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Obviously, Lionel and his switch to Canyon is the biggie, and Laura Phillip also on a Canyon this year, but what are the other big bike changes among the pros?

I always liked the ST article about this but I don't know that there has been one for a while.

Any and all insight is nothing but fun! Happy New Year!

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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No Team Timex, so a bunch of good pros needing new bikes...

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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dfru wrote:
No Team Timex, so a bunch of good pros needing new bikes...

Are they going to ask for the bikes back?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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japarker24 wrote:
dfru wrote:
No Team Timex, so a bunch of good pros needing new bikes...


Are they going to ask for the bikes back?

Yes, confirmed from multiple sources that they are required to return all bikes.

Or...more common sensically, there are more pros without contracts to ride Trek.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Was Team Timex sponsored by Trek?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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Yes.

http://www.timexteam.com/about/

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, confirmed from multiple sources that they are required to return all bikes.

Or...more common sensically, there are more pros without contracts to ride Trek.

I maybe can see this with the pro's that are on the team but I have a hard time seeing this being true for the AG'ers on the team.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, confirmed from multiple sources that they are required to return all bikes.

Or...more common sensically, there are more pros without contracts to ride Trek.


I maybe can see this with the pro's that are on the team but I have a hard time seeing this being true for the AG'ers on the team.

Should have been pink...

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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dfru wrote:
Obviously, Lionel and his switch to Canyon is the biggie, and Laura Phillip also on a Canyon this year, but what are the other big bike changes among the pros?

I always liked the ST article about this but I don't know that there has been one for a while.

Any and all insight is nothing but fun! Happy New Year!
From what I've seen:
Ironman:
-Jeanni Seymour: Ventum (well she was at least wearing the hat, and she was Timex)
-David McNamee: Back with Cervelo after riding one unsponsored last year
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-Richard Murray: TBD, but he's not with Specialized anymore
Casper Stornes: Giant

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [ChasingPB] [ In reply to ]
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Not triathlon but maybe one of the biggest surprises was that Kate Courtney who just became the first American XC Mtn Bike world champ in 17 years is leaving Specialized. She is 23 years old with a long career ahead.

A lot of heads being scratched on that one because she is one of the most marketable people right now on 2 wheels. Not sure why Specialized did not retain her, she is from the bay area.

The rumor is she is going to Scott.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [endosch2] [ In reply to ]
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That girl has so much talent it's insane. Just watching her race she... flows. It's like she's part of the trail. Seems like she has a pretty big engine too. I'm surprised Specialized "let" her go. Seems like she would be an athlete they would definitely want to hang on to: young, dominant, and representative of a huge product category. I'm curious to see who ends up sponsoring her.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [endosch2] [ In reply to ]
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Really enjoyed watching her on the Fast Life series on the Redbull channel. I think she's going to be a huge star for whoever signs her (likely Scott). In agreement that I think Specialized will regret letting her go, but it may have been her decision as I'm sure she's going to cash in on her XC championship, and hopefully, upcoming Olympics showing.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [endosch2] [ In reply to ]
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Well, it's easy to see why Scott snatched her up. They had no-one on the women's XC side of things, and now they'll have 2 rainbow jerseys on the WC circuit this year.

Specialized still has Annika Langvad, who is probably still a little better overall than Courtney (although she is a lot older), and 20 y/o Ida Jansson on the u-23 circuit.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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That girl has so much talent it's insane. Just watching her race she... flows. It's like she's part of the trail. Seems like she has a pretty big engine too. I'm surprised Specialized "let" her go. Seems like she would be an athlete they would definitely want to hang on to: young, dominant, and representative of a huge product category. I'm curious to see who ends up sponsoring her.

I would add that XC Mtn biking was more popular with viewers than Downhill and Enduro on Red Bull TV for the first time ever this year.

The mens racing has been a race for second to Nino for the last 6+ years, but the womens racing has a number of high quality contenders and has been really awesome to follow over the past year. There are 5-6 women legitimately battling for every place on the podium in each world cup.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [endosch2] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed, and it is fun to watch. Unlike road cycling where it's mostly about the engine and team work, there's lots of different aspects in XC: engine, line choice, technique... very exciting to watch.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [ChasingPB] [ In reply to ]
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ChasingPB wrote:
dfru wrote:
Obviously, Lionel and his switch to Canyon is the biggie, and Laura Phillip also on a Canyon this year, but what are the other big bike changes among the pros?

I always liked the ST article about this but I don't know that there has been one for a while.

Any and all insight is nothing but fun! Happy New Year!

From what I've seen:
Ironman:
-Jeanni Seymour: Ventum (well she was at least wearing the hat, and she was Timex)
-David McNamee: Back with Cervelo after riding one unsponsored last year
ITU
-Richard Murray: TBD, but he's not with Specialized anymore
Casper Stornes: Giant

Ventum...I don't know why I have trouble with getting behind that. But they have a nice little stable and Jeannie is a good good athlete.
McNamee...unsponsored, but must love the bike to a) ride unsponsored, and b) not take money from anyone else if it was out there to show cervelo the middle finger for not paying him last year.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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Well, it's easy to see why Scott snatched her up. They had no-one on the women's XC side of things, and now they'll have 2 rainbow jerseys on the WC circuit this year.


Sometimes to the casual viewer, these things don't make sense - after all these are very often business decisions - made in the best interest of both parties.

Yes it would seem odd that Specialized would let her go - she's clearly a rising star in the sport, and MTB is experiencing from what I can tell a bit of a resurgence and Renascence at the moment, but perhaps it's as simple as Scott plunking more money down on the table - who knows?


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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Angela Naeth on Quintana Roo from Scott. Looks like I Race Like A Girl bikes too - a la Cupcake Cartel

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [endosch2] [ In reply to ]
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I though this was because there were more events in XC (with the short track and qualifiers) or something like that.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
Well, it's easy to see why Scott snatched her up. They had no-one on the women's XC side of things, and now they'll have 2 rainbow jerseys on the WC circuit this year.


Sometimes to the casual viewer, these things don't make sense - after all these are very often business decisions - made in the best interest of both parties.

Yes it would seem odd that Specialized would let her go - she's clearly a rising star in the sport, and MTB is experiencing from what I can tell a bit of a resurgence and Renascence at the moment, but perhaps it's as simple as Scott plunking more money down on the table - who knows?


The business irony is that Scott is losing dealers right and left because they have no inventory in the US. Try to get one of their bikes and be prepared to wait 6 months, and their promised dates suddenly move by months. I have 2 Scotts but I had to order them and wait an eternity to get them. I ordered one for my daughter's MTB high school season and after missing the delivery date we cancelled and had to buy a bike from the Great Trek Bike Making Company.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Ben Hoffman isn't with Specialized - should be a good pick up for someone if he's back to healthy.

Also, Bart Aernouts isn't with BMC, so should be interesting for him on a sponsorship side.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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I saw the Ben Hoffman post, it looks to me like they dropped him rather than him seeking something else. I'm curious as to who he goes to, he seems like Potts type of guy where he is model spokesperson.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [aerobean] [ In reply to ]
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I saw the Ben Hoffman post, it looks to me like they dropped him rather than him seeking something else. I'm curious as to who he goes to, he seems like Potts type of guy where he is model spokesperson.

Seems like Specialized has moved on from a handful of athletes then including Murray... Weird because they're talented and still at the front end and marketable, but maybe they want to make moves into a younger portfolio of athletes

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [aerobean] [ In reply to ]
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I saw the Ben Hoffman post, it looks to me like they dropped him rather than him seeking something else. I'm curious as to who he goes to, he seems like Potts type of guy where he is model spokesperson.

Where did The Hoff post his words on this?
Would you mind sharing it here? I couldn´t find it.

Thanks a lot.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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He didn't, specialized bid him farewell on their Instagram. Meanwhile Hoffman is still riding the bikes as of new years and still has the logos on his kit.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [aerobean] [ In reply to ]
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He didn't, specialized bid him farewell on their Instagram. Meanwhile Hoffman is still riding the bikes as of new years and still has the logos on his kit.

it takes some time to divest yourself of 10 years worth of bikes and equipment.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [ChasingPB] [ In reply to ]
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Seems like Specialized has moved on from a handful of athletes then including Murray... Weird because they're talented and still at the front end and marketable, but maybe they want to make moves into a younger portfolio of athletes


They let Kate Courtney move to Scott, and she's 23 and the first American to win a UCI Worlds XC championship since 2001. And she has like 10-15 national championships across different events. If there's a more marketable woman for Specialized in cycling, I don't know who that is.

The broader picture looks to me like Specialized decided to pare back its sponsorship budget.

But maybe they're about to announce a bunch of major signings...
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [trail] [ In reply to ]
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How much are they pouring into Sagan/Bora now...?
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [JASpencer] [ In reply to ]
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How much are they pouring into Sagan/Bora now...?

A ton, I'm sure. And Viviani, et al at Quick Step too. But it'd seem odd to double-down on old-school road cycling when the pendulum seems to be shifting towards niche sports, gravel, etc - at least in the U.S..
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
ChasingPB wrote:


Seems like Specialized has moved on from a handful of athletes then including Murray... Weird because they're talented and still at the front end and marketable, but maybe they want to make moves into a younger portfolio of athletes


They let Kate Courtney move to Scott, and she's 23 and the first American to win a UCI Worlds XC championship since 2001. And she has like 10-15 national championships across different events. If there's a more marketable woman for Specialized in cycling, I don't know who that is.

The broader picture looks to me like Specialized decided to pare back its sponsorship budget.

But maybe they're about to announce a bunch of major signings...

I'm hoping its something juicier, like Scott is pissed at Specialized cuz they poached Flora Duffy last year, so they're poaching Kate Courtney this year. And now they're all like "In yo FACE..." And next year, Spec grabs Keinle AND Nino and they're all like, "if you wanna play with the big dogs, you best learn some manners..."

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe you should check who is Flora Duffy husband before saying that Scott is pissed at Specialized...

BTW, Specialized is letting go others athletes like Murray and also in LD...
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [alex_emetique] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe you should check who is Flora Duffy husband before saying that Scott is pissed at Specialized...

Psst, I'll let you in on a little secret. It was a joke....

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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haha this is not true at all. Not one trek or timex athlete has to give their bike back. Most of the age group athletes purchased their bikes a a massive discount and pros get their bikes for free.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
alex_emetique wrote:
Maybe you should check who is Flora Duffy husband before saying that Scott is pissed at Specialized...


Psst, I'll let you in on a little secret. It was a joke....

It was actually a super funny one too...haha too bad he missed it!

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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I do know this to be true - I said later it was supposed to be pink haha

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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I just texted and confirmed with 3 pro Timex athletes and 1 age group. All of them said they don’t have to give bikes back. It’s their bikes.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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I just texted and confirmed with 3 pro Timex athletes and 1 age group. All of them said they don’t have to give bikes back. It’s their bikes.

OK, I meant I knew what YOU said to be true haha.

I only first said it because of the second comment in the thread. Thanks for checking but yeah...I am aware that my joke was lost in translation.

The thought of Big Metz sitting there riding a recumbent at Rally Sport trying to get a bike on craigslist is a fun one though, isn't it? ;)

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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It seems that more and more bike companies are thinning the herd when it comes to sponsored athletes. I am curious on who people think really move the needle for tri bikes from a sponsorship point of view. I would say Canyon has done well with their sponsorships to getting their name out as they moved to bringing them to the states. Does Cervelo really need to have big name athletes riding their bikes to draw people to them? I would say probably not.

At what point is it more about the bike, price and local shops that sell them and fit you to them that makes more of a difference? Just curious on what people think.
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [ClarkWGriz] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, it's totally changing out there. I hope the onus doesn't go to Quintana Roo, Ventum, Ceepo to pick up these guys because they aren't really moving the needle with their sales, I don't think. Scott could be a nice fit for Hoffman with his xterra loving and such - we will see.

I think Cervelo should move back into the upper echelons of the sport in relations to sponsorship. Sure...they don't NEED more bikes in Kona but look at the other brands catching up. They can only rely on being the big dog so long. I look at Nike, who were essentially non existent three years ago at Kona - and then the Vapor Fly/Zoom Fly craze and they are back (yes, not with tri sponsorship per se...they have a great product PLUS they are Nike, so in the end, winning combination) but if Cervelo picks up Hoffman, and he just slays it at Kona and conditions are perfect, and he wins on the P5 Disc - assuming it comes out - that could be a needle mover for them even with their huge piece of the marketplace. The P5X kind of proved they aren't Nike of tri bikes, to me at least.

That said - they adapt the P2/3 frame to be slick with disc brakes and it's going to annihilate the rest of the market at the low range I think.

Hijacked my own thread and rambled, hopefully it makes some sense though!

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Mauricio Mendez to Cube. Sure, he's young but another former Specialized athlete. Good pick up - kid is amazing.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Pretty certain that Cervelo's bet is on McNamee seeing as they re-signed him

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [ChasingPB] [ In reply to ]
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Pretty certain that Cervelo's bet is on McNamee seeing as they re-signed him
They also still seem to have Frederik Van Lierde and Caroline Steffen - both of them still good but old and nowhere near as good as they were in their peak. I'd really love to see Cervelo bike sales across all platforms because they aren't as popular in triathlon as they once were, and the roadies don't ride their bikes at all...
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Here's his post: https://www.instagram.com/p/BsWSCT1HW4n/

But at least he got one of the new bikes!

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [ChasingPB] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know how much they are putting into McNamee, but yes they resigned him after he rode their bike for free last year. And they have FVL, Zena is back. I get that. Zena is the best rider out of the three - but none of the guys really inspire the bike riding imagination.

I love watching some people on the bike - Sebi, Wurf, Lionel, Daniela, Lucy, Angela Naeth, I actually love Lange on the bike. I look down to see what they are on. It would seem to me that someone like Hoffman can do something this year, including riding the bike well and might be a great addition. Even Bart Aernouts, rides very well and if you have your bike under him and he gets the top step this year - that's going to be great for marketing! But I'm sure it will be status quo for Cervelo.

It makes for a fun off season though - love the sponsorship game!

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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So not a Bike Sponsor but I saw Sarah True has left Saucony and joined Hoka...guess that will be a fun rivalry in their house.

Gwen Jorgensen is now a Skratch Ambassador. I haven't noticed that and was wondering why she was talking about Skratch products the day before on her live from dinner at CES.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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I thought that was an interesting one, as she was in the Zoom Fly I believe (I don't know that there is a blue vaporfly but could be wrong) - so they must've sold her on the carbon rocket coming out, or something. That sounds like an interesting shoe for sure...

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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I don't see any photos on her instagram of her in Nike. She was previously a Saucony athlete: https://sgbonline.com/...y-saucony-president/

In fact if you look at her instagram you'll notice on her previous tri-suits Saucony was a named sponsor. Not at Kona though it seemed.

Here at Bike Check-In at Kona she has some ON's on https://www.instagram.com/p/BpH2JyRHlO8/

Correction, I see the Vapor Flys at Kona here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BpDAjXqnzGt/

and at 70.3 WC here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BnL3t4DH1eD/

I just remember her posting a bunch of stuff on her story for a Saucony event in Ireland for the Kinvara 10 release. So at some point in the last year she and Saucony parted ways.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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I don't see any photos on her instagram of her in Nike. She was previously a Saucony athlete: https://sgbonline.com/...y-saucony-president/

In fact if you look at her instagram you'll notice on her previous tri-suits Saucony was a named sponsor. Not at Kona though it seemed.

Here at Bike Check-In at Kona she has some ON's on https://www.instagram.com/p/BpH2JyRHlO8/

Correction, I see the Vapor Flys at Kona here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BpDAjXqnzGt/

and at 70.3 WC here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BnL3t4DH1eD/

I just remember her posting a bunch of stuff on her story for a Saucony event in Ireland for the Kinvara 10 release. So at some point in the last year she and Saucony parted ways.

I don't remember her at this - Linsey Corbin posted a TON and is on their launch stuff. I'm not sure that Nike is really sponsoring any triathletes outside of short course - although they seem to be working with Cam Wurf a little, but the Vaporfly seems to be like the helmet - do you take the money and ride a Rudy, for instance? Or ride an Aerohead because it tests well even if you don't get money for it. For the last two years it seems like any triathlete without a shoe contract was running in VF's. Anne Haug as well it seems. Interesting, at least.

I hope the carbon rocket is the great equalizer for Hoka - I haven't found a shoe that works yet for me of theirs, but I have respect for the irinvestment in the sport.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Ah, there it is. For some reason I thought Sarah was there specifically because Ben still runs for Saucony. Thanks for correcting me there.

So I'm guessing as I said above that Sarah ran almost all of 2018 on shoes she picked up herself and was looking to try out.

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Dr Joe Skipper's insta story tagged @quintanarootri so possible move on from the Ribble?

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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And Patrick Lange leaving New Balance according to his IG
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [chrissie1993] [ In reply to ]
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Wow...that's surprising!

He was with Newton I believe for his 3rd place in Kona, I believe. Interesting to see where he ends up.

Joe Skipper confirmed his new QR ride - IG the official locator of new sponsorships worldwide haha.

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And Patrick Lange leaving New Balance according to his IG

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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dfru wrote:
Wow...that's surprising!

He was with Newton I believe for his 3rd place in Kona, I believe. Interesting to see where he ends up.

Joe Skipper confirmed his new QR ride - IG the official locator of new sponsorships worldwide haha.

Patrick did run in newton’s that race but was not signed by them that’s why they never marketed his 3rd place, they weren’t allowed

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TRIPRO wrote:
dfru wrote:
Wow...that's surprising!

He was with Newton I believe for his 3rd place in Kona, I believe. Interesting to see where he ends up.

Joe Skipper confirmed his new QR ride - IG the official locator of new sponsorships worldwide haha.


Patrick did run in newton’s that race but was not signed by them that’s why they never marketed his 3rd place, they weren’t allowed

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Yes, I should have said wearing!

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
aerobean wrote:
I saw the Ben Hoffman post, it looks to me like they dropped him rather than him seeking something else. I'm curious as to who he goes to, he seems like Potts type of guy where he is model spokesperson.


Where did The Hoff post his words on this?
Would you mind sharing it here? I couldn´t find it.

Thanks a lot.


The scuttlebutt from a very well-placed source is that the Hof ticked off specialized with the mountain bike race he did as a team with Keinle. Specialized couldn't use it for marketing as Keinle is with Scott. Then Hof gets hurt, falls apart in IMSA, and no Kona. Then no bike sponsorship.
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Chris_Mint wrote:
aerobean wrote:
I saw the Ben Hoffman post, it looks to me like they dropped him rather than him seeking something else. I'm curious as to who he goes to, he seems like Potts type of guy where he is model spokesperson.


Where did The Hoff post his words on this?
Would you mind sharing it here? I couldn´t find it.

Thanks a lot.



The scuttlebutt from a very well-placed source is that the Hof ticked off specialized with the mountain bike race he did as a team with Keinle. Specialized couldn't use it for marketing as Keinle is with Scott. Then Hof gets hurt, falls apart in IMSA, and no Kona. Then no bike sponsorship.

where are you getting this misguided information?
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The scuttlebutt from a very well-placed source is that the Hof ticked off specialized with the mountain bike race he did as a team with Keinle. Specialized couldn't use it for marketing as Keinle is with Scott. Then Hof gets hurt, falls apart in IMSA, and no Kona. Then no bike sponsorship.

We know Specialized is pretty petty when it comes to words for IP, especially when they don't even on the trademark! But that would make them one of the pettiest companies of all time.

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well it's completely false, so as petty as they may or may not be...
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Not tri specific but Phil Gaimon now with Nove Bikes (out of Australia.) Anyone familiar with the brand?
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Angela Naeth has gone from Scott to Quintana Roo.

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I did get that one on the first page but this gives me a good reason to move it back to the top. There's so many athletes out there still without deals...come on social media - release the hounds!

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Just accidentally revealed on the triathlon taren video, Lange has gone adidas

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dfru wrote:
Ben Hoffman isn't with Specialized - should be a good pick up for someone if he's back to healthy.


Also, Bart Aernouts isn't with BMC, so should be interesting for him on a sponsorship side.


Bart is with a Belgian team 3MD and will be riding a Ceepo Viper and Shadow and wear Bioracer Speedwear. Great choice of gear if you ask me ;-)

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Romain Guillaume also to Ceepo, Ceepo is getting more athletes then ever before. I hope that bring them a bit more succes. Really dig the Shadow bikes ;-)

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TRIPRO wrote:
Romain Guillaume also to Ceepo, Ceepo is getting more athletes then ever before. I hope that bring them a bit more succes. Really dig the Shadow bikes ;-)

Jeroen

Romain has always been on Ceepo until he was forced on a for him way too large Ridley bike :-) More ITZU guys will be on Ceepo now.
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Laura Siddall to Factor from Ceepo - I think that Factor Slick bike is pretty...yes...slick. Seems like a cool bike - and she's a great personality who races a lot. Love her on the Fitter Radio podcast...

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Don't know about Big Metz, but Jeannie Seymour is now on Ventum. People are starting to fall into place.

Come on, Hoff and Richard Murray...give us some names! :)

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Would like to see more pros on a trek. Males I can only think of tim reed and tim O’Donnell and Ben kanute?
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Would like to see more pros on a trek. Males I can only think of tim reed and tim O’Donnell and Ben kanute?

Agreed - I think it's a very smooth fit for Ben Hoffman, but that's just me!

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My bet for Ben is Cervelo. Rumor was Lionel was close to signing with Cervelo until canyon came in last minute. Cervelo needs to put a stud on the new bike in North America and as long as Ben can get back to full Health, what a great opportunity for both parties.
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The only hang up I see with Cervelo is that Hoff likes to race the Xterra race in Maui every year, with no mountain bike offering it doesn't make a ton of sense.
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I would think at this stage of his career it will be something he really wants to be on. If he loves the P5x then that's great - but if not it's not worth the money v getting a speed concept, for example and feeling like you are on THE bike that will make the difference. I would have been surprised to see Lionel on anything other than the Canyon, because I think he truly believes that the Canyon is the bike that will help him over the hump.

We will see though, I am sure the Hoff will be fast no matter what he's on!

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The only hang up I see with Cervelo is that Hoff likes to race the Xterra race in Maui every year, with no mountain bike offering it doesn't make a ton of sense.

Hypothetically speaking: PON owns Cervelo. PON also owns ____ ? All Cervelos (or most of them anyway) are assembled by ____ in ____ , USA?
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Team Timex is no longer is it not? Interesting to see what happens with Trek athletes and team?
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My bet for Ben is Cervelo. Rumor was Lionel was close to signing with Cervelo until canyon came in last minute. Cervelo needs to put a stud on the new bike in North America and as long as Ben can get back to full Health, what a great opportunity for both parties.

Any guess as to how much Canyon is paying Lionel per year?

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I feel like I've seen past Cervelo athletes riding Focus mountain bikes, do they have the same parent company?

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With Enve wheels is my guess. I've been noticing him liking enve stuff lately on the insta.
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mdgreene wrote:
My bet for Ben is Cervelo. Rumor was Lionel was close to signing with Cervelo until canyon came in last minute. Cervelo needs to put a stud on the new bike in North America and as long as Ben can get back to full Health, what a great opportunity for both parties.


Any guess as to how much Canyon is paying Lionel per year?

Maybe 65-75k salary then a solid bonus and incentive structure on top of that?
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Holy shit. Is that all pro triathletes make? We start new uni graduates off at those salaries.
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Holy shit. Is that all pro triathletes make? We start new uni graduates off at those salaries.

That’s not his only sponsor.

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Holy shit. Is that all pro triathletes make? We start new uni graduates off at those salaries.

The old saying is 99% of the age group athletes make more money than 99% of the pros.

Cody Beals typically does a write up on his blog every year of his budget of a pro triathlete
http://www.codybeals.com/...ro-triathlon-budget/

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I get that its not his only sponsor but I don't know; I incorrectly assumed that some of these top triathletes were at least pulling $500k USD. I guess I was WAY off target.
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Pun_Times wrote:
turdburgler wrote:
Holy shit. Is that all pro triathletes make? We start new uni graduates off at those salaries.


The old saying is 99% of the age group athletes make more money than 99% of the pros.

Cody Beals typically does a write up on his blog every year of his budget of a pro triathlete
http://www.codybeals.com/...ro-triathlon-budget/

More money in sponsorship than prize money. 50K a year USD isn't bad but have to factor in, there is no 401K plan or health insurance although being Canadian, he has access to universal health care + costs which he neatly factored in
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JackStraw13 wrote:
mdgreene wrote:
My bet for Ben is Cervelo. Rumor was Lionel was close to signing with Cervelo until canyon came in last minute. Cervelo needs to put a stud on the new bike in North America and as long as Ben can get back to full Health, what a great opportunity for both parties.


Any guess as to how much Canyon is paying Lionel per year?

Maybe 65-75k salary then a solid bonus and incentive structure on top of that?

That’s more than I thought.

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Lionel is probably the most monetizable NA triathlete right now so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Canyon probably pays Lange and Jan over 100k salary. Kienle is likely over 100. I would guess most bigger name guys/gals are in the 40-60k camp. But there's probably <30? Of those in long course racing.

Too two earners in prize money last year were women I believe.
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Holy shit. Is that all pro triathletes make? We start new uni graduates off at those salaries.

He's also got Freshii likely doing salary + bonuses, Garneau, etc. So I'd guess his salary is definitely over 100. Then if he has a great year he can probably double that. If he wins Kona, it likely increases his following years' salary, etc.
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mdgreene wrote:
My bet for Ben is Cervelo. Rumor was Lionel was close to signing with Cervelo until canyon came in last minute. Cervelo needs to put a stud on the new bike in North America and as long as Ben can get back to full Health, what a great opportunity for both parties.

I think so too. Ben has liked almost all of cervelo's IG posts recently. Wouldn't it be odd for him to do that if he were signing with anyone else?
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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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OK, neither bike or running shoes :

Eric Lagerstrom signed with Castelli (from Love the Pain)
Not a surprise to have him with a bigger clothes sponsor
Another one moving to boundary layer management with the Castelli PR :-) ?
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I feel like I've seen past Cervelo athletes riding Focus mountain bikes, do they have the same parent company?

Santa Cruz was what I was referring to. Santa Cruz assembles a lot of Cervelo bikes for distribution in their warehouse.
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Cervelo finally announces the big one....welcome Anne Haug!!!

Not Ben (at least yet) but it should be a little nicer then the Scrane or whatever she was on last year. Good pick up, she bikes well too!

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Ben Hoffman.... "
I am very proud and excited to announce my new sponsorship with ENVE Composites! ENVE is the gold standard in the wheel industry, building some of the lightest, strongest, and most aerodynamic equipment available for triathletes and cyclists. Their commitment to excellence and passion for cycling run deep, and I am looking forward to big performances aboard their stellar wheel lineup. Just as I am invested in constant improvement with a focus on the details, ENVE's proprietary tooling and innovative design process mean they are constantly evolving and creating the absolute finest product in the industry. Now, what bike will captain these awesome wheels?! Excited to share very soon! #iRideENVE"

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Not sure if noted in here but Matt Russell has signed with OwnWay and On Running.

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This one one of the issues Ben had. Couldn’t have other sponsorships while w Specialized. They had him all tied up.
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With Enve wheels is my guess. I've been noticing him liking enve stuff lately on the insta.

Nice call!

If it is the cervelo...be the P5 disc :)

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I have a new theory that Ben will be the new P5 disc poster child and is waiting for that bike to be announced. It's a theory like gravity...

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Re: New Bike Sponsors Thread 2019 [ChasingPB] [ In reply to ]
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If you look at the geometry of the bikes that Richard has hinted at and covered up, it appears to be a BMC. My guess is that he will be riding the BMC Slr01.
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Someone mentioned they thought Richard Murray was going to be on the BMC - and they were right!

Bike choices in ITU don't capture my imagination but Richard is a fun follow and entertaining, and it's a great fit for him hopefully!

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Good Call!



Ben Hoffman on Cervelo according to his IG this morning..




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Just needs to fix the shoe color and that's one matchy-matchy kit!

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jakers wrote:
Good Call!



Ben Hoffman on Cervelo according to his IG this morning..




jake

I can't take credit - someone else thought it was Cervelo. I actually thought it would be the P5 Disc poster boy and was waiting for the official launch of that bike!

That said - he looks good on that bike! Congrats to Ben!

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Good for Ben. Hopefully this helps propel him to a great comeback year.

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he looks good on that bike!


sitting behind him is difficult.
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he looks good on that bike!



sitting behind him is difficult.

Well, sexy calves. Do your calves have their own insta account?

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mine are unworthy
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I think you speak for us all.

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So you haven't seen the P5 Disc in person then? :)

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Riding with Hoff requires an NDA submission
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That's not a no! :)

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"I would guess most bigger name guys/gals are in the 40-60k camp. But there's probably <30? Of those in long course racing. "
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Your guess is way too high. I have seen the contracts and tax returns, including the highest level. I've seen ITU contracts/returns also. Typically MUCH lower base except for the top 5 or so. Of course there are outliers for those who REALLY help monetize - LS may be one of those clear exceptions. Additionally, some very high incentives e.g. 1st off the bike in Kona, New Kona record, etc.

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i guess you're just arguing semantics then over what i meant by ''bigger.''

i said <30.

that's definitely a correct number.
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 . . . and "most" and "40 - 60K"

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you're the attorney. my statement read: "less than 30 in long course triathlon racing make $40-60k."

do you disagree?
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fewer, dammit. fewer.....

jkhayc wrote:
you're the attorney. my statement read: "less than 30 in long course triathlon racing make $40-60k."

do you disagree?

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actually...

that's one that could sort of go both ways i felt like. because it's a quantity, you're inclined to go with ''fewer,'' but because it's sort of a "mass noun" in this particular context, describing a sort of body of people or group, i went with less.
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jkhayc wrote:
actually...

that's one that could sort of go both ways i felt like. because it's a quantity, you're inclined to go with ''fewer,'' but because it's sort of a "mass noun" in this particular context, describing a sort of body of people or group, i went with less.

Nope.

"fewer" is for when the thing you are describing is subdivided into units of that thing itself. eg. 1 person, 2 people, etc... 1 water, 2 waters etc doesn't really make sense (unless you are using a shorthand for "glass of water", but even then you would say "put fewer waters on the table" to indicate that there are too many glasses on the table. )

"less" water.

"fewer" people.

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NERDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Do people really buy a bike because "Pro So and So" rides one?
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Yes. Not that I own one (only because I couldnt afford it), but the only reason I knew about Canyon as a company 2-3 years ago was because of Frodeno. And you better believe if I had money I would have bought a Speedmax in a heart beat.

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I definitely think it makes a difference. Seeing Frodeno on a canyon made canyon legit to me. Watching Kienle crush the bike in 2014 on the plasma made me think that the plasma was the new era of super bikes. I definitely think the sponsorship matters, at least I guess it does in my eyes.

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Maurice Clavel to Scott. Another fast German...could make a huge difference in the bike leg in the big IMs in the future.

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Scottxs wrote:
Do people really buy a bike because "Pro So and So" rides one?

Yes.

ST is not the majority.
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Scottxs wrote:
Do people really buy a bike because "Pro So and So" rides one?

You present a very rational question that we see here a lot on slowtwitch but that's not how sponsorship marketing works. To answer your question, very few people are going to go out and sell their shiv and buy a Cervelo because of Ben Hoffman.

The reason companies sponsor pros really comes down to checking a validation check mark when the consumer is going through their purchasing decision model. Consumer A is in the bike shop and getting ready to drop 8K on a P5. In order for the consumer to hand over their credit card, they have to navigate several questions with their brain before they can commit to purchase. Am I attracted to the bike, does the bike meet my needs and goals, does the bike fit my budget, am I going to gain street cred riding around town on this bike, is this bike going to allow me to reach my potential, is this bike really worth 8k etc etc etc.

Consciously or often sub-consciously for the consumer, Cervelo sponsoring a guy like Ben Hoffman answers some of those questions for the consumer and ultimately helps pave the way to handing over the Visa. "This bike has to been fast and worth 8K Ben finished second in kona or hell yeah im attracted to this bike, did you see how cool it looked with hoffmans calves pushing the pedals."

Now in order for sponsorship marketing to work, the bike manufacture has to hold their end of the bargain up with great brand marketing and emerging new "sexy" technology. Classic example of this is Lionel and Garneau. Lionel certainly held his end of the bargain up, but Garneau failed to deliver on the brand marketing side and just had a very plain "run of the mill" tt bike that generated very little excitement in the industry. Absolutely nothing wrong with the bike and highly doubt it ever cost lionel a win, but there was just never anything cool about it or decades of history to back it up.

The flip side of this is Norman Stadler and Kuota in the mid 2000's. Kuota and the Kailbur was a very cool bike, a bit ahead of its time, and Norman crushed Kona on board. The next few years they made a huge splash in the tri industry and maintained a sizable market share for how new and small of a company they were. Later on they would struggle but that is an entirely different topic.

Last example is Phelps and Subway. People didn't go out and buy foot longs because they had phelps posters hanging in their home. Sub-consciously they figured subway was a healthy option because the greatest swimmer of all time showed up in a commercial with his goofy smile.
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Terenzo was ridding unbranded Argon 18 at IM New Zeland.... No Logos at his racesuit also!
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Rudy Project just announced Gwen today. Thought this one was kind of weird, but awesome for her.

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Sport Sunglasses I think!
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How big are they as a Sunglasses brand? I know they have shades. But Aren't they really more of a triathlon Bike Helmet company?

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She still sponsored by Specialized and not doing anything related with bike, that was the only thing I could think... maybe you're right. Cheers
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TheStroBro wrote:
How big are they as a Sunglasses brand? I know they have shades. But Aren't they really more of a triathlon Bike Helmet company?

As big as it gets, save for Oakley maybe. Sunglasses may be their primary business (before helmets).
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Sweet, thanks for the info, had no idea.

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Not sure if it got mentioned, but Jake Birtwhistle and Richard Murray are both on BMC this year on the ITU Circuit... Birtwhistle was previously on Factor and Murray was previously on Specialized... And Dedacciai have a growing slate of athletes in the ITU Ranks (Ty Mislawchuk and Kirsten Kasper have been on them for a while, but Non Stanford and Emma Jeffcoat are also on them this season).
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