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It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx
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Looking at this men’s field for ironman Texas it is stacked. https://www.instagram.com/...;igshid=isyzhuz9o6h3

Yet Ironman Australia the same weekend or weekend after has no starts at all. It would be an easy kona qualify for some guys in the Texas start list.

Hence it seems that these guys are after the big money at Texas rather than the absolutely disgraceful money at ironman Australia.



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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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Everyone’s gotta eat.
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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... or it could be that there are 3 (and possibly 4) times as many Kona slots on offer at Texas compared to Australia.

Texas has 2 male slots plus 2 "floating" slots (at least one of which will go to the men).

Australia has 1 male slot and no "floating" slots.

Nearly quadruple the prize money doesn't hurt either.

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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Travel is probably easier also.

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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [JackStraw13] [ In reply to ]
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JackStraw13 wrote:
Travel is probably easier also.

That's certainly true for the US and South American athletes but there are quite a few Euro's on the start list as well. I'm not sure what the travel logistics are like to Australia compared to the US for a Euro athlete.
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [logella] [ In reply to ]
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logella wrote:
JackStraw13 wrote:
There are quite a few Euro's on the start list as well. I'm not sure what the travel logistics are like to Australia compared to the US for a Euro athlete.

Twice as expensive, and nearly twice as long to get there.

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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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X2, my guess is that getting to Kona is less of a crap shoot at IM Texas. Frankly the smaller the race, the smaller the field, you never know what is going to happen. You put all your eggs in one basket and someone better shows up and you are hosed. Both systems (Kona slots at races vs KPR) have their strengths and weaknesses.

What is interesting is that Starky is #40 which means he was either a very late entry, or somehow he was overlooked.


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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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If IM isn't covering travel costs to OZ, you have to place top four (or higher) to cover costs from anywhere but OZ/NZ/Asia. Makes sense to have lower travel cost and higher upside.

I'm surprised you think the Texas field is stacked. Who do you think has a legit chance to ever place top five at Worlds? I see one guy who could do it.
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I thought I Lionel was racing it, but I don't see his name there...
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [JBell] [ In reply to ]
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Brad Culp said on twitter he is out...

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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, that's crazy. I did not see that coming, as I honestly didn't think he was injured that badly and missed Oceanside to be cautious for IMTX. I wonder if he's going to have to race more IMs now to get points? This could be interesting...
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [oprfcc] [ In reply to ]
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I'm surprised you think the Texas field is stacked. //

I agree, it is a large field, but stacked? There are a couple guys that have a shot at top 10 in Kona, and unfortunately for them, they probably aren't the ones going to do well here at TX. Starky seems to be on good form, but he will need the weather to cooperate for him to last 8 hours and hold off a bunch running low 2;40's. Sounds like there are going to at least make the bike course the legit distance, so he has that going for him...


Up until the past year or two, oceanside last week would have a field 3 times as "stacked".... (-;
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [JBell] [ In reply to ]
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No points this year. Just gotta win
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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Ah, that's right! I guess that makes things a bit easier for him. Question is, will he "cherry pick" an easy one or try and run up against other top contenders to "test him self / make a statement".
I'm bummed he's not at IMTX... It's been a long time since he's raced, and I was looking forward to seeing how well he'd go.. Or blow up ;)
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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Most private races in Australia has very few international athletes unless they are doing their winter training there, I believe theres a 50% withholding tax on the prize, at least that was when I was told back when I was racing internationally, I´m not sure about the tax for locals. For the ITU events, athletes aren´t chasing the cash, but points, and the local federations usually pay for their expenses.

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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [vinnie] [ In reply to ]
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vinnie wrote:
Most private races in Australia has very few international athletes unless they are doing their winter training there, I believe theres a 50% withholding tax on the prize, at least that was when I was told back when I was racing internationally, I´m not sure about the tax for locals. For the ITU events, athletes aren´t chasing the cash, but points, and the local federations usually pay for their expenses.

It’s not winter yet. And race day will be above 29c.

All winnings in Australia are Tax free.



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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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Australia start list isn't finalized, more names could pop up.

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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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Because there's more slots at this race, maths not that hard.

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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Looking at all of Lionel's races over the last 3 years, he only races if he believes he will WIN.

I know all professionals have the goal to win but Lionel will only race if he is the favorite to win (other than Kona)

He wouldn't win IMTX

He would however win Ironman Australia. That start list is basically all B level professionals whereas Lionel is a A level professional.



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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Easier timezone adjustment for Euros, going West takes like half the time to adjust
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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I don't necessarily disagree but at the same time there is no reason he can't win IMTX. Lionel's engine on the bike is considerably larger than everyone else and theoretically there is no reason he can't run with the likes of Hanson/Lange. Regardless, I already saw this last year with a few pros sneaking into Kona already that maybe wouldn't have made it under the KPR system ironically enough. That means a few people who should be there are probably not going to make it. The time is ticking. Regardless, I still have no idea how serious the issue is. It was the sciatic nerve? If that really is true, who knows, something like that can be tricky.


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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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He would however win Ironman Australia. That start list is basically all B level professionals whereas Lionel is a A level professional.

If you consider a recent 70.3 World champion a B level pro (at Ironman) then I agree with you.
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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PJC wrote:
vinnie wrote:

Most private races in Australia has very few international athletes unless they are doing their winter training there, I believe theres a 50% withholding tax on the prize, at least that was when I was told back when I was racing internationally, I´m not sure about the tax for locals. For the ITU events, athletes aren´t chasing the cash, but points, and the local federations usually pay for their expenses.


It’s not winter yet. And race day will be above 29c.

All winnings in Australia are Tax free.

I meant winter for European and American athletes.

Re Taxes - Im not expert on Oz laws, but I wouldnt be surprised if they hold 32.5% according to the below if you are a foreigner

https://www.ato.gov.au/...ntorsportsactivities

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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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PJC wrote:
Looking at this men’s field for ironman Texas it is stacked. https://www.instagram.com/...;igshid=isyzhuz9o6h3

Yet Ironman Australia the same weekend or weekend after has no starts at all. It would be an easy kona qualify for some guys in the Texas start list.

Hence it seems that these guys are after the big money at Texas rather than the absolutely disgraceful money at ironman Australia.

What is unclear about the meaning of the word Professional?
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [logella] [ In reply to ]
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logella wrote:
JackStraw13 wrote:
Travel is probably easier also.


That's certainly true for the US and South American athletes but there are quite a few Euro's on the start list as well. I'm not sure what the travel logistics are like to Australia compared to the US for a Euro athlete.

Texas from Europe is easier....also 7 hour time zone moving west (sleep in before your big race)....vs 6ish time zone going east and a much longer flight...and you are doing the start of the race in the middle of your REM sleep which just sucks if you are trying to do pro level performance. Texas from Europe is a much better "in and out" performance oriented trip. If you go to Aus from Europe, then may as well spend a longer time there to get the body adjusted, but time away from home costs $$$ and $$$ is what pro triathletes don't generally have!
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [logella] [ In reply to ]
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logella wrote:
... or it could be that there are 3 (and possibly 4) times as many Kona slots on offer at Texas compared to Australia.

Texas has 2 male slots plus 2 "floating" slots (at least one of which will go to the men).

Australia has 1 male slot and no "floating" slots.

Nearly quadruple the prize money doesn't hurt either.

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Without doing the research myself where did you come up with those figures for slots? It was my understanding that Cairns is an Oceanian championship and had the extra slots?
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [Shambolic] [ In reply to ]
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Shambolic wrote:
logella wrote:
... or it could be that there are 3 (and possibly 4) times as many Kona slots on offer at Texas compared to Australia.

Texas has 2 male slots plus 2 "floating" slots (at least one of which will go to the men).

Australia has 1 male slot and no "floating" slots.

Nearly quadruple the prize money doesn't hurt either.

https://www.trirating.com/kona-2019/
Without doing the research myself where did you come up with those figures for slots? It was my understanding that Cairns is an Oceanian championship and had the extra slots?

IM Australia and IM Cairns are two completely different races.

Australia only has 1 slot for male and female. Cairns has the same slots as Texas but is a month later.

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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [Shambolic] [ In reply to ]
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It’s in the link I provided.
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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PJC wrote:
Hence it seems that these guys are after the big money at Texas rather than the absolutely disgraceful money at ironman Australia.

For many pros, chasing kona is a horrible business decision. Maybe more are realizing that?
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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PJC wrote:
It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots.


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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [triguy86] [ In reply to ]
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triguy86 wrote:
PJC wrote:
Hence it seems that these guys are after the big money at Texas rather than the absolutely disgraceful money at ironman Australia.

For many pros, chasing kona is a horrible business decision. Maybe more are realizing that?

I agree it can be. But it is als9 a good window for potential new sponsors etc.
I get the whole pros need money to stay pros etc. But we are in a sport where there is very little money, so teying to get rich off tri seems impossible, so it shouæd be all about getting a wc before retiring. But yes, for up amd comming/people who know they cant make it into the money in hawaii it can make sense to skip.
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [Diabolo] [ In reply to ]
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Diabolo wrote:
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He would however win Ironman Australia. That start list is basically all B level professionals whereas Lionel is a A level professional.

If you consider a recent 70.3 World champion a B level pro (at Ironman) then I agree with you.
In an interview with former world champ he said his 3 kids have made training difficult.
Either way Lionel would beat him over an Ironman.

Re Lionel at Texas the bike is easy and fast. He needs to go to a harder bike course to make more time up.



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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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Disagree it should be all about kona. I think it should only be about kona for like 10 men and a few women. Most of the kona field has no shot of winning kona. And getting 15-20 does very little for sponsorships. Also keep in mind that many pros get no actual funding from sponsors. Simply gear.
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Sciatic: I’m no doctor but did have sciatic issues and it was a good 3 months before I was back to normal. And that was after I tried to “fix it” and still maintain fitness. Unfortunately for me I found you can’t do both. I couldn’t really do anything but the exercises for it and stop the running on it. If I tried running it just remained a serious issue (weird issue too, as it is 1/4 pain, 1/4 weird feeling, and 1/2 my leg not working right). As hard as LS goes he might have really dug a deep hole on this. I’d guess he’ll “push through” when it feels a little bit better, but then will shit it down to fix it. It really is a debilitating injury.
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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Or at IMTx just podium.

I am wondering if slots roll down like they do in the age group race. Weiss, Hanson, Starky have already qualified.
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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God I hope they are!!
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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
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ajthomas wrote:
Or at IMTx just podium.

I am wondering if slots roll down like they do in the age group race. Weiss, Hanson, Starky have already qualified.

Yes they roll.

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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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Is this Ironman #3 so far this season for Weiss?

I’m looking forward to seeing how Mendez-Cruz does. Just 23 years young. Anyone know what happened to him in Cozumel? First out of of the water and was still in the top 10 for the first few miles of the run but then dnf’d.

Should be an interesting race. Lots of evenly matched guys.

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Re: It seems pros are chasing money not kona spots. Imtx [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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So the start list was posted, certainly not stacked but Tim Reed vs. Cam Wurf makes it interesting, the other guys on the list probably don't have a shot unless both have a bad day. This is to say, you cried too soon, there will be a race.

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