You felt the urge to start another thread over a quote that has already been brought up in three others why?

TDS. That's the real National Emergency. It takes the sanity of countless otherwise seemingly intelligent individuals every day!

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

All I know is that it's another fucking thread about fucking Trump. That's why I'm gonna keep talking guitars and used cars this weekend. Heh.

---

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

The scary thing is people just accepting what trump says as 'the new normal'.

It doesn't set a very high bar for the future.

---

Long Chile was a silly place.

Coulter fires back at Trump: 'Only national emergency is that our president is an idiot'

speaking of guitars, I signed up for a Gypsy Jazz workshop, for all acoustic instruments (me guitar) . . . I wonder what kind of trouble I'm getting into: trying to learn these chords and play along https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skSkMbqpTbA

Something similar was said about Bush and Clinton and Ford and Nixon and ...

Yet somehow we managed to survive.

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

At least one Republican supporter has balls...

Funny how if this was someone on CNN or a dem voice they would have TDS.

---

Long Chile was a silly place.

Trump is a far cry from Bush and Clinton, don't you think?

---

Long Chile was a silly place.

Feel free to discuss Justin's ethics scandal

What's to discuss? He's a joke of a PM and I didn't vote for him. Not sure what your point is.

---

Long Chile was a silly place.

Is he? Has he started a war or banged an intern in the Oval Office (after getting us into another country’s civil war)?

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

It would not be hard to imagine him doing the same things if not worse under the same circumstances.

Bush had to deal with 9/11. Not giving him a free pass, but come on. Trump has not been tested by anything close to that, if at all, and he's still a Trainwreck.

Clinton's antics in private were embarrassing and disgraceful to the office he held for sure, but, IMO Trump's public antics display far worse character flaws and judgement then Clinton. And, he doesn't appear to be learning from his behavior.

So, yes, he is a far cry from them both.

---

Long Chile was a silly place.

Because we didn’t hold predecessors to a higher standard we have Trump and the similar dumpster fire of Congress and Senate.

drn92

Remember that we had the longest government shut down in history that caused all sorts of damage to individauls and the country as a whole, and the president now says that didn't need to happen. Then people in this thread are so fucking idiotic that they don't like that people are bringing up the trash fire they voted into the white house.

So sorry that you are an idiot, but we are going to keep bringing up how big of a disaster the republican party is.

I feel for you man, I really do. It's all over the news. It's all over the web. And now, by your count, there's four threads on ST rubbing it in how you get conned by a complete baffoon!

But that's OK, he's still the master negotiator and he still hates illegal aliens. Oh but wait a minute, he's married to one? Could it be that all this is just part of the same con?

---

---------------------------
''Sweeney - you can both crush your AG *and* cruise in dead last!! 😂 '' Murphy's Law

trump is so concerned about illegal immigrants, that he stopped employing them last week. That is how important illegal immigration is to this man.

He meant to say, "I did have to do this."

Trump's exchange with Acosta was another winner. Here it is if you missed it.

In what way do you think I in anyway support Trump in this or any other action? I 100% agree that he is a buffoon. I hope with all my might that the Republicans in Congress stand up to him on this with a veto proof repeal. But I also get annoyed by people who start new threads when there is nothing new. So again, why?

The thing is, threads on ST head of in all different directs, so it's hard to follow them even if they've circled back to where they started. A lot of times it's like two teen-age girls arguing ''you, no you''!

---

---------------------------
''Sweeney - you can both crush your AG *and* cruise in dead last!! 😂 '' Murphy's Law

I ain’t going into several different threads to see if this is being discussed.

How will his statement affect this “emergency” once it goes to court? Will this statement matter at all?

In your best guess.

---

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

It almost makes me wonder if Trump is actually against building a wall. Just about everything he has said and done has made it more difficult to build a wall. Really, the best way to build the wall would have been to keep quiet and dump low levels discretionary funding into construction over a period of years. Noone would have noticed.

Well he is an idiot so...

This whole move isn’t about building the wall anyway. It’s about getting himself out of the corner he painted himself into.

This isn’t going to work. Shirley it will be shot down in court. Then Trump will say “mean biased judges kept the wall from being built. I tried.”

---

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Perhaps. But, he hasn't done so.

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

There may have been a reason Bush started a war, but, Bush started a war. I'm not saying he was right or wrong, just that it is a fact.

Regarding Clinton, his "antics" were not "private." They may have been "personal," but, they happened in the Oval Office. That room belongs to us, not him. In addition, you seem to forget Clinton sent us into the middle of another country's civil war.

Trump hasn't sent anyone to war. So, yes, he is a far cry from both of them.

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

Is that why we have Trump? Have anything to support that position?

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

What has Team Donkey done for the country?

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

I'm not sure that the comment hurts his case, but, it would be something he would have to explain. However, I don't think he has a strong case to begin with. While there are no defined elements that must be satisfied to demonstrate a "national emergency," we have some history upon which we can rely. I just don't see how he can pigeon hole this action into one of those prior examples. So, I don't think this comment really hurts his case too much because the case is so weak already. I can contemplate an argument to support Trump's position. But, I just don't see a solid legal argument that would support his position.

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

Well that settles it. It definitively. When the shittiest lawyer in Wisconsin says that the comment might not hurt his case, it definitely does.

---

===============
Proud member of the MSF (Maple Syrup Mafia)

Speaking of spine.....can someone explain to me why it has only been Republicans who have traveled to the border wall lately? You know, the parts where caravans are camping out just waiting to sneak across. Outside of Jim Acosta, what other Democrat has been to the border to declare....."see, there is no emergency going on here". How come we don't see any border patrol interviews on CNN? When was the last time Pelosi and/or Shumer have been there to back up their claims of no emergency. Just wondering.

Maybe because there is nothing to see there?

President Donald Trump on Friday declared a national emergency to build a border wall. Yet illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border are at their lowest levels in nearly 50 years.

https://www.cnbc.com/...-at-record-lows.html

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

Lately, there have been at least 2 trips this year for congressional democrats alone. Just because you think something is true, does not make it true.

https://www.cnn.com/...r-el-paso/index.html


https://www.kob.com/...-alamogordo/5201786/

"Despite the President's demagoguery over immigration, there is not a national emergency or a security crisis at the border that demands a wall," Hoyer said in a statement Thursday in advance of the trip to the border.
So they hadn't made the trip yet but declared in advance there is no emergency. Oh, ok.
ps......and I like the picture of Castro's trip.......standing in front of a nice big wall.......yep, no crisis here. Why the hell aren't they in Tijuana? Hmmm, let me guess.

I hate to break it to those of you who seem to live and die by whatever new political thread is hanging at the top of the LR, but not everyone reads every thread.

---

Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)

Yeah, you aren't even Canadian! How dare you!

---

===============
Proud member of the MSF (Maple Syrup Mafia)

That is because the article was written over a ago, they visited last weekend.

How many examples of democrats visiting Tijuana do you want? One or two (there is your Castro in Mexico).


What about Juarez?

Nice try but you'll need to do better than this. Hoyer, Small visit was to the safe city of El Paso......yep, no crisis there......they have a nice secure fence. Castro's visit to Tijuana was in June 2017.....yep, no caravans then. Got anything better than these examples?

So just ignore Juarez?

https://www.politico.com/...rant-caravan-1037134

Is that appropriate?

So you admit the first two examples you gave were nothing but BS and now you are using an example of a visit by Pramila Jayapal (she sure gets a lot of Democratic promotion, doesn't she) whose apparent purpose of her visit was to make sure the migrants are not being mistreated.
"The Washington Democrat, a rising star in the House Democratic Caucus, flew to the border Friday and is gathering information on the treatment of migrants from Central America by both Mexican and U.S. authorities. In the afternoon she will follow a group of migrants trying to claim asylum to ensure they’re getting a fair shake, she said."
Glad she seems to be so concerned about American citizens. If this is the best you've got, sorry, better go back to the drawing board. The Democrats don't give a shit about the border crisis regarding American's safety and these examples pretty much proves it.

So what's the point of visiting the border? Some places are probably worse than others. Some places probably nothing happens. Other places are probably fairly busy.

If I go to Chicago, should that be representative of the whole USA? I guess it's out of the question to research crime statistics for the USA overall. I need to visit every region of the USA to make a determination on how bad crime is. That's what you want right?

I can't look at the statistics and see that crime has been dropping since the 1990's. That would be crazy.

Easy to answer.....if you have been following the news on this issue. Caravans are now causing a crisis.,,,,for both the migrants and border patrol. The Democrats don't want to disrupt the flow of future voters so they claim no crisis. Republicans, including DJT have visited the border where the crisis is occurring and seen what's going on. The Democrats refuse to go to the hot spots......it's easier to say no crisis.
BTW, it depends on what you want to confirm to where you visit. If you want to see first hand the gun violence in America, Chicago just might be on the list of places to visit. Thats the point.

You said no democrats visited the border. I have shown multiple examples of visiting both sides of the border.

Oh gawd no! You would come away thinking everyone in the US drinks Zima and everyone's tap water has a little bit of poo in it.

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

Please show me where I said "no democrats visited the border". And I think I pointed out the fallacies of your examples.

You said only Republicans have visited the border. I have shown Democrats visiting the border.

I'm a little confused about why you are even bringing this up. Yes, bush started a war. Trump has not, but, hasn't really had reason to. What's your point?


Fair enough point regarding Clinton in the oval office.
Regarding the civil war. It is my understanding that the US intervened in that conflict as part of it's obligation to NATO, no?

---

Long Chile was a silly place.

Oh my poor brain, it can't take it.

Trump declares Illegal Immigration National Emergency at the southern border, then flies off on vacation with his illegal immigrant wife.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mar-a-lago-national-emergency_n_5c67ff8ce4b05c889d1fadcc



Who needs Saturday Night Live. This has gotten ridiculous!

---

---------------------------
''Sweeney - you can both crush your AG *and* cruise in dead last!! 😂 '' Murphy's Law

Go easy on him. He’s due for a vacation it’s been at least a week since his last one.

---

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Didn't have to do it. Did nothing for two years. Such an emergency that your first act is to go on vacation.

Yup, sounds like a crisis to me.

I love Trumpsters commenting on El Paso buying the BS peddling by the cheeto in chief...Always hilarious.
Yet, when you talk to people who live there, the immense majority (basically everyone except the 6,500 morons who went to his rally) thinks what the hell is he talking about?
It's been safe for so long, well before the wall...But don't let that discourage you to peddle the same bullshit.

And before you comment (I say that in jest, no doubt you'll say more crap) there are several folks in the LR who live there or have lived there for pretty long periods of time.

BUT have you talked to dan Crenshaw who represents a suburb of Houston like 10 hours away (around the same distance as nyc to Chicago). He was in a car at the border.

I saw a funny tweet that went like this

Caller: “hello 911”
Responder: yes what is your emergency
Caller “I didn’t need to do this but I wanted it done faster”

More like 13hrs away. I've done that drive a couple of times (it's incredibly boring).

Yeah I think Houston is around equal distance from Jacksonville to El Paso.

Denver is way closer to El Paso than Houston.

That's pretty good!

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

Broken pic.

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

Hilarious you say? Bullshit you say? Wonder if the people who have to live near the border everyday or the border patrol agents who get shot think its "hilarious".

https://dailycaller.com/...ents-migrant-crimes/

https://dailycaller.com/...-national-emergency/

https://dailycaller.com/...rds-migrant-caravan/

Yes, it's total bullshit. It's the daily caller FFS.

Bullshit? So you are saying this is all made up? This isn't really happening at the border is what you are saying? These pics are all fake?

I’m saying the border isn’t less safe than the rest of the country. And I’m saying a damn wall sure won’t make any difference. And I am saying that El Paso has been safe well before “the wall”.

How long before you stop drinking the Trump kool aid? I didn’t know it was possible to be that thick.

So easy to say when you don't have migrants climbing over your fence to get inside your house. Tell me you leave the doors to your house and car unlocked at night. Do you also leave your bike unlocked on the street when you go in for your Starbucks?
Here's a definition of thick for you......ignoring the fact we have a crisis at the border.......unless you think thousands of undocumented Central Americans pouring into our country is not a crisis. Which I guess you do. Good luck with that.

I lived in El Paso for 13 years. I once left my key on the door for a week because I was entering through the garage.
That's how unsafe it is...

Damn Trumpsters. Too freaking dumb.

You must live in constant fear. You have my thoughts and prayers.

You are more likely to be the victim of a crime committed by someone in the trump administration, than be the victim of a crime committed by an undocumented immigrant.

Francois he found a picture on the internet. It completely validates everything Trump says.

How can you be this thick?

---

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Did you know that the vast majority of those undocumented immigrants are claiming asylum legally at ports of entry? And 90% are being returned after processing. If that's your definition of a crisis necessitating a giant wall along the Rio Grande, you need to do some research.

Let me see. Who should I believe? You experts on whats going on at the border....or the heads of DHS, ICE, Border Patrol who (are not given press coverage on CNN) all confirm in many interviews that we absolutely need more fencing/wall at critical points on the border. Hmmmm, let me think about this and get back to you.

Yes, cause why else would the head of an agency ever say they need more money and power...

"More fencing at critical points" is not what Trump wants. Good to know where you stand. No one is in favor of a lack of border security, despite what the talking heads on Fox are telling you.

So where were these people during the budget process prior to this year?

I don't give you props ... well ... ever, but, THAT was funny!

---

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

build a wall around starbucks - boom. problem solved.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

I'm not so sure about that. A couple of the new Democratic darlings, Beto, and Gillibrand have said they would be in favor of tearing down our current walls. And while some here keep using the term "wall", even DJT has been using the terms "slats" and "fencing". The big picture point remains.....Pelosi and Shumer etc, don't want to improve border security......they welcome anyone trying to get into our country illegally. DJT has never said he's against legal immigration.....and in fact, has clearly stated he's for it.

You are confusing a couple of things and buying into the fear-mongering of Trump that he hopes to use to get reelected.

1. There is no crisis at the border. In fact there is less of crisis now than there has been in years past as crossing attempts are way down. From DHS own stats: "In FY17, CBP recorded the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record, as measured by apprehensions along the border and inadmissible encounters at U.S. ports of entry" from here.

2. You are confusing crime rates and illegal border crossing. Crime rates in El Paso were way down prior to the wall being built in El Paso and its surrounding area in 2008. You can read that here and here.

The first link has a nice graphic which will help you understand that El Paso was never one of this nation's most dangerous cities and has historically been MUCH safer than similarily sized cities. Any other take is just bullshit, that Trump likes to spew.

3. But, that said the wall has made a difference in crossing attempts in and around El Paso. Stats by sector for 2000 to 2017 can be found here. You can see the drastic reduction after 2008.

So did the wall make a difference in crossing attempts in El Paso? Absolutely. Did it make an impact crime in El Paso? Absolutely not.

I guess that says more about the people of the city of El Paso and those that want to get here than it does about those that are willing to take a face value what a political leader who desires to create fear so that he can make good on a campaign promise- facts be damned.

---

Suffer Well.

Yeah, fair enough then.

Yeh, have to admit it might have generated a slight smirk.....but then again, I wouldn't be too sure about that.

None of this makes any sense.

---

____________________________________
https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan

http://howtobeswiss.blogspot.ch/

---

===============
Proud member of the MSF (Maple Syrup Mafia)

Please cite sources to demonstrate Pelosi and Schumer are against border security.

If Trump is against illegal immigration, why does he hire so many at his golf clubs?

If Trump is against illegal immigrants, why does he marry them?

Feel free to look up the sources yourself.....shouldn't take much effort. What have these two done to help improve border security since DJT took office.....you tell me. But they were all for it before he took office.....right? And, I guess you missed it, "he" just fired a bunch of illegals who were working at one of his clubs.

You're wrong, it's not easy to find sources showing Pelosi and Schumer are against border security because they don't exist. Because a person doesn't support a big stupid wall all along the border does not mean you are against security. They did support strategic wall placement and other items for border security. This stuff is all in black and white but you seem to have a very hard time understanding.

Instead of cheering him for firing the illegals don't you think it's more important to ask why did he hire them in the first place. Especially if this is such a national emergency.

---

_____
TEAM HD
Each day is what you make of it so make it the best day possible.

Get educated.

https://www.statesman.com/...inst-it-what-changed

Pretty much everyone left and right has agreed we need an entire reform of the immigration system to address border security.
Trumpsters equate anything that's not to a wall to 'they want open borders and they want to let just anybody in'...there is just no discussion possible with Trumpsters. They toss away facts faster than soccer players dive.

Since Trump took office, last month was the first opportunity the Dems have had to actively participate in the conversation re border security - and now they are. The question isn't why haven't the Dems backed the wall, it's why the republicans haven't funded it either as they rejected spending on the wall previous two years. Well maybe because the idea of the wall has run it's course, and there are now more effective means to spending moneys on border security.

Click-bait right-wing opinion piece ... is that the limit of your education? I've read thoseand simliar talking points for a few decades now. Try harder.

Fair points......but the fact Democrats agreed to only $1.7B for (any type) of border security pretty much confirms how interested they are in beefing up security. And Republicans prior to DJT are just as bad. Finally, a guy willing to do something and the truth comes out.

What's the truth?

---

Suffer Well.

Have you tried to find links that aren't from propaganda webites?

Facts are facts.....regardless of the source. $1.7 is fact. What is your claimed "propaganda?

There are lots of facts on both sides, and on many facets of the immigration debate. You are opposed to weighting any facts that don't align with your bias. border crossings are down, crime is down, you have apparently zero policies for dealing with undocumented immigrants that are here. Those are also all facts.

You're right, facts are facts. A fact, you have no clue about what you are saying. The $1.7B is over the current budget. It's not only $1.7B total for border security. It's $1.7B over the existing budget.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/..._Border-Security.pdf

---

_____
TEAM HD
Each day is what you make of it so make it the best day possible.

Not up to me. Bias? Towards illegal immigration......well, excuse me. Up to our elected officials to deal with this. Both Repubs and Dems have done little to address. You think we should continue with chain migration, and/or the fact someone is born here they become an instant citizen? No one is addressing this. At least DJT is trying to make a start with what people on the front lines say is a problem. Again, DJT is taking a step. Dems are nothing but resistance.

Hmmmmm; guess I was taking too much for granted with your comprehension. Thought we were talking about increasing wall/fence/slats/whatever at the border. Sorry.

Well, those are legal immigration paths, right? You specifically stated that "DJT has never said he's against legal immigration.....and in fact, has clearly stated he's for it. " Is he really for present legal immigration rules? I would say not.

Dems have a host of plans for revising immigration policies. I suspect that you would oppose them, but read SB2611, which was the comprehensive plan passed in 2006, and blocked by the House GOP. The Dems are largely in favor of significant immigration reform, but their prioirities are different from Trump (and his base).

2006 was a long time ago. A lot has changed. Don't know what you mean by "present immigration rules but both Dems and Repubs claim our current laws need to be changed including the antiquated "born here/instant citizen" law. The underlying point here is both parties really have little interest. Ryan was a joke. DJT is trying to do something and is met with resistance.....on everything regarding this issue. And thats a disgrace. If the Dems are really in favor of significant reform.....where is it?

So Trump is taking a stance against chain migration? Is that now that his mother and father in law have used the process to become legal in the US?

By the way, the bipartisan deal that Trump just signed has $49bn worth of funding for the DHS. That doesn't sound like the Dems are against border security. The deal includes significant increases in funding for more drug inspections at ports of entry (which is where 90% of illegal drugs enter), funding for 600 more border and protection officers, funding for an additional 75 immigration judge teams, and over $400m for humanitarian relief at the southern border. The Coast Guard, TSA and Secret Service will also receive funding increases.

So again, it doesn't seem like Dems are against border security, based on this bipartisan deal.

Happy to cite a source if you need, as you seem to struggle with actual facts.

If trump was against undocumented workers, how come he only stopped employing them last week?

Please point out specific elected Dems who have a similar viewpoint on birth citizenship to the viewpoint that is backed by the GOP. It is a very low percentage. "both Dems and Repubs" is a sloppy way to pretend that bi-partisan concensus exists, when none actually does. Now, an issue such as DACA does have actual bipartisan support (it still leans toward the Democrat side).



Dems have put forth lots of ideas during negotiations. Trump's base has become much more virulently "anti-immigrant" on a host of issues. DACA was raised during negotiation in December, and Pence shot it down. The gulf on almost all areas of immigration have become insurmountable. Much of the GOP base has hardened into an instinctively anti-immigrant party. Given that trend, comprehensive reform has become impossible. Of course, you blame the Dems for not being able to find a compromise....

Democrats.......there is no crisis at the border.
https://www.breitbart.com/...whelmed-by-migrants/

Trump himself said he was against chain migration. Then his inlaws used it. Did you agree with him when he said he was against it? Maybe you're in favor of it. Tell us.

And beyond that, all you can counter with is to quibble over the exact statistics on how much illegal drugs are apprehended at ports of entry? Undercover agents working within drug gangs cite similar stats. The vast majority come via ports of entry.

Care to address the other points, including your main point that I countered, that the Dems are against border security?

Actually, the 14th Amendment of the Constitution addresses this. It has the same weight as the other amendments, like say the 2nd Amendment.

Yep, it sure does.

Guess you missed it.
https://www.investors.com/...ocrats-open-borders/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...r-of-reporting-on-it
https://www.breitbart.com/...whelmed-by-migrants/

You're in for a rude awakening if you believe Trump gives a crap about immigration, other than to score political points from his base. He had two full years to do something about it and did almost nothing, that's how much he cares.

How does that prove Pelosi and the Dems are against border security?

You really need to find some less biased sources too. Pretty funny that you're now resorting to just posting pieces from the Washington Examiner and Breitbart.

Really? Who do consider an unbiased source these days? Anyway, this might help.
https://www.investors.com/...ocrats-open-borders/

Well, you have somewhat of a point. But maybe, he thought building the economy, bringing back jobs. etc etc etc took priority. By the way, how is your 401k doing these days? In any event, he's doing more than any Democrat is doing about the illegal immigration issue. And, it sounds like you are the one in for a rude awakening when he wins another term.

Nope, that is wrong. The 90% number does not derive just based on seizures. It comes from knowledge of how the cartels work. Just look at the El Chapo trial, they had his entire organization bugged and they knew exactly how he smuggled his drugs across the border. Guess what was shown in the trial, he moved everything through points of entry or tunnels.

I agree with almost everything you say here. My only quibble is that he’s not buying into the trump fear mongering, he’s attempting to perpetuate it.

Yep. gphin is getting the kool aid directly as an IV. The entropy of bullshit is increasing fast.

Actually, I'm starting to think the best thing for the country would be for Trump to win and the democrats take the Senate. I'm not sure if that's possible, but it would be highly entertaining. That's the only way you will see Presidential power reigned in.

12 Republicans in the Senate vote to block Trump's emergency declaration re the border.

Veto coming.

How do the Trumpeters feel about this issue? Which Republicans in the Senate do you support?

My math ain't so good. What percentage of Senators does it take to overturn the veto? I thought I read that they wouldn't have enough votes for that, in which case this is pretty meaningless.

---

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

While mostly agree. I think they need 2/3 vote in both houses to over turn the veto.

The senators who voted against the emergency can also be daring the president to actually veto it. Hoping he doesn’t. Others could have voted with trump now, and vote against him in the veto (where it would actually count).

Yeah it was wild to hear Ben Sasse say he is a conservative and believes the budget is set up by congress and the president shouldn’t Constitutionally be doing what he is doing. But he has to vote for the president here because of pelosi.

There was also a gop senator who wrote and op-Ed about how the emergency wasn’t constitutional but today voted it was. It is bonkers. Let me take the time to write up something about my beliefs but I am going to vote the other way?

That was Tillis(NC). Gotta love his flip-flop logic. He writes oped saying "there would be no intellectual honesty in supporting executive overreach by Trump that he had opposed under former President Barack Obama."
But then explains his voting against the resolution now as saying "he was reassured by indications that Trump would support changes to the National Emergencies Act itself, to rein in presidential powers going forward."

So....you think what the last guy did was wrong, you think what the current guy is doing is wrong, but now your going to support the current guy because he might not let future people do it. Riiiiggghhttt?

My favorite is the Republican in the house that voted against it, but then sent a fundraising letter out saying that he voted for it because the constitution does not give the president that authority.

Just so shocking that Republicans act in bad faith.

Here’s what I think. These senators know they don’t have the numbers to overturn the veto so they are voting against Trump but it means nothing because they know the veto will stand.

---

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I would generally agree. But the states that are going to be most hotly contested CO-NC, etc. all voted with trump.

I long for the good old days when we had traditional American values.

Of the GOP senators up for reelection next year, only Susan Collins voted against Trump. In other words, even in the purple states, the GOP are still hitching their wagon to Trump.

It was refreshing to see as many as 12 vote against him though. That's the most spine the GOP has yet shown against him since the sanctions vote early in his term.

Spine when it doesn’t matter isn’t really spine at all.

---

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

It may not have mattered with respect to Trump being able to veto, but it still was a public rebuke of Trump by those senators. And it may matter next year for the ones up for re-election who didn’t vote against him on this issue.

The part is that now the law allows the democrats in the house to do the same thing every 6 month as long as the president has the emergency going.

So in 6 months lets see what happens again.

Border agency admits no new sections of wall have been built. That must be wrong. Trump said otherwise.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/...-ZERO-new-walls.html

.

Yeah. I saw that this morning. Also I think it is going to be harder to legally claim the emergency when there was relatively strong bi-partisan support.

Trump is on his way to check out the new sections of border wall. You know, the ones that are just replacement fencing that he's calling "new." They actually started replacing the section he's going to see before he was even president.

  Fence? Wall? New? Old? Under construction? Repair? Enhancement? Truth and facts? Only Donald knows, because only he hears and fully comprehends the words that come out of his mouth.

Seriously, I think responsible parties are just feeding him bullshit to keep him happy. They know full well he can't process the fake as fake and will just spew out whatever suits him.

Trump told us he'd build a wall.

---

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.