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Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist
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Dan started a thread recently on the best stuff from 2017, and I think there was a lot of good stuff. In no particular order, I have been impressed by the following: TriRig Omni and especially the new TriRig inline extension mount for the Alpha X; Cervelo P5-X; Profile Design Aeria Ultimate; 51 Speed Shop front end; Culprit flat kit; Garmin Vector 3s, Zwift (not new, but expanding so quickly it's basically a whole new service); Shimano's new slate 80xx, 91xx, and XT Di2; 3T Strada; and 3T 9-32T cassette. Also impressive is CeramicSpeed's new stuff and their lab and new found marketing substance, even as I would never pay the freight.

Premier Bike deserves a special mention because they delivered the most unique, best-executed debut bike and case and build/fulfillment customer experience, and they are making the chains and pulleys now and undermining CeramicSpeed. Strava took a big step with algorithmic presentation and non-activity communication, and the service continues it's rise as possibly the most important social force in these sports. I think Strava wins service of the year honors, Premier Bike wins the small company / start-up product(s) of the year, and 3T wins product of the year for an established firm.

But I am still mystified at what doesn't exist and/or what continues to be totally awful as I observe systemic declines in the sport. Why aren't the incumbent firms innovating faster and better? Why is this space so ripe for disruption but not really being disrupted? Is the decline in participation partially the result of the industry's failure to disrupt itself?

My thoughts:

Service-Only LBS: Is there a bigger problem for cycling and triathlon than the demise of the local bike shop? Think of this like a medical office or other staid commercial space where you go and bring your bike for mechanical services and maybe services like fits as well as installation of products sold directly to the consumer online. This place would stock BBs and other small parts necessary for common mechanical work, but they would not charge me outrageous amounts to offset the cost of the bricks. The guys working at some of these places are often jerks and I would be too if I made $11 per hour for work that should command twice that, at least, but I can't be paid that because of the retail overhead. The cycle is ugly.

Mobile LBS: This is supplementary. One of the mechanics from the Services LBS comes to your house to help fit you or simply wrench on your bike while a qualified person fits you remotely (we'll get to this). Why aren't $12 per hour mechanics who have a following of loyal clients at their LBS branching off and doing something like this? They aren't thinking or don't know how to market themselves and their services or aren't backed by the manufacturers and product companies who should be their ally.

Group/Community Rides IRL: You can find all these people to ride with virtually, but you increasingly cannot find anyone or a group to ride with on a nice day. There has to be a strategy for us to facilitate group rides in real life, because these shared experiences are what bring new people into the sport and help them get over their fears and eventually walk the marathon at an IRONMAN.

Bike shops today are failing to sustain the community and social aspects of the sport that are its foundation. Digital communities are emerging like this one, but not all of them spread offline. When is the last time you rode with someone you met on Zwift? Someone could and should step in. Strava may be best suited to facilitate local and hyper-local interaction, because their platform is how I have found almost everyone I ride with, outside of slowtwitch, but they are a very focused and conservative company that is content to grow the customer base patiently and keep the product itself simple and effective. As a social institution and agent for community, Strava may be the most valuable service we have. Private messaging on Strava would go a long way, and maybe that's part of the freemium model. Making 'events' for individuals rather than their poorly executed challenges and groups, or for riders in a specific location to get out there together. So basically Zwift, but with real life rides? Meet ups, but like, we can actually meet up. It's nice out.

Peloton Competitor: Local shops and performance cycling studios are all but dead, but Peloton is crushing it, and it irks me because it is such a lame and embarrassing product and because that customer is someone who could and would be better served by a different product and maybe by a more serious performance application. That person may be more enriched by actual cycling, both indoors and outdoors.

There's a better product. The product is something like a combination of the Wahoo Kickr with an LCD display/computing system that is svelte and beautiful and adjustable and can run all the apps, including Zwift / TrainerRoad and even provide entertainment from Netflix / Sling TV, and instead of being locked into the hardware indoors, it ships with an entry level bicycle that can be removed from the system and ridden outside on a nice day. This kind of product could be offered for $2,000 and the system wouldn't see rapid obsolescence as technology advances. And it would help this sport. We laughed at the SpeedX Unicorn, but these guys have the right idea because that bike is like a combination of Peleton for normals but with competitive / performance cycling product elements.

Products like this offer a platform to introduce the cycling and fitness experience to others who through this product come to be more serious about it and maybe even to love this sport that is dying partly because it doesn't have an acquisition strategy (or a retention strategy for the athletes WTC IRONMAN chews up and spits out penniless and soul broken, but that's another thread).

Virtual Fit: Fits are important for performance and comfort, and they are a critical part of the bike purchase experience, but there are few spaces I can think of where the incompetence is so prevalent. Let's fix that. What's going on that I can't pay Luscan or Steinmetz or someone like that to analyze and respond to videos of me riding on the trainer on a new bike (i.e. for consulting as I dial in a fit)? Why is there no transactional services marketplace for bike fitting? Bill me like a lawyer at 0.3 increments. Bill me by the video. Bill me somehow but don't make me go to Manhattan or Atlanta or Denver to find competence. I am not a fitter, but I am better than most, and I have been helping a few people remotely and entirely remotely. The model works, and I don't see why it isn't the future model and a better model for an objective that is fundamentally iterative and episodic. All those fit systems and lasers are tools, sure, bu in general the people who peddle them are also tools. Very few of us need that nonsense.

This is a real business opportunity if a fitrepreneur can not only sell himself but take a cut from the sales of others by introducing a commercial platform for those sales. Bonus points if he can figure out how to also sell bikes and set them up. These ideas aren't mutually exclusive.

SRAM Products: There has rarely been a more attractive business opportunity for SRAM than proprietary 1x, but they continue to not deliver anything for the road 18 months after eulogizing the front derailleur offroad. Once again, the opportunity to lock up a SRAM hub standard (the XDR driver) presents itself and yet they don't even seem to be working on road 1x. We got a rear derailleur for eTap that is non clutch and works up to 36 teeth. 1x and disc braking are the biggest product changes that this space has seen in years, and SRAM could corner the market with aggressive introduction and deployment of a few cassettes and a 12 speed road groupset for the road. Wake up SRAM!

3T gets all this. SuperDave makes the point that your bike hasn't really improved since 2010. You got one extra cog since the original Di2, but what else has changed? Sadly 3T isn't a cold forging company like Shimano -- they are a carbon fiber component company -- so they are having trouble making the 1x component, the 9T or 10T cassette, I suspect, that functions (i.e. shifts) as it ought to, which is to say, like a SRAM or Shimano cassette but with the right cogs. And 3T can't make a groupset so their hands are tied beyond giving us a cassette and a few great and innovative bicycles.

Zipp: Same company. But really, these guys are giving us outlandishly priced whale wheels. All I want is a very wide (22-23mm ID), very light, fast, tubeless ready 404 with disc braking. Actually, I want any company to give me that in a 50mm to 60mm depth. Zipp spent so much time with marine life that the 303 tubeless disc that came out was uncharacteristically bad -- heavy, and with unimpressive spec. But the 454 858 things, come on. We don't want more expensive wheels! We want better wheels at the same price. We want wheels that stop the bike in rain. The price cannot go higher and probably needs to go much lower. Soon, the China contingent will get to market. In mountain biking, I only buy wheels now from a firm called Nextie, because they rock and are $250 per rim and the braking is just as good as name brand wheels because that happens at the rotor now and not the rim. This will surely happen for me on the road, and I'll never buy from Zipp or Enve again when the Chinese firms catch up. But Zipp is going in the opposite direction. Dumb.

Shimano: It's tough to pick on these guys, because nearly everything they make is great. But same complaint as SRAM --why aren't they releasing a hub body driver for 9T or 10T and giving us amazing options for 1x on the road. This is a cold forging company but sadly they can't give me a group that would materially improve my road riding experience. SRAM ate Shimano offroad through strategic (or so it seemed) promulgation of the XD Driver and requisite cassette, which provided for a 10T and vastly increased range, so why didn't Shimano learn from this? Synchro Shift made sense off road, right? Right? Wrong. That was dead on arrival. Synchro Shift is seeing a bit more adoption on the road but only because we don't have cassettes for 1x. This is all so circular.

TriRig/Premier Bike/Culprit: The small guys are the light in the product space, but there are problems. We need a company in our space that thinks like Culprit -- the flat kit and stem ideation is great, even as it probably will never get to market; that designs and deliver aesthetically like TriRig; and executes/manufacturers like Premier Bike. This company needs to emerge because these three companies have fatal flaws. Culprit doesn't know how to get products funded and marketed and sold directly to consumers; TriRig has lapses and failures in execution via questionable manufacturing; and Premier Bike doesn't care how offensively ugly the color schemes and logos are. TriRig especially is innovating very fast and probably too fast, because quality design means little when the execution could cost you a collarbone. Premier Bike and TriRig would be the perfect match for a joint venture, but that will never happen.

Others: I have other small ideas. CeeGees needs competition. X-Lab needs competition. Dash especially needs competition and mass market adoption -- they make these saddles and they are great, but they are also crazy expensive and I have to buy it to try it (and risk having to interact with Weston). How insane is that? Send me the saddle and charge me for it, but refund my money when I hate it. This is how everything works now, but somehow component companies in our space get away without offering demo or trial periods for products that are totally personal and experiential. Let me return the saddle I don't like and then sell me on an alternative. Pay my return shipping. Basic stuff.

Anyways, these are all opportunities both to make money and to grow the sport. I hope that individuals and companies accelerate disruption in all of these spaces -- services and products for cycling and multisport -- and in a way that might slow or reverse the inexorable slide in multi-sport and performance cycling participation. While my money is on Dan Kennison/Premier Bike, 3T, 51 Speedshop, and a few others in the services realm, I don't know that it's enough to offset the cratering. The sport is dying because nobody or few are developing and selling products that would help attract new people, who may ultimately sustain it and grow it, like a WahooX Unicorn, and because nobody or few are developing services to foster the real-life community experience that will be lost if and when shops fold, like a Strava or a Zwift for real life riding and interaction.

I'm off to ride. Happy New Year.
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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Get back to small races. I search out the races that are local fundraisers and make a point to do them. There are a couple within an hour of the twin cities that are a 1/4 of the price and go to good causes but turnout is low. Triathlon is hard to put on. We need to be willing to get outside of Metro areas to go to races. These small races are what get a lot of people into the sport and have that friendly feel too them.

I think the Triple T theme needs to be expanded (especially in the North during the summer.

Overall I think there are not enough races in the middle of summer when people take time off with their kids.

Product wise I am on board with the LBS not being able to compete with online.
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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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What about a crowd-sourced mobile bike maintenance concept like Uber or Lyft? It seems like everyone dreams for a maintenance-only or mobile bike repair shop, but the economics seem daunting. It only needs an app...
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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Good list of suggestions. I'll comment on a couple.

Local Bike Shops could decide if they want to be primarily be retailers (Performance Bike) or service shops.

I get the best service at the small LBS. It's unfortunate that they (have to?) stock inventory at full price. As a buyer, I just can't see paying them double the price I could get it for. Happily though I will take them my bike for any service as they are convenient and I want them in business. If they could reduce inventory and expand/focus on service they would be farther ahead. Also could they make their wholesale suppliers price match so they can offer it too?

Again, expand service at the LBS. I have seen people leave with their bikes because they weren't willing to leave it with the LBS or Performance Bike for a few days or a week. People really aren't ready to schedule a bike repair like they would a car repair. People would also be willing to wait for same day service from a LBS like they would a broken down car.

Peloton slays me. The power of advertising. Especially during the TdeF. As you mentioned there are better options that were never marketed like Peloton. Marketing - Like your children will stay in bed in the morning until you get your workout done They will then come down the stairs smiling. Then your family will have a breakfast before your husband gets on the Peloton for his workout.

In other words, it's not necessarily a new product that is needed. It might just be how to better position existing services/products.

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My LBS has green test saddles of all sorts of makes/models. I ended up with my JOFF this way. Tried many that just didn't work. But you'd think a LBS with this sort of program could have a test model provided by Dash, as a way of the shop providing access to more sales & variety. The shop & Dash wins through a sale & the owner is stoked to find something that the others may not offer in comfort. If the shop didn't want to stock a lot then possibly an overnight or 2-day delivery window could be agreed upon (I don't own a shop so not sure what shop owners think about this).

On the Cee Gee front--love them! First thing I did when I got my Brezza II Limited was order a pair of Cee Gees & get rid of the thin ones provided. Hard to improve on something so awesome.

Kiley, you would know this more than I wilth your testing of equipment but...another to add to the list...TILTING ARMRESTS. An accessory company like Cee Gee that transforms all makes/models with the option of an up/down tilt and if possible, inward/outward swing and up-down adjustment. Cee Gee pretty much makes a pad for everything, I'd like to see an armrest or riser replacement company.
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We're lucky enough to have 2 options for mobile bike service local to me - Velofix, and Mobivelo. Fantasic, I use them all the time. They come to my office or home, work on the bike, and bingo... done. No taking trips into town to drop off, wait a week or something stupid like that, then another trip to pick up (meanwhile being without my bike). Plus, you can hang out and watch them if you have time... it's a fantastic way to learn some things about wrenching your bike.
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Some good points. I agree completely with your zipp comment. I cannot understand why people are buying these wheels when there are so many other options with great prices. My first thought is Flo. Great prices, and great customer service. Why wouldn't you buy these wheels? I do wish the track would stay black, or that they would just make them silver to begin with.
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kileyay wrote:
Strava took a big step with algorithmic presentation and non-activity communication, and the service continues it's rise as possibly the most important social force in these sports.

I know I'm turning into an old fuddy-duddy (at the ripe old age of 32), but why are Strava Athlete Posts interesting? Those and the algorithmic feed came about from a desire to raise platform engagement -- specifically, kudos and comments. Literally: their publicly stated motivation was that depending on when you posted a ride, you might miss something they call the "kudos window" during which... well, people are going to see your activity and give it kudos.

Sure, there's something like a dozen activities uploaded every second, so people are clearly engaging in some sense ... but not always with the mobile apps or the website. I think they lost interest in people reviewing activities and their training (probably because there's a plethora of competing tools), even though time-wise that could (but probably wasn't) maximizing time-on-site, and switched to counting kudos and comments as the only success metrics. But what does that actually get them? What do they really want out of this service besides a premium subscription fee with languishing premium features? Their user-facing product, outside the feed change, feels like it has barely changed from the fundamentals of activities, analysis, kudos, and comments.

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Mobile LBS: This is supplementary. One of the mechanics from the Services LBS comes to your house to help fit you or simply wrench on your bike while a qualified person fits you remotely (we'll get to this). Why aren't $12 per hour mechanics who have a following of loyal clients at their LBS branching off and doing something like this? They aren't thinking or don't know how to market themselves and their services or aren't backed by the manufacturers and product companies who should be their ally.

I remember a long, meandering thread on this forum featuring input from a property manager who said these things run afoul of zoning laws if they show up at commercially-zoned property.

While we're riding the ridiculous reasons train: In the city, everyone's least favorite thing is yet another delivery-like vehicle double-parking or "stealing" parking spaces. Maybe if you've got your own driveway this becomes more acceptable. Your neighbors usually only barely tolerate contractors showing up to work on your house. Growth of this sort of service turns every residential area into a place of business and it's magnified in dense areas. I don't think we should be encouraging the growth of "we'll come to you" sort of businesses -- not that I think a mobile bike repair shop is noisy and intrusive.

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Bike shops today are failing to sustain the community and social aspects of the sport that are its foundation. Digital communities are emerging like this one, but not all of them spread offline. When is the last time you rode with someone you met on Zwift? Someone could and should step in. Strava may be best suited to facilitate local and hyper-local interaction, because their platform is how I have found almost everyone I ride with, outside of slowtwitch, but they are a very focused and conservative company that is content to grow the customer base patiently and keep the product itself simple and effective. As a social institution and agent for community, Strava may be the most valuable service we have. Private messaging on Strava would go a long way, and maybe that's part of the freemium model. Making 'events' for individuals rather than their poorly executed challenges and groups, or for riders in a specific location to get out there together. So basically Zwift, but with real life rides? Meet ups, but like, we can actually meet up. It's nice out.

Ok, let's get back to Strava posts for a second. It seems like this is the natural way to broadcast to your buddies that you want to go for a ride, but it's algorithmic (side note: I don't really like this word as an explanation, because "sort by time" is also an algorithm), which means depending on how much your buddies are actually your buddies, they may not even see it ... and the only thing that bumps it up is engagement with the post (kudos/commenting). You could be shouting into the ether until one of your more popular friends makes the ride call. But, then again, it's always been like that.

You bring up the club event feature. The bad thing about this is that Strava kind of hides it off in the black morass of notifications (or riders have to go directly to the club page), and there's no reminder of upcoming events anywhere on the dashboard. I've mostly seen clubs just using club posts if they're approved for the feature, or ... Instagram?!

I guess there's no real substitute for just mass texting people.

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Peloton Competitor: Local shops and performance cycling studios are all but dead, but Peloton is crushing it, and it irks me because it is such a lame and embarrassing product and because that customer is someone who could and would be better served by a different product and maybe by a more serious performance application. That person may be more enriched by actual cycling, both indoors and outdoors.

There's a better product. The product is something like a combination of the Wahoo Kickr with an LCD display/computing system that is svelte and beautiful and adjustable and can run all the apps, including Zwift / TrainerRoad and even provide entertainment from Netflix / Sling TV, and instead of being locked into the hardware indoors, it ships with an entry level bicycle that can be removed from the system and ridden outside on a nice day. This kind of product could be offered for $2,000 and the system wouldn't see rapid obsolescence as technology advances. And it would help this sport. We laughed at the SpeedX Unicorn, but these guys have the right idea because that bike is like a combination of Peleton for normals but with competitive / performance cycling product elements.

Peloton sells to an audience that does not want to ride outdoors, wants the group fitness experience, and, weirdly, does not care about bikes but is happy to ride one indoors for fitness. The bike is all-inclusive and is always ready to go, so to speak. While it's enormously heavy at 135 pounds, it doesn't take up much room, and just requires WiFi, a subscription to their service, and shoes with Delta cleats. Peloton is competing with Flywheel and similar studios and not roadies and triathletes. SoulCyclers will still go to SoulCycle because it's branded as an entirely different experience. Most of my spin-class-going friends do not ever ride outdoors on a real bicycle, and most do not own one.

I wonder how they built the Peloton application. I believe their real "innovation" here is the content. I would consider exploring whether there is an audience for BYOB for power users, rather than attempting to build a competing platform that sells people a real bike. Would that get rid of some of the lame-ness of Peloton?

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Zipp

Isn't Zipp riding the "made in America" wave (some older hubs excepted) pretty hard -- like unusually so, because even the carbon rim fabrication is in in Indiana? Who else is and is also undercutting them for cost?
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The crucial product: a well marketed short-medium distance triathlon, priced at less than $100 and sold by a company with the ambition to increase participation in a region.

Every other innovation *does not matter* in a shrinking triathlon market. Unless they're Specialized, they're at risk of falling over. Or falling out of market segments - why do you think that Spez has not released a new tri bike despite a half-decade old product and owning the largest bike-specific tunnel in the world?

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Swim run that is individual not team event. Maybe it already exists.

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Rocky M wrote:
I'd like to see an armrest or riser replacement company.

This seems like a great idea until you test a tilting bracket on a basebar that wasn't designed for one and the basebar cracks. It's a risky proposition for an aftermarket company.

Bike brands need to understand bike fit better.
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In no particular order

Shimano are really letting consumers/the wider industry down by not having size scaled products (levers, cranks). When even the Chairwoman of Giant (who started Liv), the second largest company in the bike industry, can't persuade them to make shorter reach lever bodies it shows that they are happy to keep mucking around with making larger rear cogs and occasionally adding one.

Virtual fit - I've done this for people all over the world, when asked. Todd at ttbikefit built his business on it. It's a good way of helping someone who lacks access to good fit services. However, it's not my preferred option because it takes longer than an in-person fit (rider takes video, I analyse, give feedback, they make changes, video ad infinitum) and I don't get all the data that I would from using my analysis tools. Whatever Findinfreestyle is going to say in his articles about not needing 3D notwithstanding - there is info that simply can't be acquired by eye/laser/rider feedback and I don't like to charge full whack for a reduced service (but need to because of the time factor). Good fits are iterative, which can be an advantage of the 1 video per week approach, but often it means it takes weeks to determine something that would take 3mins in person.

Wheels - road disc may spell the death of a lot of aftermarket wheel brands. Bike brands can buy those same open mould rims provided by Nextie, so I expect that in a few years most midrange carbon disc bikes will have a 35mm carbon rim that is housebranded and has all sorts of acronyms stickered over it. And few people will bother changing. Plus it's not clear where road tyres are going to settle width wise. All in all - not surprising that wheel brands aren't leaping in to make a plethora of new disc specific options.

I agree that the bike fit part of the industry needs a shake up, though not as much as the general structure of retail. The low pay for mechanics is not something I'm familiar with as a good mechanic here is well recompensed.
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georged wrote:
The crucial product: a well marketed short-medium distance triathlon, priced at less than $100 and sold by a company with the ambition to increase participation in a region.

Every other innovation *does not matter* in a shrinking triathlon market. Unless they're Specialized, they're at risk of falling over. Or falling out of market segments - why do you think that Spez has not released a new tri bike despite a half-decade old product and owning the largest bike-specific tunnel in the world?

Hear you and I'm still concerned. We have two competing Tri-directors in the Atlanta area that put on sprints and Olympics at the price point you mention. Afraid to say it, it seems like participation is going down. Priced fairly. Close. Well run as they have been doing it for years.

People aren't feeling it like they used too. There doesn't seem to be widespread newbie excitement at this time. Older and experienced triathletes are also getting to be "been there, done that" with the shorter distances.

The desire for health and fitness is as great as ever. Many people are trying to figure that piece out, more so than race a triathlon.

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Thought of something else that might be good for the sport but it's blasphemous.

While the swim is daunting, the next most daunting part of the sport is the TRI-BIKE.

Many newbies and some deciding to continue may find the idea of the expense, garage space and training time on a tri-bike too much. We tell them just to start on a road bike. Yet, we and they know that the top competitors in their AG have tri-bikes. This could be another barrier to entry or continuing with the sport.

Wouldn't it be shocking to go a sprint/Oly where all the bikes HAD to be road bikes. Yes, there is a wide range of road bikes; yet visually people seem to be all about the same aero and doing the same sport.

Tri-bikes could still live well in the half and full IM space. But to delineate races for road bikes and races for tri-bikes might be a change up that helps newbies while creating some new buzz for experienced triathletes to manage to two bikes.

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Product/service: I've just been told that the only difference between 175 to 165s crank is where they drill the hole to create that length. What a wasted opportunity to drop some weight! We need a service that will take off that excess crank above the hole. Or, a company that will manufacture custom cranks. Cranks could be like pedals / saddles given enough time and money.

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Swim run that is individual not team event. Maybe it already exists.

I wonder if the reason that is not offered is because a RD could not safely monitor swimmers spread way out over the course, in other words the paired system is only for safety.
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coming off surgery, these recovery aids are very high on my mind:

Alter-G type assisted weight-bearing treadmills as standard equipment at gyms

a transformers-style brace that would offer full support immediately after surgery, stepping down in stages to enforce ROM, good patterning and strengthening as the structures heal

a non-spill cup holder for crutches
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IT wrote:

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Product/service: I've just been told that the only difference between 175 to 165s crank is where they drill the hole to create that length. What a wasted opportunity to drop some weight! We need a service that will take off that excess crank above the hole. Or, a company that will manufacture custom cranks. Cranks could be like pedals / saddles given enough time and money.


http://www.bikesmithdesign.com/Short_Cranks/
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len wrote:
Swim run that is individual not team event. Maybe it already exists.


I wonder if the reason that is not offered is because a RD could not safely monitor swimmers spread way out over the course, in other words the paired system is only for safety.

I figured that too but SOS (yeah yeah, there is one bike portion but it's mostly swim-run) is individual and achieves that, I assume with enough course support (and being lake based, perhaps?)

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I'd like:

Easier way to find good cycling routes in other areas/countries.

I've used Ride with GPS, Map My Ride, suggested Strava routes. Ride with GPS probably has worked best. But often these routes don't work out as expected. I've found myself on dirt paths, one way streets, roads with crazy traffic, etc.

What I'd like is a better way to filter and find "good" routes (without spending hours and hours). Maybe something like a set of "curated" routes ... or routes where others have verified ... or something. (i'd pay to be able to have a good, verified route)
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All I want is a cda number on my garmin,looks like I may be getting what I want,whether it will be of any use is another matter!
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I'd like:

A power meter that:

- lasts more than 2 years (or that has a much longer warranty!)
- allows me to use Speedplay pedals (or really any pedal system of choice)
- works whether using race wheels or training wheels
- user changeable battery (or battery that lasts a long, long time)
- is "reasonably" priced (relative, of course ... I'd put it at $1k or less)

Quarq fits many of those, except for #1.
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I don't understand why anyone likes the non-activity content in Strava, to me it just gets in the way of what I want to see as they try to be like FB and increase their valuation by serving yuppies. Regarding the XDR driver for SRAM, I think when you get below 11, you start to lose efficiency. I have a SRAM 1x set up on my bike, but 11 is fine as the fastest cog. You can always go bigger on the front chainring and you pay less of an aero penalty doing that than you do an efficiency penalty going to 10 or 9 teeth cogs in the bag.

As for what services don't exist? Some of these I think are coming but:
1. aerodynamic measurement on bikes (it is coming I think)
2. tubeless tires that don't pop off road bikes at high psi
3. bike shoes that electronically close up on your feet (kind of like the Back to the Future shoes) so you don't have to reach down at the beginning of the bike to do it and you can adjust tighteness during your ride.
4. something that measures electrolytes and salt in your body that can be connected to your Garmin, my scale at home measures bmi electrically, so maybe this is possible
5. laws that allow video evidence of people breaking the law to be used to arrest/ticket people when there is no accident. This evidence is used during accidents, but not when there are not accidents. I want drivers who target cyclists arrested. I have plenty of video of them doing it, but unless they hit me, there is nothing I can do with it.

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Product/service: I've just been told that the only difference between 175 to 165s crank is where they drill the hole to create that length. What a wasted opportunity to drop some weight! We need a service that will take off that excess crank above the hole. Or, a company that will manufacture custom cranks. Cranks could be like pedals / saddles given enough time and money.

This is only on lower end cranks. Hollow forged and carbon cranks are generally different lengths. Even then, you're only saving a few grams. And as I mentioned before, if you're counting grams you wouldn't be riding Gossamers...

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Power2Max fits all those except for the rechargeable battery, but the batteries last quite a bit.

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Get back to small races. I search out the races that are local fundraisers and make a point to do them. There are a couple within an hour of the twin cities that are a 1/4 of the price and go to good causes but turnout is low. Triathlon is hard to put on. We need to be willing to get outside of Metro areas to go to races. These small races are what get a lot of people into the sport and have that friendly feel too them.

I think the Triple T theme needs to be expanded (especially in the North during the summer.

Overall I think there are not enough races in the middle of summer when people take time off with their kids.

Product wise I am on board with the LBS not being able to compete with online.

So what are your best 'good cause' triathlons that could use some increased participation? I'll add them to my list.
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http://www.tri4grace.org in River Falls WI Only $50.00 to enter. Pool swim. Bike is fairly scenic and rural with an honest hill (Cat 4). Run is short so you can try and blast the bike. Its a memorial race for a woman named Grace. You can read more online.


RACE PROCEEDS go to scholarships for students
whose immediate families are affected by cancer.

www.wingmantri.com in Red Wing MN. Pool swim. Good scenic bike with an honest hill and run course that weaves around in shade by the sippi.


Only $60 to register and the proceeds go the the local cross country team whose parents come out to volunteer or the kids also help if not racing. Pretty good cheering from the parents bc they are used to it ;)


I should get back on beginner triathlete and post to the state forums. Always wish we had that here at ST.


Any that you have? I missed both of these last year bc of work but plan on them both this year again.

http://eauclairetriathlon.com
Have not done it but a friend did and liked it. $57 with open water and proceeds go to orphans and a free clinic.


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IT wrote:

PS

Product/service: I've just been told that the only difference between 175 to 165s crank is where they drill the hole to create that length. What a wasted opportunity to drop some weight! We need a service that will take off that excess crank above the hole. Or, a company that will manufacture custom cranks. Cranks could be like pedals / saddles given enough time and money.


http://www.bikesmithdesign.com/Short_Cranks/

The site you reference seems perfect for this. Obviously they have this more well thought out than I do. I'm going to study this some more and then contact them if it makes sense.

Thank you for sharing this information!

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Thought of something else that might be good for the sport but it's blasphemous.

While the swim is daunting, the next most daunting part of the sport is the TRI-BIKE.

Many newbies and some deciding to continue may find the idea of the expense, garage space and training time on a tri-bike too much. We tell them just to start on a road bike. Yet, we and they know that the top competitors in their AG have tri-bikes. This could be another barrier to entry or continuing with the sport.

Wouldn't it be shocking to go a sprint/Oly where all the bikes HAD to be road bikes. Yes, there is a wide range of road bikes; yet visually people seem to be all about the same aero and doing the same sport.

Tri-bikes could still live well in the half and full IM space. But to delineate races for road bikes and races for tri-bikes might be a change up that helps newbies while creating some new buzz for experienced triathletes to manage to two bikes.

Limiting bike technology has been discussed since the late '80s and has never gone anywhere. Maybe because all you really need to do is add clip-on aero bars to a road bike to gain much of the advantage of a tri-bike? Still the idea you suggest is a good one to continue to pursue if the main reason younger folks or less wealthy folks aren't interested in staying in tri is the perceived need for an expensive tri bike. I don't think that is the reason for the decline in popularity. If you want to stay in tris but don't feel you are competitive because of your ride, you can find a cheap bike that will be competitive at all but the sharpest point of the AG field. The overall winner at sprint distance nats this year was on a road bike. :)
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For some folks money for entry, stuff is an issue.

But for most folks I talk to, it is just how long does one do the same thing before it gets boring! I sure know that I really enjoy Du's as an example since I can ignore the swim and all the issues around it. I enjoy running since I can just go out, anytime anywhere, safe, easy, and just run with a pair of shoes.

The difference now maybe compared to the past is there used to be new folks entering to replace folks leaving. But now, any sport that takes exercise I assume are not growing, but shrinking. Younger folks in general seem to have no interest in exercise. Most just would rather play on line games. Social skills and interactions are not high on their lists to do.

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Mark Lemmon wrote:

Limiting bike technology has been discussed since the late '80s and has never gone anywhere. Maybe because all you really need to do is add clip-on aero bars to a road bike to gain much of the advantage of a tri-bike? Still the idea you suggest is a good one to continue to pursue if the main reason younger folks or less wealthy folks aren't interested in staying in tri is the perceived need for an expensive tri bike. I don't think that is the reason for the decline in popularity. If you want to stay in tris but don't feel you are competitive because of your ride, you can find a cheap bike that will be competitive at all but the sharpest point of the AG field. The overall winner at sprint distance nats this year was on a road bike. :)

Well that overall winner was an unusual young man with a background who had some preselection potential by USA Triathlon. Perhaps at this stage of his budding ITU career, he may have been more comfortable/faster on the road bike. ;)

ITU does bring restriction into cycling. They don't allow tri-bars or the ones they do/did were so small that the pros there have stopped using them. As we know tri-bars on a road bike really aren't the same fit or look as a tri-bike where the seat angle is more open.

Visually it's a psyche out to place a tri-bike by a road bike for TT purposes. We are talking about the relatively initiated gaining an impression of the sport and deciding to race again or not.

Currently it's similar visually to having an Indy racer next to a Nascar car. No way does that look like it could be fair nor cheap.

Would limiting it to road bikes help the small state/local triathlons trying to stay in business. Maybe. Few people only have tri-bikes so why not? This would probably have to be tried for several years to know. Or maybe a race director could say for my race or series, you need a road bike.

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ITU does bring restriction into cycling. They don't allow tri-bars or the ones they do/did were so small that the pros there have stopped using them.

This is in draft-legal racing only. In non-drafting races you can use full-size clipons.

Tangentially to your point: the ITU is pushing draft-legal for the sprint distance hard. That means road bikes and no tri bikes. However, it also means having to ride in close proximity of people with questionable bike handling skills. So, as the famous Dutch philosopher Johan Cruijff opined: "every disadvantage has its advantage".

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IT wrote:

ITU does bring restriction into cycling. They don't allow tri-bars or the ones they do/did were so small that the pros there have stopped using them.


This is in draft-legal racing only. In non-drafting races you can use full-size clipons.

Tangentially to your point: the ITU is pushing draft-legal for the sprint distance hard. That means road bikes and no tri bikes. However, it also means having to ride in close proximity of people with questionable bike handling skills. So, as the famous Dutch philosopher Johan Cruijff opined: "every disadvantage has its advantage".

I have no idea why Tri/Du draft legal and handling skills always comes up trying to freak folks out. DL races have now been done for a few years at the AG level. I have raced them last year at Nationals and world level. I talked to many folks who raced these. 100% of the folks I talked to LOVED it!!! Because these are not Crit events, meaning all the bikes start the same time, and crit courses are not used, this is talking apples vs rocks. I have seen just as much drafting in some NDL races I have done as I saw in the DL races.

But at the end of the day, if these were unsafe, why have we not seen posts of all the crashes in these races? Why are these races having so many signing up if there were unsafe?

How many DL Tri/DU races have you done?

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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Richard Blaine wrote:
IT wrote:

ITU does bring restriction into cycling. They don't allow tri-bars or the ones they do/did were so small that the pros there have stopped using them.


This is in draft-legal racing only. In non-drafting races you can use full-size clipons.

Tangentially to your point: the ITU is pushing draft-legal for the sprint distance hard. That means road bikes and no tri bikes. However, it also means having to ride in close proximity of people with questionable bike handling skills. So, as the famous Dutch philosopher Johan Cruijff opined: "every disadvantage has its advantage".


I have no idea why Tri/Du draft legal and handling skills always comes up trying to freak folks out. DL races have now been done for a few years at the AG level. I have raced them last year at Nationals and world level. I talked to many folks who raced these. 100% of the folks I talked to LOVED it!!! Because these are not Crit events, meaning all the bikes start the same time, and crit courses are not used, this is talking apples vs rocks. I have seen just as much drafting in some NDL races I have done as I saw in the DL races.

But at the end of the day, if these were unsafe, why have we not seen posts of all the crashes in these races? Why are these races having so many signing up if there were unsafe?

How many DL Tri/DU races have you done?

Nothing of what you say doesn't mean that you don't have to ride in close proximity of people with questionable bike handling skills. You're right that most races go off without issue, but I also know that very few if any of those have the participation numbers of the more mainstream regional tri series around here, which are the races with the highest proportion of novices. And you would have to agree that those novices would be the people with questionable bike handling skills.

Also: where did I imply this is a problem for me in particular? I have zero interest in another pissing match with you, but not everybody makes everything they post about themselves. Some people try to make points in the abstract.

Also: there is another, more pressing, "problem" with draft-legal races: they must be on closed roads. This is the reason that, at least here in Ontario, there are very few DL races; the only one last year was on a race track. Another race director headache is that men and women need to be separated; women can't draft off men and the other way around.

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I want somebody to make a realistically priced vasa ergometer alternative. If they were a bit cheaper they'd surely sell by the boat load.
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Virtual Fit: Fits are important for performance and comfort, and they are a critical part of the bike purchase experience, but there are few spaces I can think of where the incompetence is so prevalent. Let's fix that. What's going on that I can't pay Luscan or Steinmetz or someone like that to analyze and respond to videos of me riding on the trainer on a new bike (i.e. for consulting as I dial in a fit)? Why is there no transactional services marketplace for bike fitting? Bill me like a lawyer at 0.3 increments. Bill me by the video. Bill me somehow but don't make me go to Manhattan or Atlanta or Denver to find competence. I am not a fitter, but I am better than most, and I have been helping a few people remotely and entirely remotely. The model works, and I don't see why it isn't the future model and a better model for an objective that is fundamentally iterative and episodic. All those fit systems and lasers are tools, sure, bu in general the people who peddle them are also tools. Very few of us need that nonsense.

This is a real business opportunity if a fitrepreneur can not only sell himself but take a cut from the sales of others by introducing a commercial platform for those sales. Bonus points if he can figure out how to also sell bikes and set them up. These ideas aren't mutually exclusive.



I was literally putting THIS together at probably the same time Kiley was writing his post.

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I want somebody to make a realistically priced vasa ergometer alternative. If they were a bit cheaper they'd surely sell by the boat load.

You can buy a ski erg from Concept 2 for $800. Pretty close....
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I did two non-draft races this last season that had multiple laps. In each I was the race leader and had to pass people. I would not have wanted to do this in a draft legal format, people couldn't even figure out to stay to the right and ride in a straight line. These were definitely not people I'd have wanted to ride closely to.

Additionally, that's an interesting point of roads needing to be closed. I've directed a race before; had we needed to do it draft legal we never would have had the permits approved.
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cloy wrote:
Power2Max fits all those except for the rechargeable battery, but the batteries last quite a bit.

Power2Max NG is rechargeable.
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Isn't Zipp riding the "made in America" wave (some older hubs excepted) pretty hard -- like unusually so, because even the carbon rim fabrication is in in Indiana? Who else is and is also undercutting them for cost?

Maybe, but the reason Zipp is where they are is because they made the best aero wheels (or tied for best) for a long time. I doubt most people really care where they're built.
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My Garmin 920xt watch has all the functionality I want out of a cycling computer, save a bigger screen. I wish there were an inexpensive computer that simply mirrored information from the watch on a larger display, rather than requiring me to purchase a highly redundant, and hence expensive, standalone cycling computer.
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[quote h2ofun
The difference now maybe compared to the past is there used to be new folks entering to replace folks leaving. But now, any sport that takes exercise I assume are not growing, but shrinking. Younger folks in general seem to have no interest in exercise. Most just would rather play on line games. Social skills and interactions are not high on their lists to do.[/quote]
So true it seems. Most would rather play a video game.

When I hear about adventure races, mud races, obstacle courses, etc. doing well, I wonder if this an extension of video games.

They also DON'T have to lay out much if any new money on equipment to do them. Just the entry fee.

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Tangentially to your point: the ITU is pushing draft-legal for the sprint distance hard. That means road bikes and no tri bikes. However, it also means having to ride in close proximity of people with questionable bike handling skills. So, as the famous Dutch philosopher Johan Cruijff opined: "every disadvantage has its advantage".

As I said, I would like road bikes and no tri-bikes all the way to and including Oly events. It would help the sport create delineation between ITU/short course and Ironman/long course.

We currently have bugaboos about drafting the way it is right now. And they're attempting to draft on tri-bikes. That would not be new. They could continue trying to implement no draft or allow drafting which would help the under 30, more specifically under 25 crowd, develop their skills for ITU.

Drafting is one of those "Pavlov dog" moments. If you can't draft, you soon learn to draft or stop trying. Generally the person who can't draft crashes themselves by following too closely. Stronger riders and better riders crash much less often due to drafting.

The way most cultures and boys are, crashes would be an enhancement to the thrill of the sport for the young.

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hutchy_belfast wrote:
I want somebody to make a realistically priced vasa ergometer alternative. If they were a bit cheaper they'd surely sell by the boat load.

This.

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I service my bike at such a "service-mostly" LBS, with more wall-space dedicated to workshop tools than to the few token bikes he stocks. Most of their bike sales are as a point-of-sale service through an online service, so they don't have to stock much. The guy charges a fair and honest hourly work fee, works fast and has a very short wait, does top-notch wrenching and doesn't hold a grudge if you arrive with your new online-bought bike for assembly. He rescued my wife's Felt IA seatpost (god, 3T, what a disaster of a part) several times already.

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You must be joking about the algorithmic feed at Strava?

It's totally broken. Top of my feed I see a post for a ski in my local XC ski loop. I head out. Its shit. I go back and look on Strava. It was 4 FUCKING DAYS AGO! Why was it at the top of my feed?

We do stuff outside. We care about weather conditions, we care about dates (was that the race this sunday? what happened at the group ride last night? anyone on the trails this morning).

The new feed obscures important data.
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Swim run that is individual not team event. Maybe it already exists.

+1
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I would be one of the first to purchase a computer that could simultaneously pick up multiple power meters.
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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [buzz] [ In reply to ]
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buzz wrote:

You must be joking about the algorithmic feed at Strava?

It's totally broken. Top of my feed I see a post for a ski in my local XC ski loop. I head out. Its shit. I go back and look on Strava. It was 4 FUCKING DAYS AGO! Why was it at the top of my feed?

We do stuff outside. We care about weather conditions, we care about dates (was that the race this sunday? what happened at the group ride last night? anyone on the trails this morning).

The new feed obscures important data.


http://stravini.com/ if you use Chrome, this browser extension will "fix" the Strava nonsense.


I'm on the verge of ending my relationship with Strava. After several years with it, I find myself still going to WKO4 and TrainingPeaks for the review of my rides, and not Strava. The analytic capacity of Strava is anemic, at best. Sure, I'd lose the social part of all those segments and 'racing' my friends, but honestly Strava turns everything into a crit race, and it's just kinda pointless. (Yes, I mark 90% of my rides as 'private', and 100% of my indoor training as 'private' on Strava already)




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buzz wrote:

You must be joking about the algorithmic feed at Strava?

It's totally broken. Top of my feed I see a post for a ski in my local XC ski loop. I head out. Its shit. I go back and look on Strava. It was 4 FUCKING DAYS AGO! Why was it at the top of my feed?

We do stuff outside. We care about weather conditions, we care about dates (was that the race this sunday? what happened at the group ride last night? anyone on the trails this morning).

The new feed obscures important data.

A friend of mine went on summer vacation and didn't upload any workouts until she came home. Suddenly my feed was flooded with two months of old activities. Whoever designed the feed for Strava clearly doesn't actually use Strava.
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I haven't done any tris since moving here last year, but I'll be adding at least one of these to my schedule for this year.
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They also DON'T have to lay out much if any new money on equipment to do them. Just the entry fee.


Same with fixie crits, the hottest form of pure bike racing (excepting maybe gravel). You can win on a $500 bike. While we're rolling out $16,000 bikes with built in mini-fridges and wondering where all the young people went.
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cloy wrote:
Power2Max fits all those except for the rechargeable battery, but the batteries last quite a bit.

+1. Thanks for noting that.

I get 9-12 months per battery and they are sold at the local grocery store. One of my P2M's has literally been submerged and they have all been used in terrible conditions. They just work for me. The new NG is rechargeable (as noted by somebody above) but I haven't used/owned one.
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More 11 speed cassettes choices that don't start with an 11 tooth cog. Other than the 12-25T close ratio and the very expensive DA 12-28T, everything Shimano offers starts with an 11T cog. And everything SRAM offers starts with an 11T cog. Why? Makes gearing to the conditions by cassette change alone a compromise.

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gary p wrote:
More 11 speed cassettes choices that don't start with an 11 tooth cog. Other than the 12-25T close ratio and the very expensive DA 12-28T, everything Shimano offers starts with an 11T cog. And everything SRAM offers starts with an 11T cog. Why? Makes gearing to the conditions by cassette change alone a compromise.

I was going to agree with the OP that we need more XD Driver options that start with a 10T. :)
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Peloton sells to an audience that does not want to ride outdoors, wants the group fitness experience, and, weirdly, does not care about bikes but is happy to ride one indoors for fitness. The bike is all-inclusive and is always ready to go, so to speak. While it's enormously heavy at 135 pounds, it doesn't take up much room, and just requires WiFi, a subscription to their service, and shoes with Delta cleats.....

......I believe their real "innovation" here is the content. I would consider exploring whether there is an audience for BYOB for power users, rather than attempting to build a competing platform that sells people a real bike. Would that get rid of some of the lame-ness of Peloton?

I think you made some great points there. The handful of times somebody has brought up Peloton, that is a fairly close representation...including my wife. My boss bought one a couple years ago and has eaten like $500 per year in subscription fees. That seems like a lot. One thing I noticed from those that have the Peloton bike and service, they seem to have their favorite instructors. Just like a couple specific RPM instructors at the nearby gym have a cultish group of followers, it would appear that an important part of Peloton's 'content' is the instructors. The videos seem really engaging.

What do you (or others) think your price point would be for a Peloton Bring-Your-Own-Bike system? I was pretty stoked to see my wife hop in the car at 4:45a in -10 F weather to go to a spin class today, but the reality is that it's rare. Being able to do that on her own bike and a trainer we already own would definitely be worth their $39 a month IMO.
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A really high quality wicking/smart fabric running hat. The few I have seen are not good. For hot races this would be swell.
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buzz wrote:

You must be joking about the algorithmic feed at Strava?

It's totally broken. Top of my feed I see a post for a ski in my local XC ski loop. I head out. Its shit. I go back and look on Strava. It was 4 FUCKING DAYS AGO! Why was it at the top of my feed?

We do stuff outside. We care about weather conditions, we care about dates (was that the race this sunday? what happened at the group ride last night? anyone on the trails this morning).

The new feed obscures important data.


http://stravini.com/ if you use Chrome, this browser extension will "fix" the Strava nonsense.

I'm on the verge of ending my relationship with Strava. After several years with it, I find myself still going to WKO4 and TrainingPeaks for the review of my rides, and not Strava. The analytic capacity of Strava is anemic, at best. Sure, I'd lose the social part of all those segments and 'racing' my friends, but honestly Strava turns everything into a crit race, and it's just kinda pointless. (Yes, I mark 90% of my rides as 'private', and 100% of my indoor training as 'private' on Strava already)

Responding to both of you. I think the idea of curation is sound but the execution is poor, but so was Facebooks at first. People had a conniption fit. I think Strava's product guys will figure it out. That said, I just downloaded Stravini and it is a relief to get all the Zwift rides and Challenges out of my feed. I also chose to sort chronologically. For those of us with 200 friends, there has to be some kind of curation going on, whether it's "favorites" for quality follows or "do not show" for those you don't quite want to unfollow but can't have mucking up your feed. Remember when Facebook came out with the mini feed that had things like Scrobble.fm and you would see every song a friend was listening to? Even the best tech companies on earth struggle with this stuff, and Strava is no different.

Lots of good thoughts here aside from all that.
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Tangentially to your point: the ITU is pushing draft-legal for the sprint distance hard. That means road bikes and no tri bikes. However, it also means having to ride in close proximity of people with questionable bike handling skills. So, as the famous Dutch philosopher Johan Cruijff opined: "every disadvantage has its advantage".


As I said, I would like road bikes and no tri-bikes all the way to and including Oly events. It would help the sport create delineation between ITU/short course and Ironman/long course.

But, pray tell, how would you regulate this mythical non-tri bike? Can I have a CAAD12 with full basebar and aerobars? Can I have a P4 with drop handlebars (and clip-ons if you allow them)? Will the officials come armed with goniometers to check seat angles? And to turn your argument on its head: what am I, a dedicated short course racer, going to do with my P4 in which I have a fair investment?

In my opinion the only way you're going to achieve this is delineate it as draft-legal with no aerobars allowed (you can ride a bare basebar or a mountain bar if you want :-), and non-draft where you can ride whatever you want.

IT wrote:
We currently have bugaboos about drafting the way it is right now. And they're attempting to draft on tri-bikes. That would not be new. They could continue trying to implement no draft or allow drafting which would help the under 30, more specifically under 25 crowd, develop their skills for ITU.

Huh? Whaddaya mean by that? Are you referring to people riding in pacelines in overpopulated Ironman races?

As for allowing drafting: Do you really want to mix total novices, who swerve all over the road when they take a drink, and who jump when I unexpectedly show up on their left shoulder, with pacelines? Have you noticed the carnage in current races when there's a stiff crosswind? You really want to mix those people with echelons?

People racing draft-legal now make the explicit choice of racing draft-legal. Even if they're not super confident in pacelines, they know what they're getting into, and will adjust their riding style. A raw rookie, who bought their first bike 3 months ago to get fit, and is now doing their first sprint, has no idea.

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Drafting is one of those "Pavlov dog" moments. If you can't draft, you soon learn to draft or stop trying. Generally the person who can't draft crashes themselves by following too closely. Stronger riders and better riders crash much less often due to drafting.

he way most cultures and boys are, crashes would be an enhancement to the thrill of the sport for the young.

As a TBI survivor I find this comment insensitive and irresponsible.

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Service-Only LBS: Why can't a brick and motor return good service and good products?


Group/Community Rides IRL: Too many brick and mortars are focused on the hard goods they sell and not the "lifestyle." The LBS i frequent has it right, apparel up front, bikes near the fit station and the attitude of "we sell fun shit." They will also host you at fun rides to enjoy the fun shit they sell. Nothing sells goods like seeing them in use in person.


SRAM Products: Largely agreed with SRAM, but i do hate the ergonomics of their MTB shifters.

Zipp: Buy HED Black rim brake wheels and never worry about braking.

Shimano: Can't meet OEM demand and that is why they are getting crushed, especially on MTBs.


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Above are my thoughts on a few of your items.I think people get all bent out of shape on how people focus on the bike, but really it is the greatest barrier to entry. If you really want to get into tris it isn't hard to find a pool and get your laps in, but very few casual runners own a bike that resembles a race worthy machine.

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The service-only shop model - YES. This. So much this.

My old mechanic in Maine was exactly this - fit station plus turnaround. And if you frequented him enough for service, he'd help you out with pricing when you needed, say, a new crank or a set of wheels because you cracked a set in a pothole. He's taken a year out of the game, but the shop style still lives on up there. Pretty damn cool set-up, IMO.

Overhead is low, you don't need the fanciest set-up in the world, and offer quicker turnarounds than your normal shop.

If I ever decide to try my hand at the multisport retail/service game again, I'm doing this and fits. Period.

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Small correction, for Draft legal you CANNOT ride a bare basebar or MTB handlebar... It has to be a drop bar with plugged ends... The shorty aerobars are legal for the elites, but not for AG racing.

As much as people carry-on about the risks of DL-racing for age groupers, in general i have found them to be as safe if not safer than non-drafting races. Yes there are varying handling skills, but we're not talking about a crit with a peloton of 100 people, we're talking small groups for the most part and the odd larger pack... From what I have seen both racing in the events and officiating a number of them, is that the people who are really nervous about drafting tend not to, and tend to sit just off the back of packs if they are near them (look at how Summer Cook rides in ITU races, and that gives you a pretty classic example of this type of riding...). In that setting the people with questionable skills are generally aware of their questionable skills and self-regulate, in how they ride... In non-drafting races, I have had way more close calls with individuals of questionable handling skills when passing/being passed and seen way more crashes... That being said, if AG DL racing is here to stay (and I seriously hope it is, because I love racing the format), more multisport groups need to work specifically on skill development for that type of racing... Clinics, group rides, leading up to those types of races will go a long ways towards increasing the popularity of the format and in increasing people's confidence/competence...

This past season, even in non-DL races, I've raced my road bike without aerobars... since my main goal races were DL, I wanted the specificity in terms of the effort in the position. It was definitely cost me placings in a couple of really windy races, but the others I don't feel it changed my placings at all...

In terms of products, I'd love to see a pedal based power meter for Speedplay... I finally got tired of waiting and bit the bullet and went with the Vector 3s (after over a decade in speedplays)...
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Personally I'd like to see ways to cut the absurd cost of the sport. I would LOVE to see the service only shop or a mobile mechanic, ESPECIALLY if it can cut cost to us and increase revenue to the mechanic. I would imagine most mechanics can probably fully tune or build a bike in less than an hour.

Just my humble opinion, but we keep adding and adding more high end tech that most of us can't afford. There's money to be made by dropping the cost of some services since I'm sure many of us are just priced out of them.

Maybe a cost effective power meter? As long as I have reasonable accuracy and consistency I'd be happy, I'm no weight weenie and I can work quite well with consistency.

Affordable options for the wind tunnel as well. I always hear again and again "go to the wind tunnel". Problem is the CHEAPEST I've seen is $1,000, and that's just not worth it to me. I can't afford that.

A way to make any trainer a computrainer with a laptop and not one that will brake the bank.

More local races.

Races to start recycling drives. I have way too much old rubber and chains hanging around. Sure I'd like to try and do some art with them, but that's not going to take that much. Also lets face it, triathletes don't have all that much free time to be crafting with old parts. I would like to get rid or that extra crap. But I also don't want to fill the landfills with years of tubes, tires, wires, and chains.

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Also would like to see the remaining brick and mortar bike shops start selling used bikes. We do see it but seems to be increasingly rare, and nothing used is a true tri-bike or even comes close to fitting. It could be similar to a car dealer. Eve have them "certified" pre-owned just like a car. Get an old bike, throw new guts on their or mostly new guts. It takes the fear out of buying from strangers on e-bay and gives the LBS another way to sell.

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What about a crowd-sourced mobile bike maintenance concept like Uber or Lyft? It seems like everyone dreams for a maintenance-only or mobile bike repair shop, but the economics seem daunting. It only needs an app...

that's brilliant - the app will attract billions in VC funding, then the actual work can be subsidized indefinitely by those billions.. exactly the Uber model, but preferably without the sociopathic behavior towards labor, and better compensation..

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Maybe a cost effective power meter? As long as I have reasonable accuracy and consistency I'd be happy, I'm no weight weenie and I can work quite well with consistency.


How much cheaper does it need to get? Watteam PowerBeat single-side units were available for just over $200 during the Holiday season, and dual sides for a little over $300. Even at regular retail, they're $259 and $399. C1 chainrings were on sale for $350, as were the close-out Garmin Vector 2S's. The dual-sided, spider-based NG Eco is available every day (no waiting for a sale) from Power2Max for < $500. All this has pushed down used power meter pricing. I picked up a functional Powertap wireless wheelset for $160. IMHO, 2017 was a huge year in the "democratization" of power meter pricing.

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gary p wrote:
Jloewe wrote:

Maybe a cost effective power meter? As long as I have reasonable accuracy and consistency I'd be happy, I'm no weight weenie and I can work quite well with consistency.


How much cheaper does it need to get? Watteam PowerBeat single-side units were available for just over $200 during the Holiday season, and dual sides for a little over $300. Even at regular retail, they're $259 and $399. C1 chainrings were on sale for $350, as were the close-out Garmin Vector 2S's. The dual-sided, spider-based NG Eco is available every day (no waiting for a sale) from Power2Max for < $500. All this has pushed down used power meter pricing. I picked up a functional Powertap wireless wheelset for $160. IMHO, 2017 was a huge year in the "democratization" of power meter pricing.

I'd like to see the $150 range. Was that Powertap new or something you got a killer deal on from another slowtwitcher? But thanks for the tip. I honestly haven't checked the price of powermeters since about March or so. They must have come down a lot since then.

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bufordt wrote:
buzz wrote:

You must be joking about the algorithmic feed at Strava?

It's totally broken. Top of my feed I see a post for a ski in my local XC ski loop. I head out. Its shit. I go back and look on Strava. It was 4 FUCKING DAYS AGO! Why was it at the top of my feed?

We do stuff outside. We care about weather conditions, we care about dates (was that the race this sunday? what happened at the group ride last night? anyone on the trails this morning).

The new feed obscures important data.


A friend of mine went on summer vacation and didn't upload any workouts until she came home. Suddenly my feed was flooded with two months of old activities. Whoever designed the feed for Strava clearly doesn't actually use Strava.


this is a misapprehension, caused by the belief that Strava is built to serve its customers. It is built to serve ads and maximize exposure to those ads. Every social media app from Facebook on down has implemented algorithmic feeds which their users hate. This is dictated by the iron laws of surveillance capitalism..
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Jloewe wrote:
I'd like to see the $150 range. Was that Powertap new or something you got a killer deal on from another slowtwitcher? But thanks for the tip. I honestly haven't checked the price of powermeters since about March or so. They must have come down a lot since then.

Powertap wheelset was used; ~2010 spec Elite+ with decent, if not awe-inspiring, DT Swiss rims. Picked it up on a car racing forum I'm a member of (believe it or not, there are large ongoing biking, running, and triathlon threads in the "off topic" section there). Part of the reason it was cheap was that the free-hub is not 11 speed compatible. Works fine for my old Sora equipped road bike.

Things really started to percolate in the aftermath of Eurobike and Interbike. Lots if new product creating downward pricing pressure, especially on older technology.

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There isn't enough volume in the cycling market to make this viable. You realize companies have to actually make money, right?
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Small correction, for Draft legal you CANNOT ride a bare basebar or MTB handlebar... It has to be a drop bar with plugged ends... The shorty aerobars are legal for the elites, but not for AG racing.

As much as people carry-on about the risks of DL-racing for age groupers, in general i have found them to be as safe if not safer than non-drafting races. Yes there are varying handling skills, but we're not talking about a crit with a peloton of 100 people, we're talking small groups for the most part and the odd larger pack... From what I have seen both racing in the events and officiating a number of them, is that the people who are really nervous about drafting tend not to, and tend to sit just off the back of packs if they are near them (look at how Summer Cook rides in ITU races, and that gives you a pretty classic example of this type of riding...). In that setting the people with questionable skills are generally aware of their questionable skills and self-regulate, in how they ride... In non-drafting races, I have had way more close calls with individuals of questionable handling skills when passing/being passed and seen way more crashes... That being said, if AG DL racing is here to stay (and I seriously hope it is, because I love racing the format), more multisport groups need to work specifically on skill development for that type of racing... Clinics, group rides, leading up to those types of races will go a long ways towards increasing the popularity of the format and in increasing people's confidence/competence...

This past season, even in non-DL races, I've raced my road bike without aerobars... since my main goal races were DL, I wanted the specificity in terms of the effort in the position. It was definitely cost me placings in a couple of really windy races, but the others I don't feel it changed my placings at all...

In terms of products, I'd love to see a pedal based power meter for Speedplay... I finally got tired of waiting and bit the bullet and went with the Vector 3s (after over a decade in speedplays)...

All fair points. Let me reiterate my position:

- By all means lets develop draft-legal racing. It's fun for both competitors and spectators. But, and that gets to my second point, it needs to be a conscious choice of the competitor.
- I think it's a bad idea if all short course is converted to draft-legal (setting practical concerns like it being impossible for all races to be on closed courses to one side); it will not contribute to the enjoyment of the sport of raw neophytes and will endanger the safety of all people racing.
- I think it's impossible and unnecessary to outlaw tribikes for short course racing. Much better would be if we, as a community, tell people there is no need to buy a tribike in order to enjoy the sport.

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A really high quality wicking/smart fabric running hat. The few I have seen are not good. For hot races this would be swell.

Wait, are you saying a trucker hat is not a good option?


People look so good in oversized trucker hats.
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trail wrote:
IT wrote:


They also DON'T have to lay out much if any new money on equipment to do them. Just the entry fee.



Same with fixie crits, the hottest form of pure bike racing (excepting maybe gravel). You can win on a $500 bike. While we're rolling out $16,000 bikes with built in mini-fridges and wondering where all the young people went.

Have seen some on TV. Thrilling to watch. A competitive entry level sport that does not cost an arm and a leg.

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Hello kileyay and All,

Zipp 808 Firecrest clincher Front + Rear = 1885 grams

Zipp 808 Firecrest tubular Front + Rear = 1700 grams

We 'need' a tubular tire (without a tube) but that comes with sealant ... either a liquid or a gel like material that coats the inside of the tire so it functions like the sealant for self sealing gas tanks on combat aircraft.

A tubular tire that is has an excellent Crr, is light and aero, and can be quickly and easily repaired without removing the tire ..... similar to tubeless clinchers.

A tire with molded sidewalls ..... like Bontrager R4 ..... to match the rim for a clean aero profile without additional plastic strips like Mavic.





This dream tire might suffice with old fashioned glue for attachment until the attachment WITHOUT GLUE is developed .... since with self sealing for small punctures and external repair for larger ones ..... would greatly reduce the frequency of the removal and reattachment hassle.

A tubular tire that fastens to the lighter tubular rim WITHOUT GLUE but with a mechanical or hybrid attachment like industrial strength velcro ...... clean and easy on .... and clean and easy off.

Perhaps this will fill the bill: http://www.effettomariposa.eu/en/products/carogna/

http://www.effettomariposa.eu/...gna-tape-install.jpg



NOT a tubular tire like the Tufo that requires a rim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCaDv-cRY5c



Cheers, Neal

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IT wrote:
Richard Blaine wrote:

Tangentially to your point: the ITU is pushing draft-legal for the sprint distance hard. That means road bikes and no tri bikes. However, it also means having to ride in close proximity of people with questionable bike handling skills. So, as the famous Dutch philosopher Johan Cruijff opined: "every disadvantage has its advantage".


As I said, I would like road bikes and no tri-bikes all the way to and including Oly events. It would help the sport create delineation between ITU/short course and Ironman/long course.


But, pray tell, how would you regulate this mythical non-tri bike? Can I have a CAAD12 with full basebar and aerobars? Can I have a P4 with drop handlebars (and clip-ons if you allow them)? Will the officials come armed with goniometers to check seat angles? And to turn your argument on its head: what am I, a dedicated short course racer, going to do with my P4 in which I have a fair investment?

In my opinion the only way you're going to achieve this is delineate it as draft-legal with no aerobars allowed (you can ride a bare basebar or a mountain bar if you want :-), and non-draft where you can ride whatever you want.

IT wrote:

We currently have bugaboos about drafting the way it is right now. And they're attempting to draft on tri-bikes. That would not be new. They could continue trying to implement no draft or allow drafting which would help the under 30, more specifically under 25 crowd, develop their skills for ITU.


Huh? Whaddaya mean by that? Are you referring to people riding in pacelines in overpopulated Ironman races?

As for allowing drafting: Do you really want to mix total novices, who swerve all over the road when they take a drink, and who jump when I unexpectedly show up on their left shoulder, with pacelines? Have you noticed the carnage in current races when there's a stiff crosswind? You really want to mix those people with echelons?

People racing draft-legal now make the explicit choice of racing draft-legal. Even if they're not super confident in pacelines, they know what they're getting into, and will adjust their riding style. A raw rookie, who bought their first bike 3 months ago to get fit, and is now doing their first sprint, has no idea.

IT wrote:

Drafting is one of those "Pavlov dog" moments. If you can't draft, you soon learn to draft or stop trying. Generally the person who can't draft crashes themselves by following too closely. Stronger riders and better riders crash much less often due to drafting.

he way most cultures and boys are, crashes would be an enhancement to the thrill of the sport for the young.


As a TBI survivor I find this comment insensitive and irresponsible.

You are way more serious than I intend to be about race formats.

Don't see how mentioning crashes - they happen all the time in cycling - is insensitive and irresponsible. Sorry for whatever happened to you as it seems to have impacted you more than the knock out concussions than many of us have experienced. Most crashes do not involve TBI, especially during the race. The few that I know of in cycling happened while the rider was training.

It sounds like you want things they way they are and you are set up for that. I on the other hand was tossing out some changes because the OP was asking for changes.

The way it is will probably be the way it stays. Good luck with your TBI as those are devastating injuries that I would not wish on anyone.

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Home bike fits are the future and they will have the same data available as an in person fit.



A bit of development with Notch sensors would allow for all the 3D data in a Retul bike fit to be obtained from the person's home. The fitter could mail the sensors with prepaid return postage before the fit then have a short calibration session. You could do the same mobility/flexibility testing as at the fitter's place before the fit, then hop on the bike.



It can also be done for run analysis, strength, swimming (they are waterproof), etc.




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You are way more serious than I intend to be about race formats.

Don't see how mentioning crashes - they happen all the time in cycling - is insensitive and irresponsible. Sorry for whatever happened to you as it seems to have impacted you more than the knock out concussions than many of us have experienced. Most crashes do not involve TBI, especially during the race. The few that I know of in cycling happened while the rider was training.

It sounds like you want things they way they are and you are set up for that. I on the other hand was tossing out some changes because the OP was asking for changes.

The way it is will probably be the way it stays. Good luck with your TBI as those are devastating injuries that I would not wish on anyone.

(We're getting way off topic here ;-)

I'm not wedded to the status-quo. I'm just a black hat thinker, somebody that always tries to punch holes in other people's ideas. It's a horrible character trait and I apologise :-)

You seemed to imply that young guys would be more interested in racing DL because it's exciting because of the increased chance of crashes. In my opinion that's the same irresponsible thinking as claiming that the NFL is fine because people enjoy seeing 300lb men maul each other into CTE. Most crashes may not involve a TBI, but some do. And, sure, crashes are inevitable, but pushing one form of racing because crashes are more likely is unacceptable, and I'm not going to let that go.

You do realise that every concussion is a TBI, right? There is not physiological difference between my experience and being knocked out cold because you fell of your bike. It's a sliding scale of lasting effects.

And to bring the thread back to where it needs to be here's what I would like:
Some sort of system where I can order parts online, and they get delivered to my door, but my LBS gets its cut.

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Home bike fits are the future and they will have the same data available as an in person fit.



A bit of development with Notch sensors would allow for all the 3D data in a Retul bike fit to be obtained from the person's home. The fitter could mail the sensors with prepaid return postage before the fit then have a short calibration session. You could do the same mobility/flexibility testing as at the fitter's place before the fit, then hop on the bike.



It can also be done for run analysis, strength, swimming (they are waterproof), etc.




If you were ever trained on the Retul system, you would understand that there is no way the general consumer is going to place sensors on their body precisely enough to produce data as accurate as an experienced fitter's eye looking at quality video. Sensor placement was almost an entire day of the Retul course. Flexibility / mobility assessments are largely bullshit for bike fitting.
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That's the best part of these sensors. Anywhere on the forearm and it figures out where you elbow and wrist are. The same goes for all joints. Consumers shouldn't be able to mess it up
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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [iamAERO] [ In reply to ]
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Notch isn't even close yet. Way too much drift right now.

That said, IMU's will be the future of motion capture for many things including athletics, and you're correct, placement isn't nearly as important as something like an active LED marker.

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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [Richard Blaine] [ In reply to ]
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Richard Blaine wrote:

Some sort of system where I can order parts online, and they get delivered to my door, but my LBS gets its cut.


OK back on topic. Perhaps you're an idealist here. What if someone rude with little aptitude for service sets up a LBS close to you to get their "cut"?

Others have written where they have an LBS with minimal overhead. The LBS makes money by doing the service better than the one (you or me) with the parts. I happily pay the price that's less costly than me screwing it up.

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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Hello kileyay and All,

I 'need' some one sided sticky tape ... 3M are you listening? That I can put around the circumference of my tire when it is worn .... the tape will be cold vulcanizing ....... it can have a catchy name like 'retreading' ..... and make my tire good for another few hundred miles ....

.... I will not have to remove the tire .... just tape it and go.

Tape in various mil thickness for racing .... or training ..... or gravel .... and various colors ......

Obviously the tape will be provided by a different company than one that manufactures tires.

https://www.walmart.com/...27044490?wmlspartner




36 feet of tape for $37.19 ...... and about 6.88 feet per wheel with 23mm tire ..... no hassle removing tire ..... = cost effective

  • Self-boding and self-curing
  • Withstands 500 degrees F direct, continuous heat (not sure of Crr but great for those long tortuous descents)
  • Stretch and wrap application
  • Corrosion and moisture resistant,


DEI Fire Tape is a multi use, self-fusing tape that can be used to cover wires, seal temporary leaks, and much much more. Made of a non-adhesive silicone rubber, Fire Tape is waterproof, remains flexible, and does not leave a sticky residue after removal. Ideal for use with Fire Sleeve and other DEI hose protective sleeving products, it serves as an excellent insulating alternative to vinyl tapes and wraps. Other uses include wrapping wiring harnesses, covering and protecting wire splices, and electrical wire terminations.

Cheers, Neal

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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:


Group/Community Rides IRL: You can find all these people to ride with virtually, but you increasingly cannot find anyone or a group to ride with on a nice day. There has to be a strategy for us to facilitate group rides in real life, because these shared experiences are what bring new people into the sport and help them get over their fears and eventually walk the marathon at an IRONMAN.

Bike shops today are failing to sustain the community and social aspects of the sport that are its foundation. Digital communities are emerging like this one, but not all of them spread offline. When is the last time you rode with someone you met on Zwift? Someone could and should step in. Strava may be best suited to facilitate local and hyper-local interaction, because their platform is how I have found almost everyone I ride with, outside of slowtwitch, but they are a very focused and conservative company that is content to grow the customer base patiently and keep the product itself simple and effective. As a social institution and agent for community, Strava may be the most valuable service we have. Private messaging on Strava would go a long way, and maybe that's part of the freemium model. Making 'events' for individuals rather than their poorly executed challenges and groups, or for riders in a specific location to get out there together. So basically Zwift, but with real life rides? Meet ups, but like, we can actually meet up. It's nice out.

There is a good app for this, but no one uses it.

http://www.join.cc
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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [BrianB] [ In reply to ]
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4iiii has a rechargeable dual sided power meter coming this year.

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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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What really needs to exist, but doesn't, are more options for prescription goggles, esp. racing goggles. If someone came out with prescription swedes, they'd have my business for life. I'd pay a ridiculous markup for something like that.

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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [hutchy_belfast] [ In reply to ]
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hutchy_belfast wrote:
I want somebody to make a realistically priced vasa ergometer alternative. If they were a bit cheaper they'd surely sell by the boat load.

I agree, I would probably get one if they were cheaper.
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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I'd like to see Cee Gees take the idea of an angled arm rest (like what Watt Shop does) and incorporate the angle into the pad itself so that it could be used with a standard flat arm rest - hardware remains the same, no issues, we get the tilt we want.

- Drew

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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [d_smitty] [ In reply to ]
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d_smitty wrote:
I'd like to see Cee Gees take the idea of an angled arm rest (like what Watt Shop does) and incorporate the angle into the pad itself so that it could be used with a standard flat arm rest - hardware remains the same, no issues, we get the tilt we want.

- Drew

I've wondered about doing this...simply putting an angled shim between the cups and pads. The aero bars will still be at a flat angle. Some bars, like ski bends, would likely be fine. Would others work as well?
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Re: Cycling/Triathlon Products & Services that Don't Exist and Need to Exist [dfroelich] [ In reply to ]
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That would work with my Zipp Evo 110s.

- Drew

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