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IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event
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Just checking in to see if anyone has concerns about tropical storm/hurricane Michael and the potential impact to the race?

I've not raced in FL before, hoping that:

a. The storm is not too significant (it's a hurricane though so...)
b. It is occurring 3+ weeks out, so maybe enough time for cleanup and repair?

Curious to see what others think? Especially those who've raced there before or are maybe locals?

Thanks!
-Mike

(Yes, the irony of my name and this storm is not lost on me)
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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It should also be mentioned that the Panama City/30A area has been dealing with a "red tide" event for like 2 months now. I was in PCB on vacation 2 weeks ago although further West of Boardwalk and there were piles of dead fish and eels all over the beach. The water was super brown in the afternoon but clear in the mornings. It affects everyone differently and it caused me to hack and cough like crazy. Also irritated my skin. Just wanted to make you aware.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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It really depends how hard it hits. Looks like it's not forecasted to be a major hurricane and looks like the storm surge predictions are not bad for the PCB area.

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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [triguy86] [ In reply to ]
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triguy86 wrote:
It should also be mentioned that the Panama City/30A area has been dealing with a "red tide" event for like 2 months now. I was in PCB on vacation 2 weeks ago although further West of Boardwalk and there were piles of dead fish and eels all over the beach. The water was super brown in the afternoon but clear in the mornings. It affects everyone differently and it caused me to hack and cough like crazy. Also irritated my skin. Just wanted to make you aware.

just as an FYI - in 2015, PCB had red tide to some degree, and the swim at IMFL was NOT canceled. Just as noted above - red tide caused me to cough uncontrollably when I got within 30 feet of the water. It affects people differently. I think swimming in that water ruined my race, but it didn't seem to affect others the same way.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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I'm racing IMFL this year as my first full.... plus taking the family for 9 days so of course hoping for perfect weather ;-)

I've tried not to think about weather yet.... with 4 weeks out a lot could change.... trying to stay focused on my training and logistics/travel..... focused on the control what I can control approach. Hoping the storm won't have too much impact on the local area or people of course.

Good Luck at race and let's keep fingers crossed!
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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by the way I see your race schedule says "injured". Me too. Nice to know I'm not alone!
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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I wasn't aware of the red tide situation... interesting.

So maybe the hurricane clears that all out for us and this is a good thing :)
(that's how I'm going to rationalize it anyway)
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [triguy86] [ In reply to ]
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triguy86 wrote:
by the way I see your race schedule says "injured". Me too. Nice to know I'm not alone!


Had a bike crash over Memorial Day weekend that's been the gift that keeps on giving. First it was all the stitches, bruises, road rash, etc. Then I realized something wasn't right with my shoulder. So I'm having surgery in 3-4 weeks. Which will put me out of commission until next May. So it will have been basically a full year of no swimming, cycling, or running.

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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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I live in Tampa and am from Panama City. This storm is a fast mover. I'm not worried about either the Hurricane or Red Tide effecting the race on 3 Nov.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
I live in Tampa and am from Panama City. This storm is a fast mover. I'm not worried about either the Hurricane or Red Tide effecting the race on 3 Nov.

Thanks for this, always nice to hear this from people in the area, sets a lot of my concerns at ease.

Appreciate it!

-Mike
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [triguy86] [ In reply to ]
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This.. Forget about the hurricane, you should be worried about red tide... That stuff is nasty. We've been getting it in South FL too for the past two weeks and beaches are closed down. We had a kids b-day party at the beach last weekend and everyone was coughing.


triguy86 wrote:
It should also be mentioned that the Panama City/30A area has been dealing with a "red tide" event for like 2 months now. I was in PCB on vacation 2 weeks ago although further West of Boardwalk and there were piles of dead fish and eels all over the beach. The water was super brown in the afternoon but clear in the mornings. It affects everyone differently and it caused me to hack and cough like crazy. Also irritated my skin. Just wanted to make you aware.

What's your CdA?
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [cestmoi] [ In reply to ]
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Agree. I was just down there spectating/sitting on the beach for a few days and it had me hacking constantly. I thought I might be getting sick but then a friend told me he was dealing with the same thing.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [triguy86] [ In reply to ]
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The hurricane, the red tide and all the effects will be long passed by the IM. I live down here so I know.

Panama City is to the West of the storm so it will get the least of the force of the storm. It will also only take a few days, maybe 2 weeks to clean up from a fast moving storm like this.

The worry for IMFL would be the random cold fronts that come through during those times of the year. Those heavy winds can whip the gulf up in a hurry.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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I am in Pensacola but have been that way recently. Red tide is bad, like real bad, right now from Destin on east to Panama City. I think that will be more of an issue that the hurricane. Although, with the hurricane its supposed to cool off drastically (finally) at the end of the week and the combination of that and the storm could alleviate some of the red tide. So, you may get lucky! I don't think damage 3 weeks out will be significant enough. Just my local(ish) opinion.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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Hopefully the storms push out the red tide and race day is perfect. I was there last year and the weather was just a little warm of ideal.

Enjoy the journey, the day and the accomplishment. Best wishes
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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At any day over the last couple years you could visit PCB and say, "Wow, that storm really fucked this place up". But then when you really focus you realize it's just the local construction that is never ending.

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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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The bad news is that it's headed more or less straight at Panama City. Panama City Beach is a few miles west, on the "good" side, but too close for comfort.

The good news is that the transition area is somewhat elevated above sea level. They're saying a storm surge of 12 feet, and memory says the transition area is a bit higher than that (at least it seemed higher when I had to retrieve a bag on the beach post-race!). So transition should avoid flooding if the storm is to the east. A fast-moving storm will bring less surge and cause less wind damage. A good chunk of the run course will be underwater, but we're several weeks out and there's plenty of time for cleanup.

Fingers crossed ....


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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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One more thing to watch out for at IMFL:


https://www.al.com/..._chief_arrested.html


<The Dew Abides>
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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You will make yourself crazy trying to predict Gulf Coast weather even 5 days out. It’s too dynamic. A small, unanticipated storm the night before is more likely to can cancel a swim than damage from a Cat 1 storm two weeks prior.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [Sufenta] [ In reply to ]
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Sufenta wrote:
You will make yourself crazy trying to predict Gulf Coast weather even 5 days out. It’s too dynamic. A small, unanticipated storm the night before is more likely to can cancel a swim than damage from a Cat 1 storm two weeks prior.

True! In 2014 it was warm and sunny for two days before the race, race morning it was windy enough to cancel the swim, below freezing and never got above 55 all day, the following days were warm and sunny again.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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They are now predicting 140-150 mph winds when it makes landfall. It's moving quick so it won't be dumping rain for days like a Harvey or Florence but that wind is going to punch the PC/PCB area pretty hard.

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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I think many of you are underestimating this storm. It will take 2 weeks in some areas to get the power back on. I dread the day St Petersburg has to go through this.

"They know f_ck-all over at Slowtwitch"
- Lionel Sanders
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [Fuller] [ In reply to ]
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Panama City is about to get F'd up, i think everyone is under estimating how much damage and how long it will take to get back to normal..

I hope everyone still gets to race but im sure that is at the bottom of the cities concerns right now

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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [surfNJmatt] [ In reply to ]
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Panama City is about to get F'd up, i think everyone is under estimating how much damage and how long it will take to get back to normal..

I hope everyone still gets to race but im sure that is at the bottom of the cities concerns right now

When I first posted that I did not expect this to affect the race, Michael was only forecast to make landfall as a Category 2 hurricane. Now it is Category 4 and PCB is very close to the bulls-eye. Power will be down for a week or more depending on location and the priority of restoration. But the real issue will be how much water surge damage there is on the PCB hotel infrastructure. E.g., what if the host hotel is taken out? Hotels on the beach side may be closed for weeks or more to make repairs.

It was tough to get up and go to the pool this morning knowing that the race might not happen. But I have my fingers crossed for the residents that their lives and homes are spared.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
surfNJmatt wrote:
Panama City is about to get F'd up, i think everyone is under estimating how much damage and how long it will take to get back to normal..

I hope everyone still gets to race but im sure that is at the bottom of the cities concerns right now


When I first posted that I did not expect this to affect the race, Michael was only forecast to make landfall as a Category 2 hurricane. Now it is Category 4 and PCB is very close to the bulls-eye. Power will be down for a week or more depending on location and the priority of restoration. But the real issue will be how much water surge damage there is on the PCB hotel infrastructure. E.g., what if the host hotel is taken out? Hotels on the beach side may be closed for weeks or more to make repairs.

It was tough to get up and go to the pool this morning knowing that the race might not happen. But I have my fingers crossed for the residents that their lives and homes are spared.

Nailed it.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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Nazgul350r wrote:
HuffNPuff wrote:
surfNJmatt wrote:
Panama City is about to get F'd up, i think everyone is under estimating how much damage and how long it will take to get back to normal..

I hope everyone still gets to race but im sure that is at the bottom of the cities concerns right now


When I first posted that I did not expect this to affect the race, Michael was only forecast to make landfall as a Category 2 hurricane. Now it is Category 4 and PCB is very close to the bulls-eye. Power will be down for a week or more depending on location and the priority of restoration. But the real issue will be how much water surge damage there is on the PCB hotel infrastructure. E.g., what if the host hotel is taken out? Hotels on the beach side may be closed for weeks or more to make repairs.

It was tough to get up and go to the pool this morning knowing that the race might not happen. But I have my fingers crossed for the residents that their lives and homes are spared.


Nailed it.

Agree with this 100%, of course the local residents well-being comes first. I've heard guesstimates that run the gamut, I suppose we won't know until later tonight/tomorrow morning. Optimistically from the race perspective, seems like the storm is turning east a bit already which should reduce storm surge and winds a bit. From a contingency perspective, anyone ever had an Ironman event cancelled this close to race day, this late in the season? Wondering if they're going to let us move to TX or CO, or some other race early next season?

I slept in on a swim too today, feel your pain.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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So far my experience with Ironman is that you are out of luck if race is cancelled. I've done 3 Ironman brand events in the past year. 1 was completely cancelled and 1 had the swim cancelled. In both cases I asked to switch to an upcoming event that had open registration and was basically told, "sucks for you. You cannot switch and we are still keeping your money."
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [Spartan420] [ In reply to ]
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Spartan420 wrote:
So far my experience with Ironman is that you are out of luck if race is cancelled. I've done 3 Ironman brand events in the past year. 1 was completely cancelled and 1 had the swim cancelled. In both cases I asked to switch to an upcoming event that had open registration and was basically told, "sucks for you. You cannot switch and we are still keeping your money."

Yikes... Well, if that's the case, I'd consider this an exercise in education and would probably never consider that brand/series ever again. Just roll back to a different distance, which is less impacting on family/work/life balance anyway.

Which race was completely cancelled?
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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I've only had one experience with a weather affected race - Ironman Texas in 2016. That was the year with epic flooding in Houston that washed out some of the bike course. A few weeks before the race, they determined they could only support a 94 mile bike course. Within a few days of that announcement, they sent everyone an email saying you can transfer to any other North American race that year that was not already sold out. I thought it was pretty cool of them to offer. I did the race anyway, and had a blast. Not sure why they made the exception that year, but many were thankful.

I'm also doing IMFL this year, and hopefully everyone in the area stays safe. And fingers crossed we'll still have the race.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [Spartan420] [ In reply to ]
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Spartan420 wrote:
So far my experience with Ironman is that you are out of luck if race is cancelled. I've done 3 Ironman brand events in the past year. 1 was completely cancelled and 1 had the swim cancelled. In both cases I asked to switch to an upcoming event that had open registration and was basically told, "sucks for you. You cannot switch and we are still keeping your money."

And yet I had 5 athletes racing IM NC 70.3 that was cancelled 2 weeks ago due to hurricane that hit 6 weeks before the event. They were able to cancel the race 2 weeks prior and gave every athlete plenty of options- including any 2019 70.3 of their choosing (or NC 70.3 2019).


What event was completely cancelled? How/why was it cancelled?

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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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B_Doughtie wrote:
What event was completely cancelled? How/why was it cancelled?

NOLA 70.3 was cancelled on race morning last year. A nasty weather system was coming through with high winds, and lightning was striking near transition. After about an hour's delay, they just called it. It was the right call, even though they were criticized for it. They gave us the option of free entry to another 70.3 (Austin?) that was a week or two away, or a free/discounted entry to a RnR event in New Orleans.


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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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Nearing Cat 5 status and PC (not PCB) is going to take a direct hit. PCB isn't on the dirty side of the storm but does it matter that much if it's that close?

That place is about to get whacked hard.

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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [dewman] [ In reply to ]
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That's what I figured, it was essentially the act of God that's in the contract. So essentially I'm guessing if the storm hits now, this wont be the same setup and athletes will be given options. I'm guessing the reason why an race wont give any options to athletes when the race is cancelled day of, is because almost every resource is already spent/used.

I'm guessing for IM NC 70.3, they could atleast negoiate hotels, "government" contracts, etc, race day rentals can be bargained. But day of event cancellation? Eh that's a different manner, and to me more understandable (shitty) but understandable why very few options are given.

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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [Spartan420] [ In reply to ]
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I was on the beach when IM Lake Tahoe was canceled in 2014 due to smoke. They offered 3 options to athletes:

1. Transfer to another 2014 IM event that was open worldwide for a reduced entry fee of $100 (mostly races that we're sold out yet). They listed the number of entries available for this option (ranged from 50-250 entries, depending on the race)
2. Transfer the entry to IM Lake Tahoe the next year for $100 (I chose this due to logistics)
3. Register for a 2015 IM race for 1/2 the entry fee assuming that race was still open.

For options #1 and #2 they listed the race options (there were 7 options for #1 and 8 options for #3).

I'm signed up for IMFL this year too and we'll see what happens. I'm hoping that everyone in the area stays safe.

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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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B_Doughtie wrote:
I'm guessing the reason why an race wont give any options to athletes when the race is cancelled day of, is because almost every resource is already spent/used

That was exactly it, according to the race director. It was race morning and all of the roads had been closed, cops had been hired to protect every intersection over 28 miles, labor and materials to set up transition and post-race party area ... all of the money had been spent. Just terrible luck for a time of year that's usually bluebird skies and cool in N.O.


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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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This picture was taken of the Gulf of Mexico this morning in Orange Beach, AL around 10:30am which is well west of Panama City. The roads on Pensacola Beach were already underwater yesterday afternoon. This is the most fierce that I have ever seen the gulf and the storm surge in this area.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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hard to stay focused and train today..... looks like this is going to be a devastating storm for PCB and just hope everyone is safe. I live in an area that was hit very hard by Sandy so I know what the aftermath of a big storm looks like and right now it's hard to think things will be recovered enough to race..... the area will be dealing with so much and diverting resources to a race will be the last priority. selfishly i'm feeling off today, all this training for my 1st full... all the expense of travel, flights, condos, etc.... but then feeling guilty about worrying about a race while others are dealing with real problems....

I chose Florida over Maryland because of the weather and the fact Maryland had hurricane issues for consecutive years.... after first bad years, IMMD weather was near perfect last 2 years..... so you never know... weather this time of the year on east coast US is always a crap shoot....
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [sunnyla] [ In reply to ]
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I've alread seen a video of an unfinished beach house on PCB crashing down, plus video from a friends house in PC of the winds, but the eye wall landed just east of Tyndall AFB, and so the winds are spinning out to the gulf at PCB and the surf wasn't anywhere near what I had expected to see. Reports from Frank Brown Park is minimal damage. We won't know till later but it looks like Mexico Beach and Apalachicola will be hit hardest. PCB might, fingers crossed, make it out of this one.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like PCB dodged this one for the most part. I'm seeing lots of pics and videos from friends and family in Callaway. A tornado went through and there are a lot of trees down, shingles gone, a few roofs gone, etc. My parents and sister live right on the Callaway bayou in the mandatory evac zone, but they have no storm surge damage (a friend a block up from the water sent photos).
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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MJGuswiler wrote:
[From a contingency perspective, anyone ever had an Ironman event cancelled this close to race day, this late in the season? Wondering if they're going to let us move to TX or CO, or some other race early next season?

The year I did Ironman Maryland (2015) the race was postponed by two weeks due to a hurricane. I remain amazed to this day that Gerry Boyle, the Ironman organization, and the folks of Cambridge, Maryland pulled that off. So there is precedent for postponing a race but it's got to be crazy hard to do.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
Looks like PCB dodged this one for the most part. I'm seeing lots of pics and videos from friends and family in Callaway. A tornado went through and there are a lot of trees down, shingles gone, a few roofs gone, etc. My parents and sister live right on the Callaway bayou in the mandatory evac zone, but they have no storm surge damage (a friend a block up from the water sent photos).

Thanks so much for continuing to providing these updates... I've been keeping my eyes peeled on everything but it's good to be getting updates from people who are close.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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Reports from people in PCB, on site news, etc. is that PCB has sustained remarkably little damage. Roads and power will be an issue for awhile, but I'm betting they will lean over backwards to prioritize electricity to PCB and clean the roads in order to support this event and the money it brings in their off season.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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This video was taken at 1:00 p.m. EST:

https://twitter.com/ntsweather/status/1050066462776406016?s=21


from Pineapple Willy's Restaurant which is literally next door to the Boardwalk Beach Hotel and Convention Center.


At the end of the day, you can't stress over what's out of your control.


Sending good vibes to the locals in Florida! Stay safe!
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [jbailey500] [ In reply to ]
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jbailey500 wrote:
This video was taken at 1:00 p.m. EST:

https://twitter.com/ntsweather/status/1050066462776406016?s=21


from Pineapple Willy's Restaurant which is literally next door to the Boardwalk Beach Hotel and Convention Center.


At the end of the day, you can't stress over what's out of your control.


Sending good vibes to the locals in Florida! Stay safe!

Maybe I'm look at that video through rose colored glasses, but that didn't look nearly as horrible as most of the network news outlets and the weather channel have been making it.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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MJGuswiler wrote:


jbailey500 wrote:
This video was taken at 1:00 p.m. EST:

https://twitter.com/ntsweather/status/1050066462776406016?s=21


from Pineapple Willy's Restaurant which is literally next door to the Boardwalk Beach Hotel and Convention Center.


At the end of the day, you can't stress over what's out of your control.


Sending good vibes to the locals in Florida! Stay safe!


Maybe I'm look at that video through rose colored glasses, but that didn't look nearly as horrible as most of the network news outlets and the weather channel have been making it.

That's what I am thinking too.

However, my feeling is that the race will be cancelled or postponed.

Next races on the schedule: none at the moment
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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people on IMFL facebook page saying PCB took less of a direct hit then expected.... seems that Mexico Beach area sustained much worse damage..... but we'll have to wait until tomorrow and see what everything looks like.... here's a picture of Sunbird Towers, which I believe is near host hotel.... took this off FB, roof is ripped open... heard other local business had roofs blown off too. hope all are ok
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [alex_korr] [ In reply to ]
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First my prayers are with all in the storms path.................the real question for the race is....how long will it be before power is restored? Hotels will be a mess.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [alex_korr] [ In reply to ]
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Found this video...
http://www.wbrc.com/...y-hurricane-michael/

This starts about 1/2 mile west of the host site, and we run along these roads.
At 1:43 of the video, it passes along the host site.
The tower west of the host site had major damage.
The tower east of the host site had roof damage as well.
The video does not specifically show the boardwalk beach resorts.

Thoughts and prayers for all of those who call Panama City Beach home. Wishing them well as they return to their homes in the next couple days to see what Michael might have done to their properties.

Still plan to be in Panama City beach that weekend. Not sure if I'll be racing or volunteering with a clean up crew.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [DDMike] [ In reply to ]
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DDMike wrote:
people on IMFL facebook page saying PCB took less of a direct hit then expected.... seems that Mexico Beach area sustained much worse damage..... but we'll have to wait until tomorrow and see what everything looks like.... here's a picture of Sunbird Towers, which I believe is near host hotel.... took this off FB, roof is ripped open... heard other local business had roofs blown off too. hope all are ok

My reservation is at Sunbird for IMFL this year...Even if the race goes on, not all of the lodging facilities in the area might be ready. Based on that picture, I'm guessing I'm gonna need to pivot.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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Drone footage from PC, not PCB.


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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [DDMike] [ In reply to ]
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Oh man, that is where I was supposed to stay. After seeing all these videos, I would feel awful going up there and racing if there is still the race.
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [MJGuswiler] [ In reply to ]
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For all 2018 IRONMAN Florida athletes, please know IRONMAN officials are also working with the local authorities to assess and closely monitor the situation in Panama City Beach, Florida. IRONMAN remains committed to creating a safe and positive race experience. However, we appreciate your patience as the immediate need is to take care of the local residents. At the appropriate time, IRONMAN will communicate any changes that are necessary for future planned events based on the impact of Hurricane Michael. Athletes are asked to stay tuned to the event’s Facebook page and event website for further updates as they become available.

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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
Looks like PCB dodged this one for the most part. I'm seeing lots of pics and videos from friends and family in Callaway. A tornado went through and there are a lot of trees down, shingles gone, a few roofs gone, etc. My parents and sister live right on the Callaway bayou in the mandatory evac zone, but they have no storm surge damage (a friend a block up from the water sent photos).

I think they dodged it when compared to Mexico Beach, but they still got hit pretty hard. I work at a resort on the Atlantic side of Florida, and Irma had us shut down for a week last year as a category 1 with real minimal damage (mostly water), and the Atlantic coast is set back off the beach a lot further than the Gulf. It's not just PCB that has to be taken care of. Areas around PCB took serious damage. It's going to take more than a week just to get power, let alone clean that area up. Thoughts go out to those in the areas, but I don't see how a race happens there in the next couple weeks.
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Yeah, I hear you. PCB will make the call. There business interests will want it to happen. They took a lot of wind damage but not the much more devastating storm surge damage that had been expected. Look at Mexico Beach to see what that did. By comparison, PCB was unscathed. Meanwhile, let's see what the line crews can do in 10 days .. then it will be apparent whether it is possible or not.
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Yeah I don't mean to be pessimistic, and hope it's a quick recovery. I'm jaded after dealing with Matthew and Irma the past two years, which were nothing in comparison. It's just going to take a whole lot to make it happen, none of which Ironman can do (but they could surely help with recovery efforts). Obviously locals and business owners want the money, especially at that time of the year, but if you open up too early you end up with angry people sadly. Once the dust settles and they can assess the damages there'll be a better idea. I'm just saying I'd put the odds at less than 50/50 there's a race this year.

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If the race is to be cancelled, I hope the RD and IM can make a decision soon for the atheletes. That was the case for the 70.3 in Wilmington that was cancelled due to Florence....and the deferrals were very generous.

I know it's hard to be motivated to train when things are unsettled, but hang tight, and hopefully they will reach a thoughtful decision soon! Sending good thoughts to the panhandle of FL right now. This year has been a doozy for hurricanes.
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I'm also wondering more about the bike course and what happened out in that neck of the woods. We probably won't hear about that for a little bit until roads start re-opening.

For those expecting a quick announcement, the timing of this can't get much worse - you've got most of the IM staff out in Hawaii, and then whoever's not there is probably in Louisville. I would imagine we're not going to hear anything until the tail end of next week at the earliest.

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The RD is local to Panama City. He posted on FB this morning. But yes, it will take over a week to assess, and to determine whether there are sufficient Bay County resources to host the race even if PCB did not suffer anywhere near the level of damage that happened in PC.
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If the race is to be cancelled, I hope the RD and IM can make a decision soon for the atheletes. That was the case for the 70.3 in Wilmington that was cancelled due to Florence....and the deferrals were very generous.

I know it's hard to be motivated to train when things are unsettled, but hang tight, and hopefully they will reach a thoughtful decision soon! Sending good thoughts to the panhandle of FL right now. This year has been a doozy for hurricanes.

Hurricane Florence hit on Sep 13 and the cancellation announcement was Sep 27 ... a full two weeks later. If you think two weeks is "soon" then IM has until 24 Oct to make the call.
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I don't see how they don't cancel the race. PCB got hit hard, but managed to fare the best when compared to surrounding areas. Hopefully seeing as all the resources haven't been spent yet, they'll offer deferrals like NC earlier.

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I don't see how they don't cancel the race. PCB got hit hard, but managed to fare the best when compared to surrounding areas. Hopefully seeing as all the resources haven't been spent yet, they'll offer deferrals like NC earlier.

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Agreed. I don’t care how much IM wants to hold the race in order to support the local economy in the off season, if others have more important priorities.

That’s a great video that depits the main drag- finish line, bike in and bike out. Based on the major damage in that area, I imagine things don’t look that much better a few miles away on the first few miles of the bike course.

I think the chances of the race happening is pretty slim. And based on the condition of the area, cancellation is probably the right call.
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I just saw a FB video and dear god it looked like a bomb had went off, it looked like every neighborhood had 10% of the houses were even left standing, the others were completely whipped out....I dont even know where the video was taken from, but god almighty it was devastating to watch.

Prayers and thoughts to that region (we got our appreciation a month ago when our region got nailed).

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Yeah that was just east of PCB. Mexico Beach and Tyndall AFB got destroyed
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So we've had folks post experience of what happens when IM cancels, but anyone have experience with auxiliary services when IM cancels? I'm thinking specifically TriBike Transport, but there are likely other similar services that folks may be concerned about.

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get your mountain bikes ready....




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ericMPro wrote:
get your mountain bikes ready....


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I know that’s not part of the bike course. Is it part of the run course?

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no, run course is not in that picture, i expect its mexico beach
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The GMAN wrote:
I know that’s not part of the bike course. Is it part of the run course?

No.
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The new NOAA storm damage sat imagery is availble.. ot doesnt look that bad in PCB

https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/michael/index.html#9/29.9014/-85.3239




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I am in Central Florida and the weather people here said it was going to die down and hit a Cat 1 or just under that. When we woke up the next morning it was a Cat 4. I know they get it wrong sometimes but that is a pretty big Oooops. My heart is ripped apart for those people in Mexico City Beach and surrounding areas. I can't imagine having to recover and start over with my family like that.

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Viper966 wrote:
The new NOAA storm damage sat imagery is availble.. ot doesnt look that bad in PCB


https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/michael/index.html#9/29.9014/-85.3239



yes, roads look totally fine and there is very little damage.
I think the big question will be if they are able to restore power fast enough.
does not look very good right now, everything is out:
https://outagemap.gulfpower.com/external/default.html

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I don’t want to be a debbie downer but it’s not just PCB that needs to be repaired for the race to happen. Even though it doesn’t look bad, PCB won’t be ready in time. I work at a resort and during Irma it took over a week to reopen with hardly any structural damage, and a little water damage. Once opened 90% of our rooms were for the electrical guys to have a place to sleep in between their 20 hour days. Irma was a thunderstorm compared to what hit the panhandle.
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Even if the roads are passible in the area and things can get up and running, a big problem is the ability get police, medics, etc. for the race. Once the power crews and police are done with one area, they will be pulled to a neighboring area that still needs help. And boy do some of those areas need help. Some of the hardest hit areas will be without power for weeks and are currently under boil water orders. Local law enforcement is going to be working on restoration efforts and handing out meals and supplies for quite some time.

Last year after Irma, they had to cancel Escape to Miami just because they couldn’t pull resources away from people in the state who still needed help. Downtown Miami was totally okay by the time the race would have happened. But, they cancelled it because of the amount of resources needed to close down streets, assist athletes, etc. And that race was only an olympic.
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Good insight. Mexico Beach is gone. It will be years to restore that town.
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Could always switch to a local race. (no affiliation)


First I would like to say our thoughts are with everyone impacted by the storm. We are so fortunate here in Central Florida that we escaped this one. Having been hit by several hurricanes ourselves, we realize how tough it can be to regroup and recover.
We know first hand that Mother Nature does not always cooperate when it comes to racing and events. It takes a tremendous amount of training and dedication to ready yourself for a full distance triathlon and we do not wish to see athletes lose out on an opportunity to race a full distance triathlon when they are race ready. With the possibility that this year's Ironman Florida event could be canceled or altered, we have have decided to offer athletes registered for this year's IM Florida event a $100 discount on the full distance 28th Great Floridian Triathlon should they wish to race. If you are an IMFL athlete interested in taking advantage of this offer, please email info@SommerSports.com.
We are also offering discounted entry into the Florida XtremeTri to all participants of the 2018 IMFL event. While not a standard full distance triathlon, nor a traditional triathlon experience, it is still a great way to reward yourself for all the training and sacrifices you made over the summer getting ready for IMFL. We're offering a $100 discount off of each single stage event, or $500 off the entire three stage, 300+ mile race across Florida. We also have shared crew members available to assist you with your journey if need be. Email info@SommerSports.com for details. Additional details on the race can be found at www.FloridaXtremeTriathlon.com
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Re: IMFL and the Upcoming Weather event [rjrankin] [ In reply to ]
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I knew you'd bring some logic over here!

Everybody keeps focusing on PCB when it's a matter of not just there, but that 50+ mile or so radius around there impacted by the race, along with whether or not emergency services can adequately support both the race and the entire community.

That being said - if you're signed up for the race - until it's off, it's on. Head down, do work, and finish off your training blocks. If it gets cancelled - based on track record, WTC will do a pretty good job of taking care of you. Obviously auxiliary services are a bit of a different story on taken up on a vendor by vendor basis. I anticipate losing my original reservation fee for a set of race wheels. Think that's a fair price to pay for their loss in revenue, too.

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timr wrote:
I am in Central Florida and the weather people here said it was going to die down and hit a Cat 1 or just under that. When we woke up the next morning it was a Cat 4. I know they get it wrong sometimes but that is a pretty big Oooops. My heart is ripped apart for those people in Mexico City Beach and surrounding areas. I can't imagine having to recover and start over with my family like that.

I'm not sure what you were watching, but they were forecasting it making shore as a Cat 3 at least 2 days before landfall. The sudden strengthening to almost Cat 5 levels caught people off guard, I think, but they had issued evac orders, due to major hurricane at least the day before.
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Yeah this thread is more realistic than FB at least. Bay County doesn’t even have water right now, and doesn’t know when it will be restored. They’re not letting people back in right now, and probably won’t until they at least have water. It’s tough to compare storms and areas, but it took my parents county a week to regain water from Irma (a cat 1). They shut down all exits on 95 in GA last year until they at least had water. I hope they let you guys defer, and you’re not out much. I plan on being there next year. I’ve seen some condos contact people saying they’d get refunded but all that is going to take a lot of time being pretty low priority.
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Saw this, but coming in from out of town means these races aren't really possible. The gesture is nice, but logistics prohibit a switch at this point. The plan for now is to train as if the race is on, and if it's not, relax as if I'd done it anyway.

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Some members of Tri Gulf Coast are thinking about setting up a DIY event. Probably around Pensacola beach.
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from Ironman this morning:

Dear IRONMAN Florida Athletes:

As the extent of the damage to Panama City Beach and surrounding Bay County has become apparent over the last several days, it is clear there is a low probability of our being able to conduct the 2018 IRONMAN Florida as scheduled.

Our thoughts and primary consideration are with the area, which has played host to literally thousands of athletes over the long history of IRONMAN Florida, as well as the Gulf Coast Triathlon. Many of us have built long-standing relationships and friendships within the community.

IRONMAN is working on alternatives to try and ensure a race experience for our registered athletes and in parallel support the people of Panama City Beach and Bay County.

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you beat me to it.

sounds like a combination of either postponement or deferrals

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Agreed. A hint at re-shuffling travel plans early enough.
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Man, I am so conflicted. PCB is rapidly coming back. Per Gulf Power they will have 100% power by Monday night. Walmart, Publix and a bunch of restaurants alreay open. Most of that town will be open by midweek. But the county is hosed. I am going up to PC next weekend to help family with their damaged homes. And I have hernia surgery scheduled on 8 Nov. So this year is over for me. Selfishly, a transfer to 2019 would be most helpful for me, but if they were any way to hold the race I know the community could use the money. I'm overcome by sadness for my hometown!
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Postpone it till when though?

I have done IMFL a few times, and it was my 1st IM so it will always hold a special place to me, but the weather was always iffy in November it won't be any better to worst in remaining off-season months of Dec, Jan, or Feb.
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Postpone till next year makes sense. Move it back 2-4 weeks does what for participants? Vacation time taken, rentals booked, airfare...moving the race back doesn't seem to make sense. Plus the idea of riding my $$$bike past some folks' demolished homes makes me a little queasy.

Best bet would be deferrals to next years race, combine the 2018 and 2019 Kona slots so you'll guarantee a sell-out, use a portion of the extra participant $ for a local relief fund.
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anthonypat wrote:
Move it back 2-4 weeks does what for participants? Vacation time taken, rentals booked, airfare...moving the race back doesn't seem to make sense. .

Moving the race by 2 weeks worked pretty well at IM Maryland in 2015.

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anthonypat wrote:
Move it back 2-4 weeks does what for participants? Vacation time taken, rentals booked, airfare...moving the race back doesn't seem to make sense. .


Moving the race by 2 weeks worked pretty well at IM Maryland in 2015.

the difference being IM Maryland was delayed because of flooding, IMFL possible move/ cancellation is because of death and destruction of a hurricane.
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anthonypat wrote:
japarker24 wrote:
anthonypat wrote:
Move it back 2-4 weeks does what for participants? Vacation time taken, rentals booked, airfare...moving the race back doesn't seem to make sense. .


Moving the race by 2 weeks worked pretty well at IM Maryland in 2015.


the difference being IM Maryland was delayed because of flooding, IMFL possible move/ cancellation is because of death and destruction of a hurricane.

You asked "does what for participants" (see up there ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^). You didn't ask about the local residents. I responded to your question (as a 2015 IM Maryland participant).

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anthonypat wrote:
Postpone till next year makes sense. Move it back 2-4 weeks does what for participants? Vacation time taken, rentals booked, airfare...moving the race back doesn't seem to make sense. Plus the idea of riding my $$$bike past some folks' demolished homes makes me a little queasy.

Best bet would be deferrals to next years race, combine the 2018 and 2019 Kona slots so you'll guarantee a sell-out, use a portion of the extra participant $ for a local relief fund.
That would be cancelling 2018 IMFL, not postponing it
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If you read my whole post you'd see I mentioned possible postponement PLUS the destruction at hand does not seem to make sense. You're answering a question that was rhetorical, though you may have missed that. I apologize for not being clearer.
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anthonypat wrote:
Postpone till next year makes sense. Move it back 2-4 weeks does what for participants? Vacation time taken, rentals booked, airfare...moving the race back doesn't seem to make sense. Plus the idea of riding my $$$bike past some folks' demolished homes makes me a little queasy.

Best bet would be deferrals to next years race, combine the 2018 and 2019 Kona slots so you'll guarantee a sell-out, use a portion of the extra participant $ for a local relief fund.


I agree with this completely, a bunch of well to do triathletes riding there bikes past people with no home left most likely no job for lots is not a good visual.

I think its best to let people deer or transfer to something in 2019.

I know its tough for the people who trained but...... they can always go down and volunteer

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Got this email. New info is that they commit to come out with news on tuesday.
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Dear IRONMAN Florida Athletes:

As the extent of the damage to Panama City Beach and surrounding Bay County has become apparent over the last several days, it is clear there is a low probability of our being able to conduct the 2018 IRONMAN Florida as scheduled.

Our thoughts and primary consideration are with the area, which has played host to literally thousands of athletes over the long history of IRONMAN Florida, as well as the Gulf Coast Triathlon. Many of us have built long-standing relationships and friendships within the community.

IRONMAN is working on alternatives to try and ensure a race experience for our registered athletes and in parallel support the people of Panama City Beach and Bay County.

The IRONMAN Foundation has launched a Humanitarian Relief Effort campaign to raise funds in response to Hurricane Michael in Panama City Beach. As part of the campaign, the IRONMAN Foundation has pledged $50,000 to support local recovery efforts. Join us in supporting the Hurricane Michael Humanitarian Relief efforts in three different ways - make a DONATION; BUY a custom Humanitarian Relief T-Shirt to support recovery efforts; and VOLUNTEER for local service projects, providing hands-on rebuilding assistance as our friends in this area that look to recover during this difficult time.

For full details on the IRONMAN Foundation Michael Relief Effort and how to donate, purchase t-shirts or volunteer, visit http://www.ironmanfoundation.org/relief

There will be a formal announcement at the end of business on Tuesday, October 16 to inform registered athletes of next steps in relation to the 20th anniversary event. We ask for your patience until that time.

Thank you for your understanding and please keep the people of Panama City Beach and Bay County in your thoughts over the coming days and weeks.

IRONMAN
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Postpone it till when though?

I have done IMFL a few times, and it was my 1st IM so it will always hold a special place to me, but the weather was always iffy in November it won't be any better to worst in remaining off-season months of Dec, Jan, or Feb.

I raced IMFL seven times. Each time the weather was ideal. Only once in 19 years did they have to cancel the swim. Aside from IMAZ, IMFL has perhaps the most consistent weather. Especially in early November. So I wouldn’t agree with it being characterized as “iffy”.
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anthonypat wrote:
Move it back 2-4 weeks does what for participants? Vacation time taken, rentals booked, airfare...moving the race back doesn't seem to make sense. .

Moving the race by 2 weeks worked pretty well at IM Maryland in 2015.

One issue is that Daylight Savings time ends the day after IMFL scheduled race date. So some other things get messy for later finishers when it's getting dark at 4:30pm and you're talking getting volunteer out on course an hour earlier and...
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Nazgul350r wrote:
"https://www.facebook.com/...859805&width=500"


Could always switch to a local race. (no affiliation)


First I would like to say our thoughts are with everyone impacted by the storm. We are so fortunate here in Central Florida that we escaped this one. Having been hit by several hurricanes ourselves, we realize how tough it can be to regroup and recover.
We know first hand that Mother Nature does not always cooperate when it comes to racing and events. It takes a tremendous amount of training and dedication to ready yourself for a full distance triathlon and we do not wish to see athletes lose out on an opportunity to race a full distance triathlon when they are race ready. With the possibility that this year's Ironman Florida event could be canceled or altered, we have have decided to offer athletes registered for this year's IM Florida event a $100 discount on the full distance 28th Great Floridian Triathlon should they wish to race. If you are an IMFL athlete interested in taking advantage of this offer, please email info@SommerSports.com.
We are also offering discounted entry into the Florida XtremeTri to all participants of the 2018 IMFL event. While not a standard full distance triathlon, nor a traditional triathlon experience, it is still a great way to reward yourself for all the training and sacrifices you made over the summer getting ready for IMFL. We're offering a $100 discount off of each single stage event, or $500 off the entire three stage, 300+ mile race across Florida. We also have shared crew members available to assist you with your journey if need be. Email info@SommerSports.com for details. Additional details on the race can be found at www.FloridaXtremeTriathlon.com



This is a great gesture so thank you.

Considering the devastating impact to the communities (because of the hurricane), it seems the best option is to cancel the race in PCB (and surrounding areas used for the race). But, so many athletes have already used vacation time, and many international athletes have already made plans to fly in to the U.S. If Ironman was smart, it seems their best option would be to try and coordinate some type of action with your race (GFT) so athletes could still race the iron distance. It would be a logistical headache for many but may be better than losing the chance to race altogether.

Edit: just noticed GFT is this coming weekend. For some reason, I thought the GFT and IMFL were the same weekend. So, this makes things even more difficult for international travelers, and others, who cannot change vacation/holiday time.
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