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My wife has helped a few women at either IMLP or IMFL in T2 pump. This is obviously taking it to a new level (and huge props to her for being able to do so).

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Really takes you to step back and consider all the extra trouble women go through to train regularly. Pretty much every guy I know moans and makes excuses. Can only imagine the state many would be in if they had periods, or had to carry a baby inside them for 9 months while trying to stay fit!

I saw Lizzie Deignan's (Armistead) pic on Instagram the other day. She's looking in excellent shape after just having her firstborn.

/hat tip to the women

I breastfed both of my kids and I am all about keeping fit. But this is just taking it a bit too far. Goodness gracious.

Totally agree, this is beyond ridiculous.

Gross

Lavender room is calling.

Why?

From the article it sounds like she was planning to pump in T2, but realized she was on pace for a PR. So, she made it work while running.

My wife, who had 5 children says, when it's time to pump... It's time to pump. You can't really wait.

Doesn't bother me.

They say you've got to be pretty OCD to be an endurance athlete. This woman is an endurance athlete, indeed!

In a sport where people run across the finish line with $hit running down their leg, and where athletes regularly pee all over themselves.... *this* is gross? Lol.

Agree. More power to the ladies.

Indeed. Props to this mom!

100% this. People will discuss saddle sores at length but shudder when the p-word is uttered.

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She needs professional help. You mean to tell me this can’t wait. If so, then why the eff is she racing to begin with? At best she’s a really strange woman that should have finished her race without making a ridiculous scene, or not raced at all. Smdh...

This!!!

It doesn't seem like she was making a scene, just running her race. Will people notice somethings different, yea. But it doesn't seem like she went around telling every persom she passed.

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Agreed, way to go mom!

Fishbum let me guess you don’t have kids?

Grow up, troll.

And what was she doing out of the kitchen anyway, amirite?

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Nope.no way.

Hahahahahahahahha. I'm really curious why she wasn't making sandwiches for all the REAL
athletes.

things a transgender (man wanting to be woman) cannot do...

And what if she didn't pump?

I feel like she used the pumping excuse to make a statement - which was a very inspiring one for women, but I think this was unnecessary. her kids wouldn't starve to death if they didn't get their fresh milk that afternoon. the bigger statement would be if she just whipped it out without covering.

Imagine a balloon slowly filling throughout the race, eventually it hurts like hell so pumping is necessary.

The human race would likely be exinct if way back in the day, mom's were unable to feed babies on the fly. This is cool and maybe as humans it takes us back to our roots of what the gift of life is all about a mom doing what she has and needs to do for her child....and I am biased given my time in the Air Force...GO AIR FORCE!

Well, up to her... but I don't see the point to do this in the middle of a race unless she is in pain...
PB? I guess she would have more chances for that...
This piece of news does really matter??
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What’s disturbing was someone snapping shots of this and then posting An article about it on a news site. Let her do her thing and don’t make a spectacle out of it.

Your wife obviously never pumped. She could be in a lot of pain and then it becomes a medical need to release it, the milk could be thrown out.

The ignorance here is amazing. I literally just read a thread where someone wanted to know how to pee on the bike, then people proceeded how to explain how to, and this is gross or too far? I'm a man, so I can't speak from personal experience, but when it was time for my wife to pump, IT WAS TIME. It's painful apparently. Kudos to her

If you really don’t know the answer to your rhetorical question, google is your friend.

Oh gosh here’s a thought maybe she was in pain. My god some of you guys are idiots. You realize just running with them full would be painful.

Impressive woman, and either a lot of trolls and/or folks with zero knowledge about what a Mother goes through during breastfeeding and how the female body works.

My other half, after all her long rides, the first thing she needed to do was pump, (or feed, if the baby was around), as it was painful for her not to release the milk that had built up. The body is amazing, and is very much a use it or lose it system. The more an infant feeds, the more milk is produced to keep pace with the feedings, frequency, and amount. If pumping is not done on a normal feeding schedule, the milk supply will decline, hence why a working Mom will pump multiple times at work at regulator intervals. Our children would be fed pumped breastmilk, if Momma wasn’t around or at work. This woman is quite a breath of fresh air and should be celebrated, not scorned for her dedication to her children, as far too many Moms don’t breastfeed. She is a racer, trying to complete the race in her fastest time, and is managing the beauty of Motherhood at the same time! Thanks for sharing!

As others said it can be extremely painful, not sure why someone should be forced to endure that pain along with racing.

What do you think can wait? The pumping or the running?
If you think she should be able to run for 4 or 5 hours without pumping you clearly don't have any experience as a breastfeeding mother or partner to one.

It's bizarre that people have a problem with this. What exactly is the problem?

only thing she, wanted to show other mums that this is possible and is hoping to inspire others.
well done to her.

good for her, and with that kind of octane the baby will be a beast.

Gents who don't get it -- imagine racing on a full bladder or bowel and not releasing it. When it's time, it's time.

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Why? What harm was done? What is ridiculous about this? It's time to accept this. 2018 calling for you. Much respect for this woman and yes I say this as a guy.

Have kids, not a prude or overly conservative, don't find this gross at all and still think this is beyond ridiculous. Theres definitely no "medical emergency" arising from not pumping milk for 6 hours and the baby doesn't have to starve during this time either, you can prepare for this in advance. So just do your HIM and if some milk leaks during the run no problem. But this? Stupid.

It seems that no matter how utterly stupid something is nowadays you still find a large portion of people that will say "have be tolerant, have to understand, kudos for being different" etc.

Equal pay and equal rights is more power to women, pumping your milk in the most ridiculous situations sounds more like something for facebook meme videos.

Minus utterly stupid, yes welcome in 2018. Let's celebrate diversity.

Came here for the shitty comments from the usual forum trolls. Not disappointed.

So saying something is imo gross is trolling???
Holy shit dude do you spend your day trying to be offended?
What should I say....OH WHAT A AMAZING WOMAN. YOUR JUST THE BEST!
Christ people opinions don't all have to be the same and god forbid I get geeked out by women breastfeeding...

Kind of funny when you see the other topics about take a 'wild' shit on the long runs or pissing in your cycling shoes, yet this is groose. Sad, really.

I don't Think anyone has said that wasn't gross..

But the stories are funny

So extreme discomfort (in addition to the normal strain of doing the race), is not sufficient reason why she should do this?
You say you have kids, but you don't say whether you or your partner (your sex is unclear) breast fed them.
The fact that you are suggesting she did this because she was worried about leaks or her child starving reveal that you've utterly missed the point. Her choice was likely pump in T2 or pump on the run as she did. To suggest she didn't need to do it at all is pathetically ignorant.
There's nothing to be tolerant about, she caused no problem.

No. Decent people choose to be tolerant. Though I don't see what there is to tolerate here?
No. I choose to always try to understand the situation and judge it on it's merits, not based on ignorance and prejudice. Those with a shred of intelligence and willing to think for themselves are usually able to perform this basic function to some degree if they choose to do so. It's easy in this case since there's nothing very complicated going on.
No. Kudos for doing what you want, so long as it does no harm, regardless of the views of idiots. This did no harm, and allowed her do the race she wanted to do. Why on earth should we not appreciate those who embrace their freedom. In the end surely this is how society evolves and improves?

How's it gross? Are you 12?
She even covered herself up, not that it should be necessary.

Why is it a matter for the LR?

I'm 13 thank you very much....


I just get geeked out by that stuff.

Wow good for her! She is definitely driven and dedicated. It takes a lot of will power and sacrifice to breastfeed and on top of that she was able to carve time out for herself. Mad props.

There is some stat out there for North America that 99% of women stop breastfeeding before 6 months.

lol, you have never been around a mom with engorged lactating breasts have you? It gets to a point where it is pretty painful.
Good on her and it is far from "gross".

Being engorged is no joke. The pain would keep me up at night if I didn't do something. And running at the same time? Nope, nope, nope.

Perhaps she could have peeled off course and taken care of it in a less public space or maybe the race just conflicts with what is going on in her life and her family needs are more important than this one race.

The action by her made the news it was so unconventional, but those who have a different view on her choices are chastised. The ones who are supposedly more tolerant usually are less tolerant of different views. It’s okay to not agree with how she handled the situation.

Anything goes these days and if you don’t agree with the masses they will tear you down for a difference of opinion.

People aren’t

Or, perhaps, the idea that her family needs and this race conflict when she could multitask to achieve both goals shouldn't be such a radical one.

It's like saying that my wife shouldn't have done any work while pumping, either. Except that's not how the world works.

This might be unorthodox, but only on this board can this much hand-wringing come about over something like this.

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"Get back in the kitchen".

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The point is, ladies and gentleman, that speed, for lack of a better word, is good. Speed is right, Speed works. Speed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

Not what I said or insinuated, but you’re known to attack people calling them sexist on here.

I believe in equal rights, but I think this could have been handled different. If that’s sexist to you then whatever.

I think you’re weird and have a serious agenda. Many others have a similar opinion of your trolling.

Christ, please don't say that... What you need to say is "You're the best"... "you're".

I know you are only 13, but I'm glad we cleared that up.

1) "Differently"

2) Yes. It is sexist. No one ever talks to male triathletes with children this age about their "family needs". In fact, I am sure there was at least one guy on the course with a kid who needed to be fed during the race... maybe he should not be racing either.

3) She should not have to pull off course and pump behind a tree... aside from the fact that it would have killed her time, there just is no reason on earth why she should have to hide while pumping.

Certainly wasn’t expecting this much chatter- but now that there is, I certainly hope some company takes the lead here and recognizes the need to develop carbon fiber, wind-tunnel tested pumping gear for women on the go.

If you hook up a pump and find a way to reverse the flow in the straw, you’ll actually find a good use for the new rear Shiv bladder!!!! Women will get to pump while racing. Men won’t have to bully her into hiding behind a tree. Genius!

So relieved now to find I can self cath in the middle of the race! It was killing my times to have to pull behind a tree!

Really you’re gonna go with that one when there is a thread on the main page about how to pee on the bike?

Or you could just not offer your opinion. It's funny that you think I'm offended. I'm simply pointing out that you're a troll like you usually are.

Hold on hold on. I disagree as much with what he said as anyone else, but that doesn’t mean he can’t or shouldn’t offer his opinion. This has produced an important discussion and everyone’s opinion is welcome, even those that you think are “wrong”. Trying to silence those with whom you disagree is never the way to go.

Sure. And I offered it as my opinion that he's trolling. That's based on this comment and his history of similar nonsense.

"I don't think that's appropriate in public" is a constructive negative response. "Gross" is not.

WRONG!!!!! There are male family needs. The guy who was divorcing and a buddy told him to balance training by dumping his kids off is wrong. That is a family need that a man needs to address. So you’re wrong. Family needs work both ways. Quit attaching labels to everything to fit your agenda.

Fishbum it’s ok to have an opinion but it’s another thing to voice it when it clearly makes you look like a sexist jackass. That’s why I asked if you had kids, because it qualifies your opinion. If you don’t have kids and have no concept of the pain and suffering women go through you should really just keep your mouth shut. I should add many others are being idiots it’s not just you.

THANK YOU!
I'll be the first one to admit that sometimes I like to stir the pot "Trolling" but in this instance I really just was trying to convey that this kind of thing gives me the Willy's. Now I no I no what ur gonna say....it's natural and yata yata yata.....And you have every right to say you can't understand why this gross me out but that doesn't change the fact that that it does and that I'm aloud to voice my opinion.
And noooo my wife and I don't have kids. Neither of us handle kid things well!
So I'm sorry if my opinion offends you

I'll try to keep my trolling to the LS threads..all 900 of them.

Are those mortified by this also mortified by women that feed in public? Just trying to find out where the line is drawn here. It kills me to see grown men find breast "icky" or "gross".

Again I'm sure you would say I'm trolling but yeah I'm not crazy about seeing this in public. I'm also not crazy about public displays of affection...

I doesn't.make me wrong and you right or vise versa....It's just what makes us different

A lot of people do. I wish America had been founded by... basically anyone other than the Puritans.

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Well hopefully you understand why this happens in public now. Women shouldn't have to just sit inside waiting for this natural thing to stop happening. This isn't even comparable to PDA's though. One's a necessity (despite what a shocking number here seem to think), the other isn't. You are correct though, we're both entitled to our own opinions.

I do understand that it's necessary...kids got to eat and apparently it's starts to hurt if left unattended ( god I'm dying to say something funny) and that I did not no till this thread.

What bull.

Look, I know I'm not about to convince you of anything, it's obvious you're not about to take any logical arguments onboard, but in case anyone else thinks you have a point, let's just be clear about something:

Most people are saying if she wanted to race, she probably needed to pump. That there is no legitimate reason to accuse her of inventing a problem or making a fuss about nothing. Anyone here who breast fed or had a partner who did will know this is a perfectly legitimate need. Also, she didn't make a fuss about it, she just did what she needed to do. She didn't interfere with anyone else's race. There's no problem and indeed willingness to disregard silly old fashioned prudishness and ignorance does deserve credit.

Others either don't understand the situation (I wouldn't have known too much before my partner breast fed our son) and therefore have mistaken this for a publicity stunt, which is forgivable so long as you're open to feedback and willing to correct your error. However there are those, like mwanner13, who not only don't get it, but play the victim and pretend all opinions are equal and they are being persecuted for being different.

Opinion A is that she should be left to it. It's a perfectly natural need, which interferes with no-one else and allows her to race is do what she wishes so long. This opinion should offend no-one, since it imposes nothing on anyone.

Opinion B is that she should do what the contributor wants, regardless of her own needs or wishes. A contributor who appears not to even understand the situation. This opinion favours interfering with the freedoms of others without even suggesting a legitimate reason beyond perceived existing convention.

And the holder of option B is the one complaining about not having their freedom respected.
I challenge your position and your wish to interfere with others. I make no apology for that.
You challenge the freedom of others without cause. I believe that's where an apology is due.

The masses don't tear you down for a difference of opinion, and you're not being brave by having one.
Your ignorance is being criticised as it should be. If your position was defensible you wouldn't be pathetically playing the victim, you'd be defending your position.

I think this is an assumption based on your bias. I don't know who took the pics or reporting, but what if it was a female? Does that still make it disturbing? My female tri and running friends were inspired by this and not disturbed or creeped out.

Also, she was doing her own thing. She was interviewed by the media agency and discussed why she did this. It looked like she gladly did post race pictures which included one of her breastfeeding her kid. I think she's intentionally being an advocate for breastfeeding, but that's just a guess on my part.

Could she have pumped privately? Yes. She chose to do this in the most public way. It was her choice. I think it could have been handled differently.

I’ve pissed all over myself in transition. Why? Because I was in a race and didn't stop to stand in line at a port-a-potty. Easily could have, perhaps should have. Could I have just waited to the end of the race? Nope. Other than a volunteer once saying, “Oh my god, these people are gross sometimes.” nobody made any kind of deal about it at all. I’m not seeing how this is much different for her. She wanted a good race time and went for it.

My wife and I have three kids. While I haven’t experienced breast feeding pain for myself, for obvious reasons, my wife would tell me it can be very painful. She would need to pump after about 2-3 hours if the baby wasn’t nearby to feed.

Did this lady choose to do this in public? Yep! Just like I chose to pee on myself in transition to save time...

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It's always amazing to me when someone brings up the intolerant of intelorance argument, and always with no self awareness of what they are saying. One more time...you may have any opinion you want, the rest of us are under no obligation to agree with you.

"The action by her made the news it was so unconventional, but those who have a different view on her choices are chastised. The ones who are supposedly more tolerant usually are less tolerant of different views. It’s okay to not agree with how she handled the situation.

Anything goes these days and if you don’t agree with the masses they will tear you down for a difference of opinion."

Of course it could have been handled differently. But your comment implies there was some problem with how she did handle it.
The option she chose was the quickest and there was nothing wrong with it.

Do you think it's acceptable for a woman to breast feed her baby at the table while out for dinner in a restaurant with friends, or do you think she should hide herself away in the toilets to do so?

It is exactly what what you said means, even if you can't follow it to its conclusion. I call people sexist here very rarely, so I don't really believe you. I was called sexist myself on the Ashley Horner thread by a number of people. Where exactly were these "attacks" of mine? Are you thinking of the thread by the self-admitted troll who said female pros should be paid less, which is the exact definition of sexism?

Weird? Sure. Agenda? That's a code word used by conservatives to attempt to delegitimize positions they don't like. Much like "triggered" and "snowflake". I'm sure there are others who agree with you and are "triggered" by seeing someone call them out on their offensive positions while they push their "agendas" of Puritanicalism. "Trolling?" Come off it.

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I wasn't commenting either pro or con. Simply offering my experience as to why she was pumping - it wasn't about the baby eating - it was about her comfort. The how/why/where of what she did was her choice and yours to debate as you see fit.

The colonists in Jamestown - the first permanent English settlement in North America - weren't Puritans, specifically, but members of the Church of King James

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/va01.asp


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exactly! why is this bothering anybody? she wasn't exposing herself. how is this offensive to people? as far as I can tell, she wasn't trying to make some big statement she just wanted to PR.

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Yeah my wife did IMWI with a broken wrist and biology kicking her butt. Amazing.

Don’t you know? People gotta be outraged by something these days, even if it doesn’t remotely affect their lives. Indignation is in

As a dozen other posts reference, and I'll reiterate, my wife pumped and you get into a schedule. So when it's time to pump -- it's time to pump!! And Thank God women breastfeed or the human race wouldn't be here!

The point that everyone's missing is what's truly outrageous is that we Triathletes participate in 70 mile races that take 6+hours to complete!! So if someone, such as a breastfeeding Mom -- wants to be committed to PR'ing a Half Ironman and committed to a pumping schedule for breast feeding a child, the outcome is Pump-n-Run!!

Funny how our community sees the 70.3 mile race as normal, and breast feeding to fit within this self created contest as out of the ordinary. As another poster mentioned, women have been breastfeeding on the move for a very, very long time -- many thousands of years. Men and women wearing spandex and lycra while SBR'ing against a clock has only been around for less than a thousand of a second by comparison.

I applaud this women for not compromising either commitment. BRAVO!!

Anyone speaking out against this is misguided. 1) Pumping was a medical necessity as everyone who actually has experience with kids or women understands. 2) The choice was to do it in private and forego the chance at a PR or in public and gun for the PR but possibly offend some who find it "gross" to see a covered up breast with a plastic bag attached. PR's trump offending a few nits who find plastic bags gross, all day long. End of thread!

Guy who pee'd on the bike at IMWI,...which is gross

Exactly this. I asked a few female running friends who have children about this and they all agreed this is the reason. Huge props to the lady for taking on a six hour race knowing this would be an issue. All three of my children were breast fed (not by me!) and I still forgot about the practicalities involved after ~8 years of the youngest being weaned onto solids. My wife isn't into endurance sports but I'm still embarrassed I couldn't remember and had to ask someone. My memory is junk.