain (my money is on the Mountain ending Brienne); Jaime will be the valonqar who ends Cersei; Jon and Dany will rule as joint sovereigns; a bunch of dragon eggs will be found at Dragonstone; a new NK will rise but will retreat beyond the Wall for the next few hundred years. And other stuff.
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fulla wrote:
looks like the next battle is episode 7 (ie second episode from now) as sapochnik directs that also

Episode 5. Thereā€™s only six episodes.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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- Why didn't dragon fire hurt NK? Targaryan bloodline, maybe?

Magic?

The night king can't be a Targaryan. He was a First Man, people who were the original men to westeros and fought the Children of the forest. He was either a Celt or a Roman. They are the northerners and have weirwoods.
The next group of men were the Andals. Also from essos. They are the Saxons. These are the leaders of the houses in the south. They follow the faith of the seven.
The final group was the Rhoynar. From Valyria. These are the Targaryans. They arrived like 400 years before the shows. They are the Normans.

The nights king was created something like 8000 years before the Targs showed up.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [scorpio516] [ In reply to ]
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Not replying to anyone specifically........


I'm just amazed at how high people's standards have gotten for TV. Really? THAT wasn't good enough for you?

I just binge watched the first three episodes and found nothing worth complaining about. I thoroughly enjoyed everything, and this was AFTER having seen End Game earlier that afternoon.

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Not replying to anyone specifically........


I'm just amazed at how high people's standards have gotten for TV. Really? THAT wasn't good enough for you?

I just binge watched the first three episodes and found nothing worth complaining about. I thoroughly enjoyed everything, and this was AFTER having seen End Game earlier that afternoon.

My son said he thought this was the reason he was a little let down with Episode 3.

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Considering that we're paying for it with our money, and not just our eyes (commercials), my standards are high because they had set the standards high themselves. Why shouldn't we hold the line.

Now, did I enjoy the episode: You Betcha!

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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I think it depends on what you are impressed by.

If you're in to huge CGI battle scenes and plenty of action, I'm sure it was impressive. What I like about GOT is the writing, story lines, I guess you could say the human drama element.

For me, the first three episodes have been largely a dud. Mindlessly entertaining? Sure, but, I don't watch GOT for mindless entertainment.

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and for all of those moaning about no major characters being killed, what about the NK?

most people did not seem to anticipate that.

did noone else think arya was going to die when the NK got hold of her initially?

I thought the most obvious play was to eliminate the NK. However, if Arya had also died this would have been a shocker. I am hesitant to say that GOT has turned into something predictable, but after the Red Wedding, which was awesome, the shock value has died down.If Cersi does not die, that would be be a shock because we all expect it, don't we? It's HOW it's going to happen that has us on the edge of our seats.

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Meh.

IMO, people look back on their memories of GoT, think about all of their favorite moments, and then expect every episode to live up to those moments. GoT has *always* been a slow melodramatic burn, mixed in with occasional big reveals, plot twists, or epic scenes.

Yes, the Red Wedding was much more impressive, for example. Two thoughts on that: it was a season finale, not E3, and they already did that.

Either way, if you don't like it, then you don't like it. I'm not going to convince anyone otherwise. I, for one, was not disappointed.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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HATERS GOTTA HATE!!!

We were talking about it at work yesterday. Everybody there thought it was awesome and incredibly intense.

People questioning battle tactics for a fantasy series, should really get a life. That, or line up against a massive horde of the undead that hopelessly outnumbers your army before questioning anything. Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Oh, and it was supposed to be dark and blurry. They were fighting at night in a massive snow storm brought on by the night king.

My only beef is that we didn't really get any closure on the NK and 3 eyed raven story. I'm hoping it isn't completely done and that somebody (ie John Snow) has to become the new night king to bring the army of the dead to battle Cersie.
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KAlber wrote:
Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Mike Tyson

Yep, I used that same quote someplace else

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We were watching TMZ last night (our friend appeared in one of stories) the cinematographer blamed the darkness on HBO for compressing the movie for all of you clowns streaming it to your laptop.

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HATERS GOTTA HATE!!!


We were talking about it at work yesterday. Everybody there thought it was awesome and incredibly intense.

People questioning battle tactics for a fantasy series, should really get a life. That, or line up against a massive horde of the undead that hopelessly outnumbers your army before questioning anything. Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Oh, and it was supposed to be dark and blurry. They were fighting at night in a massive snow storm brought on by the night king.

My only beef is that we didn't really get any closure on the NK and 3 eyed raven story. I'm hoping it isn't completely done and that somebody (ie John Snow) has to become the new night king to bring the army of the dead to battle Cersie.


While agree with you about wanting more info/backstory on NK, a couple comments:

  1. The Night King was created for the TV show. That character does not exist in the books, at least as we know it from TV. In the books its more of a tangent concept, but pretty different. The whole Children of the Forest sacrificing a first man thing was written for TV. It did not come from GRRMs books. At least that is my understanding from what i've read and heard. We all realize that once the story moves beyond GRRMs books, the richness and quality of the story suffers.
  2. I have heard there is already a HBO GoT Prequel series in the works. They may have shelved a lot of this storyline around the NK so they can explore it in a spin-off series.





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We were watching TMZ last night (our friend appeared in one of stories) the cinematographer blamed the darkness on HBO for compressing the movie for all of you clowns streaming it to your laptop.

Best scene of the episode:



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GreenPlease wrote:
Agree with holding the Dothraki in reserve, what they did was clearly scripted for effect. That said it was a pretty extreme emotional swing and really gave you a ā€œoh crapā€ moment.

Leana Mormont went out like a boss and I thought the way Theon held his ground and then Bran telling him ā€œyouā€™re a good manā€ was a very fitting end for that character.

Iā€™m very conflicted about Arya. I actually donā€™t think itā€™s ridiculous that she would fly in like that. Thereā€™s a ton of support in the story to the idea she can move quickly and stealthily plus she has the Catā€™s Paw dagger which we see in the book which also contains the information about Dragon Glass. There was also some story buildup to date with Melissandra saying ā€œeyes you will shut forever; brown eyes, green eyes, blue eyes.ā€ The thing that bothers me about Arya and the Night King is how they threw away the whole Azor Ahai prophecy.



Can someone please explain what the Azor Ahai prophecy is?

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Hope that helps, even a little

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and for all of those moaning about no major characters being killed, what about the NK?

And what about Mellisandra as well?

I expect a slew of characters to die within the next 2 episodes - might take one episode to recover from the battle at Winterfell and re-integrate the King's Landing and Bron storylines before heads start coming off.

Also - did it not seem that something was developing between Sansa and Tyrion down in the crypt? She said that it wouldn't work out between them only because of the Dragon Queen...but if she's gone? Hmmm.....

I have to say I enjoyed the episode more the 2nd time I watched it.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart wrote:
KAlber wrote:
Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.


Mike Tyson

Yep, I used that same quote someplace else

Or, we could use the much more appropriate original quote:

No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy


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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TiDriver] [ In reply to ]
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fulla wrote:
and for all of those moaning about no major characters being killed, what about the NK?


And what about Mellisandra as well?

I expect a slew of characters to die within the next 2 episodes - might take one episode to recover from the battle at Winterfell and re-integrate the King's Landing and Bron storylines before heads start coming off.

Also - did it not seem that something was developing between Sansa and Tyrion down in the crypt? She said that it wouldn't work out between them only because of the Dragon Queen...but if she's gone? Hmmm.....

I have to say I enjoyed the episode more the 2nd time I watched it.

Didn't Tyrion take off his Hand of the Queen boutonniere and throw it aside? I couldn't tell it was so dark, he might have been brushing off ham sandwich crumbs for all I know.
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JSA wrote:
RandMart wrote:
KAlber wrote:
Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.


Mike Tyson

Yep, I used that same quote someplace else


Or, we could use the much more appropriate original quote:

No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy


- Helmuth von Moltke (1861)



Kein Operationsplan reicht mit einiger Sicherheit Ć¼ber das erste Zusammentreffen mit der feindlichen Hauptmacht hinaus


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I thought he pulled out a dragon glass dagger, following Sansa's lead and in preparation to go out and not die cowering like a pussy behind the stone tomb - he then takes a deep breath to steel himself and they cut away to another scene.

You could be right though - that would have certainly been a hint as to what may come re: Danerys.

Dammit, now I'm going to have to watch it again.

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Good piece in The Ringer today as to where the show goes in the final three episodes as far as this prophecy:

https://www.theringer.com/...rya-stark-long-night



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a Deadspin guy, but thanks for posting that

Always eager to investigate new sources

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TiDriver wrote:
fulla wrote:
and for all of those moaning about no major characters being killed, what about the NK?


And what about Mellisandra as well?

I expect a slew of characters to die within the next 2 episodes - might take one episode to recover from the battle at Winterfell and re-integrate the King's Landing and Bron storylines before heads start coming off.

Also - did it not seem that something was developing between Sansa and Tyrion down in the crypt? She said that it wouldn't work out between them only because of the Dragon Queen...but if she's gone? Hmmm.....

I have to say I enjoyed the episode more the 2nd time I watched it.


I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Aside from the visuals of Arya CGI-leaping onto the Night King, I thought the episode delivered as promised, which was a massive feat, living up to the hype. They went soft on dispatching central players when they should have been killed off, but I suspect we'll see that play out in the final battle for the Iron Throne.
Apparently it wasn't CGI, but an old fashioned wire rig.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [torrey] [ In reply to ]
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Ok wtf!! Your on a dragon flying high in the air and you don't see the other ships? This episode sucked!
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Holes in the plot for sure but they did manage to build tension. My prediction: Daenarys torches King's landing, the Hound kills the Mountain with fire, Arya kills Cersei in... some fitting way. BUT the big twist will be that Daenarys stabs John through in the heart and turns him into the next Night King. There was some really heavy foreshadowing in John's goodbye with Tormound. There's also a good chance we find out The Golden Company is working for Varys.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Sapochnik is directing next weeks episode when shit gets real in Kings Landing.

Varys/Golden Company is interesting where he has always said from the first season that he serves the realm regardless of who is on the throne. They keep making a point of saying how they never break a contract but he may have found a way.

Euron has to wonder how Tyrian knew acersei was pregnant, so he could turn on her as well.

Still have Arya and the Hound making their way south for unfinished business, and now Jaime as well. It's going to come down to who gets Cersei first.



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At this point, if Arya wants you dead... youā€™ve got to think youā€™re shit out of luck. The only way Arya does is if Jaguen shows up. Donā€™t forget the Iron Bank is paying the Golden Company. The contract is with the Bank, not Cersei.
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Judging by the face of Euron looking at the sky in next week's episode, I think there is a surprise.
Maybe more than one dragon?
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Ok wtf!! Your on a dragon flying high in the air and you don't see the other ships? This episode sucked!

All she had to do was fly around the fleet and attack them from behind. I doubt they had the weapons on the stern of the ships also.

Season is very dissapointing.
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Judging by the face of Euron looking at the sky in next week's episode, I think there is a surprise.
Maybe more than one dragon?

Dragon is wearing armor.
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Francois wrote:
Judging by the face of Euron looking at the sky in next week's episode, I think there is a surprise.
Maybe more than one dragon?

Dragon is wearing armor.

I am going with the dragon queen is out of the picture (dead or otherwise) and Jon is riding the dragon. Not sure if they know that one. With him being the true heir to the throne and all
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Francois wrote:
Judging by the face of Euron looking at the sky in next week's episode, I think there is a surprise.
Maybe more than one dragon?


Hmm all we saw was the dragon hit the water, did it survive? Did they mate and there are several now?
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I'm going with...who remembers season 5 when Drogon disappears for a while and Daenerys doesn't know where he is. I think he may have laid some eggs.
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Okay, I'm not the only one that thinks there are more dragons.

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50+ wrote:
Ok wtf!! Your on a dragon flying high in the air and you don't see the other ships? This episode sucked!


All she had to do was fly around the fleet and attack them from behind. I doubt they had the weapons on the stern of the ships also.

Season is very dissapointing.

You beat me to it. Why not fly around and get from behind?
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Okay, I'm not the only one that thinks there are more dragons.

In the books there are rumoured to be a ton of eggs in the place where the dragon glass was mined.

But it takes a while for a dragon to mature so doubtful we will see more dragons in this series.

Unless drogon has a secret family...
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The GMAN wrote:
Okay, I'm not the only one that thinks there are more dragons.


In the books there are rumoured to be a ton of eggs in the place where the dragon glass was mined.

But it takes a while for a dragon to mature so doubtful we will see more dragons in this series.

Unless drogon has a secret family...

We already saw that Nymeria at the end of Season 6. She disappeared for a while and did what animals do: breed. No reason to think Drogon didn't do the same when he left Mereen for a while and flew to Valyria.
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The dragon bit was BS.

  • Dragons and Dany don't see the enemy fleet, despite being thousands of feet in the air
  • Dragon hit by crossbow was a "surprise" out of no where
  • Accuracy in hitting the dragon with 3-4 arrows in a row, yet right after that, a massive volley of same shooters with tons of arrows completely miss dragon #2
  • How does Dany not circle around behind the ships and roast them from behind.
  • What the cross-bows did to the ships.../cough. Yeah, that seemed plausible (not).
  • One would think they would coordinate the fleet and the land army arriving at the same time.


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I'm going with...who remembers season 5 when Drogon disappears for a while and Daenerys doesn't know where he is. I think he may have laid some eggs.

Is egg laying a male function in dragons?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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I'm going with...who remembers season 5 when Drogon disappears for a while and Daenerys doesn't know where he is. I think he may have laid some eggs.

Possible. Nymeria disappeared in Season 1 and came back at the end of Season 6 with a whole pride. We saw Drogon flying over Valyria for seemingly.... no reason... in Season 5. Perhaps he was out to start a dragon family.
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They've achieved ultimate gender equality.

I think they're supposed to not need a partner to lay eggs and don't have a sex.
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Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Francois wrote:
Judging by the face of Euron looking at the sky in next week's episode, I think there is a surprise.
Maybe more than one dragon?


Dragon is wearing armor.


I am going with the dragon queen is out of the picture (dead or otherwise) and Jon is riding the dragon. Not sure if they know that one. With him being the true heir to the throne and all

Jon's secret isn't a secret anymore. Remember Tyrion and Vasrys talking, they know of at least eight people who know the 'secret'. Good chance it's also known within the Red Keep already.

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Francois wrote:
I'm going with...who remembers season 5 when Drogon disappears for a while and Daenerys doesn't know where he is. I think he may have laid some eggs.

Possible. Nymeria disappeared in Season 1 and came back at the end of Season 6 with a whole pride. We saw Drogon flying over Valyria for seemingly.... no reason... in Season 5. Perhaps he was out to start a dragon family.

I donā€™t think they do a good job explaining Nymeria in the show like they do in the books. The main thing she did was basically ā€œuniteā€ the wolf packs around the Trident by being the alpha. Also I donā€™t think the show does a good job showing the true size of a dire wolf, theyā€™re the size of a small horse.

On the subject of dire wolfs, Jon really treated Ghost like a dickhead. Ghost only saved his life multiple times and gives some crap excuse about him being from the north.
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Francois wrote:
I'm going with...who remembers season 5 when Drogon disappears for a while and Daenerys doesn't know where he is. I think he may have laid some eggs.


Possible. Nymeria disappeared in Season 1 and came back at the end of Season 6 with a whole pride. We saw Drogon flying over Valyria for seemingly.... no reason... in Season 5. Perhaps he was out to start a dragon family.

I can't see this show ending and any dragons surviving. Dragons are just too powerful and destructive, they only make sense in this all out war. If westeros is at peace, a dragon is just going to be causing all sorts of problems, as they did in Essos before drogon flew away and the other two were locked up.
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After last nights episode it seems to me even more likely Jon and Dany don't survive or end up on the Iron Throne. Dany especially, we are seeing it more foreshadowed that she can't and won't be a good ruler of Westeros or accepted by its people.

It is possible she survives, but decides to goes back across the ocean to rule in Meereen, where the people love her and accept her.

Once Arya takes care of her business in Kings Landing, she may travel back to Essos to serve in the capacity she agreed to as a faceless assassin for the House of Black & White. Or she just gets killed. But I think she'll wander off and disappear to everyone.
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GreenPlease wrote:
Francois wrote:
I'm going with...who remembers season 5 when Drogon disappears for a while and Daenerys doesn't know where he is. I think he may have laid some eggs.


Possible. Nymeria disappeared in Season 1 and came back at the end of Season 6 with a whole pride. We saw Drogon flying over Valyria for seemingly.... no reason... in Season 5. Perhaps he was out to start a dragon family.


I donā€™t think they do a good job explaining Nymeria in the show like they do in the books. The main thing she did was basically ā€œuniteā€ the wolf packs around the Trident by being the alpha. Also I donā€™t think the show does a good job showing the true size of a dire wolf, theyā€™re the size of a small horse.

On the subject of dire wolfs, Jon really treated Ghost like a dickhead. Ghost only saved his life multiple times and gives some crap excuse about him being from the north.

The show's treatment of Ghost this season has been a real headscratcher for me and treated very awkwardly. It almost seems they shot the season without addressing Ghost at all, then came back and added him into a few scenes via CGI smooshing him into the crowd and maybe did a re-shoot or two to have Jon talk about him like last night....which is the only time this season anyone has aknowledged his existence (I think).
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Ok wtf!! Your on a dragon flying high in the air and you don't see the other ships? This episode sucked!

Even at flying at a height of only 500 feet, Jon & Danaerys would have been able to see 27 miles, which is probably outside the range of the mega-crossbows

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AND ... why not fly around behind them, and light their asses on fire? Even if the Scorpion X-Bows can swivel, they'd have massive blind-spots due to the sails

It's like in Empire: if the AT-ATs can only walk in a straight line, and can only fire forward and below, why attack them head-on & at ground level? Even with TIE Fighter support, a dive-bombing approach from the flanks makes far better sense

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Dany would have had time to think about that over her cup of Starbucksā€¦.



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50+ wrote:
Ok wtf!! Your on a dragon flying high in the air and you don't see the other ships? This episode sucked!


All she had to do was fly around the fleet and attack them from behind. I doubt they had the weapons on the stern of the ships also.

Season is very dissapointing.

Agreed. The tactics have been so insanely ridiculous, it has been distracting. My first thought was - why are the dragons flying at a high altitude to scope out the area before the ships sail in? Seriously, they could have been high enough to be out of range of the ship's weapons, but, still able to see them. Then, they swoop in from the rear and burn the entire fleet.

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Dany would have had time to think about that over her cup of Starbucksā€¦.

Yep.



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Is there an outcome where Cersei survives, having crushed the opposition?
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The whole time with Missandei at the top of the wall with Cersei, especially when Cersei came up standing right next to her, I was screaming at the TV for Missandei to just push her off the wall to her death...bump her, tackler her, kick her off...something. Instead of just standing there waiting to be executed.
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The whole time with Missandei at the top of the wall with Cersei, especially when Cersei came up standing right next to her, I was screaming at the TV for Missandei to just push her off the wall to her death...bump her, tackler her, kick her off...something. Instead of just standing there waiting to be executed.

Same here. I kept thinking - grab her and jump!

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I thought Cersei was going to shove M off the ledge and kill her herself......
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This is a great summary of how the GoT writing staff has kinda given up.


We've spent months hearing about the third episode of Game of Thrones. Fifty Five (55!) night shoots! Brutal conditions! They endured all of this for what was hailed as the biggest TV battle of all time. And all that work paid off. It wasn't perfect, but it was big. Then, after all of that immense effort we get an episode that leaves a modern Starbucks cup on a table in Winterfell's great hall. We get an episode where the writers don't even bother to name the "new prince of Dorne." It's as if the writers, the entire crew, the showrunners got through the Battle of Winterfell and simply gave up. This, sadly, was Game of Thrones at its worst-Episode Four is reminiscent of some of the lowest moments of Season Seven. It's nonsensical, lazy, and cringeworthy from beginning to end.

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I was thinking Missandei would get pushed off by Cersei, but then turn and grab Cersie pulling her down as well. Oh well.

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I actually was rooting for her to jump herself to not give Cersei the opportunity....that would've been more dramatic.
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This is a great summary of how the GoT writing staff has kinda given up.


We've spent months hearing about the third episode of Game of Thrones. Fifty Five (55!) night shoots! Brutal conditions! They endured all of this for what was hailed as the biggest TV battle of all time. And all that work paid off. It wasn't perfect, but it was big. Then, after all of that immense effort we get an episode that leaves a modern Starbucks cup on a table in Winterfell's great hall. We get an episode where the writers don't even bother to name the "new prince of Dorne." It's as if the writers, the entire crew, the showrunners got through the Battle of Winterfell and simply gave up. This, sadly, was Game of Thrones at its worst-Episode Four is reminiscent of some of the lowest moments of Season Seven. It's nonsensical, lazy, and cringeworthy from beginning to end.

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I think that is pretty fair. The dragon scene was just dumb. Also, Cersei sends Bron out to kill Tyrion yet she doesn't kill him where he stands? And, Tyrion knew Bron was sent to kill him and he still walks up there? Tyrion has gone from hero to zero quicker than Jeremy Lin.
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Brian in MA wrote:
Dany would have had time to think about that over her cup of Starbucksā€¦.


Yep.


My BS meter is going off the charts here. How much does an ad placement like this go for?
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JSA wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Dany would have had time to think about that over her cup of Starbucksā€¦.


Yep.



My BS meter is going off the charts here. How much does an ad placement like this go for?

Sidenote: Wife thinks Jon acting like Tormund's chest hit hurt him means something. She theorizes that with Mellisandre dead it might impact Jon somehow.
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Agree - why she didn't just swipe around the fleet and attack from behind (like she did at Slavers Bay) where they would not have time to turn was confusing, but then again last week they just let the Dothraki charge headlong into an enemy they couldn't see. I also didn't like how Bronn just appeared and disappeared, would imagine that a few guards would have wound up dead in the process and its not like he could just hide that crossbow.



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Most of these prestige shows don't really know how to wrap things up well. The only show I've watched that really "stuck the landing" was Breaking Bad. Sopranos is up for debate, and the "Lost" ending was just silly. I love GOT, but the last two seasons have been deeply flawed.
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When I was younger, I used to hate movies. Now I enjoy them. Here's how:

- Fleet was hiding behind an island with something blocking the view of the dragons. Being a masters of the seas, they were better about sea faring tactics than Danny and crew.
- See above.
- They got a surprise attack on the first dragon. Second one was prepared.
- Ships had bolt throwers on the back. They just didn't show them.
- Really smart people built some really powerful bolt throwers, powerful enough to rip through ships and take down dragons. They've got some amazing engineers!
- They had strategic reasons for not doing this that they didn't tell us about. Since they are smarter than I guy drinking a beer on his couch while watching TV, I just assume that they know more than me.


I always like to keep in mind that if the great pyramids had never been built, or if Picket never charged, or if Magic and Bird didn't play basketball at the same time, that we would never believe those things could actually have happened if someone wrote them into a movie. Movies (TV in this case) are supposed to be about fantastic, unbelievable stories. I do my best to just try to enjoy them.

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he dragon bit was BS.


  • Dragons and Dany don't see the enemy fleet, despite being thousands of feet in the air
  • Dragon hit by crossbow was a "surprise" out of no where
  • Accuracy in hitting the dragon with 3-4 arrows in a row, yet right after that, a massive volley of same shooters with tons of arrows completely miss dragon #2
  • How does Dany not circle around behind the ships and roast them from behind.
  • What the cross-bows did to the ships.../cough. Yeah, that seemed plausible (not).
  • One would think they would coordinate the fleet and the land army arriving at the same time.




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Most of these prestige shows don't really know how to wrap things up well. The only show I've watched that really "stuck the landing" was Breaking Bad. Sopranos is up for debate, and the "Lost" ending was just silly. I love GOT, but the last two seasons have been deeply flawed.

I don't see how they can possibly wrap up this series in an acceptable manner in a mere 160 minutes.

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I have to agree with you on Breaking Bad.

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njredandblack wrote:
Most of these prestige shows don't really know how to wrap things up well. The only show I've watched that really "stuck the landing" was Breaking Bad. Sopranos is up for debate, and the "Lost" ending was just silly. I love GOT, but the last two seasons have been deeply flawed.


I don't see how they can possibly wrap up this series in an acceptable manner in a mere 160 minutes.


It would have helped if they didn't waste the first 60 minutes (episode 1), because episode 2 would have been a lovely season opener.. then you wasted 30 minute this week.. if i was in charge we would have just finished episode 3, with 4.5 hours of content remaining.
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I have to agree with you on Breaking Bad.

Same here. See! See! HERE we agree on something!!!

Woo-hoo!

I thought Breaking Bad was ended very well. I thought The Sapranos was terrrible.

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JSA wrote:
njredandblack wrote:
Most of these prestige shows don't really know how to wrap things up well. The only show I've watched that really "stuck the landing" was Breaking Bad. Sopranos is up for debate, and the "Lost" ending was just silly. I love GOT, but the last two seasons have been deeply flawed.


I don't see how they can possibly wrap up this series in an acceptable manner in a mere 160 minutes.



It would have helped if they didn't waste the first 60 minutes (episode 1), because episode 2 would have been a lovely season opener.. then you wasted 30 minute this week.. if i was in charge we would have just finished episode 3, with 4.5 hours of content remaining.

Agreed. With so much to wrap up in only 6 episodes, it simply amazes me how much time they wasted.

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It seems more and more as if the showrunners simply got really fatigued from the show, its success, etc. These last two seasons really feel a bit lazy, and the attention to detail just hasn't been what it once was. With the benefit of hindsight, I wonder if it would have made sense to hand this off to new folks after season 6. Heck, Marvel seems to do this with ease.
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"I thought The Sapranos was terrrible. "

No you didn't.

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JSA wrote:
milkman1982 wrote:
JSA wrote:
njredandblack wrote:
Most of these prestige shows don't really know how to wrap things up well. The only show I've watched that really "stuck the landing" was Breaking Bad. Sopranos is up for debate, and the "Lost" ending was just silly. I love GOT, but the last two seasons have been deeply flawed.


I don't see how they can possibly wrap up this series in an acceptable manner in a mere 160 minutes.



It would have helped if they didn't waste the first 60 minutes (episode 1), because episode 2 would have been a lovely season opener.. then you wasted 30 minute this week.. if i was in charge we would have just finished episode 3, with 4.5 hours of content remaining.


Agreed. With so much to wrap up in only 6 episodes, it simply amazes me how much time they wasted.


My guess is they have a different opinion on how much they have to wrap up than we do. Meaning - we will all think there are things left hanging, while the show runners will tell you that not every thread has to have a knot at the end.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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"I thought The Sapranos was terrrible. "

No you didn't.

Thee finale? Yeah, I did! I like closure. I donā€™t like open endings. I loved the series, but wanted closure at the end.

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You're wrong.

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You're wrong.

Here we go again ...

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No we don't.

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FWIW, I'm complete screwing with you right now.

I'm done.

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j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
milkman1982 wrote:
JSA wrote:
njredandblack wrote:
Most of these prestige shows don't really know how to wrap things up well. The only show I've watched that really "stuck the landing" was Breaking Bad. Sopranos is up for debate, and the "Lost" ending was just silly. I love GOT, but the last two seasons have been deeply flawed.


I don't see how they can possibly wrap up this series in an acceptable manner in a mere 160 minutes.



It would have helped if they didn't waste the first 60 minutes (episode 1), because episode 2 would have been a lovely season opener.. then you wasted 30 minute this week.. if i was in charge we would have just finished episode 3, with 4.5 hours of content remaining.


Agreed. With so much to wrap up in only 6 episodes, it simply amazes me how much time they wasted.


My guess is they have a different opinion on how much they have to wrap up than we do. Meaning - we will all think there are things left hanging, while the show runners will tell you that not every thread has to have a knot at the end.

i don't think every thread needs a knot. i mean the sopranos fans clamoring for closure on the russians from "The Pine Barrens" were reaching.

that being said, bran has been horribly handled this year, and this is perhaps too deep, but the jojen, meera, howland reed connection to bran/jon's mom/ned has also been left wanting.

i want to know what the hell bran did all last episode, besides go on a magic carpet ride/ some ravens
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Most of these prestige shows don't really know how to wrap things up well. The only show I've watched that really "stuck the landing" was Breaking Bad. Sopranos is up for debate, and the "Lost" ending was just silly. I love GOT, but the last two seasons have been deeply flawed.

It is really hard to make everyone happy. Everyone has been thinking about this show and they all have their ideal ending, there is no chance that it will match these people's imagined ending. So basically everyone will be disappointed. GoT has to go from building this world up and always adding new things, now these past two seasons has to shrink that world down and tie everything up, that is hard.
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BarryP wrote:
"I thought The Sapranos was terrrible. "

No you didn't.

Thee finale? Yeah, I did! I like closure. I donā€™t like open endings. I loved the series, but wanted closure at the end.

That's why i liked Breaking Bad. Almost total closure. Vince Gilligan seemed to be on the same wavelength as the audience, some would say the ending was almost too perfect, but i like precision. Lost, OTOH, left a shit-ton of loose ends. Entire pieces of the plot were seemingly forgotten, like the outrigger canoe scene, who were those guys?
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I liked the way they wrapped up Firefly.

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I liked the way they wrapped up Firefly.

Yeah, St. Elsewhere was awesome, too and MASH.
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I liked the way they wrapped up Firefly.

Man I loved that show...and the movie.

Too bad Joss didn't get a chance to do additional seasons. But maybe that is why it was so good in fan's minds. It ended while it was still in its prime and the movie came in later for a bit of desert closure.

Deadwood series also went out on an unfinished high...I assume the movie wants to provide us with some sort of ending. I just hope they do a good job of it.


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njredandblack wrote:
Most of these prestige shows don't really know how to wrap things up well. The only show I've watched that really "stuck the landing" was Breaking Bad. Sopranos is up for debate, and the "Lost" ending was just silly. I love GOT, but the last two seasons have been deeply flawed.


It is really hard to make everyone happy. Everyone has been thinking about this show and they all have their ideal ending, there is no chance that it will match these people's imagined ending. So basically everyone will be disappointed. GoT has to go from building this world up and always adding new things, now these past two seasons has to shrink that world down and tie everything up, that is hard.

I hear what you are saying, but, people want closure. For example, if Cersei wipes out Danny's army, then marches to Winterfull and kills them, then enslaves the free folk, people will be pissed, but, there will be closure. So, the ending will be good.

Here is what will suck: Cersei is killed. Euron sneaks away vowing revenge. Danny and Jon continue to fight over the iron throne. The series ends with Tyrion plotting against Danny, but, leaves his action open. Then, at the very end, we see the baby the Night King turned into a White Walker in Season 4, Episode 4, all grown up, and marching south with a new army of the dead, then the screen goes black.

Now, you wanna leave will all those loose ends? That'll piss me off.

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I thought The Sapranos was terrrible.

I still get a visceral reaction to that fucking Journey song. It triggers anger and rage.

You should've witnessed the conniption I threw when the Sopranos finale ended like it did. I thought my cable cut out. I threw something at the wall. Had to stay up and watch the rerun an hour or two later. Same fade to black. I was like "They meant to do that?" That made me even more angry.

I'm a relatively even tempered kind of guy but after investing eight years in that show and have it end like it did made me furious.

If I want open-ended and left for interpretation I'll read a book. That is not why we watch TV or movies.

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 Bron was a random cameo.........

It's all a bag of shite

They've randomly come up with surface to dragon cross bows in one episode?

They looked at a map and travelled a 1000 miles in 5 mins

Sansa has gone all bdsm
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Bron was a random cameo.........

It's all a bag of shite

They've randomly come up with surface to dragon cross bows in one episode?

They looked at a map and travelled a 1000 miles in 5 mins

Sansa has gone all bdsm


Bron was in either episode 1 or 2 with Cersei, setting up for that "random cameo".

And the scorpions (S-D crossbows) were used in the loot train attack episode last season.
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"Now, you wanna leave will all those loose ends? That'll piss me off. "


This is something I agree with. Too often writers think they are being clever by leaving open to interpretation endings. They aren't. Its just lazy writing, or perhaps they like being passive aggressive with their fans.

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Bron was a random cameo.........

It's all a bag of shite

They've randomly come up with surface to dragon cross bows in one episode?

They looked at a map and travelled a 1000 miles in 5 mins

Sansa has gone all bdsm

So ... Bron comes walking in to Winterfell with a deadly weapon and waltzes into the room with the Hand of the Queen? Really? Really???

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"Now, you wanna leave will all those loose ends? That'll piss me off. "

This is something I agree with. Too often writers think they are being clever by leaving open to interpretation endings. They aren't. Its just lazy writing, or perhaps they like being passive aggressive with their fans.

Yep! Now, I understand there are some minor story lines that have to get dropped. The writers really don't know that far in advance how many seasons the show is going to run. So, they write some story lines, then just do not have time to close EVERY loop. I get that. But, you have to give closure to the main plot lines.

I'm with you - I think it is lazy writing. But, I sometimes wonder whether the writers think they are being clever, think the audience wants to be able to fill in the blanks themselves, or, are like you said, passive aggressive.

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chaparral wrote:
njredandblack wrote:
Most of these prestige shows don't really know how to wrap things up well. The only show I've watched that really "stuck the landing" was Breaking Bad. Sopranos is up for debate, and the "Lost" ending was just silly. I love GOT, but the last two seasons have been deeply flawed.


It is really hard to make everyone happy. Everyone has been thinking about this show and they all have their ideal ending, there is no chance that it will match these people's imagined ending. So basically everyone will be disappointed. GoT has to go from building this world up and always adding new things, now these past two seasons has to shrink that world down and tie everything up, that is hard.


I hear what you are saying, but, people want closure. For example, if Cersei wipes out Danny's army, then marches to Winterfull and kills them, then enslaves the free folk, people will be pissed, but, there will be closure. So, the ending will be good.

Here is what will suck: Cersei is killed. Euron sneaks away vowing revenge. Danny and Jon continue to fight over the iron throne. The series ends with Tyrion plotting against Danny, but, leaves his action open. Then, at the very end, we see the baby the Night King turned into a White Walker in Season 4, Episode 4, all grown up, and marching south with a new army of the dead, then the screen goes black.

Now, you wanna leave will all those loose ends? That'll piss me off.
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I think they need to decide what loose ends need to be closed. I mean there are people that want to know what happens to slavers bay, should we see what happens there? We spent lots of seasons in Essos, I bet there are a chunk of fans that want to see what happens there. Are we going to see more with the faceless men?

It is just hard to close every loose end and there may be some that you think should be closed, that the writers may not agree. They may close ones that you think they did not need to. It is basically impossible for them to close all of them every fan wants closed.
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chaparral wrote:
njredandblack wrote:
Most of these prestige shows don't really know how to wrap things up well. The only show I've watched that really "stuck the landing" was Breaking Bad. Sopranos is up for debate, and the "Lost" ending was just silly. I love GOT, but the last two seasons have been deeply flawed.


It is really hard to make everyone happy. Everyone has been thinking about this show and they all have their ideal ending, there is no chance that it will match these people's imagined ending. So basically everyone will be disappointed. GoT has to go from building this world up and always adding new things, now these past two seasons has to shrink that world down and tie everything up, that is hard.


I hear what you are saying, but, people want closure. For example, if Cersei wipes out Danny's army, then marches to Winterfull and kills them, then enslaves the free folk, people will be pissed, but, there will be closure. So, the ending will be good.

Here is what will suck: Cersei is killed. Euron sneaks away vowing revenge. Danny and Jon continue to fight over the iron throne. The series ends with Tyrion plotting against Danny, but, leaves his action open. Then, at the very end, we see the baby the Night King turned into a White Walker in Season 4, Episode 4, all grown up, and marching south with a new army of the dead, then the screen goes black.

Now, you wanna leave will all those loose ends? That'll piss me off.

I don't watch the show and know nothing about its origins, but doesn't this have to end in a way that necessitates a movie?
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I don't watch the show and know nothing about its origins, but doesn't this have to end in a way that necessitates a movie?

Nope. They have made more $$$ as a series than they could as a movie. Plus, the episodes are 80-90 min. Even 4 hours movie couldn't do it justice.

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One thing I do want is for them to end it the way Martin would have ended the series. Hopefully he had some vision of who would be on the iron throne at the end and they honour that, unless its some esoteric philosophical B.S.

We need to know who is dead and who is alive when all is said and done and who is ruling and where. We need some closure on major characters and fan favorites, such as Sam and hopefully we see more of Tormund. I couldn't give a rats ass if they explained Branin more detail.
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Weiss and Benioff got the ending from Martin a few years ago when it was apparent that the show was going to catch up to and eventually pass the books. He gave them what they have referred to as three "holy shit" moments - one being Shireen's burning (which I hated), the second being Hodor's name origin (that was brilliant) and the third being the end of the series, which we will soon find out.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Talking about series endings - The Wire's was brilliant. So was Twin Peaks imo.

It's not necessary to tie up all loose ends imo. It would be shocking if they ended it similar to how season 1 ended...perhaps, Cersei having Jon Snow or Daenrys beheaded, but the people all hating her. With Sansa ruling in the North, with Jon Snow going back there if twas Daenrys beheaded. So, kinda goes back to how it was, cept with the North being somewhat independent.
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It's a lot more difficult for the writers to answer all the questions when a show has a sprawling cast and a ton of storylines, shows like GOT, or Lost. Maybe it's why a show like Breaking Bad, which only concentrated on one or two characters, was able to pull it off. Still doesn't make watching the ending of GOT any less frustrating.
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It's a lot more difficult for the writers to answer all the questions when a show has a sprawling cast and a ton of storylines, shows like GOT, or Lost. Maybe it's why a show like Breaking Bad, which only concentrated on one or two characters, was able to pull it off. Still doesn't make watching the ending of GOT any less frustrating.

I agree, The Americans had a fantastic ending.
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Talking about series endings - The Wire's was brilliant. So was Twin Peaks imo.

It's not necessary to tie up all loose ends imo. It would be shocking if they ended it similar to how season 1 ended...perhaps, Cersei having Jon Snow or Daenrys beheaded, but the people all hating her. With Sansa ruling in the North, with Jon Snow going back there if twas Daenrys beheaded. So, kinda goes back to how it was, cept with the North being somewhat independent.

Yep. Littlefinger fared quite a bit better in The Wire.

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From Milkman - that being said, bran has been horribly handled this year, and this is perhaps too deep, but the jojen, meera, howland reed connection to bran/jon's mom/ned has also been left wanting.

I've decided Bran is the most useless wizard ever, toppling the Gandalf of the LoTR movies

Now, you wanna leave will all those loose ends? That'll piss me off.


They need to do about 10 minutes of cut scenes, just 20 - 30 seconds here and there to answer questions.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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chaparral wrote:
njredandblack wrote:
It's a lot more difficult for the writers to answer all the questions when a show has a sprawling cast and a ton of storylines, shows like GOT, or Lost. Maybe it's why a show like Breaking Bad, which only concentrated on one or two characters, was able to pull it off. Still doesn't make watching the ending of GOT any less frustrating.

I agree, The Americans had a fantastic ending.
Spoiler Alert
Turns out...they were really Russian!

That damn title was misleading!
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It was awesome

Jamie and tyrian just popped down an empty pub after the biggest victory in history and in walks Bron who says I want a bigger castle you cunts and they say OK, see you later.....

Meanwhile instead of killing loads of loose ends in the easiest way....... The killing fields, they make them all survive then the next morning they all wake up and say they're fucking off home......... Tormunds I'm looking at you

I think it's fair to say dany is a bit mad now but she only has one dragon left.........
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General comment regarding endings - Kind of a no win situation on pulling off an ending. Regardless of what happens there will be detractors. But maybe loose ends will be left to intentionally setup the inevitable spin-offs?

And on series' endings - the Soprano's ending was too open, and I think will always be viewed that way. But something like the way Seinfeld ended was interesting. At the time, folks' thought that was a lame ending b/c nothing happened . . . but over time it's come to be viewed as exactly the way to end that show.
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40-Tude wrote:

General comment regarding endings - Kind of a no win situation on pulling off an ending. Regardless of what happens there will be detractors. But maybe loose ends will be left to intentionally setup the inevitable spin-offs?

And on series' endings - the Soprano's ending was too open, and I think will always be viewed that way. But something like the way Seinfeld ended was interesting. At the time, folks' thought that was a lame ending b/c nothing happened . . . but over time it's come to be viewed as exactly the way to end that show.

And that's how I feel about the Soprano's. There was plenty of foreshadowing as to what happens when you get whacked. There's that long internet thesis from the film student that is a great read (https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/...lanation-of-the-end/).

And earlier this year, David Chase appeared to slip up in an interview for a Sopranos book. https://www.digitalspy.com/...-tony-soprano-death/

I hated the ending that night, my wife and I went nuts. Then as I thought about it, that was a great ending.
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I hated the ending that night, my wife and I went nuts. Then as I thought about it, that was a great ending.

Same here, I remember initially thinking that the cable had gone out, but then thinking back to what Bobby said in the boat in the beginning that season about getting whacked (that breakdown that the person did is excellent btw).

The ending that Martin gave the showrunners is what they referred to as a "holy shit" moment. I keep thinking back to Dany's vision of the Iron Throne back in Season 2 when she was at the House of the Undying and the Red Keep is destroyed around it and a single dragon flying above, and then she sees Drogo and their son. My guess is she finally gets to within steps of the throne after chasing it since the very first episode, only to get killed (Jon? Jaime? Arya?) Whoever does it will be the "holy shit" twist.



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I hated the ending that night, my wife and I went nuts. Then as I thought about it, that was a great ending.

Same here, I remember initially thinking that the cable had gone out, but then thinking back to what Bobby said in the boat in the beginning that season about getting whacked (that breakdown that the person did is excellent btw).

The ending that Martin gave the showrunners is what they referred to as a "holy shit" moment. I keep thinking back to Dany's vision of the Iron Throne back in Season 2 when she was at the House of the Undying and the Red Keep is destroyed around it and a single dragon flying above, and then she sees Drogo and their son. My guess is she finally gets to within steps of the throne after chasing it since the very first episode, only to get killed (Jon? Jaime? Arya?) Whoever does it will be the "holy shit" twist.

Unless it is someone we thought was dead a long time ago is that even possible? The show is based on the premise that anyone can die at any time, anyone will kill someone at any time, no one is all good, never expect to get the ending you want or that has been foreshadowed, etc.

I think the only way I would give a 'holy shit' at this point is if they all lived happily ever after.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Arya wants to kill Cersei, Jaime and The Mountain; that's the only reason she's going to King's Landing

Maybe she backs off on Jaime now [as she has with The Hound] because of his "relationship" with Brienne? And it seems he now wants to kill Cersei as well

Jaime goes after Cersei
The Mountain steps in, Cersei 1) escapes 2a) watches with bloodthirsty enjoyment 2b) watches in horror at Jaime's betrayal; they battle; Jaime is wounded [shot by Bronn?]
Arya takes out Bronn to get to The Mountain, to help Jaime escape, she is also wounded
The Hound comes to assist Arya = CleganBowl
Arya recovers, takes The Mountain, but we lose The Hound as well
Jaime kills Cersei, but dies right after

Elsewhere:
Tyrion kills Danaerys
Whichever dragons are left, bend the knee to Tyrion
Jon abdicates the throne to Sansa [or maybe it goes to Gendry then? Being a Baratheon?]

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I'm starting to think that the Jon as the next night king theory has legs. When Jon was leaving for Kings Landing, Tormund tells him that he's got "the real north" in him. That, coupled with the theory that he's losing it due to Mellisandre's death makes me think it could happen.

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Arya wants to kill Cersei, Jaime and The Mountain; that's the only reason she's going to King's Landing

Maybe she backs off on Jaime now [as she has with The Hound] because of his "relationship" with Brienne? And it seems he now wants to kill Cersei as well

Nope. Jaime went back to save Cersei, not kill her. He is addicted to her. That's why Brienne was so upset.

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I'm starting to think that the Jon as the next night king theory has legs. When Jon was leaving for Kings Landing, Tormund tells him that he's got "the real north" in him. That, coupled with the theory that he's losing it due to Mellisandre's death makes me think it could happen.

Not so sure. Remember, the Night King turned a baby into a White Walker by touching it (Season 4, Episode 4). What happened to that baby?

The White Walkers are all Caster's sons. Samwell and Gilly took the last of Caster's sons with them (Little Sam). The White Walker found them and was killed by Sam. It is like Little Sam is a homing beacon for the White Walkers. What if all of Caster's sons are destined to be White Walkers? What is Little Sam is the last family of the Night King?

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TiDriver wrote:
I'm starting to think that the Jon as the next night king theory has legs. When Jon was leaving for Kings Landing, Tormund tells him that he's got "the real north" in him. That, coupled with the theory that he's losing it due to Mellisandre's death makes me think it could happen.


Not so sure. Remember, the Night King turned a baby into a White Walker by touching it (Season 4, Episode 4). What happened to that baby?

The White Walkers are all Caster's sons. Samwell and Gilly took the last of Caster's sons with them (Little Sam). The White Walker found them and was killed by Sam. It is like Little Sam is a homing beacon for the White Walkers. What if all of Caster's sons are destined to be White Walkers? What is Little Sam is the last family of the Night King?

you sure about that?
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RandMart wrote:
Arya wants to kill Cersei, Jaime and The Mountain; that's the only reason she's going to King's Landing

Maybe she backs off on Jaime now [as she has with The Hound] because of his "relationship" with Brienne? And it seems he now wants to kill Cersei as well

Nope. Jaime went back to save Cersei, not kill her. He is addicted to her. That's why Brienne was so upset.

I think you misread Jaime on that one. He said what he said to Brienne to make it easy to leave. Heā€™s going back to kill Cersei.

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Yup, that would fulfill the Valanqar prophecy (she is killed by a "little brother", and she was born first before Jaime). Jamie also told Bronn a few seasons back that he wanted to die in the arms of a woman that he loved, which would be either Cersei or Brienne.



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JSA wrote:
TiDriver wrote:
I'm starting to think that the Jon as the next night king theory has legs. When Jon was leaving for Kings Landing, Tormund tells him that he's got "the real north" in him. That, coupled with the theory that he's losing it due to Mellisandre's death makes me think it could happen.


Not so sure. Remember, the Night King turned a baby into a White Walker by touching it (Season 4, Episode 4). What happened to that baby?

The White Walkers are all Caster's sons. Samwell and Gilly took the last of Caster's sons with them (Little Sam). The White Walker found them and was killed by Sam. It is like Little Sam is a homing beacon for the White Walkers. What if all of Caster's sons are destined to be White Walkers? What is Little Sam is the last family of the Night King?

you sure about that?

Of course I am not positive, but pretty sure based on GoT wiki. All Casterā€™s sons are given to the White Walkers as babies. In the book, Caster brags of having 99 sons.

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JSA wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Arya wants to kill Cersei, Jaime and The Mountain; that's the only reason she's going to King's Landing

Maybe she backs off on Jaime now [as she has with The Hound] because of his "relationship" with Brienne? And it seems he now wants to kill Cersei as well

Nope. Jaime went back to save Cersei, not kill her. He is addicted to her. That's why Brienne was so upset.

I think you misread Jaime on that one. He said what he said to Brienne to make it easy to leave. Heā€™s going back to kill Cersei.

Could be. I didnā€™t read it that way, but, I certainly could have misread him.

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The GMAN wrote:
JSA wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Arya wants to kill Cersei, Jaime and The Mountain; that's the only reason she's going tI o King's Landing

Maybe she backs off on Jaime now [as she has with The Hound] because of his "relationship" with Brienne? And it seems he now wants to kill Cersei as well


Nope. Jaime went back to save Cersei, not kill her. He is addicted to her. That's why Brienne was so upset.


I think you misread Jaime on that one. He said what he said to Brienne to make it easy to leave. Heā€™s going back to kill Cersei.


Could be. I didnā€™t read it that way, but, I certainly could have misread him.

I think you misread him. GMan beat me to it. Brienne sees Jaime kill Cersei, is mortally wounded in the process, and dies in Brienne's arms. I think Jaime found true non-incestuous love with Brienne. This is about the only prediction I will make with a high level of confidence.
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He said what he said to Brienne to make it easy to leave. Heā€™s going back to kill Cersei.

D'Kid & I both took Jaime's goodbye to Brienne as "It's not you, it's me"

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TimeIsUp wrote:
JSA wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
JSA wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Arya wants to kill Cersei, Jaime and The Mountain; that's the only reason she's going tI o King's Landing

Maybe she backs off on Jaime now [as she has with The Hound] because of his "relationship" with Brienne? And it seems he now wants to kill Cersei as well


Nope. Jaime went back to save Cersei, not kill her. He is addicted to her. That's why Brienne was so upset.


I think you misread Jaime on that one. He said what he said to Brienne to make it easy to leave. Heā€™s going back to kill Cersei.


Could be. I didnā€™t read it that way, but, I certainly could have misread him.


I think you misread him. GMan beat me to it. Brienne sees Jaime kill Cersei, is mortally wounded in the process, and dies in Brienne's arms. I think Jaime found true non-incestuous love with Brienne. This is about the only prediction I will make with a high level of confidence.

Interesting comments by the director of that episode. I agree, could be a red herring, but, who knows.

The episode saw Jaime and Brienne of Tarth finally consummate their unspoken love for each other, one which unlike his relationship with Cersei is built on years of hard-earned trust and respect. Which made it all the harder to watch as he then abandoned Brienne in the middle of the night to return to his "hateful" sister, where he thinks he belongs.

David Nutter, the director of the episode, has some thoughts on the twisted connection between Jaime and Cersei, and what really prompted the disgraced knight to head south, barely two days after arriving in Winterfell and being reunited with Brienne.

ā€œI think [itā€™s] this magnet. Heā€™s always running back to Cersei ... and he canā€™t help himself. Too powerful for him to try to control,ā€ Nutter said in a recent interview with HuffPost. "And he needs to get back to her. I think itā€™s the kind of thing where heā€™s realizing who he is and what heā€™s made of."

This explanation seems to imply that Jaime's toxic love for Cersei will undermine the last eight years' worth of character development, and it would certainly be in keeping with the themes of the show for a redeemed man to be ultimately undone by his darker impulses. But it's also possible that Nutter's claims are all a red herring.

All Cersei's life, she has lived with a prophecy that her younger brother will kill her. She focused this fear on Tyrion, but her twin Jaime was born second, meaning he is also technically her younger brother. If Jaime is returning to King's Landing to end Cersei's life, adding "Queenslayer" to his existing title of "Kingslayer", it would be a fitting end to his arc - and provide a satisfying explanation for why he had to leave Brienne so soon after they finally got together. But maybe that's too obvious and optimistic a prediction for a show which consistently subverts tropes and kills off popular characters. I guess we'll find out tonight.

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Holy shit.
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Ya think

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So now who rules? The Starks are tainted by Dany's actions now. Tyrion is doomed. Dany goes after Sansa next for her "betrayal". She beheads Jon like Ned before him and sends the remaining Starks into hiding. And we are right back where we started, a tyrant on the throne.
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Well the prophecy held.
Both her little brothers conspired to kill her - albeit accidentally.
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So much for not wanting to be queen of the ashes.

Jamie apparently got his wish of dying in the arms of the woman he loved, unless the writers do something stupid like have them both climb out of the rubble next week.

Clegane Bowl lived up to the hype.



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So much for not wanting to be queen of the ashes.

Jamie apparently got his wish of dying in the arms of the woman he loved, unless the writers do something stupid like have them both climb out of the rubble next week.

Clegane Bowl lived up to the hype.


I was thinking the same thing, after 10 years of build up I can't believe this is how she would die. But at least the Hound went out with style.
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She drakarised the shit outta that joint. Set up Jon vs Danny, eh?

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Well the prophecy held.
Both her little brothers conspired to kill her - albeit accidentally.

Perhaps, but let it be known, I was the only one who said Jamie was off to save Cersei, not kill her. šŸ˜¬

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TimeIsUp wrote:
JSA wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
JSA wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Arya wants to kill Cersei, Jaime and The Mountain; that's the only reason she's going tI o King's Landing

Maybe she backs off on Jaime now [as she has with The Hound] because of his "relationship" with Brienne? And it seems he now wants to kill Cersei as well


Nope. Jaime went back to save Cersei, not kill her. He is addicted to her. That's why Brienne was so upset.


I think you misread Jaime on that one. He said what he said to Brienne to make it easy to leave. Heā€™s going back to kill Cersei.


Could be. I didnā€™t read it that way, but, I certainly could have misread him.


I think you misread him. GMan beat me to it. Brienne sees Jaime kill Cersei, is mortally wounded in the process, and dies in Brienne's arms. I think Jaime found true non-incestuous love with Brienne. This is about the only prediction I will make with a high level of confidence.

Ahem! You were saying? ;-)

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The GMAN wrote:
JSA wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Arya wants to kill Cersei, Jaime and The Mountain; that's the only reason she's going to King's Landing

Maybe she backs off on Jaime now [as she has with The Hound] because of his "relationship" with Brienne? And it seems he now wants to kill Cersei as well


Nope. Jaime went back to save Cersei, not kill her. He is addicted to her. That's why Brienne was so upset.


I think you misread Jaime on that one. He said what he said to Brienne to make it easy to leave. Heā€™s going back to kill Cersei.

As I was saying ... Jaime is addicted to Cersei ... ;-)

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She drakarised the shit outta that joint. Set up Jon vs Danny, eh?

Arya for the win ...

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So now who rules? The Starks are tainted by Dany's actions now. Tyrion is doomed. Dany goes after Sansa next for her "betrayal". She beheads Jon like Ned before him and sends the remaining Starks into hiding. And we are right back where we started, a tyrant on the throne.

I'm going with Danny stabbing John in the heart with Dragon Glass, body is left on the ground, Arya kills Danny, Tyrion takes the throne, the show ends with someone walking North pas the wall (it's John and he's the new Night King).
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JSA wrote:
TiDriver wrote:
She drakarised the shit outta that joint. Set up Jon vs Danny, eh?


Arya for the win ...

Always. I really liked what they did with her and Sandor.
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bluemonkeytri wrote:
So now who rules? The Starks are tainted by Dany's actions now. Tyrion is doomed. Dany goes after Sansa next for her "betrayal". She beheads Jon like Ned before him and sends the remaining Starks into hiding. And we are right back where we started, a tyrant on the throne.


I'm going with Danny stabbing John in the heart with Dragon Glass, body is left on the ground, Arya kills Danny, Tyrion takes the throne, the show ends with someone walking North pas the wall (it's John and he's the new Night King).

That would be awesome! But, I've been disappointed with the writing this season, so, I don't give them this much credit to come up with such an epic ending.

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JSA wrote:
TiDriver wrote:
She drakarised the shit outta that joint. Set up Jon vs Danny, eh?


Arya for the win ...


Always. I really liked what they did with her and Sandor.

Having Arya running through the burning city was epic. I've been quite critical of the writing and directing this season, but, the journey(s) of these two were simply brilliant.

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I think she was really the best one to show the chaos.... if she's scared and shocked, then we should be scared and shocked. Much better communication of how one would feel in that situation than if we were just following around some randos.
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JSA wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
So now who rules? The Starks are tainted by Dany's actions now. Tyrion is doomed. Dany goes after Sansa next for her "betrayal". She beheads Jon like Ned before him and sends the remaining Starks into hiding. And we are right back where we started, a tyrant on the throne.


I'm going with Danny stabbing John in the heart with Dragon Glass, body is left on the ground, Arya kills Danny, Tyrion takes the throne, the show ends with someone walking North pas the wall (it's John and he's the new Night King).

That would be awesome! But, I've been disappointed with the writing this season, so, I don't give them this much credit to come up with such an epic ending.

The visuals and the directing this episode were very good.

The ending is not going to deliver.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Best episode of the season.

I can't believe they brought Arya all the way down there for what we saw tonight. It was great, but did not effect the plot in any way. She has another hand to play yet. Love that she showed the Hound her respect in the end by calling him by his proper name as they parted. Her eyes on the ground perspective as we follow her flight out of town was awesome piece of filming. She's definitely stealing the show this season.

The Hound exited the show strong. Great character.

Euron exited the series as pointlessly as he entered.

Cerseis death seemed a tad anticlimactic and bloodless. I wouldn't be surprised if she crawls out of that mess.

I hat how they have made Tyrian so much of a bumbling naĆÆf now. He used to be leaps and bounds smarter and more clever than anyone around him. They've rolled him into irrelevance.

What wheels did Varys set in motion before he died and what was the significance of his conversation and interaction with that little girl. Was he trying to poisen Dany you think?

Do we end the series with Sansa and Brianne sitting up in Winterfell? Seems strange to leave them removed from the final actions. They may show up down south next episode.

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JSA wrote:
TimeIsUp wrote:
JSA wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
JSA wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Arya wants to kill Cersei, Jaime and The Mountain; that's the only reason she's going tI o King's Landing

Maybe she backs off on Jaime now [as she has with The Hound] because of his "relationship" with Brienne? And it seems he now wants to kill Cersei as well


Nope. Jaime went back to save Cersei, not kill her. He is addicted to her. That's why Brienne was so upset.


I think you misread Jaime on that one. He said what he said to Brienne to make it easy to leave. Heā€™s going back to kill Cersei.


Could be. I didnā€™t read it that way, but, I certainly could have misread him.


I think you misread him. GMan beat me to it. Brienne sees Jaime kill Cersei, is mortally wounded in the process, and dies in Brienne's arms. I think Jaime found true non-incestuous love with Brienne. This is about the only prediction I will make with a high level of confidence.

Ahem! You were saying? ;-)

Just finished watching. I knew I was gonna have this waiting for me. This was about as good as my UFC picks.
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Best episode of the season.

I can't believe they brought Arya all the way down there for what we saw tonight. It was great, but did not effect the plot in any way. She has another hand to play yet. Love that she showed the Hound her respect in the end by calling him by his proper name as they parted. Her eyes on the ground perspective as we follow her flight out of town was awesome piece of filming. She's definitely stealing the show this season.

The Hound exited the show strong. Great character.

Euron exited the series as pointlessly as he entered.

Cerseis death seemed a tad anticlimactic and bloodless. I wouldn't be surprised if she crawls out of that mess.

I hat how they have made Tyrian so much of a bumbling naĆÆf now. He used to be leaps and bounds smarter and more clever than anyone around him. They've rolled him into irrelevance.

What wheels did Varys set in motion before he died and what was the significance of his conversation and interaction with that little girl. Was he trying to poisen Dany you think?

Do we end the series with Sansa and Brianne sitting up in Winterfell? Seems strange to leave them removed from the final actions. They may show up down south next episode.

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Yes, Varys was trying to poison Daenarys. He was sending letters to all of the noble houses in the seven kingdoms telling them of John's claim to the throne and I assume that those birds "flew" to paraphrase Varys from season 1. It doesn't matter what he set in motion. There's nobody left to oppose Danny. The only way Danny dies now is if Arya kills her.

...I'm going to put it out there that one of Varys' letters made it to either Bravos or Pentos in Essos.
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Any thoughts on the symbolism of Arya and the horse final Scene? Iā€™m at a loss.
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So now who rules? The Starks are tainted by Dany's actions now. Tyrion is doomed. Dany goes after Sansa next for her "betrayal". She beheads Jon like Ned before him and sends the remaining Starks into hiding. And we are right back where we started, a tyrant on the throne.

You got it perfect. The more things change...

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Any thoughts on the symbolism of Arya and the horse final Scene? Iā€™m at a loss.

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Any thoughts on the symbolism of Arya and the horse final Scene? Iā€™m at a loss.

Biblical undertone: ā€œI looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death.ā€

Arya is 100% going to kill Daenerys in the next episode. In my opinion...
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Epic episode. Most riveting of whole series just about. Only part which tops it is ned losing his head imo. I always thought Daenerys had makings of a tyrant since she couldnā€™t show mercy to those she thought had wronged her.

I dunno if it will be Arya to kill Daenerys. This episode made Arya more ā€˜humanā€™ than cold blooded assassin.
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What an epic episode

Misread jamie

Arya is going to be fucking enraged by this

John realises he's backed the wrong horse

Disappointed in how cersei apparently has gone out

Sandor was awesome

Danny is a monster

The actual battle is what the battle against the night king should have been
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rekon jon will kill daenrys, maybe after she backs sansa into a corner in some way as the final straw

Not sure what Arya can do now, she had her moment with the night king. Doubt she will be the one to knife daeny....

What hasnt been discussed is greyworm. Hes gone full rage too. Maybe arya or brianne kill him.

Was expecting cersei to be torched by the dragon after an eyeball confrontation with daeny or something, a bit disappointing it came down to a falling building.

We are still yet to know what Tyrian's favour he asked of devros
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Endo wrote:
Best episode of the season.

I can't believe they brought Arya all the way down there for what we saw tonight. It was great, but did not effect the plot in any way. She has another hand to play yet. Love that she showed the Hound her respect in the end by calling him by his proper name as they parted. Her eyes on the ground perspective as we follow her flight out of town was awesome piece of filming. She's definitely stealing the show this season.

The Hound exited the show strong. Great character.

Euron exited the series as pointlessly as he entered.

Cerseis death seemed a tad anticlimactic and bloodless. I wouldn't be surprised if she crawls out of that mess.

I hat how they have made Tyrian so much of a bumbling naĆÆf now. He used to be leaps and bounds smarter and more clever than anyone around him. They've rolled him into irrelevance.

What wheels did Varys set in motion before he died and what was the significance of his conversation and interaction with that little girl. Was he trying to poisen Dany you think?

Do we end the series with Sansa and Brianne sitting up in Winterfell? Seems strange to leave them removed from the final actions. They may show up down south next episode.

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So did the Golden Company
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I think the favor was getting the boat in for Jamie to escape on.
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I think the favor was getting the boat in for Jamie to escape on.
ahhhhh ok makes sense
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I think it's clear daneyrs has gone all "falling down" but I suspect if she attempts to bring the fight to sansa its not going to go well for her

Grey worm went all war crimes on them
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I think it's clear daneyrs has gone all "falling down" but I suspect if she attempts to bring the fight to sansa its not going to go well for her

Grey worm went all war crimes on them

So did the Northern Army.
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I can hear the defense now.......... Just following.........
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In a show where supposedly actions have consequences, this has to mean something. But with the way the last 2 seasons have played out, probably not

And last night I thought the episode was great. After reading this, maybe not so much: https://www.usatoday.com/...e-cersei/1166469001/
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Agree with the article. I'm surprised so many thought this episode was good. This was a huge jumping of the shark (yet again). WTF do you need an army for when one dragon destroys the entire opposition, innocent or not. And this descent into madness...lets rush through that and have her burn the city after they surrender. I'm sure the books would have handled this better. Was it pieced together as a whole bunch of directors put their scenes together?
Fortunately Barry follows on HBO so my Sunday evenings haven't been a total waste.

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davec wrote:
Any thoughts on the symbolism of Arya and the horse final Scene? Iā€™m at a loss.

Watched it again this morning while on the trainer. I realized two things in the context of "The Lord of Light"

1. Sandor's last act was to prevent Arya from staying within the Red Keep, likely saving her. Barrick Dondarian was presumably resurrected and kept alive to save Arya. Melisandre was presumably guided through her life's journey to tell Arya that she was the one to kill the Night King. I think we can assume that Sandor's purpose was to stay alive long enough to tell Arya to leave the Red Keep.

2. I'm 95% sure that the horse we see Arya get on was Captain Strickland's horse that died earlier in the episode. The way we see the light behind the horse and its sudden provenance seems to indicate, to me, that the horse was sent there for Arya by The Lord of Light for a purpose.

A final note, I'm quite certain that Arya is Lightbringer (though I'm not sure who would be Azor Ahai, maybe John?). In the books there are three stages to forging Lightbringer: water, a lion, and love. In this context, the water was Arya's teacher, Syrio Forel who literally told her at one point "you are the sword". The Lion was Tywin Lannister. The Love was her experience at the House of Black and White where she had to renounce her family.
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Agree that the drogon had way too much power in fighting the Lannisters.
As for the lord of light, the books may have covered a lot of that, but the tv series wasnā€™t really ā€˜intoā€™ that angle as much. Iā€™d be surprised if the lord of light or anything to do with that area is even mentioned in the last episode. But who knows, I didnā€™t expect Cersei to die from bricks either.

Loved the hound- ā€˜why wonā€™t u fking dieā€™ haha
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Relative to the four preceding weeks Jr was good. That's the problem. The first four were so terrible that a plain crap episode looks like Oscar material
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Chri55 wrote:
Agree with the article. I'm surprised so many thought this episode was good. This was a huge jumping of the shark (yet again). WTF do you need an army for when one dragon destroys the entire opposition, innocent or not. And this descent into madness...lets rush through that and have her burn the city after they surrender. I'm sure the books would have handled this better. Was it pieced together as a whole bunch of directors put their scenes together?
Fortunately Barry follows on HBO so my Sunday evenings haven't been a total waste.


That article reflects the general sense of things as the series winds down. No one will be fully satisfied, and a tapestry as rich and dense as GoT simply can't be wrapped up neatly to everyone's liking.

The article quibbled more than it illuminated. Why does it matter if the bells were important before they served a purpose in this episode? Why assume walls were falling on Arya's head repeatedly, when it appeared to me that she was immersed in clouds of dust from rock falling dangerously close? Same with dragon fire just missing her. Not to mention that she's part of a cosmic destiny, which sort of imparts protection from dangers that tend to wipe out commoners like the woman and child she tried to save. How many more hours of plot development buildup did we really need to see before Varys recognized the truth of Dany, angled for Jon, and was subsequently executed for treason? Why wouldn't Dany keep a poignant symbol (the slave collar of her closest friend and advisor) of her raison d'etre on her journey to the throne? Why wouldn't Tyrion care about saving helpless innocents from destruction, when his entire life depended on that kind of empathy? And why should it be unsatisfying that Cersei and Jamie die together, literally and figuratively crushed by the weight of their malfeasance and grotesque ambition?

Yes, the battle tactics continued to disappoint, made-for-TV coincidences abound, and one wondered what kind of walkie talkies or text messaging system King's Landing had going, for it to be known instantly in the Red Keep that all of the big ass crossbows were destroyed, however it seemed like all of that was visible from the Keep. I'm watching it again tonight, but on reflection (and having never read the books) I didn't find this lynchpin episode to be disappointing at all. The hound got his revenge and it cost him, as it should; Wormy lost his shit, finally, and Dany gave him permission to do so; Jamie succumbed to his addiction; Cersei got exactly what she deserved as she deserved it; Jon got the long overdue kick in the nuts wake up call; Dany gave in to her base instincts that have been seeping through since her first appearance and seized power in true Targaryan fashion; Arya's true promise remains unfulfilled (for now) and she survived to fulfil her destiny; and Tyrion is left standing in the rubble, poised to fulfil his destiny of dying of old age with his cock in a whore's mouth.

I'm good.

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Any thoughts on the symbolism of Arya and the horse final Scene? Iā€™m at a loss.

My wife thought she was dead and riding into the light.
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The best tweet or response I have seen so far, from an article on The Ringer:

1. What is your tweet-length review of Season 8, Episode 5?
Ben Lindbergh: Oh, so now the scorpions take time to reload.
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I don't think Tyrion's run is done yet. He now realizes that he's fucked up severely by backing Danaerys, and it turns out that Varys was more of a friend to him and a champion of the people than he wanted to see - and it cost him his life. I agree with the others that Varys set something in motion, but don't have a theory yet. It definitely felt like a new line was drawn - Tyrion, Jon, Davos, Arya, Sansa, Brienne vs. Danaerys, Grey Worm, remaining army and dragon.

And, for a guy with two, presumably mortal knife wounds, Jamie sure did cover alot of ground to get from the beach to the depths of the Red Keep. That's some serious dirt he rubbed on it.

Going to watch again tonight as well.

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I think the issue I have is that they spent so long building things up and then just dispatch them and leave them. And it isn't new.

The dire wolves are tied to each kid of the Starks. Until they actually don't do much at all.

Rob and Kat Stark are leading the north against the Lannisters. Until they all get stabbed in the chest because they go without arms or men into the castle of the guy they betrayed and don't trust at all.

Bran has an epic whole series journey to become the Three Eyed Raven. Until he sits in a chair and drinks Arnold Palmers while the war rages around him.

The Night King is the ultimate bad guy. Until a little girl jumps in from nowhere and stabs him. Then he and the whole army of the dead goes poof.

The Wildlings are a large army backing Jon. Until they just go, 'Welp, time to go home.'

Euron and the Golden Company are backing Cersei and it will be a battle royale. How can Daenerys possibly have enough men to fight them all. Until they light a match while standing in a room full of gas and are gone in an instant with no trouble at all.

Jaimie has a multi-season arc of redemption. Until he doesn't.

Arya has a multi-season are of revenge against Cersei for killing her dad. Until we drop a piano on Cersei's head.

Daenerys is saving the downtrodden and nothing like her evil brother or mad father. Until she gets emotional about her friend dying in a world where everyone dies then she just kills everyone in a fit of rage.

I'm just not sure how you deal with Daenerys' descent into madness and resolve that in one episode. It is too late to redeem her for killing tens of thousands. So she can't now be the good guy. Same with Greyworm. So you either have to kill them and Drogon and put Gendry on the throne. With Tyrion being the Queenslayer and a Baratheon on the the throne. And the whole point of the story is the more things change the more they stay the same. Or you let Deanerys be the mad queen ruling over a pile of ash.

I know Martin always liked to go the opposite way everyone wanted the story to go. That was his thing. But what is the point of plot and character development if you are going to toss it without a thought?

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Agreed.



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That article reflects the general sense of things as the series winds down. No one will be fully satisfied, and a tapestry as rich and dense as GoT simply can't be wrapped up neatly to everyone's liking.

The article quibbled more than it illuminated. Why does it matter if the bells were important before they served a purpose in this episode? Why assume walls were falling on Arya's head repeatedly, when it appeared to me that she was immersed in clouds of dust from rock falling dangerously close? Same with dragon fire just missing her. Not to mention that she's part of a cosmic destiny, which sort of imparts protection from dangers that tend to wipe out commoners like the woman and child she tried to save. How many more hours of plot development buildup did we really need to see before Varys recognized the truth of Dany, angled for Jon, and was subsequently executed for treason? Why wouldn't Dany keep a poignant symbol (the slave collar of her closest friend and advisor) of her raison d'etre on her journey to the throne? Why wouldn't Tyrion care about saving helpless innocents from destruction, when his entire life depended on that kind of empathy? And why should it be unsatisfying that Cersei and Jamie die together, literally and figuratively crushed by the weight of their malfeasance and grotesque ambition?

Yes, the battle tactics continued to disappoint, made-for-TV coincidences abound, and one wondered what kind of walkie talkies or text messaging system King's Landing had going, for it to be known instantly in the Red Keep that all of the big ass crossbows were destroyed, however it seemed like all of that was visible from the Keep. I'm watching it again tonight, but on reflection (and having never read the books) I didn't find this lynchpin episode to be disappointing at all. The hound got his revenge and it cost him, as it should; Wormy lost his shit, finally, and Dany gave him permission to do so; Jamie succumbed to his addiction; Cersei got exactly what she deserved as she deserved it; Jon got the long overdue kick in the nuts wake up call; Dany gave in to her base instincts that have been seeping through since her first appearance and seized power in true Targaryan fashion; Arya's true promise remains unfulfilled (for now) and she survived to fulfil her destiny; and Tyrion is left standing in the rubble, poised to fulfil his destiny of dying of old age with his cock in a whore's mouth.

I'm good.

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Danny knew that a ruler needs to be loved or feared. She was hoping to be loved. She had not yet been loved by Westeros, despite all her actions (not burning down the red keep immediately, not laying siege to kings landing, helping defeat the army of the dead, etc). But none of that worked. She then hoped that marrying the man that most loved, Jon, would work. But Jon could not do it. So she thought her only option now was fear and to be more feared than Jon was loved. She wanted to make an example of Kings Landing so that the rest of Westeros would know what happens if you don't accept her (looking at you Sansa up north).

I just don't see this as some crazy unexpected turn.
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Good summary. As far as next week, there's no question that Dany dies but rather is it Arya or Jon who does it. She has threatened to do what she did last night throughout the whole series but always had someone (Jorah, Tyrion, Missandei, Baristan Selmy, Daario) to advise her or control her worst impulses; once the bells rang I think she was just like ""F it" with no one to stop her and Grey Worm quickly followed suit.

There's not much left in King's Landing to rule where much of the city was destroyed and many of its residents killed, so I think what's left for Dany is to see the Iron Throne as she did in her season 2 vision and then get bumped off. Jon doesn't want to rule and Gendry has a claim, so he's the last one standing at this point.

I feel like Bronn was wasted this entire season. Brief appearance in the first episode when his foursome was interrupted when Qyburn gave him the crossbow, and then again last week when he pops in on Jaime and Tyrion to remind them that he is still around. Other than him collecting Highgarden next week (if that even happens) I sdon't know what other purpose he serves at this point.



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Danny knew that a ruler needs to be loved or feared. She was hoping to be loved. She had not yet been loved by Westeros, despite all her actions (not burning down the red keep immediately, not laying siege to kings landing, helping defeat the army of the dead, etc). But none of that worked. She then hoped that marrying the man that most loved, Jon, would work. But Jon could not do it. So she thought her only option now was fear and to be more feared than Jon was loved. She wanted to make an example of Kings Landing so that the rest of Westeros would know what happens if you don't accept her (looking at you Sansa up north).

I just don't see this as some crazy unexpected turn.

It isn't. But, just one week ago, the Iron Fleet took down a dragon, took out Danny's entire fleet, and went unscathed. Now, one week later, a set, prepared Iron Fleet with wall-mounted cross-bows in reserve, is completely and utterly devastated in a couple passes. It's horribly lazy writing.

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And yet, he did neither

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I just don't see this as some crazy unexpected turn.


A person I know is a hardcore feminist and I think really wanted to Dany to be a JFK or a Ronald Reagan or something and is pissed to no end that Dany turned out this way....or rather, that the "misogynist writers" wrote her this way.

One of the charges was that this went against her character.


I, on the other hand, am with you. I thought her entire character arc has been about corrupting power. There have been many episodes over the seasons where she's either had to make hard choices that tarnished her former idealism, or where she's realized that she simply doesn't have to put up with anyone's shit when she has dragons. Take that arc and add to it a land of people who don't love her, a lover who is a threat to her place on the throne, an evil enemy who has antagonized her (killed her friend in front of her), it was the perfect formula to let the Mad King come out of her.

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chaparral wrote:
Danny knew that a ruler needs to be loved or feared. She was hoping to be loved. She had not yet been loved by Westeros, despite all her actions (not burning down the red keep immediately, not laying siege to kings landing, helping defeat the army of the dead, etc). But none of that worked. She then hoped that marrying the man that most loved, Jon, would work. But Jon could not do it. So she thought her only option now was fear and to be more feared than Jon was loved. She wanted to make an example of Kings Landing so that the rest of Westeros would know what happens if you don't accept her (looking at you Sansa up north).

I just don't see this as some crazy unexpected turn.


It isn't. But, just one week ago, the Iron Fleet took down a dragon, took out Danny's entire fleet, and went unscathed. Now, one week later, a set, prepared Iron Fleet with wall-mounted cross-bows in reserve, is completely and utterly devastated in a couple passes. It's horribly lazy writing.

The one thing I noticed is that her tactics were completely different flying this week than last. Last week the Dragons were nonchalantly flying around like they owned the sky. This week she came in with the sun at her back so it was hard to see, she flew low so it would be harder to target the dragon without hitting the ship and changed the angles and flew in from varying positions. I didn't have a HUGE problem with that aspect. I thought it was lazier last week that she couldn't have possibly seen the fleet until the last minute.
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I just don't see this as some crazy unexpected turn.


A person I know is a hardcore feminist and I think really wanted to Dany to be a JFK or a Ronald Reagan or something and is pissed to no end that Dany turned out this was....or rather, that the "misogynist writers" wrote her this way.

One of the charges was that this went against her character.


I, on the other hand, am with you. I thought her entire character arc has been about corrupting power. There have been many episodes over the seasons where she's either had to make hard choices that tarnished her former idealism, or where she's realized that she simply doesn't have to put up with anyone's shit when she has dragons. Take that arc and add to it a land of people who don't love her, a lover who is a threat to her place on the throne, an evil enemy who has antagonized her (killed her friend in front of her), it was the perfect formula to let the Mad King come out of her.

Not only that, but, while Jon keeps saying he loves Danny, he does not seem to be able to be intimate with her, given the knowledge she is his aunt. For Danny, growing up in a world where relatives married, this is not odd. But, Jon seems to be struggling with the fact they are related. His inability to be intimate seems to be more about the fact they are related than about the struggle over the throne or anything else. This destroys Danny. Add that to the fact her most trusted advisers are acting against her interests and she truly is alone in the world.

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"I feel like Bronn was wasted this entire season"


I'm with you here, so far. But I have think he'll make one more appearance of note. With Cersei presumably dead, and Tyrion already upping his ante with Bronn while in Winterfell, could Tyrion get Bronn to assassinate Daenerys. Not saying Bronn will succeed, but he's sellsword, and has already shown his greed a few times.

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I had assumed some people might have a problem with this.

I agree with your assessment. In short, the first time they saw the scorpions, they were taken by surprise and didn't know what to do. Ultimately, she panicked, and fled.

This time she was ready, came in with a plan, and had a little "I don't give a fuck anymore" rage-mojo with her.

Had they had more time, they might have written in the "attack plan," which is usually all anyone needs to be okay with something in a movie/tv show. For some reason, people have this gut reaction that if something isn't explained on screen, then it didn't take place.


Same goes for the previous episode. "How did they get off three shots?" The dragon didn't see it coming. "How did he not see it?" They were an elite navy that knew where to hide. I mean, seriously, do people really need a scene explaining that they will be hiding behind the cliffs on an island that perfectly blocks the views of anyone coming from a certain direction and that the dragons will be flying low because of a low cloud ceiling that day......or whatever reason they need to write in?








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The one thing I noticed is that her tactics were completely different flying this week than last. Last week the Dragons were nonchalantly flying around like they owned the sky. This week she came in with the sun at her back so it was hard to see, she flew low so it would be harder to target the dragon without hitting the ship and changed the angles and flew in from varying positions. I didn't have a HUGE problem with that aspect. I thought it was lazier last week that she couldn't have possibly seen the fleet until the last minute.

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davec wrote:
Any thoughts on the symbolism of Arya and the horse final Scene? Iā€™m at a loss.


Watched it again this morning while on the trainer. I realized two things in the context of "The Lord of Light"

1. Sandor's last act was to prevent Arya from staying within the Red Keep, likely saving her. Barrick Dondarian was presumably resurrected and kept alive to save Arya. Melisandre was presumably guided through her life's journey to tell Arya that she was the one to kill the Night King. I think we can assume that Sandor's purpose was to stay alive long enough to tell Arya to leave the Red Keep.

2. I'm 95% sure that the horse we see Arya get on was Captain Strickland's horse that died earlier in the episode. The way we see the light behind the horse and its sudden provenance seems to indicate, to me, that the horse was sent there for Arya by The Lord of Light for a purpose.

A final note, I'm quite certain that Arya is Lightbringer (though I'm not sure who would be Azor Ahai, maybe John?). In the books there are three stages to forging Lightbringer: water, a lion, and love. In this context, the water was Arya's teacher, Syrio Forel who literally told her at one point "you are the sword". The Lion was Tywin Lannister. The Love was her experience at the House of Black and White where she had to renounce her family.

I find it hard to believe that Arya will be charged with the two biggest "kills" of the series. There is zero emotional impact to her killing Dany. It has to be John or even Tyrion.
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I'm just not sure how you deal with Daenerys' descent into madness and resolve that in one episode. It is too late to redeem her for killing tens of thousands. So she can't now be the good guy. Same with Greyworm. So you either have to kill them and Drogon and put Gendry on the throne. With Tyrion being the Queenslayer and a Baratheon on the the throne. And the whole point of the story is the more things change the more they stay the same. Or you let Deanerys be the mad queen ruling over a pile of ash.

how about: Arya comes back to the main camp and takes out Grey Worm, then uses his face to get close to Danaerys. Does she then take out Danaerys, or Drogon? Because taking out Dany within the dragon's awareness is likely to be bad for anyone within blast radius. Another way that could go would be for Jon to somehow turn Drogon to his side.

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Iā€™m thinking that Dany kills everyone. It would be too clean to have Jon, Tyrion or Arya kill her.

Maybe Greyworm finds his conscious and he is the one to kill Dany.

They never showed Cerseiā€™s dead body. Kind of like Stannis. We donā€™t know for certain that they are dead.
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Cersei is uncertain. Stannis is most definitely certain.
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Iā€™m thinking that Dany kills everyone. It would be too clean to have Jon, Tyrion or Arya kill her.

Maybe Greyworm finds his conscious and he is the one to kill Dany.

They never showed Cerseiā€™s dead body. Kind of like Stannis. We donā€™t know for certain that they are dead.

Thereā€™s a chance that wild fire caches erupt around the city and kill everyone including Drogon leaving nobody to sit on the throne.
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GreenPlease wrote:
davec wrote:
Any thoughts on the symbolism of Arya and the horse final Scene? Iā€™m at a loss.


Watched it again this morning while on the trainer. I realized two things in the context of "The Lord of Light"

1. Sandor's last act was to prevent Arya from staying within the Red Keep, likely saving her. Barrick Dondarian was presumably resurrected and kept alive to save Arya. Melisandre was presumably guided through her life's journey to tell Arya that she was the one to kill the Night King. I think we can assume that Sandor's purpose was to stay alive long enough to tell Arya to leave the Red Keep.

2. I'm 95% sure that the horse we see Arya get on was Captain Strickland's horse that died earlier in the episode. The way we see the light behind the horse and its sudden provenance seems to indicate, to me, that the horse was sent there for Arya by The Lord of Light for a purpose.

A final note, I'm quite certain that Arya is Lightbringer (though I'm not sure who would be Azor Ahai, maybe John?). In the books there are three stages to forging Lightbringer: water, a lion, and love. In this context, the water was Arya's teacher, Syrio Forel who literally told her at one point "you are the sword". The Lion was Tywin Lannister. The Love was her experience at the House of Black and White where she had to renounce her family.


I find it hard to believe that Arya will be charged with the two biggest "kills" of the series. There is zero emotional impact to her killing Dany. It has to be John or even Tyrion.

Maybe she will use Johns face?

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Good summary. As far as next week, there's no question that Dany dies but rather is it Arya or Jon who does it. She has threatened to do what she did last night throughout the whole series but always had someone (Jorah, Tyrion, Missandei, Baristan Selmy, Daario) to advise her or control her worst impulses; once the bells rang I think she was just like ""F it" with no one to stop her and Grey Worm quickly followed suit.

There's not much left in King's Landing to rule where much of the city was destroyed and many of its residents killed, so I think what's left for Dany is to see the Iron Throne as she did in her season 2 vision and then get bumped off. Jon doesn't want to rule and Gendry has a claim, so he's the last one standing at this point.

I feel like Bronn was wasted this entire season. Brief appearance in the first episode when his foursome was interrupted when Qyburn gave him the crossbow, and then again last week when he pops in on Jaime and Tyrion to remind them that he is still around. Other than him collecting Highgarden next week (if that even happens) I sdon't know what other purpose he serves at this point.

I agree with you 100%. Agree re Bronn but if you were him and saw what just happened to Kingā€™s Landing... maybe the best thing is to just GTFO?
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Re tactics, her first move by diving from a high angle and keeping her speed... very effective. Flying low and fast would also be effective given the ballistic trajectory of the arrows. The AA weapons of early WW2 struggled with both angles of attack.... especially high AOA due to exactly what we saw in the show: inability to traverse beyond a certain angle at which point you have to move through a huge arc of azimuth which is slow. When I was a kid I spent a summer reading a history of air combat maneuvers :)
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Does the Iron throne still exist?

Would the fires have melted the throne?
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Re: the white horse and the book of revelation. I wonder if the writers are fans of Westerns. I was thinking of Pale Rider when I saw it.
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This season sucks.

Didn't the Pirate Prince in the books talk about Azhor Ahai put Lightbringer into his wife's heart?

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Yes, thatā€™s correct. However there are a lot of illusions both in the books and in the show that prophecies arenā€™t literal.
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Does the Iron throne still exist?

Would the fires have melted the throne?

I suspect it still exists but that doesnā€™t mean it has to exist after the last episode. Maybe Danny melts it down.
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Re: the white horse and the book of revelation. I wonder if the writers are fans of Westerns. I was thinking of Pale Rider when I saw it.

I was thinking Tombstone.

I was reading in the NYT recap that the books allude to a prophecy that Dany receives while she was in Qarth about a pale mare coming for her.



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Re: the white horse and the book of revelation. I wonder if the writers are fans of Westerns. I was thinking of Pale Rider when I saw it.

I was thinking Tombstone.

I was reading in the NYT recap that the books allude to a prophecy that Dany receives while she was in Qarth about a pale male coming for her.

Pale male? You mean pale mare?


ā€œThe glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sunā€™s son and the mummerā€™s dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal.ā€





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OOPS! Damn typo! : )



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OOPS! Damn typo! : )

That's what I thought you meant, but, I had to double-check my memory! ;-)

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Hell, Bran is pretty pale - figured maybe he was actually going to do something.

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Hell, Bran is pretty pale - figured maybe he was actually going to do something.

Bran's only purpose, at least in the show, was to be the bait for the Night King. And to help with Jon's lineage. I'd be surprised if Bran had anything else to do in the series.
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The pale mare was the name for dysentery in Mereen. So that prophecy has been fulfilled.

"Once for love" is still out there. So I would go with John killing Dany.

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Sansa is on the way to Kings Landing to support Jon as she did in the Battle of the Bastards, feels he is the one, no trust that Dany will allow the North to remain the North. Brienne comes along to protect Sansa. Brienne in the end kills Dany to become Queenslayer opposite Jamie the Kingslayer.
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tgrunnin wrote:
Sansa is on the way to Kings Landing to support Jon as she did in the Battle of the Bastards, feels he is the one, no trust that Dany will allow the North to remain the North. Brienne comes along to protect Sansa. Brienne in the end kills Dany to become Queenslayer opposite Jamie the Kingslayer.

Very possible. Don't forget she already took down Stannis.
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Re: the white horse and the book of revelation. I wonder if the writers are fans of Westerns. I was thinking of Pale Rider when I saw it.

I was thinking Tombstone.

I was reading in the NYT recap that the books allude to a prophecy that Dany receives while she was in Qarth about a pale mare coming for her.

I forgot about Tombstone.

I just read a theory that the white horse is a reincarnation of Sandor Glegane. Interesting but GoT does not seem to be going that deep this series so I doubt this will be the case. I do like it though.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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I thought Arya was dead, and her ghost was riding out on the little girl's horse



Since she showed up in next week's trailer, I think we're good

But there's still no promise that she's NOT a ghost, really, in a Bruce Willis/Sixth Sense or Violet in AHS: Murder House "Oh shit! I'm dead?" kinda way

Or maybe The Lord of Light brought her back from the Dead, like Beric & Jon?

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RandMart wrote:
I thought Arya was dead, and her ghost was riding out on the little girl's horse

When have the writers been that clever? Especially this season.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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j p o wrote:
RandMart wrote:
I thought Arya was dead, and her ghost was riding out on the little girl's horse


When have the writers been that clever? Especially this season.

At this point, the best ending would be to turn it over to Marvel and have Thor and Hulk do another buddy movie introducing the multiverse and ridding Westeros of Dany. Hulk vs Drogon baby!
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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I think lebowski thor and Bron would get on very well
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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bluemonkeytri wrote:
j p o wrote:
RandMart wrote:
I thought Arya was dead, and her ghost was riding out on the little girl's horse


When have the writers been that clever? Especially this season.


At this point, the best ending would be to turn it over to Marvel and have Thor and Hulk do another buddy movie introducing the multiverse and ridding Westeros of Dany. Hulk vs Drogon baby!

Banner is actually a Targaryen.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [tgrunnin] [ In reply to ]
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tgrunnin wrote:
Sansa is on the way to Kings Landing to support Jon as she did in the Battle of the Bastards, feels he is the one, no trust that Dany will allow the North to remain the North. Brienne comes along to protect Sansa. Brienne in the end kills Dany to become Queenslayer opposite Jamie the Kingslayer.

Doesn't there always have to be a Stark in Winterfell? And Brann no longer qualifies since he is the Three Eyed Raven.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
Yes, thatā€™s correct. However there are a lot of illusions both in the books and in the show that prophecies arenā€™t literal.

Well my guess here is the Jon kills her.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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where was Gendry? Did he stay behind at Wbterfell? I donā€™t remember him being referenced this episode.

Final scene - Jamie and Cersei in a boat floating away into the sunset.
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He wasn't. I'm guessing he made the march south and was sent with a group of Men at Arms to claim Storms End, the show is really bad at this stuff. Especially so this season, one where they've spent so much dinero.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
davec wrote:
Any thoughts on the symbolism of Arya and the horse final Scene? Iā€™m at a loss.




2. I'm 95% sure that the horse we see Arya get on was Captain Strickland's horse that died earlier in the episode. The way we see the light behind the horse and its sudden provenance seems to indicate, to me, that the horse was sent there for Arya by The Lord of Light for a purpose.
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Daenerys Targaryen has green eyes.


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where was Gendry? Did he stay behind at Wbterfell? I donā€™t remember him being referenced this episode.

Final scene - Jamie and Cersei in a boat floating away into the sunset.

I think Gendry will row them into the sunset.
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Is it just me or were these events with Daenrys foreshadowed from the end of season 2 with that Warlock tower episode where she had some visions?
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Some folks have tried to link some of her earlier "mad" scenes. But those are kind of weak. This video is kind of my feelings on this episode and really this season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuFmzgK5nD0

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [fulla] [ In reply to ]
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fulla wrote:
Is it just me or were these events with Daenrys foreshadowed from the end of season 2 with that Warlock tower episode where she had some visions?

Yes. Also donā€™t forget Branā€™s visions when he had just become the Three Eyed Raven.
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Weak? Really? She has been merciless in executing anyone who opposed or crossed her. It's not such a big leap that she finally loses it when she realises she is all alone and that there are threats to her power and she finally learns how to fly her dragon to maximum damage and impact.

Power is something she has been pretty intent on getting ever since she started her reign of conquests, thinking it was her 'destiny'. Game of Thrones has always fucked with people who think they are somehow destined for something.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [BreadPudding] [ In reply to ]
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Also, Arya has killed ice. It only makes sense that she would also kill Fire.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I was thinking about the end of the CleaganBowl, when The Hound shoved The Mountain through the wall of The High Tower, and they both fell to their Deaths

A considerable fall, it was

So ...

How the fuck did everyone get up that impressive tower, using only the steps, and not arrive at the top, completely fucking gassed? That's more that a few dozen flights, maybe as many as a hundred?

I'm guessing any Kingdom that can design & create gigantic crossbows, could've at lease come up with a fucking elevator?

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When my son was first reading a game of thrones, he said there's going to be a showdown between the two princesses, Dany and Sansa. By the end of the book he had given up that theory. Now I think he may be right.

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I donā€™t see how anyone could challenge Daenerys in a conventional battle. The Unsullied and Dothraki alone are absurdly potent but then you have Drogon. Plus the Northern Army. No way the Northern Army fights for Sansa just because she shows up. It would be a death sentence.

Iā€™m thinking back to what Sir Jora said at the end of Season 7 ā€œa Northman with a bow and one well placed arrow...ā€ I think Arya kills Daenerys with a well-placed shot. The series basically opens with her using a bow and arrow. It would be a fitting end.
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GreenPlease wrote:
I donā€™t see how anyone could challenge Daenerys in a conventional battle. The Unsullied and Dothraki alone are absurdly potent but then you have Drogon. Plus the Northern Army. No way the Northern Army fights for Sansa just because she shows up. It would be a death sentence.

Iā€™m thinking back to what Sir Jora said at the end of Season 7 ā€œa Northman with a bow and one well placed arrow...ā€ I think Arya kills Daenerys with a well-placed shot. The series basically opens with her using a bow and arrow. It would be a fitting end.

Don't you have to take out Drogon before taking out Danny? Seems Drogon would burn the earth if something happened to Danny.

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I don't have the slightest clue how anyone can take out Drogon at this point. The only thing that's left in the Seven Kingdoms that can kill a dragon that I know of is the Wild Fire under King's Landing. Danny set some of that Wild Fire off when she decided to torch the place (those were the green flames). The only two people who know about the Wild Fire caches are Tyrion and Sir Davos.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
I don't have the slightest clue how anyone can take out Drogon at this point. The only thing that's left in the Seven Kingdoms that can kill a dragon that I know of is the Wild Fire under King's Landing. Danny set some of that Wild Fire off when she decided to torch the place (those were the green flames). The only two people who know about the Wild Fire caches are Tyrion and Sir Davos.

Poison?

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I don't have much of a plan for feeding a dragon poison (and you definitely have to deal with Drogon to end the story). Per Danny and Sansa:

"What do dragons eat, anyway?"
"Whatever they want."
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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JSA wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
I don't have the slightest clue how anyone can take out Drogon at this point. The only thing that's left in the Seven Kingdoms that can kill a dragon that I know of is the Wild Fire under King's Landing. Danny set some of that Wild Fire off when she decided to torch the place (those were the green flames). The only two people who know about the Wild Fire caches are Tyrion and Sir Davos.


Poison?

That's how the Citadel killed them off (mentioned in the books). Maybe one of Sam's books has instructions.

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TheStroBro wrote:
Some folks have tried to link some of her earlier "mad" scenes. But those are kind of weak. This video is kind of my feelings on this episode and really this season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuFmzgK5nD0

A false humanity is used to impose its opposite, by people whose cruelty is equalled only by their arrogance
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Don't you have to take out Drogon before taking out Danny? Seems Drogon would burn the earth if something happened to Danny.

Or you can take out Danny and then face the consequences.............roll credits.

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Don't you have to take out Drogon before taking out Danny? Seems Drogon would burn the earth if something happened to Danny.


Or you can take out Danny and then face the consequences.............roll credits.

Tell you what - if they end the show killing Danny, then showing Drogon starting to open his mouth, then fade to black, a whole lotta people gonna be pissed!

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If you kill Dany first, she canā€™t say ā€œDracharysā€ to Drogon
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [tgrunnin] [ In reply to ]
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tgrunnin wrote:
If you kill Dany first, she canā€™t say ā€œDracharysā€ to Drogon

If you kill Dany, I don't think anyone needs to say anything to get a fire shower.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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JSA wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
I don't have the slightest clue how anyone can take out Drogon at this point. The only thing that's left in the Seven Kingdoms that can kill a dragon that I know of is the Wild Fire under King's Landing. Danny set some of that Wild Fire off when she decided to torch the place (those were the green flames). The only two people who know about the Wild Fire caches are Tyrion and Sir Davos.


Poison?

Since everything they eat is cooked in dragon fire...how would you poison a dragon?

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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TheStroBro wrote:
JSA wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
I don't have the slightest clue how anyone can take out Drogon at this point. The only thing that's left in the Seven Kingdoms that can kill a dragon that I know of is the Wild Fire under King's Landing. Danny set some of that Wild Fire off when she decided to torch the place (those were the green flames). The only two people who know about the Wild Fire caches are Tyrion and Sir Davos.


Poison?


Since everything they eat is cooked in dragon fire...how would you poison a dragon?



One story from the Bibleā€™s Book of Daniel tells of the titular prophetā€™s rather eventful trip to Babylonia. One day, the king of Babylonia spoke to Daniel of a great dragon god whom he and his people revered. In response, Daniel asked for (and was granted) permission to prove that it was only a mortal creature and not divine at all.

Rather than fight the dragon, Daniel devised a clever plot to poison it. He combined pitch, fat, and hair, creating some of the nastiest ā€œcakesā€ known to man. He offered them to the dragon, which ate them without hesitation. The plan worked, and the cakes killed the dragon. Unhappily for Daniel, the Babylonians were far from pleased that their god had been destroyed. They tossed Daniel into the lionsā€™ denā€”literally. He survived, of course, but that is another tale for another time.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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is their a way drogo could side with jon? he is a tagerean or however you spell it.
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IamSpartacus wrote:
is their a way drogo could side with jon? he is a tagerean or however you spell it.

I think Sam figures out how to kill a dragon. I also think Tyrion kills Dany, the hand (Jamie) killed the last crazy targaryan, the hand will kill this crazy targaryan.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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Jaime was kings guard, not hand, John Arryn was hand.

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IamSpartacus wrote:
is their a way drogo could side with jon? he is a tagerean or however you spell it.

I'm quite certain that it is canon that the dragon "bonds" with its rider.
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GrimOopNorth wrote:
Jaime was kings guard, not hand, John Arryn was hand.

Thatā€™s right. My mistake.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart wrote:

I'm guessing any Kingdom that can design & create gigantic crossbows, could've at lease come up with a fucking elevator?

They had one at the Wall. No doubt theyā€™d have one at Kings Landing.

Westeros has a blanket OHS policy; in the event of fire do not use the elevators but instead use the stairs.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
IamSpartacus wrote:
is their a way drogo could side with jon? he is a tagerean or however you spell it.

I'm quite certain that it is canon that the dragon "bonds" with its rider.

Right, and the way the show has thrown estabishled history down the shitter this season I expect them to discover suddenly,that killing the rider kills the dragon.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [IamSpartacus] [ In reply to ]
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IamSpartacus wrote:
patentattorney wrote:
I think the favor was getting the boat in for Jamie to escape on.
ahhhhh ok makes sense

Or was the favour stealing the key to unlock Jamieā€™s cuffs? How else would Tyrion have it?
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [mv2005] [ In reply to ]
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Well now we know what Bran was doing the whole time King's Landing burned... https://www.theringer.com/...ding-burned-daenerys
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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https://deadspin.com/...ht-s-game-1834721837

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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He didn't have to act much to be on the losing side...
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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I think you all are giving the writers far too much credit to be able to handle this last episode logically. If we have learned one thing this season, dealing with the Dany/Drogon thing will be in the most ham-handed fashion possible. Probably at the hands of some WTF plot device they pulled out of their asses.

They have a lot of strings to bring together next episode. I'm betting we'll see more of the same thing we've been getting all season.

Just let it go and enjoy the popcorn flick the series has turned into. You'll be less disappointed.


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mv2005 wrote:
RandMart wrote:


I'm guessing any Kingdom that can design & create gigantic crossbows, could've at lease come up with a fucking elevator?


They had one at the Wall. No doubt theyā€™d have one at Kings Landing.

Westeros has a blanket OHS policy; in the event of fire do not use the elevators but instead use the stairs.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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TheStroBro wrote:
Some folks have tried to link some of her earlier "mad" scenes. But those are kind of weak. This video is kind of my feelings on this episode and really this season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuFmzgK5nD0

A comment on that video explains a lot. Apparently there was an update to the series.

"Patch 8.5 notes: -We realized Scorpions are too unhealthy for the game and deserved a massive nerf. (Damage changed from 120 to 90. Accurracy changed from 85% to 35%) -On a side note we are buffing Drogon's base move speed to compensate the lack of Rhaegon. (Base MS changed from 545 to 725) -We also realized Varys and Tyrion had way too high base intelligence and addressed that as well. (Base INT changed from 500 to 385)ļ»æ"

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
davec wrote:
Any thoughts on the symbolism of Arya and the horse final Scene? Iā€™m at a loss.


Biblical undertone: ā€œI looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death.ā€

Arya is 100% going to kill Daenerys in the next episode. In my opinion...

I was thinking the same thing.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Giant Steps] [ In reply to ]
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Giant Steps wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
davec wrote:
Any thoughts on the symbolism of Arya and the horse final Scene? Iā€™m at a loss.


Biblical undertone: ā€œI looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death.ā€

Arya is 100% going to kill Daenerys in the next episode. In my opinion...


I was thinking the same thing.



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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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I hope not. Arya already killed the NK. Now she's going to kill Dany to save the Seven Kingdoms again? Then GRRM should have just named his series "Unibrow - The Story of Arya Stark".
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
I don't have the slightest clue how anyone can take out Drogon at this point. The only thing that's left in the Seven Kingdoms that can kill a dragon that I know of is the Wild Fire under King's Landing. Danny set some of that Wild Fire off when she decided to torch the place (those were the green flames). The only two people who know about the Wild Fire caches are Tyrion and Sir Davos.

Bran warging. He has to do something big this last episode. Too much build up not to happen.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TimeIsUp] [ In reply to ]
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TimeIsUp wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
I don't have the slightest clue how anyone can take out Drogon at this point. The only thing that's left in the Seven Kingdoms that can kill a dragon that I know of is the Wild Fire under King's Landing. Danny set some of that Wild Fire off when she decided to torch the place (those were the green flames). The only two people who know about the Wild Fire caches are Tyrion and Sir Davos.

Bran warging. He has to do something big this last episode. Too much build up not to happen.

The Night King and the army of the dead had 8 years of build up. How did that work out for you?

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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I hope not. Arya already killed the NK. Now she's going to kill Dany to save the Seven Kingdoms again? Then GRRM should have just named his series "Unibrow - The Story of Arya Stark".

Does the dragon have green eyes? maybe its the dragon that she kills.
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Nope. But I'm sure some GoT nerd here will identify this as a different dragon based on the alignment or shape of its scales, or some shit.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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Drogon is supposed to have red eyes. https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Drogon
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bluemonkeytri wrote:

Right, and the way the show has thrown estabishled history down the shitter this season I expect them to discover suddenly,that killing the rider kills the dragon.

Balerion had three different riders.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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Found a quote from the books which may come into play Sunday:

Tywin told Joffrey in the third novel "when your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet. Elsewise no man will ever bend the knee to you. And any man who must say I am the king is no true king at all"
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
IamSpartacus wrote:
is their a way drogo could side with jon? he is a tagerean or however you spell it.

I'm quite certain that it is canon that the dragon "bonds" with its rider.

Thatā€™s ā€œAvatarā€.
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I don't have the slightest clue how anyone can take out Drogon at this point. The only thing that's left in the Seven Kingdoms that can kill a dragon that I know of is the Wild Fire under King's Landing. Danny set some of that Wild Fire off when she decided to torch the place (those were the green flames). The only two people who know about the Wild Fire caches are Tyrion and Sir Davos.

Bran warging. He has to do something big this last episode. Too much build up not to happen.

The Night King and the army of the dead had 8 years of build up. How did that work out for you?

Donā€™t know. All I saw was a black screen that entire episode. Had to read the LR to get a recap.
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You know what this season needs?
A little more gratuitous nudity. All of the dudes living in moms basement researching angles of scorpion crossbows and white horses need to see some boobs to knock them to reality.
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Except for the scene with Brianne and Jamie. I was telling the screen, "no don't show it!" That was one scene I didn't need any nudity.
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Except for the scene with Brianne and Jamie. I was telling the screen, "no don't show it!" That was one scene I didn't need any nudity.

You have to choose- Brianne, Arya or Varys. Full frontal. (Arya is 22 years old. She just looks 12).
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That's a serious question?

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I can't find it, but I read an interesting series of tweets about writing styles and how it pertains to the shift in the GoT writing.

I can't remember the names nor the specifics, but the gist was the Martin style is more character driven while the season 7-8 style is more goal driven (again, I'm butchering this).

In a nutshell, the former is a way of thinking about "what would this character do," and then the story goes in the direction of that character. The latter is more about, "the character is currently here, but we need to get him there by the end of the movie (season, etc.).

One style isn't necessarily better than the other though either can consist of good or bad writing. The former does tend to be more interesting as you go along for the ride, but has a more difficult time wrapping everything up and making it all make sense. The latter is better about keeping things tight and meaningful, but can be a little bland along the journey.

In a nutshell (this part is my personal opinion) GoT essentially turned into a Marvel movie in the last two seasons. I'm personally okay with it, but I can see three crowds being upset with it: those who hate the "marvel movie style," those who hate change ("if I want a Marvel movie, I'll buy a ticket"), and those who recognize all of this but still feel that the writing is substandard.

Keep in mind, we still don't know if Martin is going to do a good job of wrapping this all up. He seems to be struggling to hit deadlines for a reason. Also, keep in mind, King's The Stand was a great first 900 pages that shit the bed at the end of the book. Setting up a great story isn't the same as finishing one.

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I can't find it, but I read an interesting series of tweets about writing styles and how it pertains to the shift in the GoT writing.

I can't remember the names nor the specifics, but the gist was the Martin style is more character driven while the season 7-8 style is more goal driven (again, I'm butchering this).

In a nutshell, the former is a way of thinking about "what would this character do," and then the story goes in the direction of that character. The latter is more about, "the character is currently here, but we need to get him there by the end of the movie (season, etc.).

One style isn't necessarily better than the other though either can consist of good or bad writing. The former does tend to be more interesting as you go along for the ride, but has a more difficult time wrapping everything up and making it all make sense. The latter is better about keeping things tight and meaningful, but can be a little bland along the journey.

In a nutshell (this part is my personal opinion) GoT essentially turned into a Marvel movie in the last two seasons. I'm personally okay with it, but I can see three crowds being upset with it: those who hate the "marvel movie style," those who hate change ("if I want a Marvel movie, I'll buy a ticket"), and those who recognize all of this but still feel that the writing is substandard.

Keep in mind, we still don't know if Martin is going to do a good job of wrapping this all up. He seems to be struggling to hit deadlines for a reason. Also, keep in mind, King's The Stand was a great first 900 pages that shit the bed at the end of the book. Setting up a great story isn't the same as finishing one.

Ain't that the truth. One of my favorite apocalyptic books....until it wasn't. Don't even get me started on the TV movie adaptation of it.

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Keep in mind, we still don't know if Martin is going to do a good job of wrapping this all up. He seems to be struggling to hit deadlines for a reason. Also, keep in mind, King's The Stand was a great first 900 pages that shit the bed at the end of the book. Setting up a great story isn't the same as finishing one.

I've often said when a movie craps out, it is really hard to write the ending.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Agreed. Dumb question.




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you are just afraid of strong women...






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you are just afraid of strong women...

Well, I wasn't picking one over the other ...

The original question was - Brienne, Arya, or Varys. Sphere pointed out Brianne was a foolish suggestion. I pointed out Arya was a foolish suggestion. Neither of us was picking one over the other. We were showing the ridiculous nature of placing either in the same question as Varys.

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I think you all are giving the writers far too much credit to be able to handle this last episode logically. If we have learned one thing this season, dealing with the Dany/Drogon thing will be in the most ham-handed fashion possible. Probably at the hands of some WTF plot device they pulled out of their asses.

They have a lot of strings to bring together next episode. I'm betting we'll see more of the same thing we've been getting all season.

Just let it go and enjoy the popcorn flick the series has turned into. You'll be less disappointed.
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I think it's fair to be disappointed. The books and the series were fantastic for 5 books/6 seasons (even if the books have become more sprawling and unfocused over time), but once the producers had no source material to go off of the series went off the rails. Illogical decisions and battle tactics, characters totally evolving/changing within an episode or two, so much happening which is clearly a result of marching toward certain ultimate conclusion and not what you would expect certain characters to do/say/react.

Just when the series was hitting the critical point it lost source material and lost its way. They have the framework for how GRRM wants to end it and weaved their own path, in far too few episodes, to reach that conclusion and the series has suffered for it.

Whatever, I've enjoyed the majority of the books and the show, it's just a shame that what should've been the best part of this epic story is so much worse than it could hvae been.
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You forgot Varys



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You forgot Varys


I lolā€™d
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FYI, here's the tweets about writing I referenced earlier. I thought it was interesting.

https://cheezburger.com/...qV-fV5zHVcx4acQqNVG0

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https://www.reddit.com/...amp;utm_medium=web2x

I kinda like it without the vocals, too




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FYI, here's the tweets about writing I referenced earlier. I thought it was interesting.

https://cheezburger.com/...qV-fV5zHVcx4acQqNVG0

He's onto something...but I think he's got it flipped. Dan and Dave are the pantsers.

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BarryP wrote:
FYI, here's the tweets about writing I referenced earlier. I thought it was interesting.

https://cheezburger.com/...qV-fV5zHVcx4acQqNVG0

There's a video on YouTube in which the main GOT actors are asked about their opinions of how the series is being wrapped up. If I recall correctly every single one either voiced disappointment in the writing or gave one of those uncomfortable lying responses like a sarcastic "Uh, it's... greeeeaaat?" The video's final statement was Peter Dinklage (Tyrion) saying, in a total deadpan (and paraphrased), "John Doe and Jane Doe are the best writers in the business. They did wonderful job. I'm very pleased." It was obviously a strategically-made statement that would look great in print and not ruffle the writers' feathers, but still conveyed his utter disappointment to the person to whom he was speaking.

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Weak? Really? She has been merciless in executing anyone who opposed or crossed her. It's not such a big leap that she finally loses it when she realises she is all alone and that there are threats to her power and she finally learns how to fly her dragon to maximum damage and impact.

Power is something she has been pretty intent on getting ever since she started her reign of conquests, thinking it was her 'destiny'. Game of Thrones has always fucked with people who think they are somehow destined for something.

Exactly...I'm not sure why people are saying she suddenly snapped and that it was out of character. Dany has shown traits of the mad queen since the beginning of the show. In the last few episodes she lost two of her closest advisers (Jorah and Missendei), another dragon, John Snow pulling away and telling people he's a Targaryon...and Varys (another trusted ally) plotting against her. Oh...and in case people missed it, Varys was also trying to poison her (re-watch the beginning of The Bells). I can't imagine why she finally snapped!!! People just aren't paying attention.

https://www.inverse.com/...hadowing-40-examples
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Well, I'm sure the next episodes will show us real Daenerys and her character. I think any wise queen will traits of the mad after losing one by one everybody who you loved. And she will burn all, Dracarys.
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KAlber wrote:
fulla wrote:
Weak? Really? She has been merciless in executing anyone who opposed or crossed her. It's not such a big leap that she finally loses it when she realises she is all alone and that there are threats to her power and she finally learns how to fly her dragon to maximum damage and impact.

Power is something she has been pretty intent on getting ever since she started her reign of conquests, thinking it was her 'destiny'. Game of Thrones has always fucked with people who think they are somehow destined for something.


Exactly...I'm not sure why people are saying she suddenly snapped and that it was out of character. Dany has shown traits of the mad queen since the beginning of the show. In the last few episodes she lost two of her closest advisers (Jorah and Missendei), another dragon, John Snow pulling away and telling people he's a Targaryon...and Varys (another trusted ally) plotting against her. Oh...and in case people missed it, Varys was also trying to poison her (re-watch the beginning of The Bells). I can't imagine why she finally snapped!!! People just aren't paying attention.

https://www.inverse.com/...hadowing-40-examples

Yes we are. We were also paying attention to the many times Dany protected the innocent. Ordered her troops not to rape women or harm children. Freeing slaves. Most of her brutality in the past was against her enemies and served a larger purpose. Her heel turn in burning Kings Landing showed nothing of "madness", just pure evil. She is now worse than Cersei. Worse than Ramsay Bolton. The Mad King was truly "mad" in the sense that he was nuts. What have we seen from Dany that she is truly "mad". Maybe hints of mental illness in seeing schemes all around her? Hell, isn't that what GOT is all about? All Sunday night showed was that she is power hungry and now evil, burning innocents who had surrendered where she has never really shown that tendency before. The Tarleys wouldn't bend the knee. The whole of Kings Landing had just bent the knee and she massacred them anyway. That hasn't been foreshadowed at all.

Now, as to what happens next. I think we do see the "madness". I think she begins to execute those around her that she thinks failed her. Tyrion, for releasing Jaime. Ser Davos for helping him do it. She mentions going after Sansa and Arya. Other houses get word of Jon's lineage and/or what she did to King's Landing and refuse to bend the knee, so she burns them. Jon tries to stop her but can't, so he kills her. He is killed by Grey Worm (who isn't exactly a likable figure now either) or is arrested and tortured. Another war begins over the throne and the story ends.
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BarryP wrote:
FYI, here's the tweets about writing I referenced earlier. I thought it was interesting.

https://cheezburger.com/...qV-fV5zHVcx4acQqNVG0


There's a video on YouTube in which the main GOT actors are asked about their opinions of how the series is being wrapped up. If I recall correctly every single one either voiced disappointment in the writing or gave one of those uncomfortable lying responses like a sarcastic "Uh, it's... greeeeaaat?" The video's final statement was Peter Dinklage (Tyrion) saying, in a total deadpan (and paraphrased), "John Doe and Jane Doe are the best writers in the business. They did wonderful job. I'm very pleased." It was obviously a strategically-made statement that would look great in print and not ruffle the writers' feathers, but still conveyed his utter disappointment to the person to whom he was speaking.

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KAlber wrote:
fulla wrote:
Weak? Really? She has been merciless in executing anyone who opposed or crossed her. It's not such a big leap that she finally loses it when she realises she is all alone and that there are threats to her power and she finally learns how to fly her dragon to maximum damage and impact.


Power is something she has been pretty intent on getting ever since she started her reign of conquests, thinking it was her 'destiny'. Game of Thrones has always fucked with people who think they are somehow destined for something.


Exactly...I'm not sure why people are saying she suddenly snapped and that it was out of character. Dany has shown traits of the mad queen since the beginning of the show. In the last few episodes she lost two of her closest advisers (Jorah and Missendei), another dragon, John Snow pulling away and telling people he's a Targaryon...and Varys (another trusted ally) plotting against her. Oh...and in case people missed it, Varys was also trying to poison her (re-watch the beginning of The Bells). I can't imagine why she finally snapped!!! People just aren't paying attention.

https://www.inverse.com/...hadowing-40-examples


Yes we are. We were also paying attention to the many times Dany protected the innocent. Ordered her troops not to rape women or harm children. Freeing slaves. Most of her brutality in the past was against her enemies and served a larger purpose. Her heel turn in burning Kings Landing showed nothing of "madness", just pure evil. She is now worse than Cersei. Worse than Ramsay Bolton. The Mad King was truly "mad" in the sense that he was nuts. What have we seen from Dany that she is truly "mad". Maybe hints of mental illness in seeing schemes all around her? Hell, isn't that what GOT is all about? All Sunday night showed was that she is power hungry and now evil, burning innocents who had surrendered where she has never really shown that tendency before. The Tarleys wouldn't bend the knee. The whole of Kings Landing had just bent the knee and she massacred them anyway. That hasn't been foreshadowed at all.

Now, as to what happens next. I think we do see the "madness". I think she begins to execute those around her that she thinks failed her. Tyrion, for releasing Jaime. Ser Davos for helping him do it. She mentions going after Sansa and Arya. Other houses get word of Jon's lineage and/or what she did to King's Landing and refuse to bend the knee, so she burns them. Jon tries to stop her but can't, so he kills her. He is killed by Grey Worm (who isn't exactly a likable figure now either) or is arrested and tortured. Another war begins over the throne and the story ends.


Agree.

No one was surprised to see Dany break bad. Everyone expected it and it has foreshadowed many times.

What everyone has a beef with is two things relating to her breaking:

  • There was no proper build up to be believable. We needed to see much much more of her decent to buy into it, instead of just her scowling and then suddenly roasting children.

  • 100% out of character of her to kill innocents and especially ignore the actual people that have wronged her (Cercei/RedKeep).

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Everyone at this point knew she was going to go to the darkside somehow, but the way in which it was set up how it was delivered/executed was horrible.
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Endo wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
KAlber wrote:
fulla wrote:
Weak? Really? She has been merciless in executing anyone who opposed or crossed her. It's not such a big leap that she finally loses it when she realises she is all alone and that there are threats to her power and she finally learns how to fly her dragon to maximum damage and impact.


Power is something she has been pretty intent on getting ever since she started her reign of conquests, thinking it was her 'destiny'. Game of Thrones has always fucked with people who think they are somehow destined for something.


Exactly...I'm not sure why people are saying she suddenly snapped and that it was out of character. Dany has shown traits of the mad queen since the beginning of the show. In the last few episodes she lost two of her closest advisers (Jorah and Missendei), another dragon, John Snow pulling away and telling people he's a Targaryon...and Varys (another trusted ally) plotting against her. Oh...and in case people missed it, Varys was also trying to poison her (re-watch the beginning of The Bells). I can't imagine why she finally snapped!!! People just aren't paying attention.

https://www.inverse.com/...hadowing-40-examples


Yes we are. We were also paying attention to the many times Dany protected the innocent. Ordered her troops not to rape women or harm children. Freeing slaves. Most of her brutality in the past was against her enemies and served a larger purpose. Her heel turn in burning Kings Landing showed nothing of "madness", just pure evil. She is now worse than Cersei. Worse than Ramsay Bolton. The Mad King was truly "mad" in the sense that he was nuts. What have we seen from Dany that she is truly "mad". Maybe hints of mental illness in seeing schemes all around her? Hell, isn't that what GOT is all about? All Sunday night showed was that she is power hungry and now evil, burning innocents who had surrendered where she has never really shown that tendency before. The Tarleys wouldn't bend the knee. The whole of Kings Landing had just bent the knee and she massacred them anyway. That hasn't been foreshadowed at all.

Now, as to what happens next. I think we do see the "madness". I think she begins to execute those around her that she thinks failed her. Tyrion, for releasing Jaime. Ser Davos for helping him do it. She mentions going after Sansa and Arya. Other houses get word of Jon's lineage and/or what she did to King's Landing and refuse to bend the knee, so she burns them. Jon tries to stop her but can't, so he kills her. He is killed by Grey Worm (who isn't exactly a likable figure now either) or is arrested and tortured. Another war begins over the throne and the story ends.


Agree.

No one was surprised to see Dany break bad. Everyone expected it and it has foreshadowed many times.

What everyone has a beef with is two things relating to her breaking:

  • There was no proper build up to be believable. We needed to see much much more of her decent to buy into it, instead of just her scowling and then suddenly roasting children.

  • 100% out of character of her to kill innocents and especially ignore the actual people that have wronged her (Cercei/RedKeep).

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Everyone at this point knew she was going to go to the darkside somehow, but the way in which it was set up how it was delivered/executed was horrible.

Exactly. Being foreshadowed is completely different than being in character.

Just because we knew they were going to go off the rails doesn't mean it makes sense.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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And what about Grey Worm? Where did his desire to slaughter surrendered troops and innocent civilians come from? Solely from Missandei being killed? WTF? Would she have wanted him to turn evil in her memory?
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And what about Grey Worm? Where did his desire to slaughter surrendered troops and innocent civilians come from? Solely from Missandei being killed? WTF? Would she have wanted him to turn evil in her memory?

Agree, but I have less issues with Grey Worm's actions Not for logical reasons, but only because we don't really know that much about his personality one way or another. We know some, but not a lot. So him breaking bad didn't clash nearly as much with my expectations as the volumes of history we have experiences with Dany.

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I was half expecting Jon to kill Greyworm as soon as Greyworm went rogue.

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Endo wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
KAlber wrote:
fulla wrote:
Weak? Really? She has been merciless in executing anyone who opposed or crossed her. It's not such a big leap that she finally loses it when she realises she is all alone and that there are threats to her power and she finally learns how to fly her dragon to maximum damage and impact.


Power is something she has been pretty intent on getting ever since she started her reign of conquests, thinking it was her 'destiny'. Game of Thrones has always fucked with people who think they are somehow destined for something.


Exactly...I'm not sure why people are saying she suddenly snapped and that it was out of character. Dany has shown traits of the mad queen since the beginning of the show. In the last few episodes she lost two of her closest advisers (Jorah and Missendei), another dragon, John Snow pulling away and telling people he's a Targaryon...and Varys (another trusted ally) plotting against her. Oh...and in case people missed it, Varys was also trying to poison her (re-watch the beginning of The Bells). I can't imagine why she finally snapped!!! People just aren't paying attention.

https://www.inverse.com/...hadowing-40-examples


Yes we are. We were also paying attention to the many times Dany protected the innocent. Ordered her troops not to rape women or harm children. Freeing slaves. Most of her brutality in the past was against her enemies and served a larger purpose. Her heel turn in burning Kings Landing showed nothing of "madness", just pure evil. She is now worse than Cersei. Worse than Ramsay Bolton. The Mad King was truly "mad" in the sense that he was nuts. What have we seen from Dany that she is truly "mad". Maybe hints of mental illness in seeing schemes all around her? Hell, isn't that what GOT is all about? All Sunday night showed was that she is power hungry and now evil, burning innocents who had surrendered where she has never really shown that tendency before. The Tarleys wouldn't bend the knee. The whole of Kings Landing had just bent the knee and she massacred them anyway. That hasn't been foreshadowed at all.

Now, as to what happens next. I think we do see the "madness". I think she begins to execute those around her that she thinks failed her. Tyrion, for releasing Jaime. Ser Davos for helping him do it. She mentions going after Sansa and Arya. Other houses get word of Jon's lineage and/or what she did to King's Landing and refuse to bend the knee, so she burns them. Jon tries to stop her but can't, so he kills her. He is killed by Grey Worm (who isn't exactly a likable figure now either) or is arrested and tortured. Another war begins over the throne and the story ends.


Agree.

No one was surprised to see Dany break bad. Everyone expected it and it has foreshadowed many times.

What everyone has a beef with is two things relating to her breaking:

  • There was no proper build up to be believable. We needed to see much much more of her decent to buy into it, instead of just her scowling and then suddenly roasting children.

  • 100% out of character of her to kill innocents and especially ignore the actual people that have wronged her (Cercei/RedKeep).

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Everyone at this point knew she was going to go to the darkside somehow, but the way in which it was set up how it was delivered/executed was horrible.

Really, Dany's heel turn wasn't my issue. Like you said, they beat you over the head with a foreshadowing hammer.

Jamie? That's unforgivable writing.
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I was half expecting Jon to kill Greyworm as soon as Greyworm went rogue.

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RandMart wrote:
mck414 wrote:
I was half expecting Jon to kill Greyworm as soon as Greyworm went rogue.


D'Kid & I both shouted "Dude! What the fuck are you doing?!!!"

That's just it, he hasn't really been doing anything for a season and a half now.
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Jamie? That's unforgivable writing.

I thought it was entirely believable. At least, that he ultimately ran to her side when he knew her death was imminent. Maybe the prior episodes didn't support that plot twist, but the outcome almost seemed inevitable.

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Jamie? That's unforgivable writing.


I thought it was entirely believable. At least, that he ultimately ran to her side when he knew her death was imminent. Maybe the prior episodes didn't support that plot twist, but the outcome almost seemed inevitable.

Lena Heady: Nikolaj, dear, have you read the script?
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: Yes, Lena. Yes, I did
LH: All of it?
NCW: Yes, all of it
LH: And how do you feel about the ending?
NCW: Which ending? There are several
LH: Jamie & Cersei's ending, dear
NCW: Honestly? Left me a little flat

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Jamie? That's unforgivable writing.


I thought it was entirely believable. At least, that he ultimately ran to her side when he knew her death was imminent. Maybe the prior episodes didn't support that plot twist, but the outcome almost seemed inevitable.


Lena Heady: Nikolaj, dear, have you read the script?
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: Yes, Lena. Yes, I did
LH: All of it?
NCW: Yes, all of it
LH: And how do you feel about the ending?
NCW: Which ending? There are several
LH: Jamie & Cersei's ending, dear
NCW: Honestly? Left me a little flat


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And what about Grey Worm? Where did his desire to slaughter surrendered troops and innocent civilians come from? Solely from Missandei being killed? WTF? Would she have wanted him to turn evil in her memory?

I saw that as he was following what Danerys was doing. Danerys was flattening the city, so he was doing the same.
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I predict:

Dany orders Drogon to cook Tyrion. Either Drogon refused or Tyrion is unscathed and, thus, revealed to be a Targyreon. John Kills Dany and rides north. Tyrion and Sansa (re)wed and rule the seven kingdoms.

ā€œRead the transcript.ā€
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I like the theory about Drogon/Tyrion. However, I just have a strong feeling that John will get Dragon Glass to the heart and end up walking north with blue eyes as the new Night King
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Greenplease and sslthorp I like your ideas. You guys should have wrote this final season and spared us from this horseshit.

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I think his eyes will turn blue when he crosses the wall into the North.

ā€œRead the transcript.ā€
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sslothrop wrote:
I predict:

Dany orders Drogon to cook Tyrion. Either Drogon refused or Tyrion is unscathed and, thus, revealed to be a Targyreon. John Kills Dany and rides north. Tyrion and Sansa (re)wed and rule the seven kingdoms.

See post 114
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What's Jon's reason for being brought back? Killing Dany?
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timbasile wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
And what about Grey Worm? Where did his desire to slaughter surrendered troops and innocent civilians come from? Solely from Missandei being killed? WTF? Would she have wanted him to turn evil in her memory?

I saw that as he was following what Danerys was doing. Danerys was flattening the city, so he was doing the same.

I think it's a little more than that. Daenrys ignoring the surrender gave him permission to slaughter the initially unarmed Lannister troops, and continue to fight.

Basically he's had a shit time since coming to Westeros. He's been fooled into attacking an empty castle, he's frozen his ass off in the North, fought wights, had a bunch of his troops drowned, twice, and his girlfriend has been murdered. He's pissed, and Danerys' actions allowed him to take vengeance.

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Sorry...I think it was totally in character. She has made these threats before and has roasted people alive. Was it rushed? Maybe, but a lot of shit went down that could send her over the edge.

Of course there is another theory that Bran is the ultimate evil, warging into the dragon and laying waste to everything without Dany being able to control it. Interesting theory...I doubt it...but interesting

One other thing that came up recently (unrelated). Remember when the night king turned a baby into a white walker? My guess is, there is something to that. I really hope there is...

P.S. I don't think we can blame the directors too much. Ultimately, if the ending falls flat, it's because George Martin couldn't fucking write the ending in a reasonable amount of time because he painted himself into a corner. Allegedly, the ending we're seeing was with his consultation...soooooooo....
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sslothrop wrote:
I predict:

Dany orders Drogon to cook Tyrion. Either Drogon refused or Tyrion is unscathed and, thus, revealed to be a Targyreon. John Kills Dany and rides north. Tyrion and Sansa (re)wed and rule the seven kingdoms.

While the show has taken some liberties, that is not supposed to be the case:

As far back as 1998, author George R.R. Martin has made a point to emphasize that Targaryens, including Daenerys, are not immune to fire. Yes ā€” she survived walking into a gigantic pyre and emerged unscathed. This was a one-time occurrence, according to Martin, and had less to do with her Targaryen surname than it did with the effect of blood magic she was invoking.

https://www.businessinsider.com/...mmune-to-fire-2016-5

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KAlber wrote:
Sorry...I think it was totally in character. She has made these threats before and has roasted people alive. Was it rushed? Maybe, but a lot of shit went down that could send her over the edge.

Of course there is another theory that Bran is the ultimate evil, warging into the dragon and laying waste to everything without Dany being able to control it. Interesting theory...I doubt it...but interesting

One other thing that came up recently (unrelated). Remember when the night king turned a baby into a white walker? My guess is, there is something to that. I really hope there is...

P.S. I don't think we can blame the directors too much. Ultimately, if the ending falls flat, it's because George Martin couldn't fucking write the ending in a reasonable amount of time because he painted himself into a corner. Allegedly, the ending we're seeing was with his consultation...soooooooo....

I raised that earlier in this thread. But, the more I think about that, the more I think it was just to show how the White Walkers were made. When the Night King was killed, so too were all the White Walkers he created. I think ...

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What's Jon's reason for being brought back? Killing Dany?

He's the rightful holder of the Iron Throne. He doesn't have to kill Dany to assume that position.

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My money is on either Tyrion or Sansa to assume the throne, although apparently Vegas is favoring Bran. Dany has to die, and there's just too much shit around Jon for him to be the one.

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TiDriver wrote:
My money is on either Tyrion or Sansa to assume the throne, although apparently Vegas is favoring Bran. Dany has to die, and there's just too much shit around Jon for him to be the one.

Bran??? That cannot/will not happen b/c he is the 3 eyed raven. Sansa has zero claim to the thrown. Tyrion could be, but, I think our "gut punch" may be Tyrion dying.

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TiDriver wrote:
My money is on either Tyrion or Sansa to assume the throne, although apparently Vegas is favoring Bran. Dany has to die, and there's just too much shit around Jon for him to be the one.

Bran??? That cannot/will not happen b/c he is the 3 eyed raven. Sansa has zero claim to the thrown. Tyrion could be, but, I think our "gut punch" may be Tyrion dying.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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I'm calling it this way. Tyrion dies, probably by Grayworm executing Dany's order, after he redeems his last 2 season run of dumbassery by killing whatshisscales cigar breath. Either Jon or Arya (both?) kills Dany. Jon returns to the north, reunites with his puppy and Tormund, and goes north of the wall to live among, or lead, the Nova Scotians, or whatever they call themselves. Sansa looks smug and bitchy clever and sits on the iron throne after a WTF was that shit 120 minutes, relocated to Winter fell. Other shit happens to people we kinda care about but by now, who are we kidding, we're all looking forward to bitching about the ending than actually watching it.

Can't wait!

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Hmm ... maybe.

Jon kills Dany. Jon then exiles himself and "takes the Black" to avoid being killed for killing the queen. Jon reunites with Ghost, which is why he did not have a teary goodbye with him. Sansa is Queen in the North. The "south" being largely wiped out, she moves into Kings Landing and takes the Iron Throne.

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I think I got it. Although it did not appear so at first, Aaron Rodgers actually survived the dragon fire because he is a true Targaryen. Jon kills Dany, Drogon eats Jon, while being eaten, Jon kills Drogon with Dragon Glass. Aaron emerges from the rubble and takes the Iron Throne.

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JSA wrote:
Hmm ... maybe.

Jon kills Dany. Jon then exiles himself and "takes the Black" to avoid being killed for killing the queen. Jon reunites with Ghost, which is why he did not have a teary goodbye with him. Sansa is Queen in the North. The "south" being largely wiped out, she moves into Kings Landing and takes the Iron Throne.

There was some pretty heavy foreshadowing in the last episode that the North would succeed from the Seven Kingdoms. When Jaime and Cersei are in the map room, a piece of stone falls to the floor and a giant crack appears in the map right at the Trident. Seemed deliberate to me IMO.
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JSA wrote:
Hmm ... maybe.

Jon kills Dany. Jon then exiles himself and "takes the Black" to avoid being killed for killing the queen. Jon reunites with Ghost, which is why he did not have a teary goodbye with him. Sansa is Queen in the North. The "south" being largely wiped out, she moves into Kings Landing and takes the Iron Throne.

Allegedly there was no goodbye with Ghost due to CGI budget constraints.
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Don't be ridiculous. He couldn't even take the North if there were Vikings and bears around.

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JSA wrote:
Hmm ... maybe.

Jon kills Dany. Jon then exiles himself and "takes the Black" to avoid being killed for killing the queen. Jon reunites with Ghost, which is why he did not have a teary goodbye with him. Sansa is Queen in the North. The "south" being largely wiped out, she moves into Kings Landing and takes the Iron Throne.


Allegedly there was no goodbye with Ghost due to CGI budget constraints.

I saw that in an article, but, find it very hard to believe given the dragon scenes.

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Don't be ridiculous. He couldn't even take the North if there were Vikings and bears around.

Hmm ... Packers took the North 5 of the 8 seasons of GoT, so, pretty sure we know who is the King in the North ...

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sphere wrote:
Don't be ridiculous. He couldn't even take the North if there were Vikings and bears around.

Hmm ... Packers took the North 5 of the 8 seasons of GoT, so, pretty sure we know who is the King in the North ...

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
JSA wrote:
sphere wrote:
Don't be ridiculous. He couldn't even take the North if there were Vikings and bears around.


Hmm ... Packers took the North 5 of the 8 seasons of GoT, so, pretty sure we know who is the King in the North ...


Trubisky first of his name

Seems like quite the athlete ...



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And then there was Mitchell Trubisky, the Chicago Bears quarterback who was eliminated from the first game in comically fast fashion in literally the first three seconds ā€” maybe less.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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Nah, there's no more "taking the black" - the wall is breached, so what's the point? Plus, they seem to have written both Tormund and Ghost out of the story, so they won't be players in the finale. I think things heated up a bit between Sansa and Tyrion in the crypt, so that will be a factor. Arya? Don't know but maybe she retires from kicking ass and marries Gendry after all.

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I need one of those!

Okay, I've got it. Arya kills Dany for being a bitch and then retires to the castle to boss Gendry around for the rest of his miserable life. Brienne hooks up with Podrick, as she knows of his legendary 'swordsmanship ' and they ride off into the sunset holding hands with wistful, lovey-dovey eyes at each other. Jon rides north alone to become a crabby hermit north of the wall. Tyrion and Sansa decide that they'll share the Iron Throne , and she sits upon it cuddling him in her arms while looking like she might just put a knife in his neck as he sleeps. Camera draws back to Drogon farting a rainbow over King's Landing, and fade to black.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TiDriver] [ In reply to ]
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Have we seen Gendry since Arya gave him her sacred gift? Maybe Arya is a black widow and kills those she sleeps with.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [TiDriver] [ In reply to ]
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TiDriver wrote:
I need one of those!

Okay, I've got it. Arya kills Dany for being a bitch and then retires to the castle to boss Gendry around for the rest of his miserable life. Brienne hooks up with Podrick, as she knows of his legendary 'swordsmanship ' and they ride off into the sunset holding hands with wistful, lovey-dovey eyes at each other. Jon rides north alone to become a crabby hermit north of the wall. Tyrion and Sansa decide that they'll share the Iron Throne , and she sits upon it cuddling him in her arms while looking like she might just put a knife in his neck as he sleeps. Camera draws back to Drogon farting a rainbow over King's Landing, and fade to black.

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davec wrote:
Have we seen Gendry since Arya gave him her sacred gift? Maybe Arya is a black widow and kills those she sleeps with.

He proposed to her and she said no.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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JSA wrote:
windywave wrote:
JSA wrote:
sphere wrote:
Don't be ridiculous. He couldn't even take the North if there were Vikings and bears around.


Hmm ... Packers took the North 5 of the 8 seasons of GoT, so, pretty sure we know who is the King in the North ...


Trubisky first of his name


Seems like quite the athlete ...



If youā€™ve ever wondered how some of the NFLā€™s best would fare in a game of dodgeball, the Pro Bowl Skills Showdown is here with the answer ā€” and itā€™s not great, aside from a select few players.
Dodgeball was one of five events from this weekā€™s Pro Bowl Skills Showdown that still pit the AFC against the NFC in a best of three series with every member of each team playing at some point. For the AFC, Andrew Luck was impressively persistent in attacking the other side, while Saquon Barkley showed off his agility as the last man standing for a while on the NFC squad. Adam Thielen also proved he can throw pretty accurately too.

And then there was Mitchell Trubisky, the Chicago Bears quarterback who was eliminated from the first game in comically fast fashion in literally the first three seconds ā€” maybe less.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/...y-pro-bowl-dodgeball




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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone else nonplussed about the finale?
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I'm modrrately plussed.

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Expecting to be disappointed by further bad writing and ridiculous plot devices. Anything better than that will be a welcome. Based on the luke warm commentary from many of the cast regarding how they felt about the final season (what they said and didn't say), and how bad it has been so far, I don't expect this story to be any better. The bar has gotten very low.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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I saw last night that there are plenty,of spoilers out there if you want to just read them now and forget watching tonight. Episode plots leaked by same person nailed last weeks episode. I havent read what they say about tonight but reactions from those who have are not good. Somehow, if you can believe it, tonight makes this season even,worse.
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bluemonkeytri wrote:
I saw last night that there are plenty,of spoilers out there if you want to just read them now and forget watching tonight. Episode plots leaked by same person nailed last weeks episode. I havent read what they say about tonight but reactions from those who have are not good. Somehow, if you can believe it, tonight makes this season even,worse.


That would be quite the accomplishment.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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If that's what happens, which I wouldn't be surprised. It will make this show very forgettable. Unlike the Sopranos or Deadwood.

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TheStroBro wrote:
If that's what happens, which I wouldn't be surprised. It will make this show very forgettable. Unlike the Sopranos or Deadwood.

Not so sure about that. Deadwood left us hanging. That ending was one of the worst for any show. At least we are getting a movie to close out the series. But, that ending absolutely sucked and Deadwood is still thought of as one of the best shows.

I thought the ending of Sporanos SUCKED! But, I still think it was one of the best series.

A shitty ending will not make people forget about GoT. In fact, this entire shitty season is not doing that. If that was happening, then you wouldn't have petitions signed by tens of thousands of fans asking for the season to be re-shot.

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I suppose by comparison, I thought the endings made way more sense to those and Boardwalk Empire than this trainwreck of a season.

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What if the Iron Throne is destroyed? What if Dany is killed and there is no successor to the Iron Throne? Instead of a monarchy, they turn into a Republic? All this turmoil and lives lost trying to get the throne and the throne is no more would be an interesting twist. Dany is killed and Drogon just flies off. With no Iron Throne, there is no push for Jon to stay and he goes back to the North. This is the end of the royal families.

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Well if we're to go by the leaks...there's still a king. But the details will make no effing sense.

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JSA wrote:
What if the Iron Throne is destroyed? What if Dany is killed and there is no successor to the Iron Throne? Instead of a monarchy, they turn into a Republic? All this turmoil and lives lost trying to get the throne and the throne is no more would be an interesting twist. Dany is killed and Drogon just flies off. With no Iron Throne, there is no push for Jon to stay and he goes back to the North. This is the end of the royal families.

Can see Westeros breaking up into separate kingdoms. Can't see them scrapping the idea of monarchs and royal families though - we've not even been shown a hint of any kind of movement for democracy or any other kind of method of choosing a ruler.

I do think that either Jon or possibly Tyrion is going to be sentenced to death by roasting and will emerge unscathed from the flames to prove their Targaryen heritage. GRRM may have claimed this was a one off in the books, but it's a trick that Daenerys has pulled off twice already in the show (once with the eggs, second time when she set fire to the Khals in season 6). Mind you, isn't the fact that Jon rode a dragon in the battle of Winterfell enough that his heritage should already have been common knowledge even before Sansa told Tyrion?
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In Episode 5 a stone falls onto the floor of the map room and forms a large crack dividing the Seven Kingdoms at The Trident essentially cleaving The North free from the rest. Good point about John riding Rhaegal.
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I don't buy into most of the foreshadowing stuff, people are way over-analysing the show, this isn't Marvel. These chumps left a Starbucks cup in shot, they're not going to be focusing on subtle details like how a map cracks, there are cities to be blown up and limbs to be hacked off!
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Question:

Can Jon Snow Aka Aegon Targaryen be burnt by fire/dragon?


Or is that only for 100% Targaryen inbreds?
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I agree - the Sopranos episode made sense (even though I thought at first like everyone else that my cable went out). Boardwalk ending was predictable where you knew Nucky was going to die and that the kid who killed him was going to turn out to be grown up Tommy Darmody. That show got dragged out one season too many and actually had a perfect ending the season before with Richard dying on the beach.

I have no idea at this point how GoT ends but also feel that the rushed storyline and poor writing won't make people trash the series as a whole. The series has always worked best with a slow build up to develop the story, and always had some wild twists (Ned's beheheading, the Red Wedding, Hodors name origin) that turned it on its ear. I think some of the things we've seen in the last two episodes would have worked better with more time to let the story breathe.



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Well, this ending will certainly be a wild twist for sure.

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TheStroBro wrote:
Well if we're to go by the leaks...there's still a king. But the details will make no effing sense.

If the leaks are true the ending is just stupid.

I'm watching last week's episode. And right now Daenerys is complaining that Jon "betrayed" her. This is the same definition they use on Big Brother. Betrayal is defined as not giving me everything I want and letting me win. If he asserted his claim it isn't a betrayal, it would be his right. She hasn't done anything to earn his loyalty other than having scary dragons. She certainly hadn't shown an ability to actually run a kingdom.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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If the leaks are true the ending is just stupid.

If we're reading the same leak version of tonight's episode...yeah.

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Jon, Davos and Tyrion are walking through the aftermath of Kings Landing. Tyrion walks through what's left of the castle and sees Jaime's hand so he starts to uncover the rubble and he confirms both Cersei and Jaime are dead.

Didn't they have pretty much all of the eight million floors of the Red Keep collapse on top of them? And somehow, somehow, that golden hand is sticking out of that rubble into the dusty daylight? Oy vey.

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Can Jon Snow Aka Aegon Targaryen be burnt by fire/dragon?


Or is that only for 100% Targaryen inbreds?

To be honest it might be unique to Daenerys but... I donā€™t know. If it turns out he is immune to fire then thereā€™s a problem with Season 2 when John takes the lantern off the wall of the Lord Commanderā€™s chambers and burns his hand.
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kppolich wrote:
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Can Jon Snow Aka Aegon Targaryen be burnt by fire/dragon?


Or is that only for 100% Targaryen inbreds?

I posted a link earlier. George RR Martin has stated, emphatically, that Targaryens are NOT immune to fire or dragon fire. He says Dany was using some other form of magic to protect herself. However, as we know, the show diverts from the books.

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So far, cheese factor 11.

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Omg, now it's B movie territory.

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Omg, now it's B movie territory.

Hallmark movie. Worst. Series. Finale. Ever.
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Where the hell did unsullied and cavalry to the horizon come from?
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Chri55 wrote:
Omg, now it's B movie territory.

Hallmark movie. Worst. Series. Finale. Ever.

Aww shit, the leaks were right. Didn't Bran tell us he wasn't Bran any more? They let some space cadet who hasnt done fuckall the whole series rule.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Somehow Danys army multiplied. That was just lame. And what happened to winter? Wasnt it coming? Or are the seasons gone now that the NK is gone. It certainly wasnt winter in KL last week. Even tho when Jaime left to ride north he saw snow.
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j p o wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
Chri55 wrote:
Omg, now it's B movie territory.

Hallmark movie. Worst. Series. Finale. Ever.

Aww shit, the leaks were right. Didn't Bran tell us he wasn't Bran any more? They let some space cadet who hasnt done fuckall the whole series rule.

For a series that became the biggest show on the planet by subverting tropes, it sure ended in a trope-fest. At least we saw Ghost.
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I can only think of one thing. Spin offs. It's the only thing that makes sense, they are going to make spin offs. Game of Arya anyone?
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Guess Iā€™m a simpleton. I like it.
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What if the Iron Throne is destroyed? What if Dany is killed and there is no successor to the Iron Throne? Instead of a monarchy, they turn into a Republic? All this turmoil and lives lost trying to get the throne and the throne is no more would be an interesting twist. Dany is killed and Drogon just flies off. With no Iron Throne, there is no push for Jon to stay and he goes back to the North. This is the end of the royal families.

I've been trying to avoid the negative criticism of this final season and give the writers the benefit of the doubt realizing that it would be impossible to do the series justice with how awesome of a show this has been IMO, but the finale has made me come to grips with the reality of what that was... a huge flaming pile of dog shit.
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I agree. It was good. I liked this last season.

I've read all the books before it was made into a show and I thought the show did it justice. Good tv.

But hey haters gonna hate.
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I was fine with it. Not great, not awful. I don't know that there ever could have been a way that they could have ended it that would have made everyone happy.

I wonder if Brienne wrote "P.S. Jaime has a small dick"



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Guess Iā€™m a simpleton. I like it.

A little cheesy, but I like liked most of it.

A solid B.

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Spiridon Louis wrote:
Guess Iā€™m a simpleton. I like it.

A little cheesy, but I like liked most of it.

A solid B.

Look, any time you get boobs, swords, and sorcery taken seriously I'm ok with it.

My problem is there are a dozen fan theories that make more sense and would have been a better ending.

If oat bran was going to come out on top they needed to provide more reason than Tyrion said so. They never showed anyone besides Tyrion even having a conversation with him. They could have shown him just once have something useful to say somewhere in 8 seasons.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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A solid 5.

The dragon taking the body lost some points.

Changing how the King is elected with a 2 minute speech?

Why didn't everyone else follow the North and be independent?

Unsullied leave, uh, Jon can come back

WTF is Arya doing?

WTF is Jon doing?

Bran now has a personality?

Isn't Sam ineligible to be a Lord?
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JSA wrote:
What if the Iron Throne is destroyed? What if Dany is killed and there is no successor to the Iron Throne? Instead of a monarchy, they turn into a Republic? All this turmoil and lives lost trying to get the throne and the throne is no more would be an interesting twist. Dany is killed and Drogon just flies off. With no Iron Throne, there is no push for Jon to stay and he goes back to the North. This is the end of the royal families.


Can see Westeros breaking up into separate kingdoms. Can't see them scrapping the idea of monarchs and royal families though - we've not even been shown a hint of any kind of movement for democracy or any other kind of method of choosing a ruler.

I do think that either Jon or possibly Tyrion is going to be sentenced to death by roasting and will emerge unscathed from the flames to prove their Targaryen heritage. GRRM may have claimed this was a one off in the books, but it's a trick that Daenerys has pulled off twice already in the show (once with the eggs, second time when she set fire to the Khals in season 6). Mind you, isn't the fact that Jon rode a dragon in the battle of Winterfell enough that his heritage should already have been common knowledge even before Sansa told Tyrion?

Ahem ...

Nailed it.

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The monologue by Tyrion was a little ridiculous. Otherwise, the concept behind it, breaking the wheel, the practice of inheriting the throne and all the entitlement it conveys, I thought that was a good twist of sorts. I guess there are half a dozen different ways it could have ended in a more satisfying way, but by and large I thought it made sense that Jon killed Dany and went back North of the wall and not dead or imprisoned, Sansa claimed Independence for Winterfell, Tyrion stayed on as hand of the king, Arya continued her own independent journey, etc. Bran's worthiness is the big WTF of the series, but overall I'm satisfied with the outcome.

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JSA wrote:
What if the Iron Throne is destroyed? What if Dany is killed and there is no successor to the Iron Throne? Instead of a monarchy, they turn into a Republic? All this turmoil and lives lost trying to get the throne and the throne is no more would be an interesting twist. Dany is killed and Drogon just flies off. With no Iron Throne, there is no push for Jon to stay and he goes back to the North. This is the end of the royal families.


I've been trying to avoid the negative criticism of this final season and give the writers the benefit of the doubt realizing that it would be impossible to do the series justice with how awesome of a show this has been IMO, but the finale has made me come to grips with the reality of what that was... a huge flaming pile of dog shit.

Yep. It was a huge flaming pile of dog shit, but, who called it?

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On a scale of The Last Jedi to The End Game, i'd say it fit firmly in between. Nothing spectacular, but nothing worth complaining about.



Favorite moments:

I thought Danny's death scene was good.
Liked the burning of the throne.
Loved that Tyrion was sentenced to being a Left Hand for life.
Loved that Jon Snow ended up back on the wall.

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JSA wrote:
cartsman wrote:
JSA wrote:
What if the Iron Throne is destroyed? What if Dany is killed and there is no successor to the Iron Throne? Instead of a monarchy, they turn into a Republic? All this turmoil and lives lost trying to get the throne and the throne is no more would be an interesting twist. Dany is killed and Drogon just flies off. With no Iron Throne, there is no push for Jon to stay and he goes back to the North. This is the end of the royal families.


Can see Westeros breaking up into separate kingdoms. Can't see them scrapping the idea of monarchs and royal families though - we've not even been shown a hint of any kind of movement for democracy or any other kind of method of choosing a ruler.

I do think that either Jon or possibly Tyrion is going to be sentenced to death by roasting and will emerge unscathed from the flames to prove their Targaryen heritage. GRRM may have claimed this was a one off in the books, but it's a trick that Daenerys has pulled off twice already in the show (once with the eggs, second time when she set fire to the Khals in season 6). Mind you, isn't the fact that Jon rode a dragon in the battle of Winterfell enough that his heritage should already have been common knowledge even before Sansa told Tyrion?

Ahem ...

Nailed it.

Not bad!

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I can only think of one thing. Spin offs. It's the only thing that makes sense, they are going to make spin offs. Game of Arya anyone?

Winner winner chicken dinner. They put the Arya and Jon spinoffs into the bank. Withdraw as needed,

I thought the finale was alight, but I had given up already on this season, so my expectations were well adjusted.

They gave it as much of a Hollywood ending as they could, which is a shame, considering what made us all love this series was the anti establishment it seemed to follow with its story.

They didn't just lose their way this season, it got off the rails a couple seasons ago. We were just all in denial.

Having said all that, it was one of the best series ever made.




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cartsman wrote:
JSA wrote:
What if the Iron Throne is destroyed? What if Dany is killed and there is no successor to the Iron Throne? Instead of a monarchy, they turn into a Republic? All this turmoil and lives lost trying to get the throne and the throne is no more would be an interesting twist. Dany is killed and Drogon just flies off. With no Iron Throne, there is no push for Jon to stay and he goes back to the North. This is the end of the royal families.


Can see Westeros breaking up into separate kingdoms. Can't see them scrapping the idea of monarchs and royal families though - we've not even been shown a hint of any kind of movement for democracy or any other kind of method of choosing a ruler.

I do think that either Jon or possibly Tyrion is going to be sentenced to death by roasting and will emerge unscathed from the flames to prove their Targaryen heritage. GRRM may have claimed this was a one off in the books, but it's a trick that Daenerys has pulled off twice already in the show (once with the eggs, second time when she set fire to the Khals in season 6). Mind you, isn't the fact that Jon rode a dragon in the battle of Winterfell enough that his heritage should already have been common knowledge even before Sansa told Tyrion?

Ahem ...

Nailed it.

Considering the ending was well leaked, on line chatter and the vegas odds showed it, your nailing is suspect.

But if it was all you, nice job!

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Agreed. Good job JSA (but tell us, did you read the leaks?)

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To get this ending, too many damned people alive.

Jon still a fucking king though, King Beyond the Wall!

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Lol you canā€™t win with some people. Apparently the ending was cheesy yet people still wanted Dany to not go psycho last week? Dany coming out on top and liberating the oppressed would have been much cheesier. The whole point of having bran rule was that he was probably the least expected to do it.

The whole idea behind game of thrones is that power corrupts/the seeking of power corrupts and if you play the game you gonna get burnt. He did and sought none of these things.

I thought the ending was bitter sweet and had a good sense of pathos with all of the stark kids finding their way in life.

I really enjoyed the squabbling at the table at the end.
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Best line of the night was when Tyrion asked Bran if he would accept their nomination for King, and he said he was born to do this.

Or maybe that was Beto.

Actual best line of the night:

"Uncle, please sit."

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Either Jon or Arya (both?) kills Dany. Jon returns to the north, reunites with his puppy and Tormund, and goes north of the wall to live among, or lead, the Nova Scotians, or whatever they call themselves. Sansa looks smug and bitchy clever and sits on the iron throne after a WTF was that shit 120 minutes, relocated to Winter fell. Other shit happens to people we kinda care about but by now, who are we kidding, we're all looking forward to bitching about the ending than actually watching it.

I wasn't too far off, either.

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I'll go with the simpletons. I liked it.

I didn't like the attempts at humor in the episode though (the scene around the table for instance).

The issue is that we waited over 1.5 years to see the end. We had plenty of times to discuss so many endings that the build up was too much. No way we would be satisfied with any ending, especially since basically we don't want it to end.
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I like that King Bran had two basic concerns.... we need a few Masters and whereā€™s that flying weapon of mass destruction? ā€˜Cuz we need to keep tabs on him.

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I think Bran makes sense to take over AS the Three-Eyed Raven. That's where they screwed up IMO. The 3ER knows the entire history of Westeros, so he should know what NOT to do...this helping to break the wheel. I think that was sort of the point, but got butchered by Tyrion focusing on what Bran's "stories" as opposed to the "stories of all men".

Other than that, it was mostly an epilogue episode. I didn't think there was really anything to hate about it. I was expecting there to be some sort of twist with the Night King, or more white walkers...but, alas....

I did like that Drogon melted the throne...and the visual of Dany with Drogon's wings behind her was great as well.

And now my watch has ended. ;)
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Endo wrote:
50+ wrote:
I can only think of one thing. Spin offs. It's the only thing that makes sense, they are going to make spin offs. Game of Arya anyone?


Winner winner chicken dinner. They put the Arya and Jon spinoffs into the bank. Withdraw as needed.

I just hope Arya is a better Magellan than Magellan was



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Either Jon or Arya (both?) kills Dany. Jon returns to the north, reunites with his puppy and Tormund, and goes north of the wall to live among, or lead, the Nova Scotians, or whatever they call themselves. Sansa looks smug and bitchy clever and sits on the iron throne after a WTF was that shit 120 minutes, relocated to Winter fell. Other shit happens to people we kinda care about but by now, who are we kidding, we're all looking forward to bitching about the ending than actually watching it.


I wasn't too far off, either.

Alot of people were close on this.

Here's what I don't get. They want to break the wheel, they don't want some little sick snot-nosed brat ever terrorizing the people again. So they pick a system where those in power, and whose children and their children and so on, stay in power. Yeah, so those sitting under that tent last night were "good people" and picked a King they thought was the best for the people. But what about their children? Will they make the same good decisions. Just the fact that every single one of them laughed at Sam's idea of democracy ought to tell you something. The elite still rule, and still believe they have this Lord of Light-given right to.
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I'll go with the simpletons. I liked it.

I didn't like the attempts at humor in the episode though (the scene around the table for instance).

The issue is that we waited over 1.5 years to see the end. We had plenty of times to discuss so many endings that the build up was too much. No way we would be satisfied with any ending, especially since basically we don't want it to end.

Yeah, the brothel humor was a little off-base considering hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children had just been burned to a crisp.

The ending was fine for Lord of the Rings, or the Wheel of Time, or the Belgariad. Problem is, GOT was none of those things. But last night it was. This last season and a half it was.
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Yeah, the brothel humor was a little off-base considering hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children had just been burned to a crisp.

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Best part about last night was the Westworld trailer that came out of nowhere.
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Agreed. Good job JSA (but tell us, did you read the leaks?)

I didnā€™t. I didnā€™t even know there were leaks until it was mentioned here, but did not look for them. I donā€™t like spoilers.

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sphere wrote:
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Either Jon or Arya (both?) kills Dany. Jon returns to the north, reunites with his puppy and Tormund, and goes north of the wall to live among, or lead, the Nova Scotians, or whatever they call themselves. Sansa looks smug and bitchy clever and sits on the iron throne after a WTF was that shit 120 minutes, relocated to Winter fell. Other shit happens to people we kinda care about but by now, who are we kidding, we're all looking forward to bitching about the ending than actually watching it.


I wasn't too far off, either.

Alot of people were close on this.

Here's what I don't get. They want to break the wheel, they don't want some little sick snot-nosed brat ever terrorizing the people again. So they pick a system where those in power, and whose children and their children and so on, stay in power. Yeah, so those sitting under that tent last night were "good people" and picked a King they thought was the best for the people. But what about their children? Will they make the same good decisions. Just the fact that every single one of them laughed at Sam's idea of democracy ought to tell you something. The elite still rule, and still believe they have this Lord of Light-given right to.

Itā€™s incremental progress. Yes, maybe their grandkids screw it up, but at least theyā€™re moving away from the ā€œking dies, letā€™s have a devastating brawl for next upā€ model of governance. They want to break the wheel, but theyā€™re not gods who can construct the perfect system. Theyā€™re doing their best to make things better, but still guided - and limited - by the system that theyā€™ve always known.
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I was one of the people who had never seen an episode of the show nor read anything about it (books or articles or FB posts, LR threads) until a month ago. I feel like I went into the series with open eyes and no clue whatsoever what I was about to see. It was a great show. A fantastic show actually, the series as a whole. The only thing that annoyed the hell out of me with the last few episodes was Cerci not getting the death she deserved by either Jaime or Arya. That felt like an absolute cop-out.

I can see how people were going crazy over all the fan theories, because they have invested 10 years watching the show, and waiting almost 2 years for the final season. But me, having just watched the whole series right before the 2nd episode aired a couple of weeks ago made for a fun ride. I had guesses - I thought itā€™d be Sansa on the Throne, I didnā€™t guess Drogon melting it at all. I thought Arya was the one whoā€™d kill Daenerys (I also thought it was Needle that he stabbed her with but Arya still had it at the end so that wasnā€™t the case either). Otherwise, Jon still being King of the North (edit, I know thatā€™s wrong - I mean the North above the Wall), thinking he was just being sentenced to the Nights Watch again was satisfying. Ghost and Giantsbane being there to welcome him was a good end for him.

Compared to the Lost finale- this one was WAY better. They may have jumped the shark a bit, but overall, a fantastic show with an end that wasnā€™t completely fucked (at least in my eyes).

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bluemonkeytri wrote:
sphere wrote:
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Either Jon or Arya (both?) kills Dany. Jon returns to the north, reunites with his puppy and Tormund, and goes north of the wall to live among, or lead, the Nova Scotians, or whatever they call themselves. Sansa looks smug and bitchy clever and sits on the iron throne after a WTF was that shit 120 minutes, relocated to Winter fell. Other shit happens to people we kinda care about but by now, who are we kidding, we're all looking forward to bitching about the ending than actually watching it.


I wasn't too far off, either.


Alot of people were close on this.

Here's what I don't get. They want to break the wheel, they don't want some little sick snot-nosed brat ever terrorizing the people again. So they pick a system where those in power, and whose children and their children and so on, stay in power. Yeah, so those sitting under that tent last night were "good people" and picked a King they thought was the best for the people. But what about their children? Will they make the same good decisions. Just the fact that every single one of them laughed at Sam's idea of democracy ought to tell you something. The elite still rule, and still believe they have this Lord of Light-given right to.


Itā€™s incremental progress. Yes, maybe their grandkids screw it up, but at least theyā€™re moving away from the ā€œking dies, letā€™s have a devastating brawl for next upā€ model of governance. They want to break the wheel, but theyā€™re not gods who can construct the perfect system. Theyā€™re doing their best to make things better, but still guided - and limited - by the system that theyā€™ve always known.

But did they? What happens when no one can agree on the next King? What happens when one of these children are nuts and think they should be King?

And why didn't any other kingdom break off like The North?
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I watched my first GoT episode a month ago and have only seen the last 3-4.

I found it hard to believe Jon would be left alone with Dani in the current state of tension.

On the throne, it seems to me in Seinfeld terms there was a choice between Jerry, Kramer, George, and Elaine getting the throne...but instead Newman gets the throne? Seemed a reach to me.

The fairytale of yesteryear always ended, "...and they all lived happily ever after."

The modern fairytale ends, "...we don't know how it ends, but we're set for a movie/spinoffs, and you figure out how it ends."
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Either Jon or Arya (both?) kills Dany. Jon returns to the north, reunites with his puppy and Tormund, and goes north of the wall to live among, or lead, the Nova Scotians, or whatever they call themselves. Sansa looks smug and bitchy clever and sits on the iron throne after a WTF was that shit 120 minutes, relocated to Winter fell. Other shit happens to people we kinda care about but by now, who are we kidding, we're all looking forward to bitching about the ending than actually watching it.


I wasn't too far off, either.


Alot of people were close on this.

Here's what I don't get. They want to break the wheel, they don't want some little sick snot-nosed brat ever terrorizing the people again. So they pick a system where those in power, and whose children and their children and so on, stay in power. Yeah, so those sitting under that tent last night were "good people" and picked a King they thought was the best for the people. But what about their children? Will they make the same good decisions. Just the fact that every single one of them laughed at Sam's idea of democracy ought to tell you something. The elite still rule, and still believe they have this Lord of Light-given right to.


Itā€™s incremental progress. Yes, maybe their grandkids screw it up, but at least theyā€™re moving away from the ā€œking dies, letā€™s have a devastating brawl for next upā€ model of governance. They want to break the wheel, but theyā€™re not gods who can construct the perfect system. Theyā€™re doing their best to make things better, but still guided - and limited - by the system that theyā€™ve always known.

But did they? What happens when no one can agree on the next King? What happens when one of these children are nuts and think they should be King?

And why didn't any other kingdom break off like The North?

Yes, they took a step in the right direction. Itā€™s not a guarantee. The model could still break, just like any model of governance.

The North was historically a separate kingdom. There is precedent for it being independent, and a stronger desire amongst its people and its leadership to remain separate. Itā€™s also geographically more able to defend that independence in a way that the southern kingdoms arenā€™t.
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The only thing that annoyed the hell out of me with the last few episodes was Cerci not getting the death she deserved by either Jaime or Arya. That felt like an absolute cop-out.

That didn't bother me. Actually, I liked that Jamie died the way he did. Cersei was his fatal flaw, and he willingly stepped into the void to pay that price. It was the two of them paying the ultimate price for their sins.

And, if the Trump era has taught us anything, it's that life isn't fair and sometimes shitty people don't always get their comeuppance. Very often, they die of old age peacefully in their beds.

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And why didn't any other kingdom break off like The North?

Because Sansa thought of it first, and she went last.

It left me wanting to see the scene immediately after, with all the lords looking at each other and throwing their hands up like, That was an option? Why the fuck didn't we think of that?!

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The only thing that annoyed the hell out of me with the last few episodes was Cerci not getting the death she deserved by either Jaime or Arya. That felt like an absolute cop-out.

That didn't bother me. Actually, I liked that Jamie died the way he did. Cersei was his fatal flaw, and he willingly stepped into the void to pay that price. It was the two of them paying the ultimate price for their sins.

And, if the Trump era has taught us anything, it's that life isn't fair and sometimes shitty people don't always get their comeuppance. Very often, they die of old age peacefully in their beds.

Agreed. I guess I was just hoping for the happy ending that Jaime had actually changed, when in fact, he said it himself that he couldnā€™t.

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And why didn't any other kingdom break off like The North?


Because Sansa thought of it first, and she went last.

It left me wanting to see the scene immediately after, with all the lords looking at each other and throwing their hands up like, That was an option? Why the fuck didn't we think of that?!

So Bran's first act and decision after being chosen king is to grant the North's separation and independence (his family/sister). Nepotism much Brand? That act alone would should have undermined the whole situation and everyone's agreement, in an instant.

Anyway, just one out of numerous things that just make no sense with all that and Brand being the "king".

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Iā€™ve read the play by play but havenā€™t seen the last episode yet, but couldnā€™t avoid spoilers.

Can someone share how grey worm got out of his predicament of ā€˜war crimeā€™ ? I thought he had a bit of a rage bender killing the army which surrendered already?

Also did drogon not realise how danaerys was killed? Thus not cooking everyoneā€™s ass ? Because I thought the dragon may have looped out a bit more instead of melting the throne and decided to cook some more ass
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [IamSpartacus] [ In reply to ]
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Well there was a knife sticking out of her chest. It was pretty apparent how/who the killing happened. I am guessing they will say it's because Jon had part of her same bloodline and Drogon "couldn't" kill him. So he took her body and went home....

They just let Greyworm and all his men board a ship and sail away. They didn't address his war crimes. He also slit prisoners throats early in the episode per orders from the Queen.
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Best line of the night - Sir Podric

With Arya and Drogon both traveling east I see a spin-off on the horizon.
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Guess Iā€™m a simpleton. I like it.


A little cheesy, but I like liked most of it.

A solid B.


Look, any time you get boobs, swords, and sorcery taken seriously I'm ok with it.

My problem is there are a dozen fan theories that make more sense and would have been a better ending.

If oat bran was going to come out on top they needed to provide more reason than Tyrion said so. They never showed anyone besides Tyrion even having a conversation with him. They could have shown him just once have something useful to say somewhere in 8 seasons.

True enough but the more I think about it the more I'm sure this "last" episode was just a set up for some spin offs, HBO is going to try and make as much money off this as they can.
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Iā€™ve read the play by play but havenā€™t seen the last episode yet, but couldnā€™t avoid spoilers.

Can someone share how grey worm got out of his predicament of ā€˜war crimeā€™ ? I thought he had a bit of a rage bender killing the army which surrendered already?

Also did drogon not realise how danaerys was killed? Thus not cooking everyoneā€™s ass ? Because I thought the dragon may have looped out a bit more instead of melting the throne and decided to cook some more ass

He got out of it because he still has 1,000 Unsullied at his disposal, which matched the troops sent by the North.

We all knew here that GOT had a dragon problem. If Dany was killed they still had to deal with Drogon. So the answer is have him fly off with her dead body? What, is he starting the Westerosi version of the Bates Motel? Now that's the spin off I want to see.

And I will ask again, where the F is Winter? Winter was coming, right? It was snowing in Kings Landing when Jaime rode off to join the North, right? Last week looked rather balmy, even before Drogon was unleased. Did we just forget about the seasons?

Does this look like Winter:


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Iā€™ve read the play by play but havenā€™t seen the last episode yet, but couldnā€™t avoid spoilers.

Can someone share how grey worm got out of his predicament of ā€˜war crimeā€™ ? I thought he had a bit of a rage bender killing the army which surrendered already?

Also did drogon not realise how danaerys was killed? Thus not cooking everyoneā€™s ass ? Because I thought the dragon may have looped out a bit more instead of melting the throne and decided to cook some more ass

Just following orders.

This is Westeros, not Earth. That line of reasoning works there.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Iā€™ve read the play by play but havenā€™t seen the last episode yet, but couldnā€™t avoid spoilers.

Can someone share how grey worm got out of his predicament of ā€˜war crimeā€™ ? I thought he had a bit of a rage bender killing the army which surrendered already?

Also did drogon not realise how danaerys was killed? Thus not cooking everyoneā€™s ass ? Because I thought the dragon may have looped out a bit more instead of melting the throne and decided to cook some more ass


Just following orders.

This is Westeros, not Earth. That line of reasoning works there.

Concessions made for peace. It's not like it's unprecedented on Earth, either.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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IamSpartacus wrote:
Iā€™ve read the play by play but havenā€™t seen the last episode yet, but couldnā€™t avoid spoilers.

Can someone share how grey worm got out of his predicament of ā€˜war crimeā€™ ? I thought he had a bit of a rage bender killing the army which surrendered already?

Also did drogon not realise how danaerys was killed? Thus not cooking everyoneā€™s ass ? Because I thought the dragon may have looped out a bit more instead of melting the throne and decided to cook some more ass


He got out of it because he still has 1,000 Unsullied at his disposal, which matched the troops sent by the North.

We all knew here that GOT had a dragon problem. If Dany was killed they still had to deal with Drogon. So the answer is have him fly off with her dead body? What, is he starting the Westerosi version of the Bates Motel? Now that's the spin off I want to see.

And I will ask again, where the F is Winter? Winter was coming, right? It was snowing in Kings Landing when Jaime rode off to join the North, right? Last week looked rather balmy, even before Drogon was unleased. Did we just forget about the seasons?

Does this look like Winter:


Or the fact when Jon walks by Drogon, the dragon is under ~6" on show, yet two weeks later when Tyrion is brought to face judgement it looks like a nice spring day at worst.



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I watched my first GoT episode a month ago and have only seen the last 3-4.

I found it hard to believe Jon would be left alone with Dani in the current state of tension.

On the throne, it seems to me in Seinfeld terms there was a choice between Jerry, Kramer, George, and Elaine getting the throne...but instead Newman gets the throne? Seemed a reach to me.

The fairytale of yesteryear always ended, "...and they all lived happily ever after."

The modern fairytale ends, "...we don't know how it ends, but we're set for a movie/spinoffs, and you figure out how it ends."

Good analogy. And like the last Seinfeld, the finale fell far short of the series best episodes.

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IamSpartacus wrote:
Iā€™ve read the play by play but havenā€™t seen the last episode yet, but couldnā€™t avoid spoilers.

Can someone share how grey worm got out of his predicament of ā€˜war crimeā€™ ? I thought he had a bit of a rage bender killing the army which surrendered already?

Also did drogon not realise how danaerys was killed? Thus not cooking everyoneā€™s ass ? Because I thought the dragon may have looped out a bit more instead of melting the throne and decided to cook some more ass


He got out of it because he still has 1,000 Unsullied at his disposal, which matched the troops sent by the North.

We all knew here that GOT had a dragon problem. If Dany was killed they still had to deal with Drogon. So the answer is have him fly off with her dead body? What, is he starting the Westerosi version of the Bates Motel? Now that's the spin off I want to see.

And I will ask again, where the F is Winter? Winter was coming, right? It was snowing in Kings Landing when Jaime rode off to join the North, right? Last week looked rather balmy, even before Drogon was unleased. Did we just forget about the seasons?

Does this look like Winter:


No it looks like it's in a damn desert. Not the mouth of a fertile plain where it had been in the first 6 seasons...


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My take: they were never going to satisfy all the fans - the GRRM diehards, the show-only crowd, the people who jumped on late because of hte social media following. However, I think they managed to finish it in a way that NO ONE enjoyed, unless they're happy enough with six great seasons. It was a lazy, Hollywood-type ending to a show that was so popular precisely because it was a break from Hollywood-type predictability and fairy tale endings.

The Mad Queen got the knife to the stomach she deserved. The long-suffering Stark kids all wound up where they belonged. Brienne, Davos, Sam, Bronn reached their personal pinnacles. And the seven kingdoms were 'saved' from the Night King/White Walkers and tyrannical leaders. Yay.

I hated the dragon roasting the iron throne, it was pure symbolism and made no sense. Tyrion should have been a sympathetic figure dying for doing the right thing, instead he's the reluctant Hand of the King. Bran the Broken as King of the Seven (Six) kingdoms makes no sense no matter how you spin it, and there's not a fan of the show who wanted him on the throne. For all the buildup of Arya and her nightmarish experience during Bells she did nothing this final episode - what the fuck was the point of all her Faceless Man training if she wasn't going to use it at all this final season??? What's the point of Jon being revealed to be a Targaryean and heir to the Throne if it was never sufficiently used beyond it being a very mild push for Dany toward her cracking? Greyworm and the Unsullied slit the throats of soldiers who had surrendered because their Queen instructed them to; Jon Snow KILLS THEIR QUEEN and he's put in a cell? Dany had Unsullied walking lockstep with her after the battle yet she's conveniently alone in the throne room when Jon gets there? Tyrion betrayed his Queen, was Hand during the bloodiest massacre in history, murdered his father and conspired against his sister, had documented fuck-ups over and over after returning to Westeros and a two-minute speech from him was sufficient for all the Lords to sign on to Bran as King?

I liked how Sansa turned out, and Brienne filling out Jamie's story was a great touch. Jon reuniting with Ghost and going North made a lot of sense. Beyond that I hated this episode and the producers royally f'd up these final two seasons IMO. I'll never get over six seasons of build-up of the White Walkers only to have a one-episode battle being resolved with a single knife. But most of this show was fantastic...and I can only hope GRRM gets his shit together to finish the books.
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I am fairly aligned with your points. Frankly, glad its over.

I am fine with Bran as king as long as GRR Martin intended that from the beginning of the series. if that was his vision then cool. I respect the heck out of the guy for writing an amazing epic saga. I hope Bran as king wasn't something conceived in the last couple years.
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Dany had Unsullied walking lockstep with her after the battle yet she's conveniently alone in the throne room when Jon gets there?

This I actually get. its not like them two havnt been in a room alone together. They dont know about jon's claim to the throne, etc. The only real thing is that greyworm knew he wasnt happy about the killings of soldiers.

I do not get Sansa at all. 1) everyone votes for Bran STARK to be king, 2) Sansa STARK says the North is going to be independent. This makes no sense to put your guy in charge, then say your leaving. This would cause everyone else to leave as well.
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They didn't allow him weapons when he met with Tyrion, why would he be allowed Weapons seeing Daeny?

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Dany had Unsullied walking lockstep with her after the battle yet she's conveniently alone in the throne room when Jon gets there?

This I actually get. its not like them two havnt been in a room alone together. They dont know about jon's claim to the throne, etc. The only real thing is that greyworm knew he wasnt happy about the killings of soldiers.

I do not get Sansa at all. 1) everyone votes for Bran STARK to be king, 2) Sansa STARK says the North is going to be independent. This makes no sense to put your guy in charge, then say your leaving. This would cause everyone else to leave as well.

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Dany had Unsullied walking lockstep with her after the battle yet she's conveniently alone in the throne room when Jon gets there?


This I actually get. its not like them two havnt been in a room alone together. They dont know about jon's claim to the throne, etc. The only real thing is that greyworm knew he wasnt happy about the killings of soldiers.

I do not get Sansa at all. 1) everyone votes for Bran STARK to be king, 2) Sansa STARK says the North is going to be independent. This makes no sense to put your guy in charge, then say your leaving. This would cause everyone else to leave as well.
See but Bran is no ones guy. He's the three-eyed raven. He hasn't been a Stark since Hodor was dragging him around the North and he went all kooky. That said I do think everyone would be in an uproar if this actually played out the way it did: Jon being freed (albeit to the Nights Watch), Bran selected as King and Sansa allowed to claim Winterfell and the Northern kingdom as an independent state. It just doesn't make sense for the other Lords (besides Sam, Brienne and Davos) to sign on to that. How were the Unsullied - the one army that appeared intact (somehow) - satisfied with that after the Queen who saved them from slavery was murdered???

Bran and Arya were the most unsatisfying characters, imo, this final season. All the buildup from both of them and Bran sat dead-eyed 90% of them time and otherwise didn't contribute anything but 'Confucius says...' idiocy. And Arya didn't pull a single faceless man stunt this - she killed the Night King but they didn't use any of her training to get her there, otherwise she was either protected by Sandor and what's-his-name in the Battle of Winterfell, and was stumbling around Kings Landing like a lost child during Bells. Jon as Targaryean, dragon-riding heir to the throne was a dud too. Just so many missed opportunities.
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Not a direct response to you Brownie, just adding to the thread.

I did like Jon's wrap up going north of the wall, as he turned and saw the gate being closed he had a little smirk, which I thought let the viewer know Jon was finally a free man. His story arc starting out wanting to go to the wall to range north with his uncle, concluded with htat, minus the uncle of course.

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They didn't allow him weapons when he met with Tyrion, why would he be allowed Weapons seeing Daeny?

And they made it abundantly clear he had to give up his weapons to meet Tyrion.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Good analogy. And like the last Seinfeld, the finale fell far short of the series best episodes.

The only way to make a finale the best episode is either to sand bag all of the previous episodes, or to plan it all out years in advance and really put alot of writing energy and effort into that episode.

End Game nailed it, but they had it planned from the beginning. In most cases people put their best ideas out there when they think of them, and then tend to fall flat by the time everything gets wrapped up. They just simply run out of good, fresh ideas.

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However, I think they managed to finish it in a way that NO ONE enjoyed,......

57% of Rotten Tomatoes. Not a great score, especially for a show that averaged 82-91%, but still far better than the NO ONE quoted above.

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Jon reuniting with Ghost and going North made a lot of sense.

Except for the big reason. He was let free because he took the black. But there should be no Nights Watch anymore for a couple reasons.

  1. Every single watchman left the wall and went to Winterfell, and thus left the watch
  2. What are they watching? The story was wildlings, who now were given the Reach, and thus live everywhere 50 miles SOUTH of the wall.
  3. What are they watching, pt 2: The real? reason the watch exists is to protect the south from walkers. They are all dead now
  4. Logistics. The watch "now" is part of the kingdom of the 6, except now there is an independent kingdom between the riverlands and the wall... But for the first 7500 years of the wall, that was true, but all the kingdoms were independent then

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Jon reuniting with Ghost and going North made a lot of sense.


Except for the big reason. He was let free because he took the black. But there should be no Nights Watch anymore for a couple reasons.

  1. Every single watchman left the wall and went to Winterfell, and thus left the watch
  2. What are they watching? The story was wildlings, who now were given the Reach, and thus live everywhere 50 miles SOUTH of the wall.
  3. What are they watching, pt 2: The real? reason the watch exists is to protect the south from walkers. They are all dead now
  4. Logistics. The watch "now" is part of the kingdom of the 6, except now there is an independent kingdom between the riverlands and the wall... But for the first 7500 years of the wall, that was true, but all the kingdoms were independent then

Not going to defend it, but I thought letting Jon "take the black" was just a convenient justification the people there used to do what they really wanted to do...which was let him go.

I'm not sure the people there really believed that The Watch and Black was really still a thing anymore. With a /wink, they used that to justify letting him go free.

Hell, at the end of the episode, the just leaves the wall, going out to the wilds. Its not like he stayed there to build up a command.

No idea what the reckoning was on why Sam was still not bound to his sworn oath and other of the Nights Watch still alive. Could be that they all get released from their oath and duties when the White Walkers were defeated. Their service and their Watch ended.

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Just adding to the thread and yours was the latest.

I personally am disappointed they didn't make Jon do a trial by combat with Grey Worm (you know he would've agreed to it). That would've been interesting since they did a pseudo setup earlier in the episode.

I also thought Sam bringing up the democracy idea was lame....GoT is supposed to mess with you and not be some sort of cliche ending. But what's his face....Sansa's even lamer uncle...that was entertaining. He was so inept at trying to pitch himself as the next candidate for the king (nailed it).
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"trial by combat with Grey Worm"

Hell yeah, you're hired as the new head writer!! That would've put a finality on the tension between them. The stink eye they gave each other at the harbor felt too contrived, like they're generating interest in a spin off.

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However, I think they managed to finish it in a way that NO ONE enjoyed,......


57% of Rotten Tomatoes. Not a great score, especially for a show that averaged 82-91%, but still far better than the NO ONE quoted above.
I meant it more in the sense of the factions of fans I mentioned: the GRRM 'Song of Ice and Fire' book diehards, the HBO show-only crowd and the people who hopped on late because of the popularity/social media aspect of things. I think each 'fanbase' went into things with different expectations and understanding of the plot and characters. And from what I've seen and read every 'group' has been disappointed with this season and especially this finale.

Here is the IMDB viewer rating numbers for the episode:
https://www.imdb.com/...atings?ref_=tt_ov_rt

4.6 is the lowest in the shows history. 17% of fans gave it a 10. I'd be willing to bet at least half those people rated it solely as a 'lifetime achievement' rating and not for the episode itself. On the other side 42% rated it a 1.

I'd have given it a 4. It wasn't worthless garbage and I liked a few elements of the final episode. This last season I wouldn't hvae given a single episode higher than a 7 and I don't know if there are more than a handful of episodes in the first 6 season that would've been below an 8. Just altogether a really rough conclusion to what was an awesome concept and series.
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Good analogy. And like the last Seinfeld, the finale fell far short of the series best episodes.


The only way to make a finale the best episode is either to sand bag all of the previous episodes, or to plan it all out years in advance and really put alot of writing energy and effort into that episode.

End Game nailed it, but they had it planned from the beginning. In most cases people put their best ideas out there when they think of them, and then tend to fall flat by the time everything gets wrapped up. They just simply run out of good, fresh ideas.

Jumping the shark is a phrase for a reason.
Or to have source material that played everything out for you, allowing you to craft the story the way they did the majority of the show. This is all on GRRM, he got rich and famous and gave up on ASOIAF. Lots of people spent countless hours on his books and this series, and for me I've enjoyed the majority of it. But to not have a satisfying conclusion to the show--largely because the story wasn't fleshed out for the producers and they got sick of it--and still not have a conclusion to the book series is frustrating.
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I'll say this much. It seems like fans are almost always disappointed with finales.

I don't put much stock into it, but instead manage my expectations.

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Bran and Arya were the most unsatisfying characters, imo, this final season. All the buildup from both of them and Bran sat dead-eyed 90% of them time and otherwise didn't contribute anything but 'Confucius says...


The take away for me was that Bran had been playing the game of thrones all along. This is why he told Jon who he really was and this is why he said, "why do you think I came all this way?" after Tyrion offered him the crown. If I were to rewrite the last season, the change I would seek was making it obvious that Bran was indeed playing the game.

One other thing on Greyworms war crimes. Winners have never committed war crimes. Because they get to write the history books.
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If the last two seasons stayed with the 10-episode format it would have given more time for the storylines to breathe and add some of the rich little details that made the first six seasons so great. HBO offered it but Weiss & Benioff wanted to fewer episodes but also with longer run times, causing the story to be rushed as a result.

Grey Worm vs. Jon trial by combat would have been great to see but IMO wouldn't have worked in this shortened format where Grey Worm's heel turn seemed so rushed/forced without the usual buildup. CleganeBowl had been teased since the very first season, and the Mountain vs the Viper had been built over the entire fourth season (I still think it was the most shocking/gruesome death on the show). I think Grey Worm would have won, but him vs Arya would have been even better given both of their fighting styles/skills.

Arya basically became Jules from Pulp Fiction, leaving the assassin's life to roam the earth like Caine, having adventures and helping people.



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I'll say this much. It seems like fans are almost always disappointed with finales.

I don't put much stock into it, but instead manage my expectations.
Breaking Bad finale was universally praised.

This is a sprawling fantasy epic, it was always going to be difficult to conclude in a way that most people enjoyed. However the universal criticisms seem to be less about the specifics of how things played out and more about generalized themes. I.e. why didn't the producers opt for more episodes these last two seasons to allow certain elements to play out better (i.e. Dany's devolution to the Mad Queen she became)? Why has GRRM not concluded the series at this point, which would've given the showrunners more source material to play with? Why didn't Arya's Faceless Man training or Bran's 3-eyed raven capabilities or Jon's Targaryean blood not play a larger role in this final season?

I would be perfectly happy with a final season that played out differently than I would've liked, but which made logical sense and tied in elements of the show that built to this point. I think Weiss and Benioff were ready to move on from the show and mailed things in, serving up two massive battles in the final season and hoping the red meat was enough for fans to ignore some really dumb, lazy decisions.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
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Brownie28 wrote:

Bran and Arya were the most unsatisfying characters, imo, this final season. All the buildup from both of them and Bran sat dead-eyed 90% of them time and otherwise didn't contribute anything but 'Confucius says...


The take away for me was that Bran had been playing the game of thrones all along. This is why he told Jon who he really was and this is why he said, "why do you think I came all this way?" after Tyrion offered him the crown. If I were to rewrite the last season, the change I would seek was making it obvious that Bran was indeed playing the game.

One other thing on Greyworms war crimes. Winners have never committed war crimes. Because they get to write the history books.
My gripe with Bran is simply the way the character was written and how little he said and did. The new King had probably five lines this entire final season, all of the 'Confucius says...' variety. It was just an odd way to write a character they knew would ultimately become the King--just a lot of blank, awkward stares and dumb one-liners.
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IamSpartacus wrote:
Iā€™ve read the play by play but havenā€™t seen the last episode yet, but couldnā€™t avoid spoilers.

Can someone share how grey worm got out of his predicament of ā€˜war crimeā€™ ? I thought he had a bit of a rage bender killing the army which surrendered already?

Also did drogon not realise how danaerys was killed? Thus not cooking everyoneā€™s ass ? Because I thought the dragon may have looped out a bit more instead of melting the throne and decided to cook some more ass

He got out of it because he still has 1,000 Unsullied at his disposal, which matched the troops sent by the North.

We all knew here that GOT had a dragon problem. If Dany was killed they still had to deal with Drogon. So the answer is have him fly off with her dead body? What, is he starting the Westerosi version of the Bates Motel? Now that's the spin off I want to see.

And I will ask again, where the F is Winter? Winter was coming, right? It was snowing in Kings Landing when Jaime rode off to join the North, right? Last week looked rather balmy, even before Drogon was unleased. Did we just forget about the seasons?

Does this look like Winter:


Winter was coming only cos of the night king. Night king gone no winter.
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Not necessarily. There is a legend that is true, but I think GRMM has said that the odd seasons are a result of the planet Westeros is on.

Climate and seasonsWesteros's climate shifts from a subarctic wasteland in the furthest north, beyond the Wall, to a desert climate in the furthest south, along the peninsula of Dorne. In the normal course of events, the furthest north still has light snowfalls even in the longest summers while Dorne almost never sees snow, even in the most severe winters.
Westeros and Essos both experience seasons of varying length, usually lasting at least a couple of years each. The length of the seasons is completely unpredictable and varies randomly. The maesters of the Citadel keep a close eye on the length of the days in order to try to predict how long the current season will last, but this is an inexact science at best.
At the time the series opens, the world has been experiencing a summer that has lasted for nine years, which is unusually long, and the maesters fear that an equally long winter will follow. Westeros extends much further north than Essos, so is much more adversely affected by long winters, while Essos, which extends into equatorial regions, is typically warmer.
In the North, the winters are extremely cruel. Lords set aside non-perishable food items for storage against the next winter, while many of the North's most notable strongholds are built in favorable areas, such as Winterfell on hot springs or the Dreadfort of House Bolton on volcanic vents. Some castles, like Winterfell, have elaborate greenhouses which permit the growing of vegetables even in the harshest winters. Despite these precautions, famine and starvation is common during Northern winters, and is one of the reasons the North has a small population despite its vast size.
There is a suggestion that the long seasons are not natural in origin, but may have stemmed from a near-mythical event called the Long Night 8,000 years ago, when it is said that the White Walkers used the cover of a winter that lasted a generation and a night that lasted for years to invade Westeros. They were defeated in the War for the Dawn, thrown back into the furthest north and prevented from returning by the raising of the Wall, but the seasons never recovered. Maesters are highly skeptical of this story, dismissing it as folklore, despite the inarguable presence of the Wall.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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TheStroBro wrote:
They didn't allow him weapons when he met with Tyrion, why would he be allowed Weapons seeing Daeny?


And they made it abundantly clear he had to give up his weapons to meet Tyrion.

Tyrion was a prisoner. Seems reasonable they wouldn't allow Jon to bring weapons in there.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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If the last two seasons stayed with the 10-episode format it would have given more time for the storylines to breathe and add some of the rich little details that made the first six seasons so great. HBO offered it but Weiss & Benioff wanted to fewer episodes but also with longer run times, causing the story to be rushed as a result.

Grey Worm vs. Jon trial by combat would have been great to see but IMO wouldn't have worked in this shortened format where Grey Worm's heel turn seemed so rushed/forced without the usual buildup. CleganeBowl had been teased since the very first season, and the Mountain vs the Viper had been built over the entire fourth season (I still think it was the most shocking/gruesome death on the show). I think Grey Worm would have won, but him vs Arya would have been even better given both of their fighting styles/skills.

Arya basically became Jules from Pulp Fiction, leaving the assassin's life to roam the earth like Caine, having adventures and helping people.

This is really where it breaks down. Sure, I suppose Daenerys could decide to burn Kings Landing and Raisin Bran could be king. But you didn't show how we got there. There is a path between being called 'Missa' and killing everyone. Kings don't get chosen just because they tell a good story to one guy that one time.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brownie28] [ In reply to ]
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My gripe with Bran is simply the way the character was written and how little he said and did. The new King had probably five lines this entire final season, all of the 'Confucius says...' variety. It was just an odd way to write a character they knew would ultimately become the King--just a lot of blank, awkward stares and dumb one-liners.

I guess his way of playing the game was to stay in the game and appear wholly disinterested in playing it? If so, well played.

But the writers could and should have invested a little more in his plotline knowing he'd be king. He really was just plot device furniture for most of the series.

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Brownie28 wrote:
Jon reuniting with Ghost and going North made a lot of sense.


Except for the big reason. He was let free because he took the black. But there should be no Nights Watch anymore for a couple reasons.

Spin offs sir, spin offs.
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My gripe with Bran is simply the way the character was written and how little he said and did. The new King had probably five lines this entire final season, all of the 'Confucius says...' variety. It was just an odd way to write a character they knew would ultimately become the King--just a lot of blank, awkward stares and dumb one-liners.


I guess his way of playing the game was to stay in the game and appear wholly disinterested in playing it? If so, well played.

But the writers could and should have invested a little more in his plotline knowing he'd be king. He really was just plot device furniture for most of the series.

He literally was missing for a season and a half. How is that the guy that ends up on the throne. You might as well have named the "new prince of Dorne".
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Breaking Bad finale was universally praised.

There's the exception to the rule. If we want to add in movies, End Game is also an exception.

GoT had an end goal in mind, so they rushed it.
Battle Star Galactica had a 4 episode rush to wrap it up once they realized they were in their last season.
Seinfeld had to write something in a normal amount of time to basically "end the show," one which really wasn't supposed to have a finale.
Most shows jump the shark by the end, so no one really cares.
Lost had no idea what they were doing the whole time and were just making it up as they went. Then they had pull something out of their butts.
The Sopranos thought it would be awesome if they left it open ended. Turns out they were wrong.

Anyway, this doesn't mean you can't have your opinions. Maybe some days writers will figure out how to do it consistently. As it stands, only armchair writers have figured it out. ;)

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Best line of the night - Sir Podric

With Arya and Drogon both traveling east I see a spin-off on the horizon.

Arya went west. ā€œWhatā€™s west of Westerosā€ is what she asked.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Brian in MA wrote:
Arya basically became Jules from Pulp Fiction, leaving the assassin's life to roam the earth like Kwai Chang Caine [Kung Fu], having adventures and helping people.

I'd totally watch that

Especially if she has a wallet that says "Bad Mother Fucker" on it

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Breaking Bad finale was universally praised.


There's the exception to the rule. If we want to add in movies, End Game is also an exception.

GoT had an end goal in mind, so they rushed it.
Battle Star Galactica had a 4 episode rush to wrap it up once they realized they were in their last season.
Seinfeld had to write something in a normal amount of time to basically "end the show," one which really wasn't supposed to have a finale.
Most shows jump the shark by the end, so no one really cares.
Lost had no idea what they were doing the whole time and were just making it up as they went. Then they had pull something out of their butts.
The Sopranos thought it would be awesome if they left it open ended. Turns out they were wrong.

Anyway, this doesn't mean you can't have your opinions. Maybe some days writers will figure out how to do it consistently. As it stands, only armchair writers have figured it out. ;)

Seinfeld isn't a good example because it was never meant to be episodic. That finale sucked but it was never going to be satisfying, a 20 minute wrap-up for a show about nothing?
Lost was a slow-moving trainwreck, most fans knew the producers lost their way well before the final season but we were all too invested to avert our eyes. It was a beautiful disaster but we could all see it coming.
The Sopranos fade to black was AWESOME; some people hated it sure, but this falls in the 'eye of the beholder' category than anything, the final season was just fine, the finale was just fine, all that is debated is the fade to black and whether there should hvae been closure on Tony.

You're missing MASH, Six Feet Under, Cheers...lots of shows hvae been able to wrap things up in a satisfying way.

I'm not pretending GoT isn't it's own animal, as I said before this was always going to be an immensely difficult show to conclude. My argument is simply that the producers rushed the conclusion and got a lot wrong because of it. And not 'wrong' in the sense of 'I wish Jon was on the throne' or 'I wish Dany lived', rather they took illogical steps in how characters acted or were used in order to reach this final conclusion, and didn't use certain character traits (Arya and the faces as a great example) in this final season.
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They didn't allow him weapons when he met with Tyrion, why would he be allowed Weapons seeing Daeny?

I think Drogon was the only guard to the throne room where Daeny was. One way in, guarded by a dragon. Seems plausible. (BTW, I liked the long distance visual of John standing in front of the dragon while Drogon confirmed that he was someone Dany would want to see.)
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I am curious to what was going on in the other continents during all of this. I know there was the continent where the dorthroaki were from. Or where Greyworm is now sailing too (at least we know that they are "peaceful" people).

Not sure if this is the same place as slavers bay. But is the rest of the world a wasteland? Why didnt they help against the night king?
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I am curious to what was going on in the other continents during all of this. I know there was the continent where the dorthroaki were from. Or where Greyworm is now sailing too (at least we know that they are "peaceful" people).

Not sure if this is the same place as slavers bay. But is the rest of the world a wasteland? Why didnt they help against the night king?


Map in the books has 2 major continents, Westeros and Essos, separated by the Narrow Sea. Essos is both where the Dothraki are from and where Slavers Bay is. There is another continent south of Essos on the map, but (at least in the first two books I read) that continent didnā€™t come into play and was just sort of a ā€œdeepest darkest Africaā€ area.

We donā€™t know whatā€™s west of Westeros, other than the Jade Sea. Thatā€™s what Arya is going to find out (ā€œWhatā€™s west of Westeros?ā€ Is what she asked in the final episode).

ETA: my mistake, Sunset Sea is to the west. Jade Sea is way east.
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Why didn't they help against the night king?

The same reason the other Magic schools didn't help Hogwarts battle Voldemort?

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RandMart wrote:
patentattorney wrote:
Why didn't they help against the night king?


The same reason the other Magic schools didn't help Hogwarts battle Voldemort?
This was covered in one of the last episodes of season 7, the White Walkers/zombies can't cross water - Euron Greyjoy said he was going back to the Iron Islands rather than join the fight against the Night King.

Why join a fight that isn't a threat to your people or continent?
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Breaking Bad finale was universally praised.


There's the exception to the rule. If we want to add in movies, End Game is also an exception.

GoT had an end goal in mind, so they rushed it.
Battle Star Galactica had a 4 episode rush to wrap it up once they realized they were in their last season.
Seinfeld had to write something in a normal amount of time to basically "end the show," one which really wasn't supposed to have a finale.
Most shows jump the shark by the end, so no one really cares.
Lost had no idea what they were doing the whole time and were just making it up as they went. Then they had pull something out of their butts.
The Sopranos thought it would be awesome if they left it open ended. Turns out they were wrong.

Anyway, this doesn't mean you can't have your opinions. Maybe some days writers will figure out how to do it consistently. As it stands, only armchair writers have figured it out. ;)

Massive series that ended well: Friends. The Office. MASH. Breaking Bad. Scrubs. The Wire. Six Feet Under. The West Wing.

Good writers seems to be able to figure it out.

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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brownie28] [ In reply to ]
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Brownie28 wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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Breaking Bad finale was universally praised.


There's the exception to the rule. If we want to add in movies, End Game is also an exception.

GoT had an end goal in mind, so they rushed it.
Battle Star Galactica had a 4 episode rush to wrap it up once they realized they were in their last season.
Seinfeld had to write something in a normal amount of time to basically "end the show," one which really wasn't supposed to have a finale.
Most shows jump the shark by the end, so no one really cares.
Lost had no idea what they were doing the whole time and were just making it up as they went. Then they had pull something out of their butts.
The Sopranos thought it would be awesome if they left it open ended. Turns out they were wrong.

Anyway, this doesn't mean you can't have your opinions. Maybe some days writers will figure out how to do it consistently. As it stands, only armchair writers have figured it out. ;)

Seinfeld isn't a good example because it was never meant to be episodic. That finale sucked but it was never going to be satisfying, a 20 minute wrap-up for a show about nothing?
Lost was a slow-moving trainwreck, most fans knew the producers lost their way well before the final season but we were all too invested to avert our eyes. It was a beautiful disaster but we could all see it coming.
The Sopranos fade to black was AWESOME; some people hated it sure, but this falls in the 'eye of the beholder' category than anything, the final season was just fine, the finale was just fine, all that is debated is the fade to black and whether there should hvae been closure on Tony.

You're missing MASH, Six Feet Under, Cheers...lots of shows hvae been able to wrap things up in a satisfying way.

I'm not pretending GoT isn't it's own animal, as I said before this was always going to be an immensely difficult show to conclude. My argument is simply that the producers rushed the conclusion and got a lot wrong because of it. And not 'wrong' in the sense of 'I wish Jon was on the throne' or 'I wish Dany lived', rather they took illogical steps in how characters acted or were used in order to reach this final conclusion, and didn't use certain character traits (Arya and the faces as a great example) in this final season.

One did just that Thurs night. I thought the Big Bang Theory finale was perfect for that show.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 is finally here. SPOILERS [Brownie28] [ In reply to ]
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Brownie28 wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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Breaking Bad finale was universally praised.


There's the exception to the rule. If we want to add in movies, End Game is also an exception.

GoT had an end goal in mind, so they rushed it.
Battle Star Galactica had a 4 episode rush to wrap it up once they realized they were in their last season.
Seinfeld had to write something in a normal amount of time to basically "end the show," one which really wasn't supposed to have a finale.
Most shows jump the shark by the end, so no one really cares.
Lost had no idea what they were doing the whole time and were just making it up as they went. Then they had pull something out of their butts.
The Sopranos thought it would be awesome if they left it open ended. Turns out they were wrong.

Anyway, this doesn't mean you can't have your opinions. Maybe some days writers will figure out how to do it consistently. As it stands, only armchair writers have figured it out. ;)

Seinfeld isn't a good example because it was never meant to be episodic. That finale sucked but it was never going to be satisfying, a 20 minute wrap-up for a show about nothing?
Lost was a slow-moving trainwreck, most fans knew the producers lost their way well before the final season but we were all too invested to avert our eyes. It was a beautiful disaster but we could all see it coming.
The Sopranos fade to black was AWESOME; some people hated it sure, but this falls in the 'eye of the beholder' category than anything, the final season was just fine, the finale was just fine, all that is debated is the fade to black and whether there should hvae been closure on Tony.

You're missing MASH, Six Feet Under, Cheers...lots of shows hvae been able to wrap things up in a satisfying way.

I'm not pretending GoT isn't it's own animal, as I said before this was always going to be an immensely difficult show to conclude. My argument is simply that the producers rushed the conclusion and got a lot wrong because of it. And not 'wrong' in the sense of 'I wish Jon was on the throne' or 'I wish Dany lived', rather they took illogical steps in how characters acted or were used in order to reach this final conclusion, and didn't use certain character traits (Arya and the faces as a great example) in this final season.

Reason why Arya and her faces were not used was that with the death of the Night King, the era of man as opposed to magic was being ushered in. The whole Arya and many faces thing was about her finding her own place in the world, and her ending was satisfying in that respect.

GOT has always been about the shades of grey in the human condition. Humans can and do do 'illogical' things because we aren't black and white.

What is a 'logical' step? Was the killing of Ned Stark 'logical'? Most people thought he would be the main character throughout.
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Reason why Arya and her faces were not used was that with the death of the Night King, the era of man as opposed to magic was being ushered in. The whole Arya and many faces thing was about her finding her own place in the world, and her ending was satisfying in that respect.

You could have completely removed the faces from the Arya story and come to that same conclusion. She went through hell and that journey would have explained her transformation to a badass. The many faces skill should have mattered more. It really didn't. All it did was get her revenge for the Red Wedding and that could have been accomplished in another manner. In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.

fulla wrote:
GOT has always been about the shades of grey in the human condition. Humans can and do do 'illogical' things because we aren't black and white.

What is a 'logical' step? Was the killing of Ned Stark 'logical'? Most people thought he would be the main character throughout.

GoT has always been about "bad things happening to good people." A happy ending for the remaining characters was as anti-GoT as it comes. It was a ridiculous non-GoT way to end an otherwise great series.

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fulla wrote:


Reason why Arya and her faces were not used was that with the death of the Night King, the era of man as opposed to magic was being ushered in. The whole Arya and many faces thing was about her finding her own place in the world, and her ending was satisfying in that respect.


You could have completely removed the faces from the Arya story and come to that same conclusion. She went through hell and that journey would have explained her transformation to a badass. The many faces skill should have mattered more. It really didn't. All it did was get her revenge for the Red Wedding and that could have been accomplished in another manner. In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.

fulla wrote:
GOT has always been about the shades of grey in the human condition. Humans can and do do 'illogical' things because we aren't black and white.

What is a 'logical' step? Was the killing of Ned Stark 'logical'? Most people thought he would be the main character throughout.


GoT has always been about "bad things happening to good people." A happy ending for the remaining characters was as anti-GoT as it comes. It was a ridiculous non-GoT way to end an otherwise great series.

In life, sometimes experiences don't matter more. The red wedding was a relatively important event wasn't it? the many faces story line was certainly interesting at the time, and fiction is full of digressions which perhaps don't always result in influencing the conclusion but certainly do influence events prior to that. Arya was full of revenge at one point, but then we gradually witnessed a transformation in her, when she realised that revenge perhaps wans't all it was cracked up to be.

If GOT has always been about bad things happening to good people, then why are people complaining about Daenrys' arc in the last two episodes?

I'm not sure that Jon Snow's ending was as happy as some think. It was somewhat bitter sweet as he came across as being seriously lonely to me. So was Arya's. She's still searching for something missing in her life.
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Reason why Arya and her faces were not used was that with the death of the Night King, the era of man as opposed to magic was being ushered in. The whole Arya and many faces thing was about her finding her own place in the world, and her ending was satisfying in that respect.

GOT has always been about the shades of grey in the human condition. Humans can and do do 'illogical' things because we aren't black and white.

What is a 'logical' step? Was the killing of Ned Stark 'logical'? Most people thought he would be the main character throughout.
Ned Stark is a good example: GoT broke the mold and a huge reason it was as popular as it was is because it didn't use typical tv and movie programming logic of 'the good guys win'...it actually WAS logical that Ned would be killed, he was moral and trusting, and he was done in by those traits. The Lannister's were underhanded and calculating, they couldn't be trusted and yet he did. SAme with the Red Wedding: the Frey's were in league with the Lannisters and chose money over custom and morality.

What wasn't logical is Dany's quick turn to insanity. The number of main characters who stayed alive during the insane blitzkrieg on Winterfell, friggin Sam Tarly somehow lived through it! Or the prisoner Tyrion, who betrayed his queen and fucked up over and over again, somehow convincing the Lords of the seven kingdoms that Bran--the crippled kid who didn't say more than twenty words in the past few seasons--was the right choice as King. Jon not being killed by the Unsullied after they found out they killed their Queen, the breaker of chains.

Much of this season was illogical...I'm fine with unpredictable but it needs to be based on character traits and history.
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Arya basically became Jules from Pulp Fiction, leaving the assassin's life to roam the earth like Kwai Chang Caine [Kung Fu], having adventures and helping people.


I'd totally watch that

Especially if she has a wallet that says "Bad Mother Fucker" on it

Well played, but i prefer "Bad Mama Jama".
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.

I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.

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GoT has always been about "bad things happening to good people." A happy ending for the remaining characters was as anti-GoT as it comes. It was a ridiculous non-GoT way to end an otherwise great series.

I liked it. It brought the series full circle and, in a sense, was a reminder that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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My impression, as just a casual GoT watcher is that lots of GoT diehards are pissed because it feels like the last season or two were kind of just mailed in.

From the weak story lines, to the odd ending, even the Starbucks cup (and apparently a couple of visible plastic water bottles in the finale), it just feels careless.

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RandMart wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Arya basically became Jules from Pulp Fiction, leaving the assassin's life to roam the earth like Kwai Chang Caine [Kung Fu], having adventures and helping people.

I'd totally watch that

Especially if she has a wallet that says "Bad Mother Fucker" on it

Even better if Arya and Jules roam the earth together.
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.

I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more. I



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GoT has always been about "bad things happening to good people." A happy ending for the remaining characters was as anti-GoT as it comes. It was a ridiculous non-GoT way to end an otherwise great series.


I liked it. It brought the series full circle and, in a sense, was a reminder that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

It certainly departed from what we had witnessed in the prior 7 seasons.

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All fair points.

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fulla wrote:


Reason why Arya and her faces were not used was that with the death of the Night King, the era of man as opposed to magic was being ushered in. The whole Arya and many faces thing was about her finding her own place in the world, and her ending was satisfying in that respect.

GOT has always been about the shades of grey in the human condition. Humans can and do do 'illogical' things because we aren't black and white.

What is a 'logical' step? Was the killing of Ned Stark 'logical'? Most people thought he would be the main character throughout.

Ned Stark is a good example: GoT broke the mold and a huge reason it was as popular as it was is because it didn't use typical tv and movie programming logic of 'the good guys win'...it actually WAS logical that Ned would be killed, he was moral and trusting, and he was done in by those traits. The Lannister's were underhanded and calculating, they couldn't be trusted and yet he did. SAme with the Red Wedding: the Frey's were in league with the Lannisters and chose money over custom and morality.

What wasn't logical is Dany's quick turn to insanity. The number of main characters who stayed alive during the insane blitzkrieg on Winterfell, friggin Sam Tarly somehow lived through it! Or the prisoner Tyrion, who betrayed his queen and fucked up over and over again, somehow convincing the Lords of the seven kingdoms that Bran--the crippled kid who didn't say more than twenty words in the past few seasons--was the right choice as King. Jon not being killed by the Unsullied after they found out they killed their Queen, the breaker of chains.

Much of this season was illogical...I'm fine with unpredictable but it needs to be based on character traits and history.

You do realise that many people who go 'mad' etc do so in the heat of the moment? eg violent men who end up killing their partners, who have previously just psychologically abused them but then something happens and a switch is flicked and they kill. or there might have been a slow and steady escalation of physical violence. It's perfectly logical, as this is something that happens in 'real life'.
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Right...and people keep brushing off the fact that Jorah, Messandei, and one of her Dragons just died. Her most trusted allies were starting to rebel against her (Jon, Varys (who was trying to poison her) and Tyrion to a lesser extent)...and it was quite apparent that Sansa would never bend the knee to her.

Her world/support was crumbling down leaving her with nothing else but a Dothraki horde and the Unsullied. I can't imagine why she would crack.
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Right...and people keep brushing off the fact that Jorah, Messandei, and one of her Dragons just died. Her most trusted allies were starting to rebel against her (Jon, Varys (who was trying to poison her) and Tyrion to a lesser extent)...and it was quite apparent that Sansa would never bend the knee to her.

Her world/support was crumbling down leaving her with nothing else but a Dothraki horde and the Unsullied. I can't imagine why she would crack.

Neither can I.

What would have worked is if she broke bad. That's how she was written - a monarch with supreme control, the most power, and a bigger ego. She murdered slavers because they were slavers. She murdered nobles in Mareen because they stood in her way? She demanded fidelity from everyone she met. When she didn't get it, she'd burn you and your son.

Furthermore, the whole Targayren madness - i.e. her dad - wasn't "cracking", it was a slow decent into depravity. It was a decades long blossoming of pyromania - he was a kid who liked fire to a king who couldn't get it up if he wasn't watching someone burn to death.
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chriskal wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Arya basically became Jules from Pulp Fiction, leaving the assassin's life to roam the earth like Kwai Chang Caine [Kung Fu], having adventures and helping people.


I'd totally watch that

Especially if she has a wallet that says "Bad Mother Fucker" on it


Even better if Arya and Jules roam the earth together.

And she compliments Needle with a Hattori Hanzo sword

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The Ringer (which is owned in part by HBO) had a great series in the weeks leading up to this season about the loose ends from the previous seasons that they were hoping would be addressed in Season 8. They went back and did a scorecard of which loose ends were actually resolved and which ones should have been to make the final season more fluid:

https://www.theringer.com/...faceless-men-Catelyn

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Right...and people keep brushing off the fact that Jorah, Messandei, and one of her Dragons just died. Her most trusted allies were starting to rebel against her (Jon, Varys (who was trying to poison her) and Tyrion to a lesser extent)...and it was quite apparent that Sansa would never bend the knee to her.

Her world/support was crumbling down leaving her with nothing else but a Dothraki horde and the Unsullied. I can't imagine why she would crack.

But destroyed King's Landing made no sense. I could see her looking at the Red Keep, envisioning Cersie smugly looking upon her, and attacking the Keep, burning it to the ground. That would have made sense. But, she torched the town were all the civilians were. She did hit the Red Keep, but, she did not destroy it. Taking passes over the town and burning it just made no sense, regardless of whether she went mad. What was she trying to do, pull a Thanos?

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I still have some bitching to do and you were the last poster, so, I am simply responding to the last poster.

I'm going back to Arya again. According to the prophesy, she was going to close "many eyes" and that would include "brown eyes, blue eyes, and green eyes." So ... do we just ignore that claim? What was the purpose of that "nugget?"

As to the Unsullied - what the hell did they eat during the time King's Landing was surrounded? We had seen that the Northern Army was gathering food because winter was coming and they were concerned about having enough to eat. So, what did the Unsullied eat? What about the rest of the residents of Kings Landing? I don't think they were all killed.

Bran as king still makes no sense. None. SMDH.

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Outstanding!

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Thanks!
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I still have some bitching to do and you were the last poster, so, I am simply responding to the last poster.

I'm going back to Arya again. According to the prophesy, she was going to close "many eyes" and that would include "brown eyes, blue eyes, and green eyes." So ... do we just ignore that claim? What was the purpose of that "nugget?"

As to the Unsullied - what the hell did they eat during the time King's Landing was surrounded? We had seen that the Northern Army was gathering food because winter was coming and they were concerned about having enough to eat. So, what did the Unsullied eat? What about the rest of the residents of Kings Landing? I don't think they were all killed.

Bran as king still makes no sense. None. SMDH.

Obviously carrots, because they multiplied like rabbits.
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I still have some bitching to do and you were the last poster, so, I am simply responding to the last poster.

I'm going back to Arya again. According to the prophesy, she was going to close "many eyes" and that would include "brown eyes, blue eyes, and green eyes." So ... do we just ignore that claim? What was the purpose of that "nugget?"

As to the Unsullied - what the hell did they eat during the time King's Landing was surrounded? We had seen that the Northern Army was gathering food because winter was coming and they were concerned about having enough to eat. So, what did the Unsullied eat? What about the rest of the residents of Kings Landing? I don't think they were all killed.

Bran as king still makes no sense. None. SMDH.

Bran agrees, he originally thought it was a joke: https://www.superherohype.com/...s-finale-was-a-prank
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And she compliments Needle with a Hattori Hanzo sword

This is really getting good.



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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.

Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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I'll tell you what I told my Dad. Do you know what's realistic? Reality! And that's shits not interesting, which is why you get it for free!




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As to the Unsullied - what the hell did they eat during the time King's Landing was surrounded? We had seen that the Northern Army was gathering food because winter was coming and they were concerned about having enough to eat. So, what did the Unsullied eat? What about the rest of the residents of Kings Landing? I don't think they were all killed.

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j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.

Don't ruin Raiders for us ...

This was another clear case of the writers wanting to set up something special and then having to scrap it all to wrap up the series.

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I'll tell you what I told my Dad. Do you know what's realistic? Reality! And that's shits not interesting, which is why you get it for free!




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As to the Unsullied - what the hell did they eat during the time King's Landing was surrounded? We had seen that the Northern Army was gathering food because winter was coming and they were concerned about having enough to eat. So, what did the Unsullied eat? What about the rest of the residents of Kings Landing? I don't think they were all killed.


Touche!

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j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.

Let me guess, you've been watching The Big Bang Theory?

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j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.

The Ringer does a good job of ripping GOT on that and other iconic scenes that ultimately really had no impact on the ending: https://www.theringer.com/...ime-brienne-hardhome
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What if the Iron Throne is destroyed? What if Dany is killed and there is no successor to the Iron Throne? Instead of a monarchy, they turn into a Republic? All this turmoil and lives lost trying to get the throne and the throne is no more would be an interesting twist. Dany is killed and Drogon just flies off. With no Iron Throne, there is no push for Jon to stay and he goes back to the North. This is the end of the royal families.


Can see Westeros breaking up into separate kingdoms. Can't see them scrapping the idea of monarchs and royal families though - we've not even been shown a hint of any kind of movement for democracy or any other kind of method of choosing a ruler.

I do think that either Jon or possibly Tyrion is going to be sentenced to death by roasting and will emerge unscathed from the flames to prove their Targaryen heritage. GRRM may have claimed this was a one off in the books, but it's a trick that Daenerys has pulled off twice already in the show (once with the eggs, second time when she set fire to the Khals in season 6). Mind you, isn't the fact that Jon rode a dragon in the battle of Winterfell enough that his heritage should already have been common knowledge even before Sansa told Tyrion?


Ahem ...

Nailed it.

Yup, I'll give you that one! Sorry for late reply, been travelling and only just got to watch it so have been avoiding the internet...
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According to the prophesy, she was going to close "many eyes" and that would include "brown eyes, blue eyes, and green eyes." So ... do we just ignore that claim? What was the purpose of that "nugget?"

Melisandre: "Eyes you'll close forever - brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes"
GOT Fans: "Ooohhhh!!! This sounds good!!!"

< Cersei dies in the castle >


Mellsandre's Ghost: "Well, Danaerys has green eyes too! That's who I meant"
GOT Fans: "That works too!"

< Jon kills Danaerys >

Mellsandre's Ghost: "Two of of three ain't bad"
GOT Fans: "Fuck you"

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Maybe that's what the spinoff is for? ; )

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Maybe that's what the spinoff is for? ; )

You know, you are probably right. Quite possible the writers said, screw it, we will tie it in during the spinoff.

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j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.

It mattered. It closed something that never really made sense. Ned Stark having a bastard never seemed possible so Jon growing up a bastard as Ned couldn't reveal his real lineage made sense. Also, it helped establish Sam as a pretty intelligent guy since he confirmed the annulment and thus Jon's legitimate heir to the throne.
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GoT has always been about "bad things happening to good people." A happy ending for the remaining characters was as anti-GoT as it comes. It was a ridiculous non-GoT way to end an otherwise great series.

I would say it has been more about bad things happening to ALL people. Joffrey wasn't good people. Neither was Tywin Lannister. Or Dickon Tarley's dad. Littlefinger. Ramsey.

I think that bad things to good people just stood out more because it is so unexpected in the current entertainment climate. Everyone expects Disney endings. We expect the "good guys" to be the stars of the show. GoT did a good job of setting certain characters up for us to expect them to be the centrepiece of the show, when that was not the intent.

As for some of the other points (not just yours). I do think Arya's storyline was changed to set it up for a spinoff. Yes, it would have been cool to see a bit more of her stealing faces, but I think that storyline was more about her gaining fighting skills, as well as the skills to be "invisible", not actually invisible. She can go anywhere without being noticed. That allowed her to kill the Night King.

Jon's ending seemed somewhat fitting, although I sort of questioned why he told anyone he killed her. There was no one else there, and no body. His honesty got in the way again. It is surprising that they didn't kill him right away. My only thought is that the Unsullied are all about following orders, no matter what the order is. With Dany dead, there is no one to give that order. Jon going to the Wall makes sense, other than there is no Night's Watch left for him to join. So really, they were just banishing him to the north, where he will be the new King Beyond the Wall and eventually take on another Night King - type figure (spinoff #2).

Dany's switch to crazy bitch started several episodes earlier. Her issues getting Sansa and the North to support her was the start. Jon's new reluctance to be with her (likely due to their being related) added to it. And she said herself that she realized that the only way to get anyone to follow her was through fear. By wiping out Kings Landing, she creates fear through the rest of the 7 Kingdoms. But if she also destroyed the Red Keep, she would be destroying the Iron Throne which has been her ONLY goal for a long time. She needed it to be standing for her to be successful in her own mind. I also think that is why Drogon melted the throne: he saw it as the driving force that led to Dany's downfall and death. Jon didn't kill her, she caused her own death.

Bran's story would make more sense if he had been a bigger part of the story all along. It seemed off because he has been a secondary (or lower) character ever since the end of Season 1.

They really could have used another full season to wrap it up. Many of the storylines would have been better if fleshed out more. I am sure that Tyrion's speech would have made more sense if it was given, and the next episode had everyone agreeing with it after having time to consider it. Dany's craziness, while justified as having happened quick, could have been shown more thoroughly.

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TheRef65 wrote:
j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.


Let me guess, you've been watching The Big Bang Theory?

JSA told me i can't talk about that.

But were they wrong?

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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j p o wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.


Let me guess, you've been watching The Big Bang Theory?


JSA told me i can't talk about that.

But were they wrong?

Don't do it, dickhead!

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There are lots of people that did not like the end of MASH; my mom was one of them.

Shrug.
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j p o wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.


Let me guess, you've been watching The Big Bang Theory?


JSA told me i can't talk about that.

But were they wrong?

So you're JSA's bitch? ;-)

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JSA wrote:
j p o wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.


Let me guess, you've been watching The Big Bang Theory?


JSA told me i can't talk about that.

But were they wrong?


Don't do it, dickhead!

You're not the boss of jpo.

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TheRef65 wrote:
JSA wrote:
j p o wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.


Let me guess, you've been watching The Big Bang Theory?


JSA told me i can't talk about that.

But were they wrong?


Don't do it, dickhead!


You're not the boss of jpo.



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JSA wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
JSA wrote:
j p o wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.


Let me guess, you've been watching The Big Bang Theory?


JSA told me i can't talk about that.

But were they wrong?


Don't do it, dickhead!


You're not the boss of jpo.





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Right...and people keep brushing off the fact that Jorah, Messandei, and one of her Dragons just died. Her most trusted allies were starting to rebel against her (Jon, Varys (who was trying to poison her) and Tyrion to a lesser extent)...and it was quite apparent that Sansa would never bend the knee to her.

Her world/support was crumbling down leaving her with nothing else but a Dothraki horde and the Unsullied. I can't imagine why she would crack.

This is less a response directly to you and more of a general missive: I don't think she went mad or cracked. She made a rational, calculated decision (that's what she was doing when the shot lingered on her face while and after the bells were ringing). She had lost her support (i.e., "love") so she had to cement her position by doing something horrid (i.e., "fear"). In the Slave Cities, she had the love of the populace due to having freed them from slavery, but in the eyes of the Westerosi she was going to be just another nepotistic (is that a word?) successor to the throne. Maybe another way of saying it is that I didn't see her act as being sadistic for sadism's sake, like her father was.

So I don't think she went "mad" a la the Mad King. She just had no other tools left in her bag.

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I just wanted to add my disappointment in the limited amount of good nudity and sex scenes in the final season.
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There are lots of people that did not like the end of MASH; my mom was one of them.

Shrug.

The ending was fine; it just came too late [they should've killed it when Frank left, or when Radar started losing his hair - at the latest]

The show was on longer than the actual war was

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Suffer Well.
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I think Jon's secret mattered because if he wasn't related to Dany then they they wouldn't have had a wedge in their relationship. When Varys and Tyrion discussed marrying them they acknowledged that the force of her personality would have overpowered John and he would have followed her no matter what. As it was he was barely able to step up and kill her - if they would have still been fragging I don't think he would have been able to. Also, I doubt Drogon would have let anyone into the Red Keep that didn't have Targaryen blood.
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I think Jon's secret mattered because if he wasn't related to Dany then they they wouldn't have had a wedge in their relationship. When Varys and Tyrion discussed marrying them they acknowledged that the force of her personality would have overpowered John and he would have followed her no matter what. As it was he was barely able to step up and kill her - if they would have still been fragging I don't think he would have been able to. Also, I doubt Drogon would have let anyone into the Red Keep that didn't have Targaryen blood.

This, when he came out from under the ash, he eyed him and then let him pass. I don't think anyone else would have been able to enter.

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Your boy weighed in. He ain't wrong.

Aaron Rodgers blasts ā€˜Game of Thronesā€™ finale

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Were you satisfied with the ending of ā€œGame of Thrones?ā€

No. I love the show and it was a great 10 years, but no. You come down to the end and Tyrion says the person with the best story is Bran? Who, by the way, three episodes said he wasnā€™t Bran Stark anymore. No. Jon had a better story. Dany had a better story. Arya had a better story. Sansa had a better story. Tyrion had a better story. Varys had a better story. Bronn, a lot better story. Jaime, better story. Cersei, probably a better story. Any Baratheon, better story.

Who should have been on the throne?

I think Dany should have been on the throne. Hereā€™s the thing though. Hereā€™s my last theory about it. If Bran, the Three-Eyed Raven, whose all about the health of the realm. Letā€™s think about what he did. He basically wanted the throne the whole time because heā€™s the one who told the Starks, knowing that Sansa would tell Tyrion, knowing that Tyrion would talk to Varys, knowing that heā€™d scheme for Danyā€™s death, knowing that would piss her off, which led her to be the Mad Queen. So he, the entire time, set the whole thing up and then at the end goes ā€˜Oh yeah, I donā€™t want to be king. Oh, but why did I travel all this way to be here?ā€™ No. Look, I love the opportunity to be in the show, which most people probably donā€™t think I was, but I was there. I love the show, but the writers are also doing Star Wars, so I think they might have been a little busy.

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JSA wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
JSA wrote:
j p o wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.


Let me guess, you've been watching The Big Bang Theory?


JSA told me i can't talk about that.

But were they wrong?


Don't do it, dickhead!


You're not the boss of jpo.


Well see, in Raiders it doesn't really matter if Indy is there or not ...

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
JSA wrote:
j p o wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
BarryP wrote:
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In retrospect, the entire many faces story line was a complete waste of time.


I was entertained by it. and for that reason alone I don't feel like it was a waste of time.


I too found it entertaining, but, it added nothing. It was such a cool trait that could have been used more.


Well, if we are going there. What was the actual payoff for Jon being a Targaryen? Other than Varys backing him. But that could have just as easily been based on Jon being King of the North and thinking Daenerys would be bad.

For all the build up with Arya's and Jon's secrets, they really didn't matter at all.

Of course if we are doing that then we get into the fact that Indiana Jones actually was a side character in Raiders.


Let me guess, you've been watching The Big Bang Theory?


JSA told me i can't talk about that.

But were they wrong?


Don't do it, dickhead!


You're not the boss of jpo.




Well see, in Raiders it doesn't really matter if Indy is there or not ...




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chriskal wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Arya basically became Jules from Pulp Fiction, leaving the assassin's life to roam the earth like Kwai Chang Caine [Kung Fu], having adventures and helping people.


I'd totally watch that

Especially if she has a wallet that says "Bad Mother Fucker" on it


Even better if Arya and Jules roam the earth together.

And she compliments Needle with a Hattori Hanzo sword

I imagine at some point Winston Wolf would swoop in on Drogon (instead of an Acura) to be cool, and dispose of some bodies. Best cleaners in the world.
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And now they've gone and pissed off Khal Drogo...

https://www.usatoday.com/...th-scene/3765432002/
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Several reports saying there will be no Arya spinoff.

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I love that he calls her Baby. šŸ˜¬

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Several reports saying there will be no Arya spinoff.

Saw those too. Did you see the quotes? Basically an FU to the fan petition. Not going to let anyone but D & D work with the characters in GOT.
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JSA wrote:
Several reports saying there will be no Arya spinoff.


Saw those too. Did you see the quotes? Basically an FU to the fan petition. Not going to let anyone but D & D work with the characters in GOT.

Yep. The responses to the fan outrage have been quite confusing. I guess they realize they have a huge fan base that will eat whatever slop they decide to dole out.

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JSA wrote:
Several reports saying there will be no Arya spinoff.

Saw those too. Did you see the quotes? Basically an FU to the fan petition. Not going to let anyone but D & D work with the characters in GOT.

Til they need to generate some free cash flow
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JSA wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
JSA wrote:
Several reports saying there will be no Arya spinoff.


Saw those too. Did you see the quotes? Basically an FU to the fan petition. Not going to let anyone but D & D work with the characters in GOT.


Yep. The responses to the fan outrage have been quite confusing. I guess they realize they have a huge fan base that will eat whatever slop they decide to dole out.

Especially since some of the cast seem to be equally as frustrated with the last 2 seasons. I get it, the cast worked hard. And I am not blaming them nor do I think the petition is blaming them. They did the best with what they were given. Most were a bunch of nobodies when this started and they created indelible characters and some of the best TV ever acted. But that doesn't mean, as fans, we can't be upset with the way the showrunners shoehorned the conclusion of this epic into 13 episodes, at the expense of the story.
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Part of me wants to say that Tryrion played the game the best, and won.

Is Bran just a Manchurian candidate? At the first big meeting, he decides to just worg off and try to find Drogon? Leaving Tyrion to run everything as the Hand.

It's very Lannister of him. Tywin put Robert Baratheon on the throne instead of himself.

He knew he wasn't going anywhere as a Lannister. He wasn't even going to get Casterly Rock. So he kills his father, hitches his wagon to Dany to defeat everyone else

He lets Jamie go get killed with Cersie.

He l spreads the info about Jon so that Dany will turn on him.

He turns on Varys when he turns on Dany, but then turns on Dany also.
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Several reports saying there will be no Arya spinoff.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/...eries-finale-1212749

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chriskal wrote:
RandMart wrote:
chriskal wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Arya basically became Jules from Pulp Fiction, leaving the assassin's life to roam the earth like Kwai Chang Caine [Kung Fu], having adventures and helping people.


I'd totally watch that

Especially if she has a wallet that says "Bad Mother Fucker" on it


Even better if Arya and Jules roam the earth together.


And she compliments Needle with a Hattori Hanzo sword


I imagine at some point Winston Wolf would swoop in on Drogon (instead of an Acura) to be cool, and dispose of some bodies. Best cleaners in the world.

"That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten."

Now we know how

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Part of me wants to say that Tryrion played the game the best, and won.

Is Bran just a Manchurian candidate? At the first big meeting, he decides to just worg off and try to find Drogon? Leaving Tyrion to run everything as the Hand.

It's very Lannister of him. Tywin put Robert Baratheon on the throne instead of himself.

He knew he wasn't going anywhere as a Lannister. He wasn't even going to get Casterly Rock. So he kills his father, hitches his wagon to Dany to defeat everyone else

He lets Jamie go get killed with Cersie.

He l spreads the info about Jon so that Dany will turn on him.

He turns on Varys when he turns on Dany, but then turns on Dany also.

That actually would have been a good line for them to take if they had intended it.

He gets named as the hand by saying how much he doesn't want it.

The imp Lannister came out on top. He gets Casterly Rock now as the last Tywin heir standing. And as hand instead of king he doesn't have to lose his head if the regime changes.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Damn, that's better than the actual episode. Music fits well too.
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"The Last Watch, Making of season 8" was pretty good, if a bit long. Showed the behind the scenes stuff, the logistics involved in making an episode were amazing.
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My favorite part was the first script read-through when Kit Harrington realized that Jon kills Dany - the shock/surprised reaction showed that he hadn't yet read the script and the smirk from Sophie Turner sitting next to him showed that she had.

What was even more interesting though was the read-through revealed that Jon killing Dany was how the show was initially supposed to end (likely GRRM's third "holy shit" moment) - so everything that wound up coming after that in the final episode was added to the story. I think the ending would have worked better if they did close with Jon killing Dany, avoiding the clunkiness that came with the council in the dragon pit and then the small council meeting.

It was good to see the crew get the majority of the attention in this episode, shows how hard it is to pull off such an epic show.



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My favorite part was the first script read-through when Kit Harrington realized that Jon kills Dany - the shock/surprised reaction showed that he hadn't yet read the script and the smirk from Sophie Turner sitting next to him showed that she had.

Emilia Clarke, too, as she kinda slunks down in her chair with a "yeah, ya did" look on her face, in reply to Kit's "did I just do that?"

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I liked seeing what happened to everyone.

Maybe they should have ended with Jon killing Danny, and then do that 80s montage thing where they say what happens to everyone? ;)


Honestly, I think one of my favorite scenes was the look on Danny's face when she dies. I thought it was very well acted, but it was that look of satisfaction. Like she was ready to die, almost happy that its all over, knowing that she got her throne.

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Maybe they should have ended with Jon killing Danny, and then do that 80s montage thing where they say what happens to everyone? ;)

Yup, something along the lines of "Senator and Mrs. Blutarsky" or "Saves Brooke Shields from drowning; blows reward money having Van Halen play at his birthday party". They could have had some fun with that. : D



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Brian in MA wrote:
Maybe they should have ended with Jon killing Danny, and then do that 80s montage thing where they say what happens to everyone? ;)

Yup, something along the lines of "Senator and Mrs. Blutarsky" or "Saves Brooke Shields from drowning; blows reward money having Van Halen play at his birthday party". They could have had some fun with that. : D

I was looking for the montage of Tyrion actually directing everything while acting like he didn't know what was going on. More Ocean's 11 style.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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BarryP wrote:
Maybe they should have ended with Jon killing Danny, and then do that 80s montage thing where they say what happens to everyone? ;)
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Brian in MA wrote:
Maybe they should have ended with Jon killing Danny, and then do that 80s montage thing where they say what happens to everyone? ;)

Yup, something along the lines of "Senator and Mrs. Blutarsky" or "Saves Brooke Shields from drowning; blows reward money having Van Halen play at his birthday party". They could have had some fun with that. : D


I was looking for the montage of Tyrion actually directing everything while acting like he didn't know what was going on. More Ocean's 11 style.

Or directing - with a chair and everything - like the end of Get Shorty

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