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another round of bans...lost count
 
Is vitus gone? What a dick. Unless he's been banned. In which case I have nothing to say.

Seriously, who has been added to the naughty list? I cannot keep track?
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
 
It doesn't appear that Vitus came down with a case of the bans. Looks like he's sitting it out right now instead. Whether or not that was of his own volition or an ask from above is anyone's guess. Doesn't matter, though.



ajthomas wrote:
Is vitus gone? What a dick. Unless he's been banned. In which case I have nothing to say.

Seriously, who has been added to the naughty list? I cannot keep track?
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
 
he has not been banned. if he's not posting it's because he doesn't want to post.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
 
Well, and I can't believe I noticed this, it has been 3 days since h2ofun has been on.....
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
 
Cruzevegas?

who's smarter than you're? i'm!
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
 
Quite possibly. His profile can't accept PMs right now, so he may have been banned or deregistered. Last logged on mid last week, though, Thurs 1/4. I thought this ban stuff didn't start happening until a couple of days later, though. I could never remember the spelling of his username -- CruseVegas.



veganerd wrote:
Cruzevegas?
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
 
We can't go around assuming anybody who takes time off is banned. Lots of people take breaks from the LR, sometimes long ones and come back when they're re-energized and want to play again.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
 
Slowman wrote:
he has not been banned. if he's not posting it's because he doesn't want to post.

This is what he told me last night:



If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Re: another round of bans...lost count [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
 
I'm sorry to hear that Vitus isn't posting, under any circumstances.

With ESM's, MJuric's, and Vitus's voices muted, who will carry the banner of intelligent, reasonable counterpoint to the idealists here?

patf, rick_pcfl, spot... Can you guys pick up the slack?


"100% of the people who confuse correlation and causation end up dying."
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [JSA] [ In reply to ]
 
I thought you were working late last night:

 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
 
I hope Blep is still here. That guy knew how ti have a good time! Just sayin'. ;-)

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Re: another round of bans...lost count [MOP_Mike] [ In reply to ]
 
MOP_Mike wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that Vitus isn't posting, under any circumstances.

With ESM's, MJuric's, and Vitus's voices muted, who will carry the banner of intelligent, reasonable counterpoint to the idealists here?

patf, rick_pcfl, spot... Can you guys pick up the slack?


Id agree with you on a couple of those guys...

who's smarter than you're? i'm!
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [MOP_Mike] [ In reply to ]
 
MOP_Mike wrote:


With ESM's, MJuric's, and Vitus's voices muted, who will carry the banner of intelligent, reasonable counterpoint to the idealists here?


Counterpoint to the idealists? Just questioning, because I'd consider the first two to be hardcore ideologues, and the 3rd not very far behind. I don't intend that as a pejorative, just a description: the arguments of ESM, for example, are strongly colored by his vision of the ideal world being one that adhered to his particular ESM-branded of school of libertarianism. And I think "pragmatist" was something of a dirty word to the first two.
Last edited by: trail: Jan 9, 18 14:25
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [MOP_Mike] [ In reply to ]
 
MOP_Mike wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that Vitus isn't posting, under any circumstances.

With ESM's, MJuric's, and Vitus's voices muted, who will carry the banner of intelligent, reasonable counterpoint to the idealists here?

patf, rick_pcfl, spot... Can you guys pick up the slack?


I count it quite the compliment to be included in that list. I will say that 8-10 years ago (and less) - nobody would have counted me as someone capable of providing a reasonable counterpoint to the idealists.

I have to give all the credit for my change in disposition to the people here who post thoughtful, intelligent and considerate opinions. My viewpoints on a number of things have changed as a result of the two-sided discussions that take place here. Had I been a participant of the conservative forums - I would still probably hold all conservative opinions.

<edit> Ow crap. I think I sprained my shoulder patting myself on the back. :)
Last edited by: rick_pcfl: Jan 9, 18 14:25
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
 
rick_pcfl wrote:

<edit> Ow crap. I think I sprained my neck...... :)

FIFY
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [JSA] [ In reply to ]
 
JSA wrote:
Slowman wrote:
he has not been banned. if he's not posting it's because he doesn't want to post.


This is what he told me last night:


yeah, as i recall he was pretty stridently against the bans. heated. but there you go. i piss off thousands every day. part of my job.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [trail] [ In reply to ]
 
trail wrote:
MOP_Mike wrote:


With ESM's, MJuric's, and Vitus's voices muted, who will carry the banner of intelligent, reasonable counterpoint to the idealists here?


Counterpoint to the idealists? Just questioning, because I'd consider the first two to be hardcore ideologues, and the 3rd not very far behind. I don't intend that as a pejorative, just a description: the arguments of ESM, for example, are strongly colored by his vision of the ideal world being one that adhered to his particular ESM-branded of school of libertarianism. And I think "pragmatist" was something of a dirty word to the first two.

You have a good point. I chose the word "idealist" as a less offensive alternative a lot of more pejorative terms, in keeping with my new-found desire to not be unnecessarily confrontational here. But, I suppose my intent was more towards countering "authoritarian collectivism" which I regard as naively idealistic, and of which there is a strong streak here in the LR, hence the inclusion of ESM on the list.

As an honorable mention, I'd also like to nominate dave_w to carry on in vitus's absence.

In the mean time, IIRC, vitus doesn't live far from me. So, I may look him up and buy him a beer. :-)


"100% of the people who confuse correlation and causation end up dying."
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]
 
It appears that it’s at least Duffy, Windywave, CruseVegas, and Old Hickory. Any others?

ajthomas wrote:
Is vitus gone? What a dick. Unless he's been banned. In which case I have nothing to say.

Seriously, who has been added to the naughty list? I cannot keep track?
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
 
Trump's balls will never be dirty again.

MidwestRoadie wrote:
It appears that it’s at least Duffy, Windywave, CruseVegas, and Old Hickory. Any others?

ajthomas wrote:
Is vitus gone? What a dick. Unless he's been banned. In which case I have nothing to say.

Seriously, who has been added to the naughty list? I cannot keep track?
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
 
Old hickory is gone?!?

Halle-freakin-lujah!!!

Time to strip down and start dancing in the streets. I'll brb.

Long Chile was a silly place.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
 
BCtriguy1 wrote:
Old hickory is gone?!?

Halle-freakin-lujah!!!

Time to strip down and start dancing in the streets. I'll brb.

A bit surprised by this one. He never added anything to the conversation, but I never felt he was derogatory in any way. He was the Flavor Flav to the slowtwitch right. They would talk and he would just come in behind with a "yeah boyeeee."
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [TimeIsUp] [ In reply to ]
 
TimeIsUp wrote:
BCtriguy1 wrote:
Old hickory is gone?!?

Halle-freakin-lujah!!!

Time to strip down and start dancing in the streets. I'll brb.


A bit surprised by this one. He never added anything to the conversation, but I never felt he was derogatory in any way. He was the Flavor Flav to the slowtwitch right. They would talk and he would just come in behind with a "yeah boyeeee."

I don't think the banhammer has been wielded as much as we're supposing it has. I just think some folks have decided to cool off (or go sit in a corner and sulk, take your pick) for awhile after the estimable Mr. Duffy -- with whom a few of them greatly sympathized -- determined to commit such a public display of Lavender Room suicide.

By the way; I agree with Lieutenant Dan's demurrals when it comes to laying down some sort of hard-and-fast list of things that'll get you hit by the banhammer. Once you do that some folks will immediately start litigating the list and others will turn it into holy writ, with them demanding that even the smallest violations be punishable by internet death.

Next thing you know, there's a star chamber up and running and that's when the real fun begins. ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
 
 
So to recap, who do we think we lost in the recent melee?

Duffy, Windy, Old Hickory, BLeP, CruseVegas, h2ofun...

Can anyone confirm or deny these and/or others?

If we lost h2ofun, does the tri forum even realise yet?
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
 
The report of my ban has been greatly exaggerated.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
 
BLeP wrote:
The report of my ban has been greatly exaggerated.

Well that's a relief.

Funny story. When I was about 6 years old, two ladies suddenly showed up at my house and when they saw my dad they flung themselves on him and said thank goodness you're still alive! Somehow a rumour had gone around the community (we lived on an island) that he had died. I think they were colleagues of his and it must have been the weekend, although I really can't recall the details very well. Pretty sure my mom was home at the time too. It was very odd.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
 
BLeP wrote:
The report of my ban has been greatly exaggerated.

Crap! Apparently Dan has been ignoring my PMs.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
 
Kay Serrar wrote:

If we lost h2ofun, does the tri forum even realise yet?


Well, he hasn't posted since 7 January. This for a guy who averages 5.3 ppd, and posted 16 times on Christmas day in an 8 hour span. I ran out of patience trying to find a day in which he hasn't posted prior to 8 January---didn't find one in the first 8 pages of his post history---seems he's been on a roll lately: many, many days in December that were 10-ish post days.

Seems pretty likely that he's in a time-out, at least.
Last edited by: Tom_hampton: Jan 10, 18 13:14
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
 
MidwestRoadie wrote:
It appears that it’s at least Duffy, Windywave, CruseVegas, and Old Hickory. Any others?

ajthomas wrote:
Is vitus gone? What a dick. Unless he's been banned. In which case I have nothing to say.

Seriously, who has been added to the naughty list? I cannot keep track?

Soooo, a bunch of conservatives yeah?

I can see why Duffy rubbed people the wrong way, he had no filter...I personally liked that, he added color to the LR (pun intended) but I can see why his act wore thin. Windy toed a line, to me, I thought he generally stayed on the good side of the line but whatever. Old Hickory and CV though? I might be missing something but aside from holding conservatives views, at least in the case of Old Hick not adding a single shred of substance to any discussion I didn't think they were at all derogatory or offensive or disrespectful.

I'm a good boy who abides by rules and I like this forum so I'm not gonna question any decisions made, but I'll just say that I'm pretty surprised if those two were banned (again, with the caveat that I certainly could have missed some posts that crossed a line, which is a distinct possibility).
Last edited by: Brownie28: Jan 10, 18 13:16
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
 
Almost all those were him replying to himself.......
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
 
Andrewmc wrote:
Almost all those were him replying to himself.......


 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
 
Oh....I KNOW. I avoided that thread for a really long time. I only got sucked into it by the threads about the thread.

Awenborn's chart of Dave's % of posts in that thread was awesome.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
 
It was almost gone. WHY ????

"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Brownie28] [ In reply to ]
 
I already received a bit of a warning myself for what I thought were a couple of innocuous opinions about the Duffy and Windywave bans, but admittedly with a bit of a snarky tone. It looks like those were removed by The Supreme Being of Slowtwitch. Given that situation, I'm not going to comment about my opinion on those it appears are banned or the choice to do so.

What I learned from this is that moderation in Slowtwitch is very different than that of other forums. That's neither good nor bad, but functionally other forums are moderated by multiple people and there are more rules for what is moderated, with the ideology of the forum or topics superseding the importance of the moderators. Here there's a little different twist in that this place is Dan's baby, his brainchild, his own creation leaving him another footprint on what triathlon is, so he his interest in curating it in a certain way supersedes what may be norms in other places, like a more concrete set of rules. It's one of those things that I kind of understood, but didn't really "get" until this ban situation. And my two rather benign comments in the scheme of what else is said in this forum, which would have been absolutely nothing in other forums, water off a ducks back, touched a nerve and were addressed in their own way, despite a really tame posting history. I'll look at it as a cultural difference compared to the other forums I've frequented and respect it for what it is. God knows I wouldn't want the job and headache of doing it differently.




Brownie28 wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
It appears that it’s at least Duffy, Windywave, CruseVegas, and Old Hickory. Any others?

ajthomas wrote:
Is vitus gone? What a dick. Unless he's been banned. In which case I have nothing to say.

Seriously, who has been added to the naughty list? I cannot keep track?

Soooo, a bunch of conservatives yeah?

I can see why Duffy rubbed people the wrong way, he had no filter...I personally liked that, he added color to the LR (pun intended) but I can see why his act wore thin. Windy toed a line, to me, I thought he generally stayed on the good side of the line but whatever. Old Hickory and CV though? I might be missing something but aside from holding conservatives views, at least in the case of Old Hick not adding a single shred of substance to any discussion I didn't think they were at all derogatory or offensive or disrespectful.

I'm a good boy who abides by rules and I like this forum so I'm not gonna question any decisions made, but I'll just say that I'm pretty surprised if those two were banned (again, with the caveat that I certainly could have missed some posts that crossed a line, which is a distinct possibility).
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Leddy] [ In reply to ]
 
Leddy wrote:
It was almost gone. WHY ????

sorry, couldn't resist ;)

I'm sure it will now
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
 
MidwestRoadie wrote:
I already received a bit of a warning myself for what I thought were a couple of innocuous opinions about the Duffy and Windywave bans, but admittedly with a bit of a snarky tone. It looks like those were removed by The Supreme Being of Slowtwitch. Given that situation, I'm not going to comment about my opinion on those it appears are banned or the choice to do so.

What I learned from this is that moderation in Slowtwitch is very different than that of other forums. That's neither good nor bad, but functionally other forums are moderated by multiple people and there are more rules for what is moderated, with the ideology of the forum or topics superseding the importance of the moderators. Here there's a little different twist in that this place is Dan's baby, his brainchild, his own creation leaving him another footprint on what triathlon is, so he his interest in curating it in a certain way supersedes what may be norms in other places, like a more concrete set of rules. It's one of those things that I kind of understood, but didn't really "get" until this ban situation. And my two rather benign comments in the scheme of what else is said in this forum, which would have been absolutely nothing in other forums, water off a ducks back, touched a nerve and were addressed in their own way, despite a really tame posting history. I'll look at it as a cultural difference compared to the other forums I've frequented and respect it for what it is. God knows I wouldn't want the job and headache of doing it differently.




Brownie28 wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
It appears that it’s at least Duffy, Windywave, CruseVegas, and Old Hickory. Any others?

ajthomas wrote:
Is vitus gone? What a dick. Unless he's been banned. In which case I have nothing to say.

Seriously, who has been added to the naughty list? I cannot keep track?

Soooo, a bunch of conservatives yeah?

I can see why Duffy rubbed people the wrong way, he had no filter...I personally liked that, he added color to the LR (pun intended) but I can see why his act wore thin. Windy toed a line, to me, I thought he generally stayed on the good side of the line but whatever. Old Hickory and CV though? I might be missing something but aside from holding conservatives views, at least in the case of Old Hick not adding a single shred of substance to any discussion I didn't think they were at all derogatory or offensive or disrespectful.

I'm a good boy who abides by rules and I like this forum so I'm not gonna question any decisions made, but I'll just say that I'm pretty surprised if those two were banned (again, with the caveat that I certainly could have missed some posts that crossed a line, which is a distinct possibility).

in my opinion, the two things I highlighted above are related. And they pose a danger to the future discourse of the forum. And they are why I stated on Sat that I think what occurred will create and overall shift in the forum.

Just because your opinion touched a nerve did not make it untrue, or invalid, or an opinion that shouldn't have been expressed. But you, like me, like many will cease from expressing our opinions as often as a result. And therefore the opinions expressed will look more and more alike.......
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
 
BLeP wrote:
The report of my ban has been greatly exaggerated.

So my plan didn't work. Damn! ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
 
Tom_hampton wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:

If we lost h2ofun, does the tri forum even realise yet?


Well, he hasn't posted since 7 January. This for a guy who averages 5.3 ppd, and posted 16 times on Christmas day in an 8 hour span. I ran out of patience trying to find a day in which he hasn't posted prior to 8 January---didn't find one in the first 8 pages of his post history---seems he's been on a roll lately: many, many days in December that were 10-ish post days.

Seems pretty likely that he's in a time-out, at least.

10-ish? What a wussy! ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
 
MidwestRoadie wrote:
I already received a bit of a warning myself for what I thought were a couple of innocuous opinions about the Duffy and Windywave bans, but admittedly with a bit of a snarky tone. It looks like those were removed by The Supreme Being of Slowtwitch. Given that situation, I'm not going to comment about my opinion on those it appears are banned or the choice to do so.

What I learned from this is that moderation in Slowtwitch is very different than that of other forums. That's neither good nor bad, but functionally other forums are moderated by multiple people and there are more rules for what is moderated, with the ideology of the forum or topics superseding the importance of the moderators. Here there's a little different twist in that this place is Dan's baby, his brainchild, his own creation leaving him another footprint on what triathlon is, so he his interest in curating it in a certain way supersedes what may be norms in other places, like a more concrete set of rules. It's one of those things that I kind of understood, but didn't really "get" until this ban situation. And my two rather benign comments in the scheme of what else is said in this forum, which would have been absolutely nothing in other forums, water off a ducks back, touched a nerve and were addressed in their own way, despite a really tame posting history. I'll look at it as a cultural difference compared to the other forums I've frequented and respect it for what it is. God knows I wouldn't want the job and headache of doing it differently.




Brownie28 wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
It appears that it’s at least Duffy, Windywave, CruseVegas, and Old Hickory. Any others?

ajthomas wrote:
Is vitus gone? What a dick. Unless he's been banned. In which case I have nothing to say.

Seriously, who has been added to the naughty list? I cannot keep track?

Soooo, a bunch of conservatives yeah?

I can see why Duffy rubbed people the wrong way, he had no filter...I personally liked that, he added color to the LR (pun intended) but I can see why his act wore thin. Windy toed a line, to me, I thought he generally stayed on the good side of the line but whatever. Old Hickory and CV though? I might be missing something but aside from holding conservatives views, at least in the case of Old Hick not adding a single shred of substance to any discussion I didn't think they were at all derogatory or offensive or disrespectful.

I'm a good boy who abides by rules and I like this forum so I'm not gonna question any decisions made, but I'll just say that I'm pretty surprised if those two were banned (again, with the caveat that I certainly could have missed some posts that crossed a line, which is a distinct possibility).

Do you know the history of how this insane asylum got started up? Why it's called the Lavender Room and all that? I wasn't here for the beginning, but I go back to '04 (minus my 5-year sabbatical hahahaha!). I think Dan tolerates this place more because he's a good guy and everyone needs an island of misfit toys to help out and look after, don't they? Surely it can't be for any socially redeeming value. ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [ironmayb] [ In reply to ]
 
I think you're being a little over-dramatic. It's pretty easy to know what kinds of opinions or comments are off limits. Making disparaging personal slights against people (especially those unble to defend themselves if they've been banned) and threatening people, are the most obvious ways to be banned. Posting on behalf of a banned person may be cause too, but beyond those things it's pretty hard. Perhaps hardened misogynistic, racial or sexual rhetoric could do it too. But one should know oneself if you're sailing that close to the wind.

So no, I don't think we're about to see more sanitized views here, even if you feel the need to self-restrain.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [ironmayb] [ In reply to ]
 
The bold didn't work on my computer, so I narrowed it down to what the editor showed you bolded.

I have to agree with this. Danger might be a stronger word than I'd use, but a shift is certain. Maybe that's the goal given that there's a different culture in this forum compared to other places, and perhaps there's a goal of further curating it. I'm not sure. What I do know for sure is that I'll respect this as Dan's personal space more -- rather than a forum that's bigger than and beyond Dan -- and I'm left confused about whether or not it was questioning or pushing back against the particular moderating decisions in this very specific situation that got me warned or if it was the slightly snarky tone I used, which I didn't see as personally attacking nor mean spirited against an individual, but was a little flippant and sarcastic for sure. And not knowing what that line is makes me unsure of treading at all, much less treading lightly, and even much less treading toward an unknown line.



ironmayb wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
Given that situation, I'm not going to comment about my opinion on those it appears are banned or the choice to do so.

MidwestRoadie wrote:
And my two rather benign comments in the scheme of what else is said in this forum, which would have been absolutely nothing in other forums, water off a ducks back, touched a nerve and were addressed in their own way, despite a really tame posting history.


in my opinion, the two things I highlighted above are related. And they pose a danger to the future discourse of the forum. And they are why I stated on Sat that I think what occurred will create and overall shift in the forum.

Just because your opinion touched a nerve did not make it untrue, or invalid, or an opinion that shouldn't have been expressed. But you, like me, like many will cease from expressing our opinions as often as a result. And therefore the opinions expressed will look more and more alike.......
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
 
Kay Serrar wrote:

So to recap, who do we think we lost in the recent melee?

Duffy, Windy, Old Hickory, BLeP, CruseVegas, h2ofun...

Can anyone confirm or deny these and/or others?

If we lost h2ofun, does the tri forum even realise yet?


Duffy, windywave, Old Hickory, and CruseVegas. Don't know about h2ofun. I'm working on BLeP.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
 
big kahuna wrote:

10-ish? What a wussy! ;-)

Well, they were "that other forum" posts. Is there a conversion factor between LR posts and "other forum" posts?

Then again, he was mostly talking to himself...or FD, I don't know.

Anyway, he seems to be in exile now....self imposed or otherwise.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
 
MidwestRoadie wrote:
The bold didn't work on my computer, so I narrowed it down to what the editor showed you bolded.

I have to agree with this. Danger might be a stronger word than I'd use, but a shift is certain. Maybe that's the goal given that there's a different culture in this forum compared to other places, and perhaps there's a goal of further curating it. I'm not sure. What I do know for sure is that I'll respect this as Dan's personal space more -- rather than a forum that's bigger than and beyond Dan -- and I'm left confused about whether or not it was questioning or pushing back against the particular moderating decisions in this very specific situation that got me warned or if it was the slightly snarky tone I used, which I didn't see as personally attacking nor mean spirited against an individual, but was a little flippant and sarcastic for sure. And not knowing what that line is makes me unsure of treading at all, much less treading lightly, and even much less treading toward an unknown line.



ironmayb wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
Given that situation, I'm not going to comment about my opinion on those it appears are banned or the choice to do so.


MidwestRoadie wrote:
And my two rather benign comments in the scheme of what else is said in this forum, which would have been absolutely nothing in other forums, water off a ducks back, touched a nerve and were addressed in their own way, despite a really tame posting history.


in my opinion, the two things I highlighted above are related. And they pose a danger to the future discourse of the forum. And they are why I stated on Sat that I think what occurred will create and overall shift in the forum.

Just because your opinion touched a nerve did not make it untrue, or invalid, or an opinion that shouldn't have been expressed. But you, like me, like many will cease from expressing our opinions as often as a result. And therefore the opinions expressed will look more and more alike.......

yeah, I think danger is the wrong term. Not sure what to use.

whatever, the points I was trying to make were meant to help. We'll see how it goes from here. If it turns into a bunch of funny gif's and the same group bashing the same thing I can go almost anywhere to find that. Facebook works just fine. I hope it doesn't. But I sense the bolded part above is a circular conversation. And you cant moderate what someone doesn't post.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
 
big kahuna wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
I already received a bit of a warning myself for what I thought were a couple of innocuous opinions about the Duffy and Windywave bans, but admittedly with a bit of a snarky tone. It looks like those were removed by The Supreme Being of Slowtwitch. Given that situation, I'm not going to comment about my opinion on those it appears are banned or the choice to do so.

What I learned from this is that moderation in Slowtwitch is very different than that of other forums. That's neither good nor bad, but functionally other forums are moderated by multiple people and there are more rules for what is moderated, with the ideology of the forum or topics superseding the importance of the moderators. Here there's a little different twist in that this place is Dan's baby, his brainchild, his own creation leaving him another footprint on what triathlon is, so he his interest in curating it in a certain way supersedes what may be norms in other places, like a more concrete set of rules. It's one of those things that I kind of understood, but didn't really "get" until this ban situation. And my two rather benign comments in the scheme of what else is said in this forum, which would have been absolutely nothing in other forums, water off a ducks back, touched a nerve and were addressed in their own way, despite a really tame posting history. I'll look at it as a cultural difference compared to the other forums I've frequented and respect it for what it is. God knows I wouldn't want the job and headache of doing it differently.




Brownie28 wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
It appears that it’s at least Duffy, Windywave, CruseVegas, and Old Hickory. Any others?

ajthomas wrote:
Is vitus gone? What a dick. Unless he's been banned. In which case I have nothing to say.

Seriously, who has been added to the naughty list? I cannot keep track?

Soooo, a bunch of conservatives yeah?

I can see why Duffy rubbed people the wrong way, he had no filter...I personally liked that, he added color to the LR (pun intended) but I can see why his act wore thin. Windy toed a line, to me, I thought he generally stayed on the good side of the line but whatever. Old Hickory and CV though? I might be missing something but aside from holding conservatives views, at least in the case of Old Hick not adding a single shred of substance to any discussion I didn't think they were at all derogatory or offensive or disrespectful.

I'm a good boy who abides by rules and I like this forum so I'm not gonna question any decisions made, but I'll just say that I'm pretty surprised if those two were banned (again, with the caveat that I certainly could have missed some posts that crossed a line, which is a distinct possibility).


Do you know the history of how this insane asylum got started up? Why it's called the Lavender Room and all that? I wasn't here for the beginning, but I go back to '04 (minus my 5-year sabbatical hahahaha!). I think Dan tolerates this place more because he's a good guy and everyone needs an island of misfit toys to help out and look after, don't they? Surely it can't be for any socially redeeming value. ;-)

Two words. Mr. Tibbs. That is all you need to know.... (and I was here for the beginning)
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [JSA] [ In reply to ]
 
JSA wrote:
I'm working on BLeP.

Hasn't he admitted to carnal relations with certain mammalian subgroups? Shouldn't that warrant expulsion?
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
 
Kay Serrar wrote:
I think you're being a little over-dramatic. It's pretty easy to know what kinds of opinions or comments are off limits. Making disparaging personal slights against people (especially those unble to defend themselves if they've been banned) and threatening people, are the most obvious ways to be banned. Posting on behalf of a banned person may be cause too, but beyond those things it's pretty hard. Perhaps hardened misogynistic, racial or sexual rhetoric could do it too. But one should know oneself if you're sailing that close to the wind.

So no, I don't think we're about to see more sanitized views here, even if you feel the need to self-restrain.

The fact that you are prepared to make accusations that aren’t remotely true directly against people who aren’t here to defend themselves, and you do so without consequence puts you in a category where I will take your opinion for what it’s worth

You prove my theory more than disprove it
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [ironmayb] [ In reply to ]
 
ironmayb wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
I think you're being a little over-dramatic. It's pretty easy to know what kinds of opinions or comments are off limits. Making disparaging personal slights against people (especially those unble to defend themselves if they've been banned) and threatening people, are the most obvious ways to be banned. Posting on behalf of a banned person may be cause too, but beyond those things it's pretty hard. Perhaps hardened misogynistic, racial or sexual rhetoric could do it too. But one should know oneself if you're sailing that close to the wind.

So no, I don't think we're about to see more sanitized views here, even if you feel the need to self-restrain.

The fact that you are prepared to make accusations that aren’t remotely true directly against people who aren’t here to defend themselves, and you do so without consequence puts you in a category where I will take your opinion for what it’s worth

You prove my theory more than disprove it

This again? Really? Duffy was referring to *someone* whether or not he was right in his initial assumption of who that person was. He wrote what he wrote. I didn't accuse him of writing what he wrote. HE WROTE IT! The object of his ugly ire was a real person. How is this so hard for you to understand?

And all it proves is that you shouldn't say those things here about anyone, whether you're certain or uncertain of the exact person you're directing the comments towards. So I stand by what I wrote above.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [JSA] [ In reply to ]
 
From recent melee I think Katy also, I Tried but was unsuccessful. H20fun might have been banned for starting a never ending crank debate thread.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
 
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So no, I don't think we're about to see more sanitized views here, even if you feel the need to self-restrain.

Uh, um. The 2nd part of your sentence would lead to precisely the 1st. Nutmeg. ;-)
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
 
Kay Serrar wrote:
ironmayb wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
I think you're being a little over-dramatic. It's pretty easy to know what kinds of opinions or comments are off limits. Making disparaging personal slights against people (especially those unble to defend themselves if they've been banned) and threatening people, are the most obvious ways to be banned. Posting on behalf of a banned person may be cause too, but beyond those things it's pretty hard. Perhaps hardened misogynistic, racial or sexual rhetoric could do it too. But one should know oneself if you're sailing that close to the wind.

So no, I don't think we're about to see more sanitized views here, even if you feel the need to self-restrain.

The fact that you are prepared to make accusations that aren’t remotely true directly against people who aren’t here to defend themselves, and you do so without consequence puts you in a category where I will take your opinion for what it’s worth

You prove my theory more than disprove it

This again? Really? Duffy was referring to *someone* whether or not he was right in his initial assumption of who that person was. He wrote what he wrote. I didn't accuse him of writing what he wrote. HE WROTE IT! The object of his ugly ire was a real person. How is this so hard for you to understand?

And all it proves is that you shouldn't say those things here about anyone, whether you're certain or uncertain of the exact person you're directing the comments towards. So I stand by what I wrote above.

Yes this again....

I respectfully disagree with what you wrote above

I also respectfully decide to remove myself from this discussion. Based on your user name and your opinions I don’t believe anything good can come of it for me. Maybe nothing bad but certainly nothing good

Good luck to you.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
 
Kay Serrar wrote:
JSA wrote:
I'm working on BLeP.


Hasn't he admitted to carnal relations with certain mammalian subgroups? Shouldn't that warrant expulsion?

Pretty sure. I think ground squirrels, for one, are now on the endangered species list because of him. ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
 
Kay Serrar wrote:
JSA wrote:
I'm working on BLeP.


Hasn't he admitted to carnal relations with certain mammalian subgroups? Shouldn't that warrant expulsion?

If it was consensual coitus with the largest extant species in the deer family, it would be bad enough. But, he cannot even make that claim.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [LuckyLo] [ In reply to ]
 
LuckyLo wrote:
From recent melee I think Katy also, I Tried but was unsuccessful. H20fun might have been banned for starting a never ending crank debate thread.

Not sure I understand what you are saying here. Katy was not banned.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [ In reply to ]
 
to no particular person: last call. get your last licks in. bar's closing. there is a new thread designed to illuminate on the issue of moderation, and to, hopefully, wind that discussion down.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
 
This seems like an appropriate closing meme, from Dan to us LR idiots.




Slowman wrote:
to no particular person: last call. get your last licks in. bar's closing. there is a new thread designed to illuminate on the issue of moderation, and to, hopefully, wind that discussion down.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Brownie28] [ In reply to ]
 
Brownie28 wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
It appears that it’s at least Duffy, Windywave, CruseVegas, and Old Hickory. Any others?

ajthomas wrote:
Is vitus gone? What a dick. Unless he's been banned. In which case I have nothing to say.

Seriously, who has been added to the naughty list? I cannot keep track?

Soooo, a bunch of conservatives yeah?

I can see why Duffy rubbed people the wrong way, he had no filter...I personally liked that, he added color to the LR (pun intended) but I can see why his act wore thin. Windy toed a line, to me, I thought he generally stayed on the good side of the line but whatever. Old Hickory and CV though? I might be missing something but aside from holding conservatives views, at least in the case of Old Hick not adding a single shred of substance to any discussion I didn't think they were at all derogatory or offensive or disrespectful.

I'm a good boy who abides by rules and I like this forum so I'm not gonna question any decisions made, but I'll just say that I'm pretty surprised if those two were banned (again, with the caveat that I certainly could have missed some posts that crossed a line, which is a distinct possibility).

I was thinking the same thing. OH never said enough to be offensive. It was just oatmeal.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [j p o] [ In reply to ]
 
j p o wrote:
Brownie28 wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
It appears that it’s at least Duffy, Windywave, CruseVegas, and Old Hickory. Any others?

ajthomas wrote:
Is vitus gone? What a dick. Unless he's been banned. In which case I have nothing to say.

Seriously, who has been added to the naughty list? I cannot keep track?

Soooo, a bunch of conservatives yeah?

I can see why Duffy rubbed people the wrong way, he had no filter...I personally liked that, he added color to the LR (pun intended) but I can see why his act wore thin. Windy toed a line, to me, I thought he generally stayed on the good side of the line but whatever. Old Hickory and CV though? I might be missing something but aside from holding conservatives views, at least in the case of Old Hick not adding a single shred of substance to any discussion I didn't think they were at all derogatory or offensive or disrespectful.

I'm a good boy who abides by rules and I like this forum so I'm not gonna question any decisions made, but I'll just say that I'm pretty surprised if those two were banned (again, with the caveat that I certainly could have missed some posts that crossed a line, which is a distinct possibility).

I was thinking the same thing. OH never said enough to be offensive. It was just oatmeal.

Maybe OH went postal at Dan privately. But if he was banned for never adding anything substantive to a conversation, then why is efernand still here? (Pink, sorta)
 
Re: another round of bans...lost count [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
 
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