If it works for a grand that is fantastic

"If it works" is the big question for both this and the Aeropod, but assuming they both work the Aeropod is half the price of this.

"If it works" is the big question for both this and the Aeropod, but assuming they both work the Aeropod is half the price of this.

Hi !

First, there is no ''if'', it works. We are currently working with Astana and several top level triathletes. Everybody seems to be happy with the results and they are using the device to do some racing choices.

Second, it doesn't mesure power. The reason why our device is working and that we have good results is that the Notio Konect must be used with a power meter. All CdA calculations use the power values from the power meter.

Third, I haven't seen Aeropod device so I can't comment on it. But I can tell that we have a working product and we are hitting the market now.

If you would like to have more info, I invite you to contact us or to visit our web site.

Regards,

Pierre-Andre

Hi Pierre-Andre,

I can understand you guys are busy, but if you invite people to contact you through the website take the courtesy to respond to the questions. Over the last few months/weeks I asked a few questions but I never got a response on any of them :-( To the point that I purchased an aerpod instead of waiting any longer for yours. But since i want to use it business wise as well i might still buy yours as well.

Regards,

Jeroen

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Owner at TRIPRO, The Netherlands

Hi Jeroen,

I apologize that you questions were not answered. I just sent you a PM.


Pierre-Andre

Hi !

First, there is no ''if'', it works. We are currently working with Astana and several top level triathletes. Everybody seems to be happy with the results and they are using the device to do some racing choices.

Second, it doesn't mesure power. The reason why our device is working and that we have good results is that the Notio Konect must be used with a power meter. All CdA calculations use the power values from the power meter.

Third, I haven't seen Aeropod device so I can't comment on it. But I can tell that we have a working product and we are hitting the market now.

If you would like to have more info, I invite you to contact us or to visit our web site.

Regards,

Pierre-Andre
Notio Konect Product Specialist

Hi !

First, there is no ''if'', it works. We are currently working with Astana and several top level triathletes. Everybody seems to be happy with the results and they are using the device to do some racing choices.

Second, it doesn't mesure power. The reason why our device is working and that we have good results is that the Notio Konect must be used with a power meter. All CdA calculations use the power values from the power meter.

Third, I haven't seen Aeropod device so I can't comment on it. But I can tell that we have a working product and we are hitting the market now.

If you would like to have more info, I invite you to contact us or to visit our web site.

Regards,

Pierre-Andre
Notio Konect Product Specialist

Hub, C1, P1?

If it works for a grand that is fantastic

Hi,

To us and our testers, ''works'' means a CdA precise enough to select their gear with the testing results. They were able to select between several helmets and clothing. The Notio Konect was also used to improve their position on the bike.

The main advantage is to be able to test on the road in real conditions. The wind tunnel and the track are great tools but it is not the same feeling as to test on the road, especially when you want to tweak your position.

regards,

Pierre-Andre Boulay
Notio Konect Product Specialist

To us and our testers, ''works'' means a CdA precise enough to select their gear with the testing results. They were able to select between several helmets and clothing. The Notio Konect was also used to improve their position on the bike.

Hi !
But I can tell that we have a working product and we are hitting the market now.
If you would like to have more info, I invite you to contact us or to visit our web site.

How/where I can buy your device? Trip to Montreal would triple the cost for me and simply impossible due to time constrains. I would rather not wait for aero pod if your device is ready, can you send the link to order page? I'm aero\techie enough to be able to use it.

Notio Konect looks like it’s available now . Anyone get one yet ?


https://www.bikeradar.com/...price-details-52590/

I have one, but since it's winter here now it's been a while since I've used it. I would guess it's the same with a lot of other users.

Any chance that you'd be up to loaning, renting or selling it? I'm looking to do some laps around the LA velodrome.

I got it for free to give feedback so I don't think it's for me to give away - and I'm in Denmark. You shouldn't need it for track testing anyway.

Does anyone know what is going on with this? It's time for someone to either admit this was all a sham, or tell us when we can buy real units.

The notio is alreay available for quite some time. I have mine for at least 5 or 6 weeks.

Jeroen

I do not think that's the case, at least for the general public. No online retailers selling them, nor is the Notio website.

I do not think that's the case, at least for the general public. No online retailers selling them, nor is the Notio website.

It's time for someone to either admit this was all a sham, or tell us when we can buy real units.

How about if it's a sham *and* for sale? After all you can buy an Aeropod, no problem... ;)

It does look like Notio is treating it as an aid to field testing, which is good..

IReal time data isn't going to be very precise, unless there is a very precise way to determine elevation.

The mounting location of the Notio seems like it would compromise results, since any changes you make to the front end would require recalibration.

Really good airspeed measurement is key.

ISoftware that evaluates the test data in the field would be very nice. Software that coaches the rider through the test protocol in the field would probably be necessary for wide adoption.

If you are make changes that affect the calibration of the air speed sensor yes a new calibration needs to be figured out. But that recalibration can be part of the test. It's not make change, calibrate, do test. Calibrate and do test can be combined.

I am aware of this... but it actually doesn't work well because the calibration adds a large amount of unnecessary error.

When high precision is needed the rider is doing A-B-A-B runs, switching between configurations. In this scenario, it is not so important that the calibration be accurate, so long as it is not different for A vs B. If the airspeed is off say 2% from reality, it will be off 2% for both. If on the other hand the change in configuration necessitates recalibration, calibration accuracy becomes extremely important, since it will directly affect the results.

I assume that calibration is performed by making the assumption that the wind vector relative to the ground averages for out-back runs? In other words you say that the wind does not have a bias. But how many runs do you need to perform in order to have confidence in this assumption? I can tell you that on a windy day, the wind varies a lot in direction and intensity. On a single out-back you could easily have 2mph net headwind or tailwind. How many runs would you need to "cancel" it out to a reasonable level of confidence where it doesn't impact your result? We are typically interested in resolving to CdA differences of 1% or less. The calibration error would need to be much less than this to be "acceptable". Maybe 0.25%? The wind error that would result in a CdA error of 0.25% is only ~0.1%. If you are testing at 30mph, this is 0.03mph. That ain't happening! Even if you are out there all day going back and forth you are not going to reach that level of confidence in the "wind canceling" assumption.

Regarding the "wind canceling", I'm already setting a wind vector when I do my analysis, with the assumption that the wind cancels out. I'm currently varying it with each run; wind cancels for each run and I average the CdA results. It would be better to have a global constraint of wind canceling for the whole test rather than each run, but I kinda suck at spreadsheets and am even worse at programming, so I haven't bothered. But if I did that I would acheive nearly as good results as the Notio... without measuring wind at all.

So, no... recalibrating won't work. The calibration needs to be stable for any changes you make in configuration.

What other ways are there?

What I was trying to get at, is if you need to recalibrate when you change configurations, you're screwed. The sensor needs to be located in a place where the changes you are making won't affect it. If *that* is true, then calibrating by assuming the wind cancels is fine. You just need to have the same calibration for both configurations. Calibration accuracy is not so important then. Your absolute CdA value will still be off, but there won't be any bias favoring one of the setups.

If I calibrate for configuration A and it's +1% off (airspeed says 50.5km/hr when it's really 50), and I calibrate for configuration B and it's -1%, I've just introduced a 2% airspeed bias in favor of A. That's about a 5% CdA bias in favor of A! See the problem? B could actually be 4% better than A, but you'd erroneously think A was better.

Are you saying no device can work properly if it's placed in the area below extensions, above top pof wheel, before head tube, behind front of wheel ?