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Unfortunately sanders won’t be racing in Oceanside.https://www.instagram.com/...igshid=14zdx6778lmyv
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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Pro tri news with a ripped of ESPN looking logo? lol

Is this your doing?
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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Well, that sucks
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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Sanders says - " I stepped funny on a run last week and aggravated my sciatic nerve. "

Did Frodo injure his sciatic nerve?

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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Well it's not live anyway, so no biggie, I wouldn't have seen it. Sciatica pain sucks!
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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I see what you did there :) but if Lionel moves to Girona and starts to post sunset pictures and talk about staying positive through injury then it's on.
Frodo had some kind of hip stress fracture but close.

JasoninHalifax wrote:
Sanders says - " I stepped funny on a run last week and aggravated my sciatic nerve. "
Did Frodo injure his sciatic nerve?

What's your CdA?
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [trailerhouse] [ In reply to ]
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i’m saying a late april fools joke.

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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Booooooooo Booooo

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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Now officially shared on Facebook. So it's real
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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I thought I has seen that he was racing st George but he's not on the start list yet. Can we expect him there?

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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Man, Wurf never misses a chance to throw some shade in LS's direction!
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure if the turnaround after IM Texas would be too quick for St. George.

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]
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what did I miss?
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [mauricemaher] [ In reply to ]
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Wurf replied with "#nolimits" and the eyes-rolling emoji.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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This opens up the race for the taking. My money is still on Kanute, though.

What do you guys think? I have:

1.- Kanute
2.- Bowden
3.- Appleton
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [TulkasTri] [ In reply to ]
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1. Kanute
2. Von Berg
3. Lagerstrom
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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What if Lionel DOES NOT qualify for Kona??? Does he have point in the bank already?
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [bullmoose] [ In reply to ]
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1. Kanute
2. Von Berg
3. Lagerstrom
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [thatzone] [ In reply to ]
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thatzone wrote:
What if Lionel DOES NOT qualify for Kona??? Does he have point in the bank already?

No points this year- win or go home :-)
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]
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eye roll emoji is 🙄

He used 🤔 fingers on chin, raised eyebrow emoji which is more of a deeep thought emoji

đź’©

mbwallis wrote:
Wurf replied with "#nolimits" and the eyes-rolling emoji.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]
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mbwallis wrote:
Wurf replied with "#nolimits" and the eyes-rolling emoji.

I actually think it was okay banter.
It is a bit funny to write "nolimits" as a insta hashtag as Lionel did and then at the same time pull out of the race.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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The hash tag was behind wishing the other competitors a good race
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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protrinews is clearly not pro tri news
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [dand] [ In reply to ]
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?
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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Haha ok. With my eyes, all emojis involving a face look the same when viewed on my phone.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Alfredo] [ In reply to ]
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Alfredo wrote:
1. Kanute
2. Von Berg
3. Lagerstrom


Bowden won 70.3 Dubai
Kanute, Lagerstrom, Von Berg looks in good shape
Appleton ?

Difficult to find the winner :-)

Personal preference for Lagerstrom
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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kind of late for this one but on my opinion after Frodeno drops out he was already looking to another race!

It was never Oceanside, it was always Frodo!
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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Totally agree. Bowden will most definitely be in the mix. It's any one's race! Gonna be awesome!
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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I cant ever tell with his posts. I responded to that comment about if he entered he would automatically be a position higher now and he responded back humbly saying his ass would be handed to him in that race either way.

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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I have a feeling that the top 3 run splits will win this race. I don't see a lot of separation happening on the swim/bike.

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]
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turdburgler wrote:
Pro tri news with a ripped of ESPN looking logo? lol

Is this your doing?

This is the first thing I thought of when I saw that account. I have a feeling it's going to be a very LS focused account.
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Crappy news, from Facebook:
Sorry for the silence. It has taken me quite a while to get some definite answers. After 3 weeks of trying different healing modalities with no success, for what I thought to be a nerve impingement, I finally went to see a sports doctor. Though the symptoms weren’t indicating a fracture, he ordered an MRI to rule it out 100%. Sadly the MRI came back positive for a sacral fracture. On March 19th I did a brick workout where my glute started to hurt. I didn’t do a warmup for the run portion, and figured I had stepped a little funny and aggravated my sciatic nerve. Three weeks of rest, massages, physical therapy and though it was getting better, it was still too painful to run. I got the MRI back and called my mom to tell her the news and she asked me if I had fallen. This then reminded me that on my bike workout on March 18th I rode up to a water fountain and tried to be cool and balance at the fountain while taking a drink. I lost my balance and fell over directly onto my hip/butt, without having time to unclip. The embarrassment was far greater than any pain, so I immediately got back onto my bike and rode away. The next day I became symptomatic. The doctor thinks the bone was likely already weakened to fracture under this sort of trauma. Then the next couple of day’s training took it completely over the edge. Unfortunately, I am off running for 9-12 weeks. There is always a silver lining though, and I will take this time to work hard on my swim, and other deficiencies that could have contributed to this injury. We plan to document the whole process. You can mark my words that on the other side of this thing, I will be a stronger and better athlete. I want to sincerely thank all of my friends, family and sponsors who have been incredibly supportive in what has been a tough last couple of weeks.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [re-fresh] [ In reply to ]
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I saw this as well. Oh man, that sucks for LS. I wonder what that portends for the remainder of the season for him. 9-12 weeks of no running, may mean 2019 is written off.

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [re-fresh] [ In reply to ]
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re-fresh wrote:
Crappy news, from Facebook:
Sorry for the silence. It has taken me quite a while to get some definite answers. After 3 weeks of trying different healing modalities with no success, for what I thought to be a nerve impingement, I finally went to see a sports doctor. Though the symptoms weren’t indicating a fracture, he ordered an MRI to rule it out 100%. Sadly the MRI came back positive for a sacral fracture. On March 19th I did a brick workout where my glute started to hurt. I didn’t do a warmup for the run portion, and figured I had stepped a little funny and aggravated my sciatic nerve. Three weeks of rest, massages, physical therapy and though it was getting better, it was still too painful to run. I got the MRI back and called my mom to tell her the news and she asked me if I had fallen. This then reminded me that on my bike workout on March 18th I rode up to a water fountain and tried to be cool and balance at the fountain while taking a drink. I lost my balance and fell over directly onto my hip/butt, without having time to unclip. The embarrassment was far greater than any pain, so I immediately got back onto my bike and rode away. The next day I became symptomatic. The doctor thinks the bone was likely already weakened to fracture under this sort of trauma. Then the next couple of day’s training took it completely over the edge. Unfortunately, I am off running for 9-12 weeks. There is always a silver lining though, and I will take this time to work hard on my swim, and other deficiencies that could have contributed to this injury. We plan to document the whole process. You can mark my words that on the other side of this thing, I will be a stronger and better athlete. I want to sincerely thank all of my friends, family and sponsors who have been incredibly supportive in what has been a tough last couple of weeks.
#nolimits @ Tucson, Arizona

Sanders - "Hey, Frodo fractured his hip, so....."

In all seriousness, that sucks, wish him a speedy recovery.

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [tinman] [ In reply to ]
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It might. 9-12 weeks brings him to early July. At best he could be ready for IMMT but that would be rushing it . Frodo still isn't back from his sacral stress fracture. Ben Hoffman took longer than 9-12 weeks off from his so he could heal properly.
All we can do is wish Lionel the best and a full recovery. Not easy being a pro athlete in the spotlight.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Scotthb] [ In reply to ]
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Scotthb wrote:
Ben Hoffman took longer than 9-12 weeks off from his so he could heal properly.

and he was almost literally sedentary during that time. unlike what LS sounds like he plans to be.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [FaKaspar] [ In reply to ]
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FaKaspar wrote:
kind of late for this one but on my opinion after Frodeno drops out he was already looking to another race!

It was never Oceanside, it was always Frodo!

Well.....looks like I have to apologize to Lionel right! I was completely wrong on my last statement.

9 to 12 weeks at this time of the year having not yet a spot for Kona is a bummer! I really like LS and what he brings to the sport and would hate to see him out of Kona!!!!

Also it is a remind to all of us, age groupers and professionals, how a silly think can jeopardize a lot of work!

Hope he can recover well and stay in shape!
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [re-fresh] [ In reply to ]
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Read that earlier, that sucks a whole lot.

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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Tim Don and Matt Russel came back strong although their injuries were worse than LS's. I'm sure he will come back strong. There's no way he will be out of Kona. He will make it happen!!!
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [s13tx] [ In reply to ]
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Do you think he shows up to Kona if he knows he won't be competing for the win? I find it hard to believe he'd be willing to go through that again.
That said I have zero knowledge of how long something like this takes to heal I know they said 9 to 12 weeks but then how long to get back fitness he's lost.

Also do we know what side it is could it have something to do with the hitch in his giddyup when he runs. Not saying it was the cause but it would be interesting to know.. correlation does not mean cause but makes you think.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [s13tx] [ In reply to ]
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Jan goes vegan, Sanders follows.

Jan goes to Canyon, Sanders follows.

Jan fractures sacrum, Sanders "hold my beer".

In all seriousness as unfortunate as it is, this is tough. Sacral fractures can be extremely hard to recover from and can be prone to re-injury. I have seen 2 friends who had sacral fractures never truly really heal. One friend has 3 more over the next handful of years, running has been his biggest challenge since.

Not sure what side the fracture is on for Sanders, but with his hitch that constant torque presented in that area might have finally caught up to him.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Are you saying this is the year Lionel wins Kona?

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I love messing with you Thomas.

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [s13tx] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think we can make this assumption about whose injuries are worse. Certainly Matt's injury and Tim's injury looked more gruesome than a sacral fracture but we don't really know. Little things that affect posture, symmetry, and ultimately balances/imbalances can be series of chain events wrecking havoc on an athlete's ability to bounce back.

FWIW, I was watching a Lionel video last night while eating dinner and it just reminded of how much I like the guy. But he has also admitted that he has had a problem with substance abuse. For that reason I have always looked at Lionel being Lionel's worst enemy and somewhat replacing one addiction for another. Having lived with many professional athletes and dated some I do think I have a keen understanding of elite athletes, their mindsets, their struggles. Watching the recent videos, he looks beaten up, worn down, and now is going to have stay down. It is only March when this happened. A comeback certainly won't be easy, and as much as the physical component will be a challenge for Lionel, I think the more difficult challenge will be the mental/psychological aspect. In addition, in his lastest videos he already talks about how he is not recovering in general like he used to. That was always one of Lionel's greatest weapon according to Barrie Shipley. That can be an addition to the mental roadblock he might have to cope with.

Looking forward, I would never bet against Lionel as I know he uses this as fuel to be better. And I know he values feedback even if he doesn't take it to heart. And fwiw, I consider a Lionel a friend and I hope he would consider me to be one, but then again I am known for being very blunt. If I was him I would take this extremely seriously as I could see it as a career ending injury. But it could also be the fuel to take him to the next level.

Has Lionel already qualified for Kona? If not I would just pass on Hawaii this year. He is still young, no need to rush the process.


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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder if his running hitch possibly caused some of the additional stress to the area from everything pulling wrong.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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I posed the same question earlier today.
Does anyone know where Jan is in his recovery.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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He hasn't qualified yet. This injury certainly puts Kona in jeopardy. I tend to agree with you, that he should strongly consider skipping it, as even IF he could get to the start line of Kona, it certainly wouldn't be as his "best self".
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
But he has also admitted that he has had a problem with substance abuse. For that reason I have always looked at Lionel being Lionel's worst enemy and somewhat replacing one addiction for another.

I believe he's actually said he's replacing addictions in the past, and it is the first thing I thought about as well. As someone who has struggled with issues surrounding alcohol, and as someone who is replacing one behavior with another, I can say my biggest fear is this kind of injury. That specifically is likely why he's going to try and swim through it rather than complete rest (my assumption). The thought of doing nothing with all of that time spent training is terrifying to me, and id do exactly the same. I truly wish him the best - even if I'm off base with what I typed.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Fishbum wrote:
I posed the same question earlier today.
Does anyone know where Jan is in his recovery.

Well I went back and looked at his instagram. Apparently he was catching air mountain biking back in December. That can't exactly be great even if cycling is weight bearing.


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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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Grant.Reuter wrote:
I wonder if his running hitch possibly caused some of the additional stress to the area from everything pulling wrong.

Or vice versa? Was stress in the area the cause of his hitch?

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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Grant.Reuter wrote:
I wonder if his running hitch possibly caused some of the additional stress to the area from everything pulling wrong.

The hitch can not be good over the long haul. Listen, I have an ugly stride and no where near the engine Lionel has but hitches like that just compound over years, reducing running economy, increasing injury, and leading to possible further imbalances. Maybe this ends up being a blessing in disguise.


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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I said it on LS's FB page when he announced pulling out of Oceanside: there is a fine line as an elite athlete on producing the best you, and going to far and getting hurt. I wish I could say I'm shocked he got hurt, but i'm not. He really does go balls to the wall 100% of the time (or so it seems). That is just hard on a body, not to mention any other outside stresses. Injuries happen, and hopefully he takes the time to recover and comes back. My advice from a wornout hockey player who is falling to pieces now: take all the time it requires to be 100% healthy. If you rush it, you will regret it.

Mentally I believe this to be his biggest challenge. IT IS HIS LIFE, and now he has to fill that void. I know what I feel like when I miss a gym session or a run, and I remember what I went through when I had an injury.... Mentally it'll be toughest.

More time for some golf (hopefully).
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Fishbum wrote:
I posed the same question earlier today.
Does anyone know where Jan is in his recovery.

jan is fine.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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We've Reached Decon 1!! Approaching 10 full days without a Lionel Sanders thread on the front page of Slowtwitch. I repeat - we've Reached Defcon 1!!

TALBOT WE NEED A GET WELL LIONEL VIDEO!! Even if it's throwaway footage from years past! It might cheer Lionel up, too.

I genuinely think we should create a giant cyber Get Well card on google docs, or some similar site, that we can all sign and wish him a Speedy Recovery!! Professional Triathlon coverage is going to be a lot more boring without the Colonel!!
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [BT_DreamChaser] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks man for the support.

I can tell you he has been pretty bummed. Not only mentioned on the thread but also put a holt to any YouTube videos. Makes me really sad.

I have not seen him since the Texas announcement and we have nothing planned to see each other anytime soon. Hopefully we can get at least an update or something to you guys. If any of you know Lionel you know he loves to race and he loves to race a lot. I can only imagine what he is going though. Not only not being able to race but not even train. The guy is addicted to this just like we are. We can only send him our love and best wishes. You’re right keep him motivated and inspired during this hard time.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [907Tri] [ In reply to ]
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907Tri wrote:
Jan goes vegan, Sanders follows.

Jan goes to Canyon, Sanders follows.

Jan fractures sacrum, Sanders "hold my beer".

In all seriousness as unfortunate as it is, this is tough. Sacral fractures can be extremely hard to recover from and can be prone to re-injury. I have seen 2 friends who had sacral fractures never truly really heal. One friend has 3 more over the next handful of years, running has been his biggest challenge since.

Not sure what side the fracture is on for Sanders, but with his hitch that constant torque presented in that area might have finally caught up to him.

Before two years ago I had never heard of sacral insufficiency fractures. Is this that part that fractures when everything else is so durable that it does not? Generally speaking how solid a diagnosis is this most of the time? Any orthos, sportsmeds docs that can chime in on this?

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talbotcox wrote:
Thanks man for the support.

I can tell you he has been pretty bummed. Not only mentioned on the thread but also put a holt to any YouTube videos. Makes me really sad.

I have not seen him since the Texas announcement and we have nothing planned to see each other anytime soon. Hopefully we can get at least an update or something to you guys. If any of you know Lionel you know he loves to race and he loves to race a lot. I can only imagine what he is going though. Not only not being able to race but not even train. The guy is addicted to this just like we are. We can only send him our love and best wishes. You’re right keep him motivated and inspired during this hard time.

We've discussed this on other threads and considering he is likely depressed because he can't train/race, its a perfect time to talk about it again. Lionel has an addictive personality and triathlon is just a bandaid for his actual addiction. The guy likely needs real help (therapy, etc.).

This is not pink and this is not me being a negative troll online. I'm dead serious. I wish him the best.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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If any of you know Lionel you know he loves to race and he loves to race a lot. I can only imagine what he is going though. Not only not being able to race but not even train. The guy is addicted to this just like we are. We can only send him our love and best wishes. You’re right keep him motivated and inspired during this hard time.


It's one of Lionel's strengths - his extraordinary durability.

In 8+ years, he's had very little if any down-time to traditional injury. To do well at a sport like triathlon particularly, the long distance events, being durable is absolutely key! Some are and some are not - It's why you see some rocket up the rankings, and then all but disappear, while others, and Lionel is a great example of this, are always there and in the hunt!

I'm assuming of course that Lionel's sacral issues are from the trauma of the tumble he took off the bike, and not from training, per say.

He will be back - in fact, this may be a blessing. It's a long tough racing season that now stretches almost 10+ months of the year for the top Pros. Being super-fit and fast NOW, might actually be more of a concern - We all know that October is when you need to be at your best!


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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [BrentwoodTriGuy] [ In reply to ]
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Eh might be looking a tad bit to far. He is a professional athlete. I think anyone who can’t compete in their profession will get pretty depressed or down if they can’t do that. A relapse would be the last thing on his mind. Knowing Lionel he is sitting back and journaling every move he made and figuring out how to come back and be the best. I think there would actually be a problem if he wasn’t depressed or down that he was injured. That’s when you would need to take a step back and decide if you should even be racing professionally.

Sebastian is about to put out a video over his most recent injury. Because he was depressed and questioned retirement. Does that mean he needs to get therapy? No it means that he is a strong hearted athlete and has passion for what he does.

I recently had to serve a one year media ban from WTC events. I was most certainly depressed some nights and cried myself to sleep. Because I could not do or have access to something I was extremely passionate about. That doesn’t mean that I need therapy or counseling. Lol
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I recently had to serve a one year media ban from WTC events.

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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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Please tell us more that sounds interesting!
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [Cookiebuilder] [ In reply to ]
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Cookiebuilder wrote:
Please tell us more that sounds interesting!

Yup start a new thread though
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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talbotcox wrote:
Thanks man for the support.

I can tell you he has been pretty bummed. Not only mentioned on the thread but also put a holt to any YouTube videos. Makes me really sad.

I have not seen him since the Texas announcement and we have nothing planned to see each other anytime soon. Hopefully we can get at least an update or something to you guys. If any of you know Lionel you know he loves to race and he loves to race a lot. I can only imagine what he is going though. Not only not being able to race but not even train. The guy is addicted to this just like we are. We can only send him our love and best wishes. You’re right keep him motivated and inspired during this hard time.

One of the hi-lights of my 2018 racing season was seeing LS out on course at Tremblant. Despite the fact he looked like a man suffering in one of Dante's nine circles of hell! He really is a huge inspiration. He was also very funny at the athlete briefing. I saw you hanging out after the briefing, right next to the Starbucks and I was going to say "Hello" but I was shy for whatever reason.

Looking forward to more of your content with the other athletes. Again, you're filling a void with excellent, much-needed content that's entertaining and fun to watch. Thanks again Talbot for doing what you do!! Love the behind-the-scenes of O'donnell's and the Jorgensen's.
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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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“I recently had to serve a one year media ban from WTC events“

Why? By who? To what extent? How is this enforced?

Scott
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Eh might be looking a tad bit to far. He is a professional athlete. I think anyone who can’t compete in their profession will get pretty depressed or down if they can’t do that. A relapse would be the last thing on his mind. Knowing Lionel he is sitting back and journaling every move he made and figuring out how to come back and be the best. I think there would actually be a problem if he wasn’t depressed or down that he was injured. That’s when you would need to take a step back and decide if you should even be racing professionally.

Sebastian is about to put out a video over his most recent injury. Because he was depressed and questioned retirement. Does that mean he needs to get therapy? No it means that he is a strong hearted athlete and has passion for what he does.

I recently had to serve a one year media ban from WTC events. I was most certainly depressed some nights and cried myself to sleep. Because I could not do or have access to something I was extremely passionate about. That doesn’t mean that I need therapy or counseling. Lol

I wouldn't say Sebbi needs to go to therapy, but this goes for any of the pros that are at the pointy end. A check-in with a Sports Psychologist is probably helpful to keep on target. I needed it after my injury.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Eh might be looking a tad bit to far. He is a professional athlete. I think anyone who can’t compete in their profession will get pretty depressed or down if they can’t do that. A relapse would be the last thing on his mind. Knowing Lionel he is sitting back and journaling every move he made and figuring out how to come back and be the best. I think there would actually be a problem if he wasn’t depressed or down that he was injured. That’s when you would need to take a step back and decide if you should even be racing professionally.

Sebastian is about to put out a video over his most recent injury. Because he was depressed and questioned retirement. Does that mean he needs to get therapy? No it means that he is a strong hearted athlete and has passion for what he does.

I recently had to serve a one year media ban from WTC events. I was most certainly depressed some nights and cried myself to sleep. Because I could not do or have access to something I was extremely passionate about. That doesn’t mean that I need therapy or counseling. Lol


One of the comments I respect most about Lionel was a comment he made on TRS about the day he stops loving triathlon is the day he quits. While I really respect this comment I also don't like it some extent. The reality is that most people are in jobs and careers they hate or don't have a huge and TRUE passion for yet they do them day in and day out. The difference is that you and Lionel have a passion for what you do. People who have hobbies and are able to turn them into professions are special people to say the least, but it is also dangerous and slippery slope because it can leave few outlets. I am glad he is sitting back and journaling every move but maybe a step away from triathlon would be an even better move. From my experience with pro athletes across all sports is they have a very hard time stepping away from that specific niche but I think it would be healthy for them to do so mentally as much physically. This is one reason why I think mediation is such a powerful thing as it teaches you to sit still and quiet the mind. This can be a hard thing to do for any athlete let alone a professional endurance athlete.

I don't really want to get into the depression zone too much, but I don't think depression is 100% requirement for those that can't do their passion. I think the strongest (mentally) athletes will understand that it is all part of the process and have the skills to cope with it and channel their energy in other directions. While I don't think Lionel is going to go back down the dark road, I do think it is important to find other avenues to channel the energy whatever that might be. The reason for this is that staying in the triathlon focus can just lead to a cycle of thoughts about how that is what you want to do, but you still can't and then the sadness and depression take over.

Now obviously there are a lot of pieces to triathlon outside of just the physical training aspect. I think there is plenty to get excited about personally, and that offer lots of area for improvement. However, having never suffered from depression myself, only seriously dating someone with severe clinical depression, I believe I can honestly say that some people just have a mind wired in a completely different manner than mine. Some people just get stuck in a negative feedback loop. The mind, addiction, and brain chemicals are an interesting area and I have a special regard for high-level athletes either thru injury or retirement.

Not to get too off-topic, but did Sebastian talk at all about his injury publicly. I would be curious to see what he has to say having trained with him a few times and also really enjoying how he thinks about triathlon.


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Re: Sanders out of Oceanside 70.3 [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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No need to continue with this. All good now. WTC and I are ❤️ Back to helping them out and working with the livestream! :)
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No need to continue with this. All good now. WTC and I are ❤️ Back to helping them out and working with the livestream! :)

LOL I don't think you know how the internet works.

Didn't the suspension have something to do with rollerblading alongside pros? Maybe something about bullshit pacing?
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Thomas, depression is a weird thing. I am someone that didn't (past tense, and I'll explain) really understand or believe in it. I mean, nothing is THAT BAD, right? I've heard, and know, and seen people in different stages of depression and I basically saw them as weak. It didn't make sense to me. I'm usually the life of the party and keep people smiling, but I also like my quiet time. But I was also able to see that I have a good life, a beautiful family, and all sorts of things that make "life great". Then...last year after a solid 6 months of base work, I was 2.5 months into my 4 month block for ST.G 70.3 and my kneecap dislocated randomly (seriously, I was standing and just slipped a little and BOOM it's out). This is an old hockey injury that I had done at least 5 times before, but had been 4 years since any tweak on it so I thought I was fixed. But this time...it was out ALL THE WAY. It was disgusting to look at and I've never felt so much pain. I originally thought I dislocated my entire knee when I saw everything all fucked up down there. SO...instantly it was a full service of emotions...one of which was the realization of all that hard work was DONE. The sacrifices, the hard work, the fitness I was at, the time I put in, the blah blah blah… I've never had this rush of emotions and one of them was a DEEP seeded depression. It encompassed me. It was something I had never felt and it was tearing me up. At that moment (and the following week as I recognized it but was going to make attempts to combat it) it all made sense. The horrible HORRIBLE feeling that people talk about, the suffocating feeling, the let down of everyone, just...damn, the world had ended. And again, I'm a happy guy. I love jokes. I love screwing around. I'm level headed about the good things in my life. But man...that injury really fucked with my head to a level I had never seen or understood before.

Depression is real. And to someone that has committed their life like LS has, it REALLY hurts when you get a dose of reality like this. REALLY hurts. For me, I had a good surrounding and recognized it and openly talked about it as it had me concerned and I wanted people to know where I was at because I was scared, and I wanted their help with dealing with it. It is hard.

I actually wrote LS on FB (though i'm sure he doesn't check that crap personally) and basically said he should still come on out to St.G, take in the scene, be LS the star Triathlete, and play some golf (it's a great area for golf). I'm sure he has a million other obligations, but you never know what getting out of the house and getting some sunshine can do. Because, as you said, maybe this is a good thing...he just needs to see that, and hear that, and understand that...and with that, he'll have that rejuvenated hunger for Tri and getting back, and healing up. Or at least I hope he does.

(sorry about the random, long ass babble session on depression and shit...but yeah)
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I don't want to delve too much further into this topic because I know that some people are very sensitive to things and I can be very blunt in general and I don't want to offend anyone on this particular topic. Your idea may make some sense about Lionel and STG, but it could also backfire. I don't really know and I think it is very individual. I used the word "clinical" for a very specific reason in my last post, because I get it. I don't want to pretend I am some sort of sage, but when you live with someone who has severe clinical depression, and has been suicidal to the point of acting it out, well it really opens your eyes. In my mind I may have thought to ask the person just to "snap out of it" before I ever knew them. And that wouldn't necessarily be insensitive, just me being completely ignorant. Knowing the person, snapping out of it just isn't/wasn't an option.

Now everyone in life experiences ups and downs, some bouts of stress, anxiety, fear, doubt, self-confidence and that is normal but for others it is a real illness/injury that they just can't shake. I would never expect someone to open up, and I certainly have no idea about Lionel and wouldn't discuss it regardless, but it is hard to be a professional athlete when you have kids and fans, parents, and sponsors, and supporters who really want to see you race and win and you feel powerless in the moment and you "feel" like you are letting people down. I use the word "feel" specifically because I think elite athletes at their core often times magnify this, sometimes irrationally so. The reality is nobody cares as much the athletes themselves. They put the pressure on themselves.

Me personally I am extroverted introvert and I definitely need my own time to recharge batteries too. I would guess that it isn't all the uncommon on here. I'm sorry to hear about your struggles but I am glad that it sounds like you are on the right side of it all. Have a great race next week. And if Lionel, Talbot, you or anyone else ever needs to talk I am always here.


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T, I gotcha. I agree. And thanks.
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I hope he recovers well.

I think depression is a term thrown around too easily. We all get sad, or depressed. If your parent dies and you are sad, that is normal. If three to six months pass and you are still sad and not getting out of bed, maybe we are now talking depression (depressive disorder). This is vs an “acute adjustment reaction.” Some people are more prone to depression, or anxiety or both. We are all different and genetics plays a role, as does experience, and supports.

Exercise releases endorphins. It makes us feel better. It helps with pain, sleep, etc. There is a proven link between exercise and improved mood. It can be a form of therapy.

It is also a form of stimulation for people the crave stimulation. Here is where adhd/add can play a role.

It can also fire some of the same pathways as addiction. It can be a healthy option in recovery.

Exercise benefits almost every aspect of out physiology and health... as long as it is not to excess (harm).

Maybe mood issues play a role. Maybe addictions play a role. Or maybe LS is just one motivated guy who just had his world turned upside down by injury. Type A personalities do not do well with injury and incapacity.

I should know, i am not aware of being depressed, anxious, (ok, maybe trending to add), or having substance use disorders, but i have an addictive personality in that when i go in... i go all in (hobbies for example). I dont sit around and i am used to being busy and being 100% to whatever i put my mind to. In the last year i have struggles with chronic recurring injury... and it sucks. It sucks that for the first time in 38 years, I am not able to go 100% at work, play, or family. I don't think i am depressed, but it is tough at times. I sympathize with LS, because anyone like him is a 150% guy. So dealing with that must be tough...
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Last summer I broke my clavicle in a cycling accident. Well it was more than that, but we'll leave it there. My identity for a very long time was someone who was extremely physical. I played Rugby and did Triathlon at the same time (horrible idea btw). I have diagnosed anxiety from that event, but honestly it took a Sports Psych telling me that I was going to be fine and that I responded correctly to my situation. It doesn't always need to be a clinical person, but these people exist for a purpose and talking with hime over a few sessions helped a ton.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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BrentwoodTriGuy wrote:
talbotcox wrote:
No need to continue with this. All good now. WTC and I are ❤️ Back to helping them out and working with the livestream! :)


LOL I don't think you know how the internet works.

Didn't the suspension have something to do with rollerblading alongside pros? Maybe something about bullshit pacing?

WTC looks down on professional jock sniffers ;)
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