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New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip
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SpeedSip is new type of water bottle. You can drink out of it in absolute aero position. You can carry it in any cage. Simple. Straightforward. Eric Lagerstrom was winning with it in Santa Cruz. He was drinking from the one on the aero bar and swapped the full one from behind the saddle. See the next photo below. There are plenty of options. In a 70.3 you can carry all you need and drink in uninterrupted aero position. On the long distance; if you want to carry your extras like carbs or electrolytes in a separate bottle you will be better off with SpeedSip. Check it out on Facebook: SpeedSip.



Eric Lagerstrom under way to his victory with SpeedSip.


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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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Hi windschatten,

Thank you very much for your response.

1. SpeedSip was designed originally to carry it in any cages as a regular water bottle.
2. You can drink from it holding it upside down and stay in aero position.
3. SpeedSip is not available yet. If it will earn its reputation on its own merit I will organizing a crowd funding campaign at Kickstarter to make SpeedSip available for everyone. (It is not by chance that it is not existing yet. Actually, to make the reversed spout is very tricky!)
4. If you go to SpeedSip at Facebook there you can see a "gif" that shows a rider drinking from SpeedSip from behind the saddle. This video is not edited in any way (except the gif loop).

Thanks again,
Peter Szedlacsek

Eric Lagerstrom on a trainer practicing with SpeedSip.



Eric's rig before the start at Santa Cruz.


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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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So you basically registered to Spam the Forum with your new product.

29 years and counting
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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The second set of pictures make more sense. If you are going to advertise, use those. The first pic and description just make it look like an old speedfil missing a straw.

So is it available or not?? You says it is but then say you need a Go fund me....???
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks DFW_Tri,

I updated my response.
SpeedSip is rather an "idea" at the moment. It is existing in 6 copies, made by 3D printing.
If riders will like it I will move on with the Kickstarter campaign to make it happen.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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i dont get it. I mean i get what you're trying to do, but I dont see the improvement over any other hydration option currently available. Its clearly not disposable, so its no good for bottle swapping on long courses, nor can it be easily refilled while racing, so it is no good for anything over oly distance where 1 or 2 bottles is enough hydration for the race. but it seems like a lot more work then the BTA + straw systems most people already have who aren't bottle swapping.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [tfleeger] [ In reply to ]
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Not to you specifically, but I can see this being good for people who concentrate their nutrition, and so don’t throw their bottles away during a race.

I’d throw a few $$ at this if went to Kickstarter.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [tfleeger] [ In reply to ]
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Improvement? No. But it is different. It may be minor—-but then again, the differences between all these products is—-but I do find the angle at which I sometimes have to tilt a bottle to get liquid out annoying, especially if riding aero. Again, I realize this is minor stuff in the grand scheme, but I could see some utility for this product provided it is priced correctly (maybe $10-15 for the cap itself)
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [tfleeger] [ In reply to ]
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SpeedSip will be disposable and replaceable. Read my lips: it will be in the price range of a regular water bottle.
The point is that it is not a direct competitor to any fixed hydration system at the front.

What SpeedSip does: it makes drinking from a replaceable bottle closer to the ideal situation: “drinking in aero position at uninterrupted speed”.

Now the question is: will this improvement bring in any advantage?
It depends on preferences, distance, weather and so on:
refill or replace; carry what you need and avoid stations; or tote the minimum and grab on the fly.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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pszedlacsek wrote:
SpeedSip will be disposable and replaceable. Read my lips: it will be in the price range of a regular water bottle.
The point is that it is not a direct competitor to any fixed hydration system at the front.

What SpeedSip does: it makes drinking from a replaceable bottle closer to the ideal situation: “drinking in aero position at uninterrupted speed”.

Now the question is: will this improvement bring in any advantage?
It depends on preferences, distance, weather and so on:
refill or replace; carry what you need and avoid stations; or tote the minimum and grab on the fly.

explain to me how that works. I'm racing, I have2 bottles with speedsip nipples, they're both empty and I'm am coming up to an aid station. Explain the process for leaving that aid station with at least 1 full bottle with a speedsip nipple.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [tfleeger] [ In reply to ]
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1. Throw away your empty SpeedSip.
2. Grab a SpeedSip that is full.
3. Push it into the empty cage with one move. (No hassle with refill!)
4. Done.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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Oh, you plan to make a cheap disposable version of this?? That may be interesting
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Absolutely.
SpeedSip will be disposable with indispensable aero advantage.

You don't have to brake into your piggy bank to get another one.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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DFW_Tri wrote:
The second set of pictures make more sense. If you are going to advertise, use those. The first pic and description just make it look like an old speedfil missing a straw.

So is it available or not?? You says it is but then say you need a Go fund me....???

Yeah, to me it just looks like a non-refillable Speedfil. Design similarities aside, the name seems a bit derivative as well.

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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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ooohh.. okay, so ALL the bottles at the race will have the speedfill ( or at least they will be an available option at the aid stations). Well if you can make that happen then the system make a lot more sense, but I think that will be a big ask. good luck though!
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like a solution in search of a problem. Then again, triathletes will buy anything so you'll likely become a gazzilionaire.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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I think you missed the part where he said both bottles are empty. Unless (as earlier mentioned) the race gives out SpeedSip bottles.

Strava
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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pszedlacsek wrote:
Absolutely.
SpeedSip will be disposable with indispensable aero advantage.

You don't have to brake into your piggy bank to get another one.

So are there any green credentials for this product ?

The oceans are already heaving with plastic.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Totally agree. Still trying to work out why anyone would have the need for one and or actually buy it???
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [tfleeger] [ In reply to ]
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tfleeger,
Thanks!
A couple (thousands) more “ooohh..okay” like yours and we will rock and roll! Yes, SpeedSip should be distributed to race organizers too.
Actually, you and all the fellow triathletes can make this happen. As I wrote before I want to do this in a crowd funded project ( Kickstarter) and a project like that depends on the support of the community that will benefit from its result.
So, spread the news and stay tuned.
Thanks again.

Grabbing SpeedSip from the cage on the down tube. Holding it in the upside down way and drinking out of it in aero position.


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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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But i can do that with a standard bottle too...
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [captain-tri] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks captain-tri,

You got the point.
You can carry an extra water bottle for many reasons.
And if you would like to keep this bottle for the whole ride and drink from it directly then you will be better off with SpeedSip.
Please spread the news about SpeedSip and stay tuned for the Kickstarter campaign.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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I think it is a clever idea and I can see this for personal use but not in a race. Basically whenever I use "my" bottles.

You would distribute the cap to race organizers, the get people to swap the caps of all bottles they got, and we end up with more plastic garbage at the end? I hope I misunderstood you since that would be far from ideal.

Cheers.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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i can see the benefit in easy drinking while in aero position but i just don't get how it works as a long course, replacement bottle. you'd need to get race organisers to shell out for them and that will be tough to extract more money from them. even then, people with refillable hydration systems won't want to be given one of these bottles as it doesn't look like it would work for refilling most systems. organisers aren't going to want to have normal bottles plus speedsip at aid stations. so you need to make it cheap enough to be completely disposable for long course ie start with a speedsip but then exchange it for a standard bottle - $10 would be fine but you'll struggle to make much of a profit.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [logella] [ In reply to ]
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People love this saying around here. Look I’m not saying this thing is gonna save you minutes but in a sport where we are looking for minor improvements in every product I see potential here. It is annoying—again, I’m keeping this in perspective—-to tilt a bottle up and crane your neck etc when riding in aerobars. That’s a legitimate annoyance at least for me. This appears to help. So I think the overused saying is again inapplicable here.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks windschatten and DFW_Tri,

Please keep in mind: SpeedSip will be in the disposable price range.
If its usage will reach a certain level (10%=> 20%=>30% =>???) among triathletes we can approach race organizers to stock it at aid stations.
Then 1.) Throw the empty; 2.) Grab a full one; 3.) Done.
Of course, race organizers should provide reasonable garbage collection/recycling after the race.

SpeedSip from BTS. You can keep it next to your face like a cell phone. But don't talk, just drink ( :)) !


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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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I'm generally not one to rain on peoples' parades when they're trying to get all innovative with new products, so first off... hats off to you for trying. That said, I'm not sure I understand the product strategy. I can't really see how you're going to convince PepsiCo (parent of Gatorade) to replace their $0.00000001 plastic top with a $15 top (and redesign their bottle to accomodate it) for every bottle of Gatorade that's served on course in a triathlon. Barring that, will race organizers be responsible for transferring the 20,000 or so bottles of gatorade from the bottles they are delivered in by PepsiCo into new bottles with SpeedSip tops on them? That seems unlikely. Then you have the whole issue of throwing away thousands of these things after every race. I'm struggling to see how this is a disposable product in any way at all. Functionally, it's not my thing at all, as I've never had an issue drinking from either a regular bottle or a Gatorade bottle while in the aero bars, but that's neither here no there. If you can't figure out a product/sales strategy everything else is somewhat secondary.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [el gato] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for your comments.
SpeedSip will be available as a complete unit: bottle body and cap.
Any one can have it who wants to carry water bottle either as primary resource / extra capacity / separate container for specialties.
Although its price will be in the "disposable range" it should not have to be disposed.
Actually, it is very easy to clean an re-use. The cap can be disassembled and washed. Even the membrane can be replaced.
There are no hidden spaces, inner structures, tubing, whatsoever.






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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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pszedlacsek wrote:
Thanks for your comments.
SpeedSip will be available as a complete unit: bottle body and cap.
Any one can have it who wants to carry water bottle either as primary resource / extra capacity / separate container for specialties.
Although its price will be in the "disposable range" it should not have to be disposed.
Actually, it is very easy to clean an re-use. The cap can be disassembled and washed. Even the membrane can be replaced.
There are no hidden spaces, inner structures, tubing, whatsoever.

I love this idea. ship me some and I can spread the word for you and help you promote.
Save by not selling as a complete unit, (we all have too many bottles) sell caps and stickers. Forget the bottles.

That being said.... I can't see this working when swapping out bottles at an aid station.

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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [D_PRC] [ In reply to ]
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Dear D_PRC,

Thanks for your comment, help and your offer.

I absolutely agree with you: the novelty of SpeedSip is only in the cap and dealing with the cap only would make your, mine and everybody else's life easier.

Unfortunately, the cycling water bottle is not a strictly controlled and standardized product. As a screaming example please consider the bottles in the picture enclosed below. I bought all of them in USA. All of them are cycling water bottle! Look how the shoulders are differing that supposed to keep the bottle in the cage. It is not so visible but the story is the same with the cap thread. There are a few "families" that are obviously different but even within the same "family" there are annoying variations. I searched countless bike shops and tested even more bottles and I came to the (painful) conclusion:

In order to make sure that SpeedSip will work it should come as a complete unit.

I selected a the most common thread to fit and the best bottle shape to minimize "rocket launching". I do not want any one risking his/her "race of my life" due to a wrong bottle cap.
If you or any one else who get this deep in this post has any idea to how to bypass this; I am open to any suggestion.
SpeedSip will be a product only if it has added value.

Thanks again and keep in touch.


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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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There's definitely a threading that a lot of water bottles use. That's how the Speedfil A2 can be used on other bottles.

Strava
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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pszedlacsek wrote:
Dear D_PRC,

Thanks for your comment, help and your offer.

I absolutely agree with you: the novelty of SpeedSip is only in the cap and dealing with the cap only would make your, mine and everybody else's life easier.

Unfortunately, the cycling water bottle is not a strictly controlled and standardized product. As a screaming example please consider the bottles in the picture enclosed below. I bought all of them in USA. All of them are cycling water bottle! Look how the shoulders are differing that supposed to keep the bottle in the cage. It is not so visible but the story is the same with the cap thread. There are a few "families" that are obviously different but even within the same "family" there are annoying variations. I searched countless bike shops and tested even more bottles and I came to the (painful) conclusion:

In order to make sure that SpeedSip will work it should come as a complete unit.

I selected a the most common thread to fit and the best bottle shape to minimize "rocket launching". I do not want any one risking his/her "race of my life" due to a wrong bottle cap.
If you or any one else who get this deep in this post has any idea to how to bypass this; I am open to any suggestion.
SpeedSip will be a product only if it has added value.

Thanks again and keep in touch.

Makes sense, I too have many water bottles with varying sized lids and standards.


Gatorade bottle vs F2C bottle. My F2C bottle sucks.

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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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At least three other people have mentioned this in the thread and you have yet to respond to their comments, I'm hoping you will to this. Please explain why anyone, any environment, any municipality putting on a race need thousands more throw-away plastic bottles when the oceans are rolling in plastic already and we're eating it in our food on a regular basis. It's not enough to come up with a product that is useful when your solution for refilling is to just throw it away. I don't think that's a strategy that will be very successful anywhere. If that's not your strategy then please explain how you're going to handle the recycling issue and how you're not going to be adding to plastic waste.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [GrisGris] [ In reply to ]
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GrisGris

I agree and I also prefer fish than plastic from the ocean.
Racers will bring their SpeedSip to the event and and take it back home like they are doing now with their regular water bottle.
The "its price is disposable" means cheap but not in any way should it be disposed. If this was not clear, sorry, my bad.

It SpeedSip will be popular I can see the following scenario at aid station:
You leave your "non-branded" empty SpeedSip at the station pick up a new SpeedSip that is full and branded with the name, date of the race, ads of the local race sponsors, etc.
I am sure folks will hold on to this which means everybody will do the "garbage collection" happily and voluntarily.
The help station would work rather like an exchange station (one in - one out) = no net change. (Actually, this is recycling.)
This would result in way much less garbage than the present day "give away and throw away" system driven by big vendors.

For this;
A.) SpeedSip will be strictly standardized, you will pick up the same what you left.
B.) SpeedSip will be cheap that you won't feel risking too much with the exchange, you will be willing to do it.

I am sure this will be good for planet Earth.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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Here is the gripe many folks have with self marketing forum posters. Pretty much nothing gets contributed and there is just fishing for customers, and often when they finally see success, these folks often then shit on slowtwitch and the forum.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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And what is done with all the bottles left at aid stations? No race is going to collect them all and wash them to be reused.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [Herbert] [ In reply to ]
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Dear Herbert,

Don’t take me wrong! SpeedSip is not a product! It is an idea.
I turned to this forum because the members have immeasurable knowledge about triathlon.
My first contribution is a question: Look, here is a new type of water bottle. Does it make sense?

Another important point: I am not a company.
My second contribution is a suggestion: If there is enough interest then a crowd funding project can be organized. Triathletes, this community can support something that will be good for them. Basically, this is the only way to bring this to life.
Otherwise, me and a few of my friends will use the prototypes until they last because, honestly, it is much better to drink out of it.

I am asking yours and everybody else’s advice and I trust in the collective wisdom of Slowtwich.

Regards,
Peter
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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I saw Lagerstrom racing with this. It's a great idea! Is it still just a prototype? I would like to try it out. I'm not fully satisfied with the filling procedure of an integrated hydration system. When racing I don't want to play that filling game and lose precious time, focus and I don't want to get out of my rhytm what can cause several minutes loss. I'm very curious about maeasuring the two way to myself for a 70.3. Anyone can estimate the difference between the two way of drinking at the 70.3 or the full distance?
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [Tyler54] [ In reply to ]
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Several minutes loss for a 10second exercise to fill your bta when you have to sit up to get a bottle at an aid station and your still pedalling just out of aero? I seriously don't get how this is any advantage over a standard bottle???
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Shambolic wrote:
Several minutes loss for a 10second exercise to fill your bta when you have to sit up to get a bottle at an aid station and your still pedalling just out of aero? I seriously don't get how this is any advantage over a standard bottle???

I mean several minutes because of loosing focus and rhytm... Btw no one can avoid using a 'normal bottle'. I usually carry 3 for a long distance race, 2 behind the saddle, it is proven to be aerodinamically faster than riding without anything behind you. It seems obvious that you can be better off with the speedsip, it lets you hold both the bottle and your head more comfortable. It can be perfect for holding my extra gels since I don’t need to replace that bottle at the aid station during the race. I'd definitely like to try and find it out what is the smoothest and fastest way of drinking/refilling.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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The Kickstarter page is up - https://www.kickstarter.com/...ct&term=speedsip

Next races on the schedule: none at the moment
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [alex_korr] [ In reply to ]
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alex_korr wrote:
The Kickstarter page is up - https://www.kickstarter.com/...ct&term=speedsip

Thanks Alex for the link, I checked it! I will try to fit two speedsip bottles to my hydration plan: one for my gels, one for my electrolites/iso and I will carry water in the built in system. I'm planning to do my hot races like 70.3 Bintan and IM Cozumel with this setup. Opinions?
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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So what type of thread did you decide on??
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Dear DFW_Tri

SpeedSip has a generic cap-bottle thread that will work with the majority of the bottles but I can not guarantee that it will fit to all the bottles.
Simply, there are too many variation.
That is why it will be produced as a complete matching unit: cap + bottle.

Nevertheless, I tested several brand bottles with SpeedSip cap. Some of them are ok, some of them not. Here is a short list:

CamelBak = OK
Polar Bottle = OK
Specialized Purist = OK

Performance = NO
ZEFAL (Eropean) = NO

The other issue is the bottle + cage compatibility. The situation is even worst. The concept of "rocket launching behind the saddle" is well known.
I selected the bottle shoulder design that fits well to a good quality cage (like Blackburn Cinch) with no issues on a bumpy road or railroad crossing.
Please send me an e-mail for the details.
Thanks.
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Re: New Option In Your Hydration Arsenal: SpeedSip [pszedlacsek] [ In reply to ]
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Hello

super product, congrats
First time I saw a picture of Lagerstrom drinking like that (Santa Cruz, or training, don't remember) I said to myself "great idea".

I tested the position and apart the aero advantage, I see another bigger reason to use it : you keep your eyes on the road
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