These kind of admonishments just make me want to say them more. Good work!

Can someone help me? I don't get this joke at all.

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No idea what they mean but I will look them up now

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You really went balls to the wall with that one...

Damn dude, too far. SMH

ST really needs something like this :

http://www.digitalspy.com/...er-of-offensiveness/

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/...625/OfcomQRG-AOC.pdf

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How in the world is Crack Pipe offensive? Not to mention it’s a term that’s been used for at least the last 12 years on here and probabaly before I started here.

Pretty sure the term has been around cycling since crack was invented. I remember hearing the term, referring to a 90* pump head adapter, back in the early '90.s

I'm still trying to figue out why it's offensive to lose one's virginity, but I accept that I may be a little less sensitive to such things than others might be.

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Yeah I could in theory at least see how that could potentially be offensive.

Crack pipe could be inappropriate in some situations maybe, but offensive is hard for me to figure out.

What induced you to start this thread? I'm curious.
Mostly because you haven't given any real argument as to why these terms would be considered offensive, but also because attitudes and tone are universally more offensive than individual words. To ask us to refrain from specific, arguably, offensive words without explanation, context or discussion is a bit silly. Or did you just intend to spark a discussion?

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If anybody here sees me at the Y pool, please don't use the term "marble sack", when describing my choice of swim attire.
Come to think of it, "twigs and berries" and "raisin bag" is kinda offensive, too.

Thank you in advance for your senstitivity.

It's joking about something that's associated with inner city poverty, especially among black people, the war on drugs, and addiction - very serious issues. Crack pipes are horrible things related to a lot of misery. If you've been touched by those things, and think the phrase is funny or neutral, ignore me and joke about them if you think it's appropriate. But if those are things that you would never think would affect you, then I suggest you should avoid them. Using words that are serious about "others" is something I try to avoid myself.

"Crack pipe" has always disturbed me here for the reasons above. I meant to post this kind of message the last time someone used it in the hope that people would think about it a bit more, but didn't want to be seeming to attack an individual. Then I saw the other phrase today, which is clearly vulgar in most uses, and thought to bring these up generally.

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Get a grip man. This is a triathlon forum. Not the Guardian comments section.

Oh, you are actually serious about this??? I assumed this was a joke.

I sent that to a friend last week (who is constantly trying to learn new British swear words to throw at me), his response was "If I still worked in an office I'd print that out and hang it on the wall so it looked like some kind of official work memo."

Have you ever seen http://ptos.moderntoss.com ? (NSFW)

I hate "peanut butter" wrench too. Like I really have used the Campy tool for spreading peanut butter. I think you would burn your lip smoking out of a "Crack Pipe". Grant I think the term came out with the first deeper section rims in the early 80s.

A member of my extended family took himself out with his own hunting rifle... yet sometimes my wife still says "I want to shoot myself", or "I could blow my brains out". Just sayin'.

I thought this was a joke as well. I was reading down thinking, "this can't be for real." But I was mistaken. Its real. . .very real.

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If you've ever been incarcerated -- the Cannondale Shiv is an incredibly offensive name to give a bike.

Especially if you are a Specialized employee...

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Specialized. Cannondale doesn't make a TT/Tri bike. (Though I don't think the Shiv has been updated since the Reagan administration).

But, yeah, I thought it was a joke when Specialized came out with that name. Yeah, let's name a high-end TT bike after like a razor blade duct-taped to the end of a toothbrush.

OP, harden the fuck up

Oh man. I gotta lay off the pipe..

Well, I think that explanation should have been in the first post, but better late than never.
Personally there are a bunch of terms I dislike that are commonly used here and elsewhere. I'd say "butt hurt" is the worst I can think of off-hand. It's just unpleasant, unnecessary and seems to be used specifically to offend. I wouldn't bother asking people not to say it though. It's massively unlikely anyone will care what I think on the subject and besides, anyone using that phrase will continue thinking the same way regardless of whether they use the same words - so what's the point.

In the case of "crack-pipe", while I get your objection, I'm not sure it's justified. The name is a reference to the shape and I don't think it's meant as a dig, or joke at anyone's expense. I don't like the reference and wouldn't be inclined to call it that. It's a 90 degree valve adaptor. But I think I don't think it's a real problem worth complaining about. I'm not going to worry about it.

As for "popping cherry", I'm not american, I've heard the term, it's kinda silly, but if it has some offensive connotation I'm not aware of it. Is it not just a playful term for losing one's virginity? Is there more to it than that? Again, I'd just say it was my first IM or my first time riding a tri bike or whatever, but if someone wanted to say they popped their IM cherry, so what? Am I missing something?

Telling somebody to harden up is offensive to those with erectile disfunction.

Fair enough. I know it's not meant as a dig. But here's the thing - for some of us who saw or were affected by the so-called crack epidemic and war on drugs up close it's a disturbing reminder. Which gets to my point about learning about the origins, and not using words related to "others" that those others would find offensive.

And I don't understand why people here find my asking them to avoid it so disturbing (not you) - certainly that reflects a disregard for others perceptions.

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Two that I've seen in the last few weeks: "popping cherry" and "crack pipe." Please think about original meaning of these words. I hope you'll avoid using them here.

I think people are getting tired of constantly being told what to write, what to say, how to act etc. People are taking offense to everything and it's getting tiring trying to be so politically correct.

That was a cheapshot, pls leave me out of this.

"Crack pipe" is probably also offensive to those that own a Silca Hiro. I hope to join this club soon!

Because if everything that was potential disturbing to someone couldn’t be used no one would be able to say anything anymore. It’s not that people don’t understand why after you explained, it’s that you expect a whole forum to change a common vocabulary term specific to an item to change what they say because of your offense to it. This is exactly the whole PC culture that people are sick of.

I completely got that wrong

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If PC culture means paying attention to the voices of whole groups of people who you don't typically consider, then yes, I think you should consider being a bit more PC. I consider this a good thing - being more aware of the origins of words you use. If you seriously think that a jokey term related to a serious problem like this is fine to use, have at it. I'm not your boss. I'm not telling anyone what they can and cannot say. I'm only asking that they learn about the origins of the term and consider my request. It is bizarre that just making this request is so annoying to you.

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I think I can kind of see both sides of the argument.

People seem to bristle at just more seemingly arbitrary 'rules' applied to them.

But, I gotta say, after seeing the jaw-dropping doc, "The House I Live In" (link to trailer), my desire to call a bike item a crack pipe just disappeared ...

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"Political Correctness" is a serious problem. It takes legitimate concerns and turns them into semantics. Don't tackle words. Tackle attitudes and circumstances. Stopping someone saying a word and turning it into a taboo doesn't change the attitude or circumstances that made it offensive in the first place. Another term will arise in it's place, and that term will not be the problem either.

I've just been contacted by Mr Roger Mellie, the well known TV personality and author of numerous books such as "Roger's Profanisaurus".

Roger's kindly offered his services to act as a forum moderator and has just started writing his first and last contribution to this thread:

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You really went balls to the wall with that one...

Ummm...you do realize that phrase has nothing to do with anatomy, right?

http://www.wordorigins.org/...p/balls_to_the_wall/

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what about balls deep?

that's a hard one to swallow

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I know exactly what it means but I wanted to say "Balls"

 

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War on drugs? I hope youre joking. I'm from a city in Mexico almost on the border with the USA, lived there till 2011 when I moved to the USA to get my masters degree. Google what was happening in Mexico from 2008-2011 especially along the border, but you don't see me getting my panties in a bunch when somebody says crack pipe. You should really get over being offended.

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I hate political correctness but on the other hand don't use these terms. I can see your point. I think popping the cherry is often used in boasting as in "I popped her cherry" which is pretty crass. The kind of political correctness that bugs me the most is that which is moving a political agenda (such as insisting on gender neutral pronouns) complying with this kind of request to me would be just common courtesy.

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Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

If your goal in life is to traverse this planet and not offend anybody I say kudos to you. However, I don't need to be told how I should be taking my journey throughout the world. My choice of words, my choice of being offensive are all things I'd ask you to consider, these are my right as a free-minded individual.

I find it offensive that I can not just speak how I want, where I want with the actual tone and perspective taken into consideration. This is to say I have manners and education which allows me to know when something is overtly offensive. I will not however go through life considering all the nuances of all the terms or "figures of speech" I use regularly if they don't appear at first glance as offensive. Your posting deeply offends me and I'm not joking here or making light of you. Groups of people online and in the media are bullying people for being who they are and taking words used out of context and giving them a different perspective rather than just calling a spade a spade.

This is a subculture, we are endurance athletes, I use a "crack pipe" on my disc-wheel and here, in our subculture that is a very acceptable term. If Dan ran a poll of the user base it would be by far the proper accepted nomenclature used. If you don't like it then perhaps focus on political rallies and changing the world in other areas and leave us to our subculture and it's offensive bits.

I apologize ahead of time if you found any of this offensive.

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I’ll take a crack at it. No not that kind of crack, I’m sorry ... you ok? We good?

See, everyone in life has hardships. Some grew up poor. Some lost family members. Some were addicted or family was. Name the circumstance, someone has gone thru it

But see my point above? We start saying a word is too insensitive for you, what about other members? Why should we avoid using words that have other meanings because *one* user is offended? That’s lowest common denominator shit.

Personally I think your approach is misguided and telling ST not to use a word is guaranteed to get the responses you have. Anyone else remember the thread (think it wasn’t here) where someone bitched about using the term “bike porn”?

Jus to me but if *you* have a problem with a word, respectfully I suggest that you either (1) get whatever help you need to deal with your issues so that you are not triggered by something that might happen in society or, lacking that (2) if a word is used here that you can’t handle, don’t come here

Personally there’s only one word here’s I won’t use, and that’s because Dan asked us (told) not to. Fair enough

The rest? Fuck it

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I can't believe you said that!

im offended at your offense.

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I'm not going to dive into that one. I might go off the deep end.

Dan, are you here?

Seriously though, I heard crack pipe in the bike context the first time here on ST. I knew instantly what it meant and though I know someone who spent too much of their life on the other side of a CP. I realize words can have two meanings (or more). I do agree that if we really consider how we might offend someone, somewhere we wouldn't be able to say much. As hard as I try not to offend, I accept I will sooner or later, hopefully, we all are mature enough and tough enough to see that using a word in a way we might not, still might have a place. maybe.

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I saw this on a white board in a window box at my daughters middle school...
List of what life owes you:
1. __________
2. __________
3. __________

Crack pipe... Really? That really is a bridge too far going around being offended by the word crack pipe

I get offended when my wife says something is "ghetto".
Partly b/c she's never been remotely close to anything that could be considered a ghetto.

I also get offended when she tells me to "get off your stupid triathlon forum". Bitch!!

So far I have:

popping cherry
crack pipe
Pull the trigger
blockbuster
Indian giver
ex pro Peleton rider
fuji d6 user
powercrank
nut hugger
World championship stripe clothing buyer
blew up
explosive
Your seat is too high
marble sack
twigs and berries
raisin bag
Get a grip
peanut butter
I want to shoot myself
Cannondale Shiv - as opposed to Specialized Shiv
harden the fuck up
lay off the pipe
Trump ball washer
Political Correctness
balls deep
hard one to swallow
Balls
Good mornin
panties in a bunch
Swimming
dive into that one
off the deep end
ghetto
get off your stupid triathlon forum". Bitch!!

I am completely offended by your subject title. As a child I was chucked around all over the place like Sloth and now I can only eat Baby Ruth through one side of my mouth. You didn't bloody think about that when you wrote this, did you?

Congrats OP. After reading this thread, My Rolodex of offensive terms has officially doubled.

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I haven't had time to read through this whole thread but has anybody offered to change their names on slowtwitch to crack pipe I certainly will

I figured this thread would be good.
Never thought it was gonna be this good, though...

I once cut my finger real bad so I am offended by the Cannondale 'slice.'

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Insulting Veterans now, smh

That's what she said?

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LOL. I'm just a son of a bitch

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now you're just "stirring the pot" (sorry, pot smokers, no offense, and with all due respect)

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OK, I think the OP's balls have been busted enough....

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Dude go be PC somewhere else. Geeze everyone is offended by something these days. Suck it up and move on

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When I want to be offended, I just go to triroost, listen to old TRS podcasts, or click on threads that prominently feature H2ODave.

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"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Yes but a crack habit is only slightly more expensive than the Hiro, so that......

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This thread has been good crack.
But I mean that in the Irish conversational sense, "Good craic".
(Meaning, funny shit.)

Budgie smuggler heh, heh

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Directed to no one in particular and in the finest Trash Talk tradition,

AYHSMB!

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

A spade is not a spade until it can be accepted as a goddam shovel

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RayGovett
Hughson CA
Be Prepared-- Strike Swiftly -- Who Dares Wins- Without warning-"it will be hard. I can do it"

Considering the lives lost at the Remagen Bridge, that, Sir, is just offensive.

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Hughson CA
Be Prepared-- Strike Swiftly -- Who Dares Wins- Without warning-"it will be hard. I can do it"

Rule # 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY7lYRneHc

Bonza mate HTFU to the OP

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Banana Hammock

Hello suffNjmatt and All,

It is easy to fuck up even when you are a 'cultural expert'.

Thin skins and sensitive issues are everywhere.

It behooves us to try to be reasonably agreeable (except when we are intentionally not) but perfection is difficult to attain.

http://www.independent.co.uk/...s-2018-a8206216.html

"Joshua Cooper Ramo, the commentator who offended locals during coverage of the 2018 Winter Olympics opening ceremony by straying into the sensitive issue of Japan-South Korean relations, has been taken off the air, US broadcaster NBCsaid on Monday."

"Joshua Cooper Ramo has completed his responsibilities for NBC in Pyeongchang, and will have no further role on our air," an NBC spokesman said in an email to Reuters.

NBC, a unit of Comcast Corp had announced in December that Ramo would be a contributor at the Games, having previously served as an expert on culture and geo-political issues during the 2008 Beijing Olympics for the network."

"Ramo, who has written books on China and is a corporate director of Starbucks Corp and FedEx Corp, said as athletes paraded into the Games stadium on Friday that "every Korean will tell you that Japan is a cultural, technological and economic example that has been so important to their own transformation".

"Koreans around the world criticised his remarks on social media and a petition soon circulated online.

Japan, which colonized the Korean peninsula from 1910 to 1945, has left a deep legacy of mistrust and ill-feeling in South Korea.

The Pyeongchang Organising Committee [POCOG] had earlier told Reuters that it "informed NBC of the errors in their commentary and the sensitivity of the subject in Korea".



Ramo is also co-CEO of Kissinger Associates, an advisory firm of former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. NBC is the exclusive U.S. broadcaster of the Olympics having paid about $7.65bn to air the Games until at least 2032.

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I honestly had no idea where that phrase came from until another poster pointed it out.

How about HTFU (calling one "slow")
or STFU. (Shut the F-up). Both have their place in the right
context. Many have laughed at comedians saying the same thing
and they pay to hear it!

This thread is like crack for me, I just can't stop clicking back in to read it.

Is it OK to refer to Speedos as Budgie Smugglers ?

That would be cruelty to budgies

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Come on, this is the LR -- not possible.

Does that Cannondale Shiv have the new Shimano Ui2 on it?


***there is no such thing as Ui2. Di2 means Digital Integrated Intelligence. XTR, Dura-ace and Ultegra have their own versions Di2.

Honestly, I wouldn't be too surprised if a drug habit ended up costing me less money....

Insulting to hardworking bananas who don't lay in hammocks all day.

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"Take no offense. That which offends you only weakens you. Being offended creates the same destructive energy that offended you in the first place - so transcend your ego and stay in peace." - Dr. Wayne Dyer

Ya left out the MOST offensive word. Dentist.

Some one really drank the Kool Aid...

But really, it behooves us all to live our lives with a thick skin and a soft heart, rather than a thin skin and a hard heart.

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Maybe we should actually be thanking the op. Slowtwitch has been a little boring since the purge and this has been a good laugh but the beatings should continue!

when i turned 61 last week i gave myself the gift of not any longer parsing every word i wrote over the offense it might give to the person waiting in the tall weeds ready to pounce on the "offensive" term. i bent over backward and was not rewarded for the effort. whatever years i have left are not going to be spent worrying about the guy (or lady) who'll tweeze the offense out of the meaning.

somewhere in between "lighten up francis" and "don't be a dick" i hope there's a place for me.

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Nope. This is 2018 America, has to be one of the other. Which is it?

At the risk of flogging a dead horse ....


George Carlin .... 7 dirty words


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbZhpf3sQxQ

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This has been a good start to the week! Glad I picked up some extra tide pods on the weekend

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I think it was the Divine Miss Midler who said "fuckem if they can't take a joke" .

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The op will probably find that hurtful. Do You no what tide has done to so many community's?

Oh man. If only I wanted to be proficient in photoshop. The opportunities are endless.

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Citizen of the world, former drunkard. Resident Traumatic Brain Injury advocate.

Well, actually (puts on pedant hat) - the expression doesn't refer to Remagen, but to Operation Market Garden, the audacious (I always wanted to use that word) plan by Montgomery to conquer a path into Germany by capturing a series of bridges in the south of the Netherlands ending at the Rhine bridge in Arnhem. And that was "a bridge too far"; all the other ones got captured as planned, but the units tasked with capturing the Arnhem one ran into an unexpected German unit on leave and got massacred. Result of that was that the Netherlands south of the Rhine was liberated almost right then and there, but that the offensive basically stalled and that the rest of the country had to wait until after the winter of 44/45, which, unfortunately, turned out to be one of the fiercest winters of the era. The cold and the fact that the Germans impounded basically everything of any value (for use in Germany), including most food, caused mass starvation. People were reduced to eating flower bulbs.

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Learned something new. Probably won't retain it because I have been smoking Crack all day.

Purge? There was a purge?

Oh, and thanks to Nealhe for the 7 Dirty Words reminder. I bought Class Clown sometime in 1973 - on vinyl - cuz I'm (a little) older than the Slowman.

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You honestly want and expect 87,536 registered users on a website to stop using a couple of terms that you don't like? Wowzers.

As someone who came here from another country and being an outcast throughout my life I find your use of "others" highly offensive. Why would use such a term, do you have a disregard for people who immigrated here?

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Hey I could have lost relatives in Guyana and find that phrase highly insensitive.

Of course I find this whole thread re... oops can't use that word or I will get kicked off this forum. I find this Dumb.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I tried "cherry cracking pipe popper" but there is a 15 character limit.

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I hope to pop my cherry and stand on top of the podium this year, I hope my buddies pop their cherries also.

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The name cherry cracker offends me... that’s way worse than cherry popper.

Have you guys ever been around a crack head?
Now that's a good laugh!

Hello Grant.Reuter and All,

No to be overly critical ...... but it is important to consider (perhaps reflecting on the excellent character of triathletes ... but showing some uncharacteristic timidness and lack of effort) that these word lists have only scratched the surface of pejorative words and epithets of racial, religious, personal cleanliness, character or lack thereof, social, and other classes of words that cause some human faces to turn red and twisted when they hear them.

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Apparently, H20Fun was purged about a month ago. It's almost a shame because we could point to the OP as an example of what a real 'snowflake' is. Oops, better add that to the list of offensive terms.

Jordon Peterson, is this you? Kudos, I just bought your book! I’m cleaning my room right now.

Have you contacted the army and demanded from them not to use the word "crack troops"?

When you told her, did she say "get off your stupid triathlon forum!" ??

A disproportionate number of those incarcerated are African Americans. Specialized naming a bike the Shiv is disrespectful to the black community, especially so when the bike is targeted at triathlon, a sport favored by beneficiaries of white privilege. The name cannot be an accident. Obviously the marketing department at Specialized is peopled by bigots, quite possibly members of the Klan, and the name is a subtle signal to racist buyers. I suggest we censor all mention of this bike through black history month. #ShivAnotherFourLetterWord

Indeed. And the plumbers are already in an uproar about "plumber's crack", no need to contact them.

How did I miss this thread so far? I guess it fell through the cracks.

But we should really stop cracking jokes here. No, I'm serious - keep it up and folks will think we're crackpots. No more wisecracks, OK?

So we pull up to the parking lot for Master National's TT and the woman in the car next to us is putting air in the tires of her TT bike. She asks "Can you give me a hand with the hash pipe". My first thought was "Wow, talk a generation difference. All the 20-somethings I know call it a "crack pipe"".However, if you graduated from High School in the 80's it is definitely a hash pipe.

FFS. It's Specialized! Not Cannondale.

Yeah. Aside from MTBs, I stopped buying non-custom bikes a long time ago, so I wouldn't know.

I am crackin' up laughing while reading some of the posts. It is only February and this tread has the potential to become an epic tread of the year. Gotta remember it in Dec.

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Your posting deeply offends me and I'm not joking here

Wow. Just being asked to be more considerate of language deeply offends you? And I'm the one who should HTFU as someone else here said. Wow.

PushThePace wrote:

This is a subculture, we are endurance athletes,

You forgot to point out that the subculture generally skews white and affluent. And on this board, male. That's the subculture too. So those terms are quite a bit less loaded in that respect if you're part of those.


The context of crack pipe, for many black people in cities, is so horrible that even if you're not talking about an actual crack pipe it's evocative. Now, some of yall don't know that. I don't blame you for that. That's not your context. I'm not ordering anyone to stop using it. I simply ASKED people to learn about it and said I hoped they'd stop.


I'm asking you to be considerate. But I guess that's too much to ask.


And not only do you not want to change (which you could do by ignoring my request), you mock me for asking and claim it's offensive to even ask. Wow.


But hey, don't be "bullied" by people outside your group asking you to reconsider words. In fact, push back and rub it in their faces with more mockery and anger. You win. Congratulations bro.




PS - I recently used a term that an Irish person found offensive. I had no idea of the original meaning (few people in the US do). She explained it to me, and I've stopped using it. It's not a big deal to change, or at least think about changing. For me at least. I didn't jump up and tell her to HTFU and emphasize that she can't "bully" me and that I was offended by her request. YMMV.

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Who knew that asking people to be more considerate and intentional would bring out so many insecurities?

Are crackheads offended by our use of the term crack pipe though? Because I'm tired of being told I can't use certain words by people not part of the group that might be offended but hasn't actually said they're offended.

I'm usually on board with being PC because all it really means is thinking about how your words and actions affect others, but that makes sense when it comes to words like retard, which are intended to be hurtful. But crack pipe isn't, and given all the problems crackheads cause are we seriously supposed to worry about hurting their feelings?

Like I said, I'm usually on board with being PC but things are getting out of hand. I actually saw a woman on Twitter a few weeks ago offended by the word female. All these uber sensitive people need to consider the intent behind the words before getting all worked up.

No one is arguing or making fun of the idea that we should be careful with the words we use.


We are making fun of the specific choices of words that you chose to find offensive, because they seem less like something that is actually offensive, and more like you're just reaching for something to use to virtue-signal how "woke" you are.

While I don't doubt that some ST'ers may harbor some insecurities, it seems like you're painting with a pretty broad brush*.
(* I realize this is a colloquialism which may be offensive or hurtful to overweight watercolor artists. My apologies in advance.)

I would think that a crackhead would be excited or dare I even say aroused by the term crack pipe.

Your response would indicate that I’m ignorant, white and privileged. The fact of the matter is your assumptions and your ignorance to OUR subculture, regardless of its makeup is what lead to my words.

I’m far from those things and it would seem you purposely excluded the portions of my post where I clearly indicated I know when something is being overtly offensive. What you’re essentially asking us to do is to walk around on eggs shells for the edge case participants who may or may not find those terms offensive. Rules are made for the majority not the edge case and alterations are made from there to try and include edge cases.

I’ve traveled the world, I’ve educated myself on other cultures, traditions and etiquette. I’m offended that with all the effort I’ve put into not being offensive you still find things offensive when they aren’t. I’ve lived in the inner city and first off, it’s not only African Americans who smoke real crack pipes. This sentence alone showcases your bias and your prejudices. Affluent white men, poor Latin women, affluent African American and many other groups have been affected by the crack epidemic. The fact is, when we say crack pipe here, it has zero to do with any of that as it’s refering to a piece of equipment with no relationship to that.

Yes I am offended that you’d push people to alter their language and behaviour based on your discomfort or believes in a word or phrase. Yes I’m offended you’d even continue to debate this with the members of this board as it’s an absurd request. It’s you who is offended and that stems from whatever principals or believes or experience you’ve had. Projecting your believes or your agenda for the word is a sign you may lack tolerance for others and their beliefs.

That’s the core of what’s truly offensive about your request. “I know better than all you and I will scold you for deviating from my belief system and subjecting me to another”. Furthermore your blatant disrespect towards people insinuating that nobody here understands the impact the crack epidemic has had on the world because they are affluent white men is just ghastly. With all due respect let’s agree to disagree on the topic. We won’t ever change either of our mind regardless of how many ways in which we say it.

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You really don't get it, do you?

People are responding with mockery, because in general the term "crack pipe" isn't particularly offensive. Yes, a small subset of people may find it offensive because it is associated with a horrible epidemic, (earlier in the thread you yourself used the term "so-called" epidemic, which is far more offensive in my eyes than referring to a bicycle toolbox item by a name commonly associated with illegal drugs, but I digress). But the term has never, to my knowledge, been used to denigrate drug addicts, its just a description of a piece of drug paraphernalia (sp?). It hasn't been used in an offensive manner, and as such, in my eyes anyway, isn't really offensive.

That said, if we were having a private conversation and you said that you didn't want me to use that term, I would try to accommodate your request since I'm not a dick, in the same way that I don't swear around my parents or my children. Swearing may be crude, but isn't necessarily offensive, there are lots of instances where someone can swear and not offend anyone. But I'm not going to try and say that no-one should ever swear ever, since someone might be offended somewhere. That's trying to impose my will upon everyone else.

As for "popping one's cherry", that just isn't really offensive. It may be crude, but truly offensive? It's slang for losing one's virginity, and IMO, its trying too hard to find something to be offended about. I mean, back in the '70's all-girl punk band the Runaways had their hit song "Cherry Bomb". You can probably find all kinds of things to be offended about just in the name of the band and the title of the song, let alone the lyrics, especially since they were intentionally edgy for the time. Or, you can just enjoy the music.

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I am really Butt Hurt that I can no longer refer to the tool that assists in inflating my tires on my Disc Wheel as a Crack Pipe

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You are way too sensitive.

Wait... am I offending people with sensitive skin? Dermatitis is no laughing matter.

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I have to moisturize daily.


#offended

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Tom A. Is offended by disc brake. We should stop using that term.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I don't understand why people get so up in arms about a request that they modify their vocabulary.

I will always have the right to use these terms, and there's a good chance I will continue to do so. But, knowing that you find them disturbing means that someone else might as well, so I might choose a different word next time.

I don't get why it's such a big deal. It's really not hard to accommodate these kinds of wishes but it is hard to propose them so I wish people would give you a little more respect.

Gorilla cage. PETA anyone?

Irish Car Bomb, or paddy wagon?

Yeah, as much as I disagree on some points, I don't think you're out of line at all.
Incidentally, you've got me curious about the term found offensive by the irish person. Don't suppose you'd share it?
Is that an actual irish person or an american of irish ancestry?

I know someone at work named Shiv Patel, so assuming SHIV is only offensive to the black community, is probably offensive to the Indian/Pakistani community

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Because of what the terms are is why everyone is giving him grief. When the ban on “retard” was implemented, most people I believe understood. I have used the word before, I’m not sure on here, and I’m about as far from PC that you get, but I understood the reasoning.

Crack pipe on the other hand isn’t an offensive term by itself. We’re not talking down on other crack pipes. It’s a term for a piece of equipment. The fact that someone would take that to be offensive due to the fact that they have associated a term that is not being used in a particular way and then associate it with a drug epidemic is what has caused people to dog pile on this(yes I know offensive to dogs in piles).

If I said to not use the term warthog, because Its the name of a plane and reminds me of all the people who have died due to the plane’s awesome ability. It would be equally absurd.

It’s the whole snowflake issue that has been talked about for the past few years. People determine something is offensive because of what they associate the term with and therefore they are mad about it. No one can fix what you want to associate a term with, even if it is in not actually what the term means in the context of what it is used for.

'Pretty broad brush ' might get feminists on a war path

No-one is diminishing the crack epidemic. Hell, I know people whose lives have been ruined by various forms of substance abuse, and it isn't pretty. Some have managed to recover, others I haven't heard from in years. So I can empathize with you.

Part of the issue here is that you left the OP pretty open ended, like it isn't just these 2 terms that you find offensive, there are lots of others to be disclosed at a later date. BUT, when you leave the OP so open ended, it's like you not only want people to change their use of these particular phrases, but lots of others that are in the common vernacular, and as such people are going to push back. It's what people do when told to change something that isn't perceived as harming anyone, and no better alternative is given.

And yes, whether you realize it or not, you were actually telling people to stop speaking a certain way, even if you are saying that someone should "think about it". Saying "i find something offensive, think about not offending me" isn't really a request to "think about not offending" It is a request to stop.

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"War path" is racist

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First off, you should know we're all just 'taking the piss" with you (having a good laugh). Which is an expression that may offend sufferers of frequent nighttime urination..

But to your point, how 'bout when Omarosa exited the White House, and in response Robin Roberts said "bye, Felicia"?
That blew up social media -- but I had to google it 'cause I'd never heard it. And from what I understand, it's a 'dis, a line from a movie where the lead actor (Ice Cube) repeatedly blows off a bothersome crackhead neighbor (Felicia) by saying, "bye, Felicia".

So...what R.Roberts was really saying on national TV was that Omarosa was akin to Felicia.. "see you later, crackhead". Big 'dis. Oh, snap.

If I'm getting that right (disclosure: I'm white), you're saying the scourge of crack on the urban community is so painful that nobody on should say crackpipe. But an African-American news personality says "bye, Felicia" on national TV, and it's all good??

Not trying to be ignorant here -- honestly asking.

It might make some feminists testy?

Most enlightened tradesmen are now using the culture-neutral term "ass cleavage"

This thread is the gift that keeps giving.
And that Shiv Patel gif is pure gold!!

He's Babu from Seinfeld, but thanks

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We'll just leave it at that.

I agree that it would seem absurd, and I also was also surprised by him feeling disturbed by the term 'crack pipe'. However, my understanding of the situation is not requisite in order for me to respect his wishes on the matter.

I'm not saying that everyone MUST listen to him, and I'm not sure that my usage of these terms is going to change either. However, it is his right to bring it up if it is affecting him and there's no reason why we shouldn't respect him for that. Our understanding of the situation or whether or not the majority will deem it rational is irrelevant in the way that he feels.

Instead of calling everyone who shows vulnerability a snowflake I think we could all try a little compassion.

You should know. It is generally how humans react when their group is threatened.

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To be fair to this forum - Usually on the internet when the pack smells blood and circles its prey it's done with far less articulacy and humour.

You all owe my boss about 50% of my day's pay though as i've managed bugger all else but read this today. Apologies for the use of the word "bugger" to all those who.... Whoops

Given the amount of replies you've posted in this thread, nah.

What group was threatened?

Dude, get some perspective. One person pointed out some words he found problematic on here and we have 7 pages of overly sensitive man-children up in arms about it.

Not up in arms. Mostly mocking his outrage over fairly benign terms.

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everyone should listen to BLeP. If anyone should be in a constant state of butthurt, it's BLeP. And yet, we hear no complaints.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Is "Up in Arms" offensive to anti-gun people, pro-gun people, or people with arm or leg disabilities?

I'm not sure, butt it's probably someone

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I am not saying that it's offensive or that you shouldn't say it, just think about the origins.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

You said Butt....hahahah!!

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I thought that was called the Second Gere.

Yep, a Kerry Penacoli + a stick shift = Second Gere

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Can't wait to see what your response will be if ISM releases their new generation of saddles: The Moose Knuckle, Camel Toe, and Split Tail

177 posts...I'm not reading this whole thread...Was the OP trolling or is he serious?

Serious. And trolling is offensive to short people.

what about fisherpeople?

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You should read through. Funny as hell.
Compounded by several posters who are getting worked up over it.

'Your MooseKnuckle is too wide' is gonna be the new ' your seat is too high' --

I dunno, trolls in Harry Potter are pretty large

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Troll

Maybe you're thinking of Gnomes?

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I need a safe-space thread. All this offending back and forth is making me sad.

I'm not sure he finished the story, but I am assuming she was drunk and they got in a fight.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

As someone who suffers from Seasonal Affective Disorder I find your casual use of the term quite offensive indeed.

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You could also say that ignorance and indiference is everywhere.

Although I get it when people say "You can't say anything anymore", what they are failing to acknowledge is that for the first time many priviledged people are having to 'own' their words and the meaning behind them.

This is a good thing.

They were discussing Retirement Plans and he said "IRA"

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Only if a white person says it.

I didn't read all the posts, I was too hard at some of them. Oops, sorry about using "hard". Anyway, I get offended when asked if I've plugged my dongle into my computer.

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I'm closer to the feathered end of the spear than the point.

You serious?

Ok, then, I was referring to the group that finds comfort and identity in the subculture and the norms here. Normal human behavior. When the behavior or mores are called into question, the safety of the membership in the group is threatened, and the normal response is to mock and ridicule.

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What black people can't drink PassionFruit IPAs?

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
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Yep, I was serious.
I find the implications of your response pathetic. (not your repsonse itself - that may well be accurate, unfortunately)
Asking people to consider changing something is far from threatening.
If anyone finds the OPs comments threatening, they have serious insecurity problems.
Take part in a group by all means, but if you turn into an irrationally defensive idiot because of fear of losing some aspect of it, then get the hell out and don't look back. Be yourself and use your brain. If you do nothing else, do that.... or at the very least, try!

Was thinking of other terms we use that may be insensitive.

Death march
Bombed
Crashed
Piss on myself
Fart
Puked
Ran out of gas
Cramps
Carbon fiber (environmentalist)
Tailwind
Nut
Food (the hungry)
Battery
Pitchfork
Extensions
Sir or madam
Victory (offensive to Nazi’s and Harley owners)

I think I’m gonna have to go mute for the rest of my life.

Well now you have gone and offended all the women-children on here by leaving them out.

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Heads up: someone in the 'PowerBar' thread just mentioned energy gels being tasty as crack cocaine --

What about 'Irish twins' and 'the Irish curse'?

When I started racing in 1985, we used to call it a hash pipe.

I apologize to asthmatics or those with COPD who find "Weezer" offensive

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"People living with asthma" is the preferred term, I do not wish to be defined by my disorder.

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Well I don't know what the "irish curse" refers to, but "irish twins" is a few decades past relevance. Might once have had a grain of truth to it.

Gotcha, thanks

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Count me also as one who doesn't think the OP is out of line for expressing his feelings. I'm not one to use the term crack pipe, but now having heard the OP's perspective, it's not something I would do at all.

That said, I have enjoyed (for the most part), the razzing that's entailed.

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Your post resembles this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBdnyrzq96s

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

I honestly don't know what else to call my crack pipe.

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well, if you use it for smoking crack.....

otherwise, call it by the old name - hash pipe, 'cuz stoners are too baked to get offended.

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Seriously? That's a thing?
Then I reckon that one will have an even harder time standing up to statistical scrutiny than the other ;)

(Oops, was that a double puntendre?)

As a resident of a state with legal recreation MJ, I find the usage of the term "stoner" to be offensive.

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I'm offended that youre looking out for people whose bad decision making led them to the situation which they are in and caused a demand for drugs in the USA which resulted in a Mexican drug war which killed over a hundred thousand Mexicans. Many whom were innocent and in no way involved in drug smuggling or even drug use. As a Mexican I am offended, triggered, butthurt and all of the related buzzwords that you would defend the people whose use of crack pipes caused so much suffering in my country, I'm asking you to be considerate and stop this.

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i need some help - i'm constantly getting in trouble for the words i use

soo can someone render a verdict on the word taint?? I'm guessing some how it is offensive to a person's balls and a-hole????

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Irish twins = two children born 9months apart. 'Cause the Irish church don't allow birth control.
The term is incredibly offensive to actual Irish twins, many of whom may also be fisherpeople living with asthma.

Can I get a ruling on power crank? yay or nay

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Page one, but noone complained about cockpit yet

I think that's been relaxed to within the same year

And Irish Protestants are offended

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Although some of the girls cracked under pressure, Chloe Kim beasted the pipe.

I'm a little offended over the fact we seem to be neglecting crackwhores through this whole conversation.