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No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan
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As mentioned in previous Slowtwitch Posts, I'm organizing a self-supported Iron-distance triathlon in the South Okanagan on the last weekend of August this year. So far we have a half-dozen of us crazy ole buzzards who are forgoing the hype and hoopla and keeping it real. Below is a FAQ for the event. More details you can get at kknnheinze@yahoo.com.

IronSoul 2018


Unsponsored, Unsupported, Unspoiled


What it is/What it isn't


The IronSoul 2018 is an unsupported Iron Distance event held in the South Okanagan the last Sunday in August (August 26).


It is not a race. You won't get a finisher's medal, you won't qualify for Kona, and you (probably) won't hear Steve King announce your name along with the results of the last ten Ironmans you have done as you cross our “finish line.”


What you will get is an opportunity to test yourself on the original, legendary, Ironman Canada course. Do it once and brag for the rest of your life!!!


Why we are doing this?


The idea came because Ironman Canada moved to Whistler, Challenge Penticton folded, and most of us old bastards are genetically programmed to do an Iron Distance “something” the last weekend in August in the South Okanagan. We also want to see how we stack up to our former selves on the original course that we did for all those years.


What do I have to do as a participant?


We organized this event for friendship and fitness not profit or promotions. Getting 6 people on the “start-line” would be a success. Getting 25, the original number of Ironman Canada participants in 1983 would be amazing. Kind of like coming full-circle.


As a participant an unsupported event, you'll need to have the fitness, food, and course knowledge to complete it on your own. Think of this as a long-training day with some like minded folks and you'll be in the right head space for this event.


The course (subject to change)


Swim: from the buoy at the Big Peach to the SS Sicamous (twice).


Bike: Big Peach to East Side Road via Government Street. (more details later). Once on Lakeside Road, it follows the “Classic” route to Osoyoos via 97, Richter Pass, Cawston out and back, Yellow Lake, back to 97 into Penticton, stay on 97 and turn onto Lakeshore.


Run: Big Peach, Lakeshore onto Channel Parkway Path, through Skaha Park onto Lakeside, to Ok Falls, t/around at Christie Memorial Park in OK Falls.


FAQ (I'm sure this will grow over the next few months)


Will there be aid stations?


Don't count on it. A few folks on Slowtwitch said they'd be willing to provide support for the run. That would be great, but again, don't count on it.


As well, you are responsible for the logistics such as where your wetsuit is going after you are done the swim. And of course, there is the issue of your bike.


Do I have to do it all?


No, however, since the main idea here is to TEST YOURSELF against your former self on THE LEGENDARY course, it would be cool if you did but we don't want any casualties out there.


How do I sign up?


You don't really “sign anything” as this is NOT a race. But to let me know you are probably going to be there would be swell. Just respond to this thread with your e-mail address and I will start to compile a database.

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Last edited by: Hydrosloth: Feb 3, 18 10:32
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Dude, this sounds awesome, love the idea. If your first one is a success and I suspect it will be, I'd consider flying out from the east coast in 2019 for this. Always wanted to do the original IMC.

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [novaboy] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the support. For me success = six of us. Any > would be a bonus to a point. I figger that letting folks know that there are no Kona slots is a sure way of keeping numbers down.

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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I can't commit to this right now...but it would be so fun to do just on a whim. So...I'm a possible maybe!

Brent

DFRU - Detta Family Racing Unit...the kids like it and we all get out and after it...gotta keep the fam involved!
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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I hope rhys is seeing this ,he is the new president of the Penticton triathlon club maybe he can get the word out by news letter. The few people I've talked to about it also sound interested.

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Kirch] [ In reply to ]
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I'm pretty sure that Rhys responded to one of my previous posts on this. The interest in this is also building here in the Fraser Valley. Our first female participant!

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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This sounds so super cool. Too bad I can't make it but hopefully will in few years when kids are bigger.
My prediction is that the event will grow in popularity, kinda like grand fondo, the city will start to require you to have permit and insurance which means entry fees, then the tri industry will notice and offer to sponsor, you will accept because of expenses to organize it all and WTC will approach you...oh wait....
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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I'll go down as maybe. It's definitely appealing, I've done IMC in Penticton three times (I think I even beat dfru once, before he got blazingly fast and I quit tri (no correlation)). I'm not one of those who thinks it's god's will to have a race in Penticton, but it's definitely fun. Only issue for me is I was planning on ending my tri season in the middle of July to get ready for CX season (which starts ridiculously early, we can all agree).

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Glad to see my favorite course "revived." Good luck with this endeavor.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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As someone who did the original IMC course four times and took on the Kona course unsupported three times I love your idea and wish you well. What is the longest runners will have to go between places where they can get cold liquid from a store or a park? I think that will be the key. Keeping fueled, hydrated and cool was definitely the key for me in my unsupported attempts. The first time I did the Kona course unsupported I had a buddy follow me the entire marathon in a car giving me water and ice which was a huge benefit compared to later attempts when I didn't have any help.

I think I bought a t-shirt in Penticton one year (not an official IM shirt) that may have had Iron Soul on the shirt. I'll see if I can dig it out.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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I did IMC 10 times and to this day I still miss it dearly and can't believe there isn't an iron-distance race on that course. I'm hoping to to the line at Tremblant the week before but maybe I'll come out and do the bike or volunteer at an aid station on the run :) !!
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Mark Lemmon] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for your interest & questions!
Seems like there is a fair bit of interest here for this to go ahead.
I've received a note off-line saying that we can probably get some on course support that day, however, for now, let's assume it's non-supported.
To answer your question, it will be the run that will present the biggest challenge. Places to fill your bottle or Camelback on the run would be:


  • Big Peach at the start has a water fountain.
  • Skaha Beach Marina washroom has a water fountain.
  • As of right now the problem area is from Skaha Beach to Christie Memorial Park in OK Falls. That park has a washroom with water taps. I can't remember if it has a fountain. Google Maps says it is 14 K. Hoping we can get some support at the turn-off for Blasted Church Winery.
  • Same stops on the way back.


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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Hydrosloth wrote:
Thanks for your interest & questions!

Interested from afar (Ohio). My IM days are done. :)

I found the shirt - it said Ironspirit not Ironsoul. Didn't post a photo of the shirt because I don't think providing a t-shirt is one of your goals. Have fun planning this!
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [spudone] [ In reply to ]
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spudone wrote:
Fix that bike course so you get rid of the out & back overlap section :)

Ha, it's been 5.5 years now and my nuts still feel that section.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [logella] [ In reply to ]
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They fixed a lot of the out and back. I did as part of Ultraman last year. Not too bad.

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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I did IMC Penticton 91/92/94/95/97/08 before doing Whistler 14/15

I would love to join you guys, but I am waiting for a disc surgery (or not, you know how our communist system works) and for now, I just swim a ton and do some random shuffling on the treadmill and no real riding other than messing around my my spin bike and trying to ride for 10 min at a time without leg spasms, but no luck lately. I will be there with you guys in spirit!
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Do you remember Craig Birk from the Gordo Forum days? I'm TRYing to coax him out. I see a tag team!

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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 it will be the run that will present the biggest challenge.
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this seems to be a convenient place for ultrarunners to tell how they manage being out in the wilderness and take food and liquids to see them through. i'm sure it's a highly specific deal (art form?), but they seem to go about it so that it works for them.
peggy
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pmcdc wrote:
it will be the run that will present the biggest challenge.
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this seems to be a convenient place for ultrarunners to tell how they manage being out in the wilderness and take food and liquids to see them through. i'm sure it's a highly specific deal (art form?), but they seem to go about it so that it works for them.
peggy

When we had our annual epicman lake placid event (3K swim, 180K bike, 21K run) all unsupported, the way we did it, was pre position aid stations in the bushes beside the run course. Everyone knew where the "stashes" were, and it was community contribution in the sense that we would all go to the grocery store the nite before and drive out onto the course and stash the goodies in the bushes. There were a few years when some people could not find the "aid stations" as they were too "well stashed" (so that locals did not think it was garbage and throw all the goodies out). In any case, the way to support the run is to pre establish some aid station locations and put coke, gatorade, pretezels, chocolate, gummy bears etc etc at the locations. With an out and back course, this makes it pretty easy. But everyone has work it together.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I know my wife said she would man a aid station on the run so it will just take some pre planning. It's going to be a blast preface drinks at my house.

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Kirch] [ In reply to ]
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That would be great if we could get an aid station on the run. We've also had some other voices chime in off-line from the Pentic. area, so it does not seem like we will necessarily have to drink from Skaha!

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a very tempted.

If there are aid stations, I'd like to suggest some ice cold beer on the way back from Skaha.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Kirch] [ In reply to ]
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I hear you! I hear you!

I will bring forward to club how we can help.

If this grows beyond a handful lets be cognizant of road rules and neighbours. Sounds fun. I can foresee my doing swim/bike

@rhyspencer
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [rhys] [ In reply to ]
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One of the advantages of folks not "having" to do the whole thing is that, maybe, they could volunteer for a different segment of the course. For sure we will NOT wanna be arrogant and disrespectful out there. Just because there will be no draft marshals doesn't mean we ride side by side and block traffic.

And thanks for your support Rhys.

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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I love this course. In fact, yesterday I did my "Super Bowl Sunday crazy ride" . 6 hours on the Computrainer IM Canada (Penticton) course. I miss the 2 passes and the Seven "bitches". Flew out this past year for the ITU LC World's and enjoyed Penticton more then ever. Was happy to try several of the new wineries as well.
I may just fly out from New Jersey for this if it fits into my schedule.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Just like the good ole days everyone should start the bike together and work as a peloton to Osoyoos.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Just moved to Lake Country....did IMC 2010....love that course.. Last weekend in Aug...hmmm...a week after the Apple....I'm old and slow but just might give it a go!
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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I would like to participate. I expect to be able to bring at least one volunteer.


Mr. Hydosloth, do you think your graphic artist-daughter would be willing to produce an "IronSoul 2018" Race-Poster? I haven't got a poster from Penticton since Challenge '14, and I sure do miss the posters.


Thanks for arranging this!
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [BackSlash] [ In reply to ]
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No finisher's t-shirts, but I will have some off-white cheap polyester t-shirts that I found at Winners for $1.49. We can decorate them with some used Crayolas at Salty's after we are done!

In all seriousness, it's great to hear you are in, and also gratifying to see how much on-course support for our "Log-Training-Day-It-Is-NOT-A-Race-In-The-South-Okanagan-The-Last-Sunday-In-August" is getting.

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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this is awesome! ive already got too many things planned for the summer so i'm out - but i wish you best of luck
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Following - Great leadership!
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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I'm nearby the course and used to train many times on the bike/run course, so am interested and supportive of this big day workout. I may try to convince one of the former winners to participate, although not sure he (or even I for that matter) can spare a full day of running around and away from the families. A bit intimidated of the run as don't want to trash myself if I do a fall marathon/trail race but maybe it can serve as base training if I throw in a bunch of walking on the run course (wouldn't be an irondistance event if there wasnt a bunch of walking right?). Great initiative and echo the caution and emphasis around being respectful on the roads as this is an unofficial event.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Not trying to hijack the thread, but we did a similar event in Hawaii in 1985, same date as the original, same course, same rules, etc. I was the “RD” and organizer, closelycoordinating with Valerie Silk and the IM office, who were extremely supportive.

Post race, Valerie sent a congratulations telegram to our awards pizza dinner and the Honolulu paper did an article.

Pretty cool to do the original race, under the same circumstances and conditions.

It would be great to go back to Penticton and do it again.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Tri-Bum] [ In reply to ]
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It is neat to hear that this sort of thing has been done before, (successfully) on a course equally as EPIC as the classic IMC route.

One thing that will make the bike route easier in 2018, is that the pavement on the Cawston out and back is much better now as compared to a lot of those events from about 2000-2016.

So, if you want to bring out your Softride FASTT, Kestrel KM40, ZIPP 2001, QR KILO, Lightspeed Blade, or Cervelo EYRE, this would be the UNSUPPORTED UNOFFICIAL event to flaunt your vintage steed.

Unlike your experience in '85, I'm not expecting any support from "The Corporation" with this thing!

Valerie Silk, on the other hand...

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Keep me in the loop on this event. I won't be able to race the full, but would be up for helping out in some way!

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Cool idea, this sounds more fun than an official race at this point! They have a grassroots race in Long Beach called Bayshore 70.4. It started this same way, but now has about 200 participants. I did it for the first time last year and had more fun there than any tri in recent memory. It was like stepping back 30 years to what I think the origins of triathlon would have been like.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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With response like this your numbers will probably exceed the last year of Challenge Penticton race for the iron distance. 😳

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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YAAAASSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is awesome. IMC LIVES!

36 kona qualifiers 2006-'23 - 3 Kona Podiums - 4 OA IM AG wins - 5 IM AG wins - 18 70.3 AG wins
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Kirch] [ In reply to ]
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Kirch: I was up on the Yellow Lake climb in 2015 watching THE LAST cyclist come up. It was a very lonely place. The caravans were gone. Just her, me, and the sag wagon. I videotaped it for posterity.

Symonds: would be great if you could make it... in any capacity. It'll probably take that long for your legs to recover from yesterday's 1:08.

Update: right now we are at 10 "probably participants" and 7 "probably volunteers." If the volunteers follow through, we probably won't have to pull a Ned Overend and drink out of folks water hoses during the run.

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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I bet we can get Will or Jonny to help out.

I'm giving this some thought. For 6 years (racing/coaching/spectating) IMC was _the_ culmination of Summer. I've got motivation but no where to put it, maybe this...

I'd also be game with a tweaked bike course. Bonus, no cawston out and back.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [MarkyV] [ In reply to ]
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MarkyV wrote:
I bet we can get Will or Jonny to help out.

I'm giving this some thought. For 6 years (racing/coaching/spectating) IMC was _the_ culmination of Summer. I've got motivation but no where to put it, maybe this...

I'd also be game with a tweaked bike course. Bonus, no cawston out and back.

Oooh. Now THAT is a course.

There's a back route to Apex via Hedley too... but that would make it 210km and almost 3000m of climbing... and the road is gravel.
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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oh you shouldn't have....

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4k in 10 miles. 8+% on gravel... delicious.


The "marathon" will now involve running to Jonny's for a drink on the beach.

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So far we have a list of 12 folks who are firmly committed (and 10 who are somewhat committed) to doing the "event that is not a race."

One fella, who is known for having a stellar run in Kona after riding the last part of the bike with one leg says he will be with us, either participating or volunteering.

And for some even cooler news, I was chatting with Greg Cowan from F2C Nutrition. He said F2C might be able to provide us with a couple of on-course aid stations! They said they may even have a place to ditch our bikes, instead of us just putting them in our vehicles! Their help, along with the folks who have also committed to providing us with an aid station for the run course, should make our day even more pleasant.

Remember, you don't have to do the whole thing. Do part of it. Or, if you are a well-connected (and liked) person make it a relay.

So far, our post-event fun will be held at Salty's.

Who else is in?

Reply below & I'll add you to the database.

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan ** Update [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Kudos to Heinzey,

Some of my fondest memories in our sport have been out on that course during a race day or supporting athletes training.

Let me know if there is anything that we can do to make the day better for all and what might help with your epic training day. I thought the suggestion to have the riders "leave as a group and peleton down to Osoyoos" was an epic suggestion!

Not trying to give "corporate help", especially as were not anything like a Wiley Triathlon Corporate/Syndicate entity. Worste case scenario maybe donate a pitcher of beer or two at Salty's as long as Rhys shares the beer and possibly has a basement couch free, CCF/Nordic Skier/ and Symonds join it it would be a long, fun rewarding say out there!

Also, Jeff "The Chef" at Salty's makes a mean plate of Wings!

Anyway, you know how to reach me...

JSD

Joe Dixon
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Westwood Lake, Oliver Half & Aquabike,
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan ** Update [Ironboy] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the encouragement Joe.
I guess that I could have said as part of the title of this thread no draft marshalls either.
As we get a bit closer to the event that is not a race, I may have a few questions.
How many glow sticks should I buy.....?

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan ** Update [Ironboy] [ In reply to ]
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I may have to join in just to get in on the free beer..... hahaha

I have a bad habit of going out and riding the course solo, this would definitely be more fun, especially running after!!

I am doing IMC in July, and Super league the weekend before this adventure so may not be the freshest..... :p
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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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We are ten weeks away. I'd like to get some "firm-ish" numbers to do a bit of planning. Read the latest update here http://www.fitspeek.com

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Re: No three loop course here, no finisher's medals either. Going Long in the Okanagan [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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I was chatting with a friend about this event while I was in Oliver for the half, should see how interested he really is.

At this point I have whistler in July, nd super league the weekend before this.

If I do this, I may show up trashed, but if we are just taking it easy, could be a nice day out on a fantastic course :)
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