are you the blogger that caught her initially? i read this on Marathon Investigation this morning, and man some of the things she says are disturbing.

What a piece of work that one is. She cut the course and claims victory, gets caught the denies, then edits files to try and match the course, then admits that probably they hate people from Arizona and sent her on the wrong course. The cheating in this one goes deep, and super glad she is not my kids teacher.

The vitriol she spewed at the end was so classless that I now think this should all be brought to her bosses attention. Let them know who they really have working for them..

I love how almost all of you now have to have a gadget to race with, all she had to do was just race blind and her cheating ways would never have been known. And then to post up the evidence of her cheating online, and she is a teacher, priceless...

Wow. Just, wow. I got onto her FB page and started 'liking' one or two of the comments pointing out the problems with her 'explanations' and I was quickly blocked. A teacher. Geesh.

WOW!!!! That's some fucked-up Mike Rossi-level abuse [I won't re-post the screenshot, out of respect for you]

And bad fucking grammar/spelling, besides

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Things like this are so interesting from a personality/psychology perspective. Did she knowingly cut the bike course, or accidentally do it and then got so much validation from the results, that she either convinced herself she didn't cheat or decided to lash out at anyone calling her out for cheating (even if it was inadvertent) rather than admitting the mistake (or the wrong doing)? Then going so far as to edit the ride, then doubling down and resorting to name calling when continued to be called out.

A stark contrast to some of the posts I've seen where someone accidentally cut the course and then DQ'd themselves once they realized it.

I had no idea there was a cold war between Cali and Arizona. You learn something new every day.

She's unhinged and it's disturbing. Can only hope she gets help.

Next thing you know, she'll be punching someone at a Kenny Chesney concert

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Rather that than the alternatives that she alludes too.

Very interesting read. Thanks for sharing.

I'm mid 30's and it still baffles me, how to manipulate an post workout garmin file, but I guess I'm very non-tech savy with stuff like that.

ETA: Like how to make sure you covered every detail of the new corrupted file so that it's a seamless no questions asks new workout file, is above my pay grade.

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Exercise Physiology
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BTW: He's had a couple other triathlon stories on there

https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/category/triathlon

... but nothing like this

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

both in San Diego area ? Giving SD a bad name eventhough she was from AZ

Let's say she accidentally cut the bike course and didn't realize it. A person of reasonably sound mind when informed by the RD might initially be upset but then realize when they looked at their data that they made a mistake and didn't ride the entire course. They would admit their mistake or just keep their mouth shut rather than becoming unhinged and threatening everybody.

No I didn't catch her... Even though day of race I suspected something strange people getting the course CR with the shorter distance race, I shrugged it off thinking it was a Strava glitch.


Yes there is, many "zonies" come here to escape the heat and trash the beaches

All she did was manually change the total distance. Of course, the plots all ended early, so it was a pretty dumb coverup.

The easiest way to tag on the extra distance is to go back out there, ride the extra 6 miles, then merge the two workout files. The date/time stamps in the tcx file would reveal your cheatery, but strava would not give you away. Some sort of python script could go through every line of the second ride and adjust the date/times to match the first ride. If you do every second recording, it would be easy to do it manually.

F that... I'd rather DQ myself... even easier

I've never worked directly with .fit files, but if one were to convert it to .gpx you could import it into your favorite GIS software, edit/add vertices to the polyline along the known course, then add data into the attributes so the new vertices have manipulated metrics, and then when you import it back into garmin/strava it should look normal. . . I think :))

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That's what I mean, like if you don't "cover it up" properly you look like an doofus. You can't just change the end miles because the graph/gps points will still show only 12 mile ride, etc. So then it kinda makes you think....if someone really can doctor a file properly, how would you know the difference?

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I was going to look at the results after reading her initial post about 3 minutes behind the males pro coming off injury and a hospital stay. Went to look at the results... why are there no swim times for anyone?

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Or Photoshop the screenshot

I think that's what the original T3 did, but I could be wrong

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"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

No double letters in name... clearly this means she's innocent.

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Didn’t she say she was 3 minutes behind top male pro but 12th in her division?! Wow. That’s one tough female age group!

I think it's just a glitch on the timing website. If you click on individual athletes it shows their swim times.

She missed a chip mat. That alone is enough to take a second look.

In general though, at a certain point, it is impossible. As detailed above, you can completely fabricate an entire ride by hand. Getting more advanced, but certainly easy enough for a clever coder, you could feed a path into some software which would the learn the elevation profile. You could tell it your desired average power or speed, usual cadence range and some sort of graph of your usual heart rate vs. power. All of these (location, power, speed, HR, cadence) could then be included in the final FIT file with some believable amount of variation.

Wow, she's nuts. What are the odds she's not married?

Great, thanks for the detailed explanation.

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Piece of work there, but honestly, I feed sorry for her.


She sounds like a strictly recreational triathlete/athlete who was just out to have a good time, and unfortunately hugely overreacted to a reasonable sounding investigation of her results. I'll guarantee she has no idea what kind of a clusterbomb she was walking into when she started the errant road of falsely justifying/faking her results to an audience of hardcore triathletes and race-checkers.

Someone however should gently point out to her, though that if she was 3 minutes behind the male pro bike split, she would really, really know that she was fast. Like, she would literally be passing everyone on the bike course like they were standing still, and literally nobody should have passed her at any point.

I've definitely know some very sane, reasonable people, display some really crazy thought process and inflamed emotions when accused of something they did (not triathlon related, but you get the picture), and I actually suspect she'd get along fine with everyone here in person without the internet/FB to rile her up into a crazy-sounding hissy fit. So believe it or not, I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she's not at all like her internet ranting in person, and hope she can leave this fiasco without further commenting on it.

Agreed, she’s just hurt by life. Pretty sad

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I am almost certain she didn't do it on purpose. I am also certain that she has very little understanding of triathlon "racing" based on her posts. First of all she was likely confused about her bike split being 3 minutes slower than the top male pro...not her finishing time. Posting that wrong, and not realizing how impossible that is for her shows how little knowledge she has about racing. That's not a knock on her...just states how this really was an honest mistake about taking a wrong turn. No different than how some people who think their time in T1 and T2 doesn't count to their total time. Not everyone comes into ST before their first tri to understand all the ins and outs of racing.

The problem for her is that she boasted on social media, which is no crime in itself. But when confronted with her DQ, social media allows for instant feedback, while emotions are high, and while you are by yourself without anyone else to consult. Being by herself (my assumption she didn't consult anyone else before beginning to bash people...and a whole state), as someone who doesn't understand racing, in front of a keyboard, just compounds her potential for digging a deeper hole. Had the DQ been issued in person or over the phone, by the RD...it's likely this is all sorted out and a full explanation geared to someone who doesn't understand racing. There would also be a back and forth conversation on how this is really and open and shut case by someone who made an honest mistake and people can move on with their lives. Unfortunately, that is not the expectation of the race director to give that type of explanation.

So to me, the personality/psychology perspective is interesting from a standpoint of what someone does when backed into a corner, and how social media can quickly escalate thing out of control.

No wonder the school systems are so shitty.

"You're riding really sucks.."
"What is you people's problem"

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... Or not married, anymore

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Screw all that editing....just do the course or don't ....but then don't be surprised by a DQ.....She is nuts...she understands mass shooters? WTH?

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Let's hope she doesn't own any firearms.

Speaking for TriScottsdale, she was not recruited. She joined a few months ago and purchased a team kit. Here is the text from Preston Miller of TriScottsdale

Thanks, everyone, for alerting us about the article in which a local triathlete was DQ’d from the the San Diego Tri, and was disputing it, even though all the facts supported the disqualification. This person, did, in fact join TriScottsdale a few months ago and purchased a kit. She was not “recruited”. Based on this incident, in addition to some others factors, we have removed her from our lists. Our members have always been wonderful representatives of our club, and we certainly regret this incident and the controversy surrounding it. Thanks for your support and comments, and keep training, racing, and enjoying our great sport.

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I am interviewing Derek

Nice

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the world's still turning? >>>>>>> the world's still turning

I'm fascinated by the psychology too.
I posted yesterday about my own course cutting adventure. I'd like to think I handled it properly.
First I was surprised and a little defensive.
Checked my Garmin and saw I was short.
Checked the map, realized where I missed a turn.
Explained to the race director. We rolled our eyes and he promised a free entry for next year.
No need to be outed on the internet, no need for death threats. It's just a fecking hobby.

This lady is not having a very good day..... she averaged 22mph for 47minutes on a 12mile race :P - did anyone else catch in the photo she was on a road bike also, she was trying to keep the hips open for the run.

If she's married I suspect this won't move the needle. Unless you're a triathlete or cyclist the whole thing would probably appear silly. That tone, language, and grammar though!

Awhile back when I was bored I digitally stalked "T3". Appears she was happily married at the time. Always wondered if her husband had any idea he was marrying such a "celebrity"?!

Yep, the cover up is always worse than the crime (in sport!). I remember a few years back there was a guy who cut the run course short at Kona and was outed after the fact. He basically just got on ST, explained he had made a horrible decision, that it hadn't happened before, and was sorry. He was almost universally wished well within the thread, and I'd imagine moved on with his life without any infamy.

Becoming this unhinged about this, IMO, exposes some deeper issues with her. That’s me playing armchair psychiatrist. Too many people don’t know when to walk away and just shut up. Especially on social media.

I'd rack this up more to the complications of social media hype and outsized reactions than to reality. I'd bet if you met her person to person, you'd be fine riding and training with her or giving her advice to progress from being a trinewbie.

These outsized responses online to triathlon newbies who don't expect such a vehement reaction don't do any service to our sport, even if we feel really justified in calling them out full force. We all would have been better off as a triathlon community to just ignore the ranting and let her responses fade into the background, as it would have had she been yelling at a fellow competitor or RD in real-time.

Come on - you KNOW you yourself have done some not-so-great behavior at some point in training, or in a race, that wasn't characteristic of you, and that you cringe now that you look back on it. Now imagine that someone immortalized that moment in text or online, including your hyped up reactions to it, and then it got picked up by Slowtwitch , letsrun, etc. forumites hellbent on destroying your entire reputation based upon this one episode of bad behavior that really should have NOT been immortalized online. And then your local triathlon club promptly kicked you out of their club based on that one data point at your lowest moment in triathlon.

We can do better. It's a regretful sequence of events, but we should better than the reddit internet mobs, and demonstrate more understanding of how emotional these races can be for newbs who can make lots of mistakes, misunderstand or misrepresent results, etc.

Classic cheaters. There are so many dishonest people out there. I run into a lot of people that exaggerate or completely falsify their PRs which is pretty stupid because you can look up every race out there. I even saw a lot of questionable metrics on the Club Winter Challenge.

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I agree to some extent. “RACE BUSTER” reported her. RD DQ’ed her. It could have ended right there if she had not gone bonkers on social media or others just let it be knowing she got DQ’ed. I don’t think anybody is learning anything based on social media floggings. Everybody has to get the last word in

Her Strava profile is interesting....quite a few QOM's. This is not someone new to competition....at least on the bike side....supposedly.

It's not her first race. It's not her first triathlon or even Ironman race either. She knew what she was doing.

exactly, why can't she just have an affair with a student like the rest of 'em

Yeah, it's likely that nobody would ever have known she was even DQ'd.

And while I've seen lots of people stick to the lie, even try to falsify a Garmin file, I can't remember ever seeing such vehement personal attacks before. That part was shocking.

Intentional or not, it just continues to amaze me that people think they can get away with it with all the surrounding technology. But even barring that, you just know that anybody who has ever ridden bikes with her knows she can't average 22mph for 12 miles. To draw attention to that, thinking you can get away with it, is just mind boggling.

Maybe she's a Math teacher?

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Can't open the link but her Facebook page in and of itself is quite sad. Sort of feel bad for her.

Qom with females in Strava world is easy. Not many female Strava users. Would be nice if there were more, the running female CR's motivate my wife

No. Being local, although I have never met her, I have received over half a dozen private messages of screenshots sharing her insanity while engaging other members of our local tri community over the past few years. She is not an innocent victim caught in a white lie, she's is borderline psychotic based on what I have read and have been told. She claimed to have been a professional cyclist in '99 and '00, she claimed she was recruited by Tri-Scottsdale when she just bought a kit, she took a picture infant of a Saucony wrapped car claiming they sponsored her when the cars actual owner chimed in, she has tortured an LBS to the point of distraction, she harassed a local pro, its endless.

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Can you interview her ? That would be priceless.

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

I don’t think she needs more of a platform

Yikes! That's pretty bad!

Ok, I take back my prior sympathy in light of this information.

She's going to do 50 Ironmanish races in 50 days, and ST will explode.

After reading that... Wow. No room for someone like that in this sport. I'm tempted to say USAT should ban her from all sanctioned events.

Was the SD International a Full Oly this time or no?

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I've done this race many many times. She missed the turnaround, which is incredibly clearly marked with several upcoming signs. There are several people there directing traffic (one always in a very noticeable costume).
Athletes are responsible for knowing the course. Course descriptions clearly say "two laps" for the International distance. On-course volunteers are NOT responsible for making sure you follow the correct route...each athlete needs to know there is a second lap (posted in the race instructions, at the pre-race briefing, maps all over the expo area/packet pick-up/race morning).
This is a whiny spoiled brat who needs to own up to her mistakes and quit blaming the world for her screw-up. Glad I don't have kids in her class. And I'm VERY happy to have this Zonie stay over there. Her type is not welcome at our races. By type, I mean people who don't play fairly and then blame everyone but themselves.

I wonder if she's facebook friends with Julie Miller?

Good one! :)

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"see the world as it is not as you want it to be"

I get what you're saying, she's obviously mentally ill, I know a few people like her and although there is a degree of sympathy, that is tempered by the fact that invariably these people are complete and utter cunts (excuse my French), pathological liars, who treat people like garbage and would quite happily screw over their own mother if it meant they achieved their goals. You can be mentally ill and still be a good person. I'm not sure she is.

I disagree

She sounds like she's a whole circus unto herself

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Edit the ride data then edit your name. It's the perfect crime ... theoretically ... just saying.

I understand your point and I would agree I wouldn’t be going to her Facebook page to slam her as others have done. That’s not accomplishing anything but getting her more set in her position. I will point out though SHE is the one who responded initially after being DQ’ed and went absolutely bonkers and the type of threats she made are actually pretty dangerous. One can empathize yet not put up with another person’s sh**t. I am not sure her actions can necessarily be tied back to “loss of community” I think that’s a bit of a stretch

Me, too, but I think she got married a while after IMFL

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

My dad is a retired CPA and worked for 50 years with small and medium sized businesses as clients.

Over his career he busted 15-20 different bookeepers and other employees for embezzlement.

To a letter they would all get very emotional, cry, deny it, and lash out through whatever means they had.

I have seen the same pattern at my employer, I have seen several associates fired for expense account fraud, and the same pattern.

Obviously this is a mental illness issue, you hope that people would take responsibility and move on, but it does not happen that often.

We are seeing the same behavior, just in sport. It may be more strange than other areas because there is so little at stake.

Can you imagine if she comes back with" "Triathlon training and racing help me combat stress, and achieve peace in a chaotic world. Please don't take that away from me"

Guess what, honey ... it ain't working

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

You need to look at her Facebook page....she is the definition of a narcissist.

What I find almost more f-ed up is the people supporting her (or, in these cases, the people supporting the person in the face of overwhelming evidence and obvious wrongdoing).

That person who replied, "Good theory!" to her post about Californians discriminating against her...I mean, really? You've sat there reading all these posts and not once thought, "ok, she's a bit nuts now, how plausible is this really" Do people never question things, just blindly accept?

Those "supporters" don't help, they just feed the beast.

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Remember the psycho/hot graph that was circulating a while back? Where do you think she'd place? Near the hairdressers?

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KING OF THE ROAD SAYS YOU MOVE TOO SLOW

You must not be a United States voter....

Hah, yeah I was thinking that as I hit submit...

Canadian/European.

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Wow, she has a unique name and if you google her name you get a page full of the links from ST and marathon investigation.

This will follow her for her entire life....

The effect this will have on her is not proportionate to the crime.

People come out of jail and have more of a chance at redemption than the way this is heading for her.

Right. Didn't the whole T3 thread start with her talking about how she'd just broken up with her boyfriend?

I need to go buy a Team Sky jersey, post it on facebook, and say "they recruited me" :)

Yes, that was the title of the thread "IM training after a breakup"

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._a_breakup_P4092051/

She got some advice, and seemed on a good path. There was a gap in the posts, then she came back with


Which is how the "T3" got hung on that thread

Not long after, it all got sideways

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Depends on what you are calling her crime. If you mean her cutting the course in a triathlon, then I agree. But her real crime here is the personal attacks and threats she is posting on social media and through texts. She may deserve to have that follow her for a long time.

It was never an oly , at least past 8 years I raced it. 1k, 30k, 10k

Idiots on athlinks last near named it an oly

We'll have to get Melania's Cyber-Bullying Initiative going on that

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

I read that whole thread, it was something else. . .but I still don't understand T3. Is this referencing sex or something haha (: I am lost.

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She has a nice smile, though ... For a psychopath

"You should never tell a psychopath they're a psychopath. It upsets them."

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

It's whatever you're up for after the race

Sex, beer, ice cream

YMMV

She had a dude waiting for her in the hotel room, so we all went with "A"

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Oh, gotcha. The pictures were all gone so I wasn't sure what it was referring too. Honestly, I was thinking maybe she hooked up with some random on slowtwitch and had a threesome and that's what it meant lol.

I will be adding T3 to my lexicon going forward however. Much appreciated

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Point being that International and Olympic are synonymous for the lay folk...so when a friend did it in 2017 I was like: that's wild fast...and then saw the distance wasn't "normal".

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What’s the whole point of “calling out a cheat” and provoking so much hostility and volatility over something that truly nobody should give half a rats ass about? The whole concept of marathon investigation reflects just how shallow segments of the endurance community can be. Get over yourselves and don’t put others at risk to assuage your own insecurities. Hypocrisy to say the least.

no one likes a bragger.. especially when they cheat and brag. The DQ is enough though. Now people that take podiums and qualifying spots and the like... have at them all you want.

What’s the whole point of “calling out a cheat” and provoking so much hostility and volatility over something that truly nobody should give half a rats ass about?

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You don't understand the basic concept of sport then. And no I'm not implying that going after someone (making fb comments to rile up the situation, etc) who's cheated is the right thing to do. But I certainly think it's fair to call attention to a RD that someone cheated and the facts to prove they cheated. But what happens is that then the accused gets in a hizzy and all hell breaks loose. So I don't think it's about "calling out a cheater" as much as that's the by product of this situation.


Because at the basic nature of competition is you race me fair and square, and the best man wins....Shake hands and do it again next weekend. When that doesn't become the lay of the land, "we" as a sports community all lose.

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People that respond to ostracization by doubling down and threatening others *in my book* have abandoned their link to society. I believe it's fair to assume that there have been a litany of soft approaches to bring her into the fold, and now harsh approaches, all of them resulting in further entrenchment. These are not behaviours that society condones, and thus she can live with the consequences of her actions.

You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink. At some point we have to wash our hands of the situation. The public record of these events protects others in the future from being harmed by her.

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Anybody here buy this?

Because you directly funded terrorism.

Nobody should give a half ass about 99% of the things that happens in our personal lives or in the world at large ... but they/we do. Welcome to the homosapien world. Enjoy your stay and please come again.

Oh, and your seat it too high.

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yep....

I love how almost all of you now have to have a gadget to race with,

Before my triathlon retirement, I didn't even race with a computer. I found it demoralizing to look down and see how slow I was going.

"You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think" - Dorothy Parker

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Ummm...better here than posting on her Facebook page. Maybe mods can just delete the posts including her name.

Didn't know she was a member of SteveBay, but TriScottsdale has removed her from their member lists.

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30 seconds of looking into this Dorothy Parker and i'm a fan. thanks!

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I should start a company/service that goes through and edits/falsifies GPS files, some of these cheaters are so unhinged I wonder if I could charge a high price... Could be a good side-gig!

The concept of Marathon Investigation started as a way to out people who cheat their way into the Boston Marathon, thereby depriving some people who legitimately qualified an opportunity to run the race. If I had worked hard, finally achieved a qualifying time, and then was told I still didn't get an entry, I would be upset. I don't see any problem at all with that. It has expanded because people are now sending him tips and evidence from other sports.

Glad to help

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

I think some of the marathon investigations stuff is a bit OTT e.g the homeless guy finding a discarded bib running the last 12 miles and claiming a medal. He proudly admitted what he did afterwards.This wasn't contrived cheating.. Regarding people like Julie Miller, Amy Stretton and now Anita Carcone, they make it very hard to feel any sympathy for them. They cheat, lie and aggressively screw people over. Carcone's response was disgusting. These kind of people make a rod for their own back. All Julie Miller had to do was stick her hand up and say she accidentally cut the course, she probably wouldn't have been banned and probably would still be racing. She certainly wouldn't have appeared in the NYT. I generally don't find these types to be good people, I'm sure they continually mistreat others, I'm quite a sympathetic and empathetic person, but IMO Anita is getting everything she deserves.

And you need to remember without ST's "witchhunt" on Miller, her cheating probably would never have been fully exposed.

Combined with Letsrun's investigations of Kip Litton and Mike Rossi, another successful Twitchunt of a bib-mule at RNR Philly exposing Samantha Sweet, and the self-professed Selfie Bandits [Kelly Roberts and Ashley Hesseltine],, and you can see how this double letter thing got started

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Anyone wanna bet that her middle name is Michelle? She looks like a Michelle; more than an Anita, anyway

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Hell of a stem setup on that bike.

Why do people care about some douche event (not Kona, not TdF not Olympics) , by some old fat woman that probably had not a clue she cut the course (or she would not upload data to strava). Just take one look at the photos...., she looks like she is walking not running (100% armature from the bottom shelf), who cares? So much time and effort to expose who? And then 100s of same fat\old @$$ hats beating her to death, group bullying and execution. Does it feel good to kick someone to that extent? Such a mass hate/hysteria over nothing, this is no-event in world of Tri. but people make it look like it is huge. Now she should F@^@$%$% ride a book about her experience...

This $hit (https://www.marathoninvestigation.com) is straight from Jerry Springer show, look at those faces...Who do they expose, wall-mart liquor store runner junkies?
It was created because someone didn't qualify for Boston...? Please give me a break...hypothetically if that person would qualify, what place she\he would take 10001?, run fast enough so even old\fat cheating woman can not out cheat you from Boston.

People take their mediocre crappy performances way to seriously....

So, to sum this all up.... you’re mad because some slowtwitchers are mad because a woman cheated in a race? Am I correct?

That's the most hateful anti-hate thread I've ever seen. Nice work.

yeah, can't sleep at night.

So you object to anyone calling out her cheating, or her psychotic response to those who pointed it out, but you are simultaneously engaging in age discrimination and body shaming!

The issue being the sheer volume of assholes this woman had to deal with when she may have made a mistake...so it's actually not psychotic at all if your inbox is randomly flooded with 200 jackwagons being jerks to you.

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This woman fascinates me. Her FB page is still public, as is her Garmin connect profile. If you look at her bike rides, they are all in the 15-18mph range. She commented on FB about her best ride of the year (link 1) that appears to have been flagged, deleted, or made private on Strava. I found the ride on Garmin connect (link 2). It's a total outlier and does not have HR or cadence data as does another ride on the same day 2 hours later (link 3).
Link 1 (FB post): https://www.facebook.com/anita.carcone/posts/10213779597996904
Link 2 (super fast ride): https://connect.garmin.com/.../activity/2658940599
Link 3 (representative ride): https://connect.garmin.com/.../activity/2659192189
So did she just throw the bike in the car to set some QOMs? Bizarre.

I love this Marathon Investigation website. I've donated to the site because I want to keep it going. I hate dishonesty and that people think they can get away with it. Its like animal abusers.....if they will hurt a puppy, they'll likely hurt a child. Similar here....if you will cheat at a little race, what else are you cheating at in life. She may be ripping other people off, non-race wise, and those would be innocent victims.

Most of these cheaters get on line and brag about their "success". Once they make their "accomplishment" public, they are fair game and should be called out if they did wrong.

Doesn't appear to be: no ring, and still has Mom's last name

Mom's FIRST name, BTW, does have double letters

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"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

she's the one that actually made this public. Her first response was to start ranting on her FB page. She doubled down and tripled down on the crazy. Her reaction seems quite similar to someone dealing with a bipolar disorder.

This wouldn't even have been a story if she accepted her DQ like a mature adult and just moved on.

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There is just no way this was an honest mistake. She’s had countless training rides to know she’s not capable of 22mph over 12 miles. She was also surely staring at a bike computer during the race that showed her real speed. And then SHE went public with the DQ and started the psychotic rant before the so-called jackwagons showed up. So I think your timeline is off. Once they showed up, she doubled down, faking a Strava ride and getting even more verbally abusive.

A post up-thread stated that she has a history of similar behavior.

Perhaps, but how are you going to act when 100s of people flood your inbox?

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Be an adult and delete them like spam. They're emails, not people camping on her yard yelling at her at 2am. She knows she cheated, she knows she got caught, and hundreds of people wouldn't be burning up her inbox if she had fessed up. This isn't some random person getting selected through no fault of her own; it's a direct result of her poor judgement and character.

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The point is, ladies and gentleman, that speed, for lack of a better word, is good. Speed is right, Speed works. Speed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

The Grand Canyon State will exact its revenge at Ironman Arizona..... mwa·ha·ha·ha!


Ok, no we won’t (nor should we). Damn we’ve got some crazy ones amongst us here.

Yep, she's 100% crazy ass beeeeotch!

does the fact that she comes across as crazy make up for the fact that people on this thread have essentially stalked her?

No, which is my point.

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I'm not actually sure how far you should go. Cheats certainly need to be identified, then what? I suppose in theory you'd want it to play out as follows:

-cheat gets identified
-cheat confesses
-cheat is DQed
-we move on

and that's it. But almost without fail the cheat does and says shit that ensures people stay interested. They continue to be abusive, lie, cheat, screw over people etc What amazed me about Julie Miller's situation is how poorly advised she was by friends and family. All she had to do was stick up her hand, admit she cut the course = no New York Times article. She and her family still deny she cheated , even though there's a fucking video camera that filmed all 1900 competitors at IM Canada apart from her.

Yes

does the fact that she comes across as crazy make up for the fact that people on this thread have essentially stalked her?


No but her constant lying and then attacking anyone who questions her is more than enough reasons.

Yeah, that link 2 ride also shows a temperature in the mid 70s while Garmin thinks its 93 outside (unlike other rides where the two temperatures sync up) -- looks like her 520 was in an air conditioned car.

I understand your point and I don't advocate anyone going onto her facebook page. That aside, you are completely missing my point that Sebo is criticizing her critics at the same time he was slamming her for being old and fat. I was stunned by the sheer hypocrisy of the post.

I think the thing that needs attention is not her cheating to get QOMs or in triathlon, which of course she was and should have been dq'd for (and should probably be banned), but that her immediate response to the DQ, even before being "harrassed" is to say that she understands all the mass shooters and their mass shootings and that she wants to blow calfornia up. This lady is an elementary school teacher. These kinds of statements cannot be ignored. She is legitimately a danger, especially when she appears to have some diagnosable mental issues.

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Not be terribly flippant, but I wonder how hard she crashed, that one time? When she said ... [on her FB, I believe; I'm copying from marathoninvestigation.com]


I wonder if she sustained a severe enough head injury to affect her personality & judgement; something in the CTE realm?

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Yes, locally we believe she is doing that it changing data to get QOM’s. Best part is a female pro was here and was sent out to take all those QOM’s back.

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Especially since she doesn't appear to be old NOR fat ... OK, not very old [she's late-40s, right?]

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You don't get CTE from a single event. So that's not it. But a good TBI in just the right place will mess with your personality and judgement; I know it did with mine, especially my judgement. It took a while to recalibrate myself, and that was being aware of my problems. I can totally see how that recalibration doesn't happen when you're not even aware you have issues.

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I thought she was quite attractive (on the outside) and certainly not old. But I'm M61 this year. That tells me that SEBO must be 20s or 30s. Damn kids, get off my lawn!

Right, that's what I meant

Thanks

Yes, you wouldn't know what action to take, if you didn't know/realize there was an issue. People might think 'She's been acting really weird lately' and not say anything to her about it, because 'Must be all that Ironman training she does'

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Your above post sums up my exact thoughts on this entire situation. From reading about this situation on multiple platforms, it sounds like her employer was contacted already so I think your above concerns will be addressed by the appropriate people and hopefully this woman will get the help she needs if she truly does need help.

I do not support piling on, harassing, stalking etc, but I do feel like if you see something such as a red flag that could potentially dangerous situation, it should at least be reported through the appropriate channels before moving on.

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Maybe her Facebook notifications were flooded, bit not private inbox. She rather, did private message many individuals for comments on her public posting. I posted on her page about complaining about Strava and data privacy. In a race , you are in the public, and your data not private anymore..

Looks like it affected your ability to spell judgment correctly also :)

Looks like either you're wrong or it's some sort of American/Canadian thing:



:) :)

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No wonder she was "recruited" to purchase that tri kit. According to the Strava data posted to FB (Link 1) her estimated average power was 393W!

Both are correct

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Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

I'm no mental health professional, but there is no "if" here

She definitely needs help, of some sort

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"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Some follow-up on these matters.

https://honestathlete211358887.wordpress.com

I just sent my first small donation to marathon investigation exposing this hot mess of a woman. Probably the best money I'll spend today ;-)

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apparently on that superfast day she kept her garmin in an AC cooled container as it reads 73 deg when the outside temp was 96 deg

She cheated. She knew she was doing it.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't race participants look at a watch/bike computer/mileage sign during a race and note how far they've gone? If the race is known to be X miles, but the watch display reads less than X miles by a significant amount, uh, wouldn't the racer who has passed first grade math realize the mistake? Add to that, you'd expect that a participant has trained and knows what split times to expect for certain distances within a certain range. "HFS! I just crushed my best training day speed by 20%.... oh, wait...."

I skipped a bunch of replies on this thread, so I may have missed if someone posted this already. It is OBVIOUS that she knew she cut the course at some point, either at the time of the actual cut, or, diabolically, before the race when she planned where she would cut. She wanted to brag on social media, and instead got caught, and manipulated her friends along the way.

It would be fascinating to do a psychological profile of these kinds of people who live in their own fantasy worlds of lies. Like the woman I know who brags on and on about swimming in the 1960 Olympics even in this era where we can find out in seconds that she is in fact lying. WTF is going on in their minds?!?

The single really fast ride with no heart rate or cadence data that was only 73 degrees despite it being 20 degrees higher at the time, and bragging about it as a legit ride.....

That pretty well clinched it for me as far as this being pre-meditated.

The willingness to fake rides like that to make it look like she's capable of riding much faster, then cutting a loop off of the course and claiming she did it all, despite her own gps data saying otherwise, then further a ridiculous attempt at faking that data too.

It's almost sad really.

I think she cheated

But to answer your question I don’t have. Bike computer or timing watch bit have done many races up to 1/2 IM.

I would have no idea if a course was long, short or exact.

I suppose there are a few out there who believe her story/excuses, and for her, those few are worth the embarrassment. If she can pull the wool over a few gullible saps, then she can still feel like a champion. She enjoys being a martyr, and her supporters love a martyr story.

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1) You're an outlier (and she had multiple GPS devices, so the hypothetical of lacking one is irrelevant).

2) I do not believe that you can't tell the difference between a 12 mile ride and 20 miles, or 16mph and 22mph. Not for an instant.

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The point is, ladies and gentleman, that speed, for lack of a better word, is good. Speed is right, Speed works. Speed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

It's actually worse than that. If you look at any of the files, she only averages 13.8mph for the first half of her 12 mile ride, and actually rides closer to her potential for the last half just to get to 16mph. Everyone would have been flying by her like she was standing still.

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How about the fact that she credits the tailwind for her 30+ mph speeds!? The winds at that time were out of the East (maybe 10mph with some gusting). The only problem is that, even if you believe she could do a hurricane assisted 30+ mph (I do not), she averages the 30+ mph going both East to West AND West to East (ie into the headwind). She is going to go down as both the Greatest Cheat of All Time AND the Worst Cheat of All Time!

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"If you can't be a Hero, be a Victim" kinda thing?

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Her strava is a goldmine of cheating and lies. Only took a few minutes to find this jem.
Her June 22nd ride in San Diego. On her 29 mile ride there was a ten mile section that was obviously done in a car averaging over 50mph.
Someone commented, “Wow! A ten mile stretch over 50 mph? What’s your secret?”.
Her response was,”It’s called a very fast TT bike and a disk wheel! And some fast riders in front!”. Then she adds more,”Dave Kiley, oh, a few cars in front going fast too😃help from the strong tailwind too💨💨💨”.
She got the kom on hotel circle westbound by 19seconds with a top speed over 60mph! The problem with her story is that this segment is against the wind and uphill.

I was thinking more like, “50 people admire me, and thousands are disgusted with me. Yeah, I can live with that.”

Very desperate for “fame”.

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Maybe she figures we are at a point in American societal history where people have too many other things to worry about than to care whether she is an OUT AND OUT LIAR. The thing is, this very same point in American societal history has a bunch of people ready to go out and challenge every claim, especially when those claims are ridiculous. What a time to be alive.

Here's the reason I ask "WTF is going on in their minds?": everything is recorded online, and we have such quick access to any information we want. Even information and data from the past are online, if an event was important enough to be posted online retroactively. You'd expect that someone who posts extraordinary claims be aware that extraordinary claims require (in this day and age) corroborated evidence.

I once caught a 30# salmon in British Columbia and climbed Aconcagua without supplemental oxygen.

(Signed)
140triguy, US Senator from Kentucky, 2008-14.

I use the Flag feature on Strava for just such reasons.

99.9% of BS KOM’s on Strava are unintentional - people leave GPS on before/after a ride, and many don’t know they can crop/edit the ride to fix that.

But somebody like this is in the 0.01% who is blatantly cheating, and not even very good at doing so.

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I hope somebody flagged that ride.

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OMG!!!!!!

I just visited her FB page: seems she went to an institution with a funny name. Check the spelling!

This just adds a whole new level of humor to the dark saga of Anita Carcone.

Did the triclub she claims recruited her ban her?

Yes.

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Yes, she was banished from Tri Scottsdale. The statement is on their FB page and clarifies that she was not recruited. I understand that she is not welcome in most of the local bike-shops as well (which predates this situation).

Lol amazing she still has a post claiming she was recruited with a pic of the triclub trinsuit

a new business opportunity, lol (scientific editing of GPS files for believable bullshit)

The thing (well, one of many things) that get me about this behavior from her and others: at some point, you'll be called on for whatever reason to ride or run with someone who is the speed you claim to be, and you won't be able to hang. That's going to suck, especially when people put it together if they hadn't already.

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The point is, ladies and gentleman, that speed, for lack of a better word, is good. Speed is right, Speed works. Speed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

Interesting in that her name has been changed to Anne Jones on her Facebook page. I didn't know you could change your name like that but I guess Anne Jones is a nice unfindable, innocuous choice.

Banned from bike shops? That's saying something considering that bike shops need all the business they can get. Although Scottsdale bike shops may be doing better

Even bike shops have standards...(it's not like lawyers...or dentists.)

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Double letters!

I almost joined Tri Scottsdale, it's a great club and they do tons of events. It's also free. I'm sure there are a few people on the board that are members, they have numerous pros that run their workouts. The Club has achieved numerous club national championships.

I ended up not joining because we moved to the East Valley and it just wouldn't work for me and I'm solo...well I'm still grounded with the bum wing. Still need a bike too.

Pretty sure the only people that get "recruited" to the club are pros. They are very public with where they workout, when the workouts are, anyone can join.

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Most people try to HIDE their double letters

Clearly, it's meant to be a big "Fuck You"

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Wait a second...Anne...double letters...what the hell is going on!?

Chicago Annie Case

https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/...f-chicago-annie.html

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It seems Chicago Annie has been collecting DQs since 2011, which predates the story on Kip Litton [although he was faking results previous to The New Yorker article, published in 2012], and antics by Mike Ross, Julie Miller, and Kelly Roberts

Maybe she should go on the Mount Rushmore of Cheaters, too? Mount Cheatmore?

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She locked down her IG

https://www.instagram.com/chicagoannie/

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And another Arizona triathlete bites the dust...Eddie Elsner (double E's double dd's!):

Another Serial Cheater taken down by Race Buster and Marathon Investigation[/url]

https://wp.me/pa3Ncw-1s

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does he actually call himself a "tenured endurance athlete" in his defense comments?
ive never heard anyone use the term that way before

He actually referred to himself as a tenured endurance athlete. Below is the quote and his response on marathoninvestigation.com. That thread should be interesting. It's not often that an accused cheater comes onto a marathoninvestigation.com FB thread to defend themselves



"I am a tenured endurance athlete (20 Ironman finishes, with one Kona Hawaii finish, one Boston Marathon finish, and lots of marathons, half Ironmans, half marathons, etc, which I have lost count). "


https://www.facebook.com/marathoninvestigation/

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Good grief, what the fuck us going on here in Phoenix! I just shared this on my FB, waiting to hear from those who know him, I don’t but we have some mutual friends. On behalf of the Phoenix amateur Endurance Racing community I apologize. :)

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Well, not since "Anne Jones" anyway (although I think she was sparring with Derek on her own page...). If there is any doubt, the guy is sure to prove his guilt with his own words...

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Something in the water maybe...

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FIFY!

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I looked up his IM performances on obstri.com and they are consistent over the years accounting for variances between courses and him gettng a little older over time. He did Kona in 2013 on a Legacy slot which can be confirmed here: http://www.ironman.com/...s.aspx#axzz5MIGXJann The frequency and reasonableness of his IM times suggests he's not cheating in Ironman.

The open marathon is a different story. The report on marathon investigation is damning, and his remarks don't make any sense, not to mention that he was only explaining a single race when the reality is it appears he cheated in many. Odd that a guy doesn't cheat in one sport but does on the other.

I am going to speculate that he wanted to add Boston to his list after doing Kona, but there is no Legacy program there. Cheating was his only way in (I'm ignoring the charity entries). If that's true it's pretty sad.

Or lack thereof?

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
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What water? I didn't realize they have that in Arizona.

Good to see that triathletes are keeping Derek busy between the Spring & Fall marathon seasons

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
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I am all in and love the Slowtwitch community, but they actually got this one wrong. Eddie is a stand up, legit athlete. I have known him for years, and would absolutely back the legitimacy of his racing. Anyone that has met or knows him will tell you his is genuinely a great person, served our country, battled related injuries since, would give you the shirt off his back. I realize that there are a couple discrepancies but I personally know the story and you are def barking up the wrong tree on this one. I love the argument that since he isn’t on Strava he automatically has something to hide. I know several elite local athletes that choose the same path and like to keep workouts private or just don’t boast about everything they do. Keep doing what you do, I am 1000% behind exposing cheaters but he isn’t one of them.

You should post that on Derek's page as well, to provide some balance

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
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What’s the story on 6:44 opening half split pace and finishing w a 8:24 paced back end split?

Eta: bottom of story says he was DQ’d from the most recent San Diego marathon for running 6:24 paced middle 10k.

(Not trying to start anything, just curious how they start out that fast).

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It's downhill for the first 13 miles or so, not super steep but noticeable.

https://thephoenixmarathon.com/...-your-race/marathon/

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Boston allows that net downhill course to be a BQ? Shame on Boston....that seriously is a fast downhill race. Ha

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It’s a joke. The Phx Narathon, Tucson Marathon, and the St George Marathon are all net downhill races but are still BQers.

As far as his SD DQ, that is a run he does almost religiously. He is a good friend with an RD for that race and was asked as a favor to pace the 4 hour group. He had already BQ’d and did the Rim2Rim2Rim Grabd Canyon hike before this event. Any AZ local knows how brutal that hike is. As a friend he still gave it a go to pace, at mile 14 he realized he wasn’t going to be able to do the group justice and asked another runner in that paced group to pace until mile 20. Knowing the course he (freely admitting this) left course and went to wait at mile 20, recover a bit, and try to fulfill the rest of his pacing commitment to his RD buddy. Unlike another local loco, he didn’t blow up how FB page with brags of finished my etc. He will be the first to tell you he didn’t complete race or try to claim a result. Believe what you will but I’ve know him for years and he doesn’t have it in him to cheat to get results.

I'm confused about the san diego marathon results stated. Was he a pace setter in both 2016 AND 2018 AND in both races had significantly speedier split times between miles 13.1 and 20 AND missed a timing mat (at least in 2018). The 2018 states as a pace setter he stepped out to use the bathroom them rejoined group later. But it doesn't state what happened in 2016.

Hey - I'm sure you're right that he is a super nice guy and has been a really plugged in to the community for a long time - anyone with such a long list of results really must have made it a big part of their lives. I read his defense of the allegations about the 2018 San Diego Marathon - essentially that yes, he did cut the course, but since he was a pacer it was not really cheating and it did not occur to him not to accept the medal or to DQ himself from the results. OK - kind of strange but everyone gets a free pass on a brain fart every now and again.

But it's strange that he did not address the allegations about the other three races. In 2016 in San Diego, over the exact same section of the course he cut this year, he covered that year at 2:50 pace. What's the excuse for that? I think there is no question he cut the course that year as well.

The allegations about the Phoenix races are also pretty compelling, though not in the realm of physically impossible for even the best runner in history as the 2016 race was. Similarly, he did not address these either.

If I were accused of this, and my personal life were as entwined with endurance sports as his (and mine is) then I would FOR SURE be posting my garmin files all over the place. Why would he not do this? If it's all a big misunderstanding, he could fix it very quickly.

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^^This!

I am only defending him for what I know. Believe me I would be completely blindsided to find out dufferently but I understand what you are saying. My friendship with him is on a personal level. We get together a couple times a year to have a beer but not being on social media outside of Sliwteitch to any degree i don’t follow or even know every race he does or doesn’t do. If I am wrong I apologize, I only found out because he called and texted me last night very distraught asking for my help. I have no pull and am a very average athlete but I will always blindly defend a friend end until proven wrong. Kind of a weakness I guess.

They said his Ironmans were clean, but his BQs were not.

Everyone in this situation seems to have three choices, but for some reason they pick #3 the most.

1. Provide some evidence that shows they did not cheat such as his garmin files for the races in question.
2. Admit that they cut the course, apologize, and get on with life, they will be forgiven to a great extent.
3. Continue to deny it and let it fester, and they will severely limit their personal reputation and life because this will exist on the internet forever. Google Anita Carcone. If she was applying for a job to work for you, you would probably not hire someone with what you see on page 1.

Agreed. Her story fascinated me on so many levels. 100% agree that data would clear things up nicely by getting have not access to that. I personally am an open book but others choose to go about it differently. He is a friend but I can do only a small part to defend him as I know him. The rest are a up to him.

Wait til you find out about the #snowflake revel race series...severe net drops

If I was accused unjustly, I would make my data public and then raise unholy hell with the person who made the accusations. The fact that this guy refuses to release his data to clear his name calls into question his innocence.

you and Julie Miller have a lot in common. you know with all your egregious cheating.

Does "88" count as double letters? Otherwise, Jane doesn't qualify

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I'm clean until my AARP card comes in

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

I do know that the So Cal motels, hotels, gas stations, restaurants, bike shops and races all love my money.

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don't just do something..... sit there

Everybody has a character flaw (that they are aware of or not)


Apparently one of my character flaws is my ability to construct basic words and phrases. I humbly apologize for butchering the English language. Or my version of it. Wow.

Well it’s nice to see the other side where people defend a cheater. Your defense isn’t anything new. People defended lance Armstrong until the day he said he cheated. This runner has a personality that is infectious.

You just need to recuse yourself from this debate because you won’t look at facts but you’re speaking from the heart.

Thanks for sharing btw.

I didn't fall back quickly enough when passed on the bike during HIM NC a couple years back. I should email the RD and add the penalty minutes to my time. Glad I got that off my chest

Chicago Annie from the Long Beach pic in the tree - I would totally hit that!

Anita Carcone - wouldn't touch even if I was drunk!

For sure.

And #3 is the one that does the damage! I think there was a cheat outed on MI last year, she cut a HM course, someone spotted a photo of her and zoomed in on her watch which showed an incorrect distance, I think she ended up (sort of) admitting she cheated. She pretty quickly faded back in to obscurity. Perhaps if she'd taken #3 things would be different.

Quick update. Just got word today that Derek from marathon investigators is now retracting his inquiry into Ed’s 2018 BQ race. So could it be that he actually falsely accused someone. We are down to 1 race with weak evidence. Call me a naive, loyal friend but I need more than that to turn on a buddy.

Let me address a couple things.

1. Regarding his last to BQs at Phoenix. I never said that he definitively cut the course. I said there were elements regarding his 2017 and 2018 times that raised red flags. Nothing has materially changed regarding my perception on those two races.

2. Regarding San Diego. Ed admits to not having run the full course in 2016 and 2018. Prior to writing the article I reached out to the track club. They provided a story regarding the circumstances of Ed’s run that was false. I proved that version false and presented that evidence in the initial article. Since posting my article I’ve received Ed’s story and I spoke on he phone with a different leader of the track club. The story from them more closely falls in line with my investigation. There should have been policies and procedures in place to make sure that pacers who ran less than the full event did not receive official times. I am confident that they will put these procedures in place going forward. The photos with finisher medals in 2016 and 2018 were a bad look and Ed admits to that.

3. Honest Athlete/Race Buster. They went further than I am comfortable with in their conclusions. There were some assumptions they made that could have been verified. And, in my opinion his Boston time should not have been used as evidence against him. I use the differential between Boston and qualifying times (adjusting for qualifying course and Boston conditions) tonorioritize my review but never as evidence in of itself.

To summarize, the key conclusions of my initial article are unchanged. Yes, he cut in San Diego, but there is more context to add based on additional information. I still am skeptical of Phoenix, but as I said in the article, there is nothing conclusive to say he cut the course there.

Lastly, I was not threatened with any lawsuit by Ed. We’ve been civil towards each other. Look for a follow up article where I will address all of those items.

-Derek Murphy
MarathonInvestigation.com

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Thanks for the update. I understand all views including time discrepencies, etc and appreciate you personally talking with Ed. I am fully on board with the work you do to expose those that blatantly and maliciously cheat. Either way his reputation and name have taken a big hit and hopefully your final conclusions will help exonerate him fully.

Mmm... no. It's certainly his right to keep his data private, but it's equally the right of BAA or any race director to say "your run poses questions, we require your GPS data to verify or we'll DQ you". It's not a matter of being on Strava or not; GC and TP and others can make a workout public and give a link, or he could provide the file directly with a request for confidentiality if he's very private. And it's not a matter of "not into bragging" either, because it's not bragging when someone raises a legitimate question and he has the opportunity to exonerate himself. That's not bragging; that's suspicious.

I have no idea what he did, but you've done nothing allay the doubts.

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I agree that data would answer virtually every doubt but none of this was brought about by a race director. Opinion is one thing but it doesn’t count as evidence he did anything wrong. Ed is a grown man and can deal with this however he chooses to, and as a friend I will simply stand by him until some evidence of value against him becomes available. Show data, don’t show data - those are his decisions but I don’t see a smoking gun here that has been proven in fact. Yes, not DQing yourself as a pacer is a lapse of good judgement but not cheating. He took nothing away from anyone with his time.

Yes, not DQing yourself as a pacer is a lapse of good judgement but not cheating. He took nothing away from anyone with his time. //

Sounds to me that he took something that wasn't his, twice. You dont have to take something from someone for it to be wrong, taking something that is not yours in the first place is enough. But to highlight non finishers taking finishers awards(medals, t-shirts, in the finish results, etc.) hurts everyone that finishes by the rules. Maybe he is a good guy and your friend, but there is something absolutely wrong with what he did, and perhaps it just didn't seem wrong to him at the time. Bet he has a different view now. Amazing what shining a light on something can do for clarity of a situation...

So if they asked you to pace for 13 miles of a marathon, you would take all the finishers swag, pose for your facebook page as a finisher, and let everyone believe you actually finished?? And what was the clubs covering up of this all about too, that seems quite fishy in of itself...

For me it would be a Yes( I would do the pacing) then NO, No, and No, but to each his own I guess. Like I said, bet he wishes he had done it differently now, so there must be some kind of shame, or whatever feeling people get when they get caught up in a fib of sorts...

But maybe he didn't do any of that and this is all just a big mistake of identity..It is just that I have now seen too many people that I know cheat, lie, cut corses, and then pretend they finished with honor. Each time it shocks me, because it was an otherwise very nice person who I though would not do such a thing in a million years. But there it is, right there for anyone who pays attention to see. I guess most people just dont pay attention and can live in the ignorant bliss of everyone doing the right thing all the time...

How about this?

They asked you to pace the first half of a marathon

You carry the stick for 13.1 miles and step off, much as any rabbit would do

THEN [after you're gone off the course, and maybe even taken your chip off] you hear that the pacer for the 2nd half, didn't show up, can't hang on pace or whatever, so - being a stand-up guy - you jump back in down the road, even though you've missed a couple timing mats by now, to get those folks to the finish in their goal times

All the folks you paced from the start INSIST that you take your medal, and get your pix taken with them, as a courtesy & thanks

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Only skim read the thread, so please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm struggling to see how his pacing races don't classify as cheating. He was registered for a race, issued with a timing, chip, cut the run course, claimed a medal plus photo and did nothing regarding the fact he had an official time. You shouldn't need to put in place "policies and procedures" for pacers, this guy was an experienced runner, he knows exactly how timing chips work and was well aware he had an official time, twice. I'm curious as to why he was DQ'd and not DNFed? You haven't done the course, you cross the finish line with your timing chip, the first thing you do is tell an offical, so they can DNF you. At the the Sunshine Coast worlds in 2016, there was some confusion about the number of laps of a certain section on the bike course, a few people did 1, came in well short of the correct bike distance and didn't inform anyone. They got a DQ. Those that mentioned it to an official got a DNF. The DQers may not have unintentionally cut the bike short, but not admitting to it, classifies as cheating. This guy is either a fucking cheat or a fucking moron.

How come he runs a 3.34 in 2016 in San Diego and then in 2017 runs a 4.30. Note his 5km and 10km splits were the same in these races.

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Quick update. Just got word today that Derek from marathon investigators is now retracting his inquiry into Ed’s 2018 BQ race. So could it be that he actually falsely accused someone. We are down to 1 race with weak evidence. Call me a naive, loyal friend but I need more than that to turn on a buddy.

So what was his BQ race and time. Is it 3.25 for his AG? He doesn't look anywhere near that kind of shape. More like 4.30 which is what he ran in 2017.

I'm struggling to understand and sympathise with someone who prances around holding up their finishers medal for the official photographer with a big cheesy grin after he cut short the run course... not really defendable to be honest.