Amen!

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Lewis

Thanks Slowman.

Thank you Dan

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I am new to the ST forum but even I could see the last 48hrs were out of control. Let the drama end! Thanks Dan

Bob

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Bob

Thank You!

Hello, Condolences about your friend. Sorry about the bruhaha in your absence. One thing I like about this forum is that you can get pretty heated discussions going about both tri an OT issues without too much infantile behavior. The recent posts were so far out of line it was hard to believe.



Styrrell

Thanks for putting a top to that nonesense. Amen!

I read almost daily, post relatively infrequently (mostly in-season or when I think have something to add that is worthwhile or can help someone on some topic), and have valued the site.

Dan was among the first of us over on rec.sport.triathlon a decade + ago, pushed his retailers into looking at web commerce about the same time and the site...the whole site, which, it seems, more people should look at...is a great resource. Dan knows he has to keep some interesting content coming, which is essential to keep a conversation/forum going. That article on having the 70.3 series races becoming qualifiers for Kona was a perfect example of what the forum can and should react to.

Everyone likes a sense of community, and we pick and choose which community we belong to during each part of our day. I like this being my multisport community, and can live without the nonsense.

You da MAN!

We devoted, well mannered Slowtwitchers thankyou, for 1) this forum 2) keeping it real.

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TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

Thank you, sir!! I've always loved coming home at the end of the day and seeing what was on the forum. But lately, I'm afraid my wife will look over my shoulder and think I'm on some kind of a singles site. It's much better that she just know me as the boring, tri-geek that I am! :)

Dan,

Can you make this a "sticky" at the first page of forum?

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Suffer Well.

add moderator privileges for certain people, it's the only way to properly admin a forum this large.

"Democracy consists of choosing your dictators, after they've told you what you think it is you want to hear."

so umm what was the controversy?

"so umm what was the controversy?"

there's no controversy. leave it at that.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

ok. sweet as.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

peggy

It was kool until Spagnoli ordered the pizza.

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Jim

wow, that's something i wouldn't have ever expected to see go on here. thanks for the ST gear dan fits great!

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"thanks for the ST gear dan fits great!"

i think i forgot to include the carbon seat post. i found one here in the workshop, and it could only have been for your frame. i'll send that to you separately.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Hear, Hear.

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"How bad can it be?" - SimpleS

First, sorry for your loss.

Second, sorry that you had to come back and clean up the mess that you had no part in making.

Third, Thank You.

See, now Dad got mad and we can't play with you meanies anymore.

Thanks Dan,

Pat

haha, i was wondering about that part, but i wasnt too worried about it... however just send it when you like.

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"The aspect of sport that you learn is that you have your good times and your bad times, but you share it with great people." - George Gregan

"2) keeping it real. "

Please god tell me you wrote that in jest. There is a sale on trucker hats and facial jewelry at Hot Topic. Hurry you might miss it.

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customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

You can always tell when Slowman's about to put someone in a time out: He uses capitals.

It's like your mom using your full name and it means someone's busted.

B.

YEA!!!



Dave

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 "See, now Dad got mad and we can't play with you meanies anymore."


I like the shudders of orgasm being felt after Dan put his foot down. Who says there is no pleasure being on the bottom?

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customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

I am with ya on the bad forum behavior. That said, I have one request....

Please keep the dirty secrets thread. That one is classic! I was late for work because of that.

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i was thinking the same thing.

it was for sure a WAIT TILL YOUR DAD GETS HOME!!!! thread

Dan,
is there a way to add a whose online now line to the top of the forum pages. I have seen it done on other forums or was it left off for a reason?

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I guess I haven't been banned. But perhaps I should be. Trying to divert attention from other stuff, I reserected the R10C Nebraska Jewels thread. If you killed that thread, I have committed a serious crime by causing the death of a classic. Sorry. I was just trying to look at the bright side of life. Darn it, I should have resurrected his female question thread. It was more gross than funny.

Dan,

I have been getting caught up in posting OT things in this forum recently. Yesterday, I realized it went way too far. Sorry for any role I played in helping to create this beast. No more OT threads or posts for me in this forum. Hopefully this is enough of a wakeup call that we all police ourselves and enjoy the forum as it is designed. Lets stay "true to the tri." Thanks for giving us this terrific forum to discuss multisport!

Flanagan

chasing women can't be multisport? :P

Lot's o' ass kissin' happen.

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...and Tibbs just goes on posting OT like nothing ever happened. There will always be sacred cows.

Nothin' sacered about this cow. All good things come to an end Monk it's how we pick the final battle that matters.

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customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

Sorry that you had to burry a friend and come back to the mess Dan. You deserve better that what we as a group have shown you. I know it is not proper for me to say anything as to what the topics were (and thus I dont)...I do however feel shame that you have left us adults on our own accord and some behaved like pre-school hoodlums.

Thank you for your site, thank you for the place that I have met many friends, thank you for everything - and I am sorry for all of us.

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What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

With the forum created to be a place for a free-flowing exchange of ideas, imposing rules is not "keeping it real", it is making it artificial. However, rules are required as a warning for those forum members who might have an occasional tendency to misbehave themselves. I like it. No warnings and you are not allowed back. It's the 'death penalty' on Slowtwitch.

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**All of these words finding themselves together were greatly astonished and delighted for assuredly, they had never met before**

"It's the 'death penalty' on Slowtwitch."

Nah...if it were the 'death penalty' you'd spend 12-15 years stuck over in the Lavender Room while Tibbs brought endless petitions for retrial or clemency before the Supreme Slowman, and while people picketed against banishment on tri-forums all over the world, aided and inflamed by media reports talking about how you've reformed your ways and aren't the forum jackass that you used to be and how you've written children's introductory triathlon training books.

;-)

sounds fair enough....

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Gibraltar, Europe
graphics@gibraltar.gi

"Certain people who used to post here are no longer able, and will not be allowed to return. "

Is there really anyway to enforce that? What's to stop them from just creating a new ID? It's kind of like when Major League Baseball bans someone from ever coming back. It's pretty easy to get tickets and with 40,000 people pouring through the turnstiles each night is anyone ever really gonna catch them. I guess we're just relying on them to get the hint and taking away the season tickets in their name (Forum ID).

Oh and add my name to the list of people who wish Tibbs would confine his antics to the Lavender Room.

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The originating site (IP address) of the posting is known when the post is made. Dan can (and does, I believe) check that IP address against a banned list. It does not work in all cases (like if your IP address changes dynamically), or if you post from public computers. Even then, he can determine a range of IP addresses that you've used, and block 'em all.

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Well, I can see how Starbucks is 'on topic' seeing as how many triathletes drink coffee but ....

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http://j-motrilife.blogspot.com/

Yeah I thought about that, but I post from at least 3 different locations regularly, and I'd have to check but I'm pretty sure that at least one of those is DHCP. Bottomline is that we're depending more on the "you're no longer welcome here" stigma to keep them away.

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"Knowledge is good" - Emil Faber

I didn't do it!!

Just checking...I guess I wasn't banished.

Hey, wasn't anybody training or racing last weekend? I was, and I guess I missed all the fun here.

Dan has shown his willingness to block an entire range of IP addresses to stop a couple of miscreants (didn't he block like all of Australia or something like that?).

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"Go yell at an M&M"

That is a Feb 2004 post that someone bumped. Someone decided to spend time this weekend going back through old posts and bumping the ones they found interesting/amusing. It is confusing and deja vu-ish.

Phew!!! Not banned...yippee:-)

Unnecessary roughness... half distance to the goal... automatic: FIRST DOWN..

I am not a religious man, but AMEN1 thank you Dan. Personally i think the occasional OT post, usually computers Ipods and such are a good part of the forum but some of the stuff we had lately, c'mon folks.

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**Note above poster works for a retailer selling bikes and related gear*

I had the same thoughts...

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What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

Did the guest columnist get banished for the column on the nude lesbian website?

The people who were bumping old threads in an effort to bury the "bad" thread made things even worse than if they just left things alone. Especially ridiculous were all the numerous threads congratulating themselves.

What did I miss???

Damn! people getting banned...and on the weekend too???? shouldn't you people be training on the weekends??? Slowtwitch is for goofing off during the work week.

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 "Did the guest columnist get banished for the column on the nude lesbian website? "

No. God can't you tell that the Suicide Girls have everything to do with triattlon? Come on it's like totally none offensive and tri related.

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What did I miss???

Let's just say it was not pretty....low and vile, very hurtful to some good people.


shouldn't you people be training on the weekends???

LOL...some of us work on weekends, at least on Saturdays. ST normally proves a nice diversion then as well.

Not like me to miss a pissing match.

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Tibbs: Given these posts, it would seem you are challenging Slowman to ban you--trolling him, as it were--baiting everyone on the forum. You must feel that this would be the best thing for you. Maybe you should get out and ride the P3.

Anyone ever cheated on their spouse? Mr. Tibbs 359 7 Dec 12, 2005, 9:19 AM




Mr. Tibbs

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Yeah funny how everyone wants to talk about it isn't it. The licking of Dan's feet for coming down like a ton of bricks on the horrdid idea of conversation but the rush to talk about the off topic subject. I find it quite amusing.



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How difficult is it not too read something? You saw the OT and knew well ahead of time what I was doing yet you came and played my childish game of rebelion. Which makes my whole point. Everyone says they want to keep it real and talk on topic but know down in thier hearts that there is nothing new on topic to talk about and they come here for the people not the 9 millionth Powercrank argument.





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They like to get you in a compromising position
They like to get you there and smille in your face
They think, they're so cute when they got you in that condition
Well I think, it's a total disgrace

CHORUS:
I fight authority, authority always wins
I fight authority, authority always wins
I been doing it, since I was a young kid
I've come out grinnin'
I fight authority, authority always wins

I woudn't say I am trolling because it very above the board what I am doing. What am doing, which I can understand is something you find distasteful, is trying to get everyone to talk about what is going on. Everyone loved the cleansing yet everyone wants to post off topic Dan included, JR's writings are my evidence.

So why can't we just ignore what we hate and give Dan sometime away from the computer. The whole cheating thread was kept alive by people nashing there teeth. If you don't like it don't read it goes away fast. I should know my on topic posts die faster then Heavy D.

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I fought the law and the law won, I fought the law and the law won.

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A solitary man

I agree it is all about you getting attention, but don't you get enough attention in the Lavender Room? Very few trolls admit they are trolls. If Slowman wants to tolerate you while you dump on him and everyone else, that's fine. In the short run, you may get some "views" and some folks think you are amusing in some way, but in the long run, I think it runs more people off.

I'm done. See ya.

He's TIBBS, let it go!!

I have to agree with Tibbs. I don't know where this new policy making is coming from. I remember people complaining before about OT posts, and I thought Slowman said it was a "lifestyle" forum, not a triathlon forum. I come here more for the personalities than for the triathlon talk. I've been here since just before the new board came up (over 3 years) - very rarely are there triathlon topics that are new and haven't been rehashed a million times before. But almost always, there are engaging conversations between many different people with different qualities and characterstics.

I think the board is at a fork in the road right now, feeling pressure to define itself. My opinion is that it should stay in the unique niche that it has created - a lifestyle forum. Beyond the over-the-top threads that should be deleted and people who should be banned, I don't understand why things need to change. What's wrong with OT threads? If you don't like it, just don't read it. It's extremely simple. Tibbs is spot on.

And Monk, you have been known to post your share of OT posts. I enjoy your posts very much. I wouldn't want any of it to change.

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"What the mind can conceive and believe, the mind and body can achieve; and those who stay will be champions."

Three cheers...Dan!

"What's wrong with OT threads?"

nothing. i like reading them. i like posting them. i like sharing in these discussions with the people i've grown to like here. you'll find these threads in the lavender room. that's where they go.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Well, that's fair enough. Perhaps it is my problem, as I'm too lazy to spend a bunch of time over there. It seems that everytime I go into that forum people are arguing about religon and government. So, I will explore it more to be fair in my assessment.

I understand that you face challenges to direct this board. I worry, however, about the direction things are heading, and want to voice my opinion that things remain loosely moderated. Perhaps this isn't possible because some people can not handle themselves. I concede we may be past that point. However, I remain hopeful that there is a solution in the middle of a free for all and rigid sets of rules.

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"What the mind can conceive and believe, the mind and body can achieve; and those who stay will be champions."

Bump, Bump, Thanks Dan

not funny

Been off the internet for the last few days - anyone care to say who got banned?

I don't think anyone knows specifics.

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Life isn't measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the number of moments that take your breath away.

"However, I remain hopeful that there is a solution in the middle of a free for all and rigid sets of rules."

I just don't get this.

Dan has at every turn allowed slightly OT stuff to go on in this forum. Even some pretty WAY OT stuff. The only time things get out of control is when a bunch of people start feeling teh need to start posting tons of things about subjects that are not even remotely tri related and or breaking the few cardinal rules.

1) No bad mouthing Tri realted companies.
2) No posting BS that is hurtfull/slanderous etc etc with some REALLY concrete proof.
3) no politics/religion outside or the LR

Paraphrased of course.

I fail to see the problem with these.

Point is we're in Dan's house as a guest. He invited us. In his house he wants to have certain discussions avoided and certain behaviors curbed. If you came to my house and started BS about how my wife is abitch or kids are A-holes I'd kick you out too. If you came to my house and started flicking boogers on the wall or started using language I felt was not welcome in my house...bye bye.

It's not really freakin' hard people.

For the most part I think Dan is more than leniant and it is HIS personality and flexibilty that allows such freedoms here. If *I* don't like the way things are run here....I'll leave. When in Rome folks. Personally I like the Rome we call ST....and currently the Ceaser is kinda pissed so let it go. There will be time enough later for feeding christians to the lions.

~Matt

Soooo...are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

Your statement that you don't get what I'm saying seems contradictory, but I agree with everything you said. I think it is pretty easy to stick to the 3 rules you paraphrased, and I just hope we don't go much further in censorchip.

"Point is we're in Dan's house as a guest."

Of course the forum is his, but it's more of a business than a house. It wouldn't be successful if we didn't come here and interact - the sole purpose of a forum. I'm not bitching because I feel things should be run my way. I'm just trying to express a desire to more or less keep things the way they've been. Now if this is impossible or if Dan just doesn't want to, then I have the choice to stay and see how things go or leave. I'm fine with those options.

The forum is going through some growing pains right now, that have been coming on for at least the last year, and we should give Slowman as much feedback as possible to keeps things as best as possible for everyone. I see this thread as an opportunity to discuss where we stand - and leave it up to the big guy to make the hard decisions.

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"What the mind can conceive and believe, the mind and body can achieve; and those who stay will be champions."

I think we pretty much agree, I just don't think there needs to be a solution as there is already one....follow the rules. In essence nothing needs to change UNLESS people insist on being dumbasses. In which case the only thing that can and or will change is ST will cease to exist.

"but it's more of a business than a house."

I have a tendency to disagree with this. for the most part I suspect that Dan is merely "breaking even" on this forum and certainly is not putting up with the BS here for all the cash he's making. I suspect also that he's probably well off enough that whatever pitance he may make here is of little concern to him.

He has this forum because he enjoy's tri's and the people accosated with this activity. IOW he invited us all over to hang out out, not to sell us stuff. Of course all of this is specualtion on my part.

But other than that I think we agree.

~Matt

THANK YOU, I WAS GETTING TO THE POINT OF SKIPPING OVER MOST OF THE FORUM BECAUSE OF THE SUBJECT MATTER

"Personally I like the Rome we call ST....and currently the Ceaser is kinda pissed so let it go. There will be time enough later for feeding christians to the lions."

Man, that got me laughing...

I think of it this way -- we're on probation for an indefinite period. Personally, I'm (pleasantly) surprised that Dan puts up with as much as he does. I think I would have thrown in the towel long ago.

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Thanks Dan,

I came here for the community and the sharing of tri-related info. But as of late I have found the balance between topic and off topic to be skewed out of balance.

Thank You for steering the ship

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Triumph Multisport
http://www.triumph-multisport.com
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tomp_imc@yahoo.com

24 Ironman length races and counting

"want to voice my opinion that things remain loosely moderated"

you won't have to worry about that. i believe the govt that governs best governs least. i'll be the least amount intrusive here as i can. there will always be only the sparest of rules here.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

[reply]I have to agree with Tibbs. I don't know where this new policy making is coming from. [/reply]

And that my friend is the problem with your argument. For those who did not see the mess, It was VERY bad, and yes it was near the level of another tri-websites historic Very bad.

I think alot of the "OT" are somehow multisport related. But a few are clearly not and personal relationships are clearly way OT.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

On the contrary, I saw the whole thing. Everyone knew based on Slowman's OLD policy, in place since I've been around, what was going to happen. I suspect the perpetrator himself knew. It was unfortunate that it went on as long as it did, but that was due to extenuating circumstances.

Based on what Slowman has said and how he has handled things the past few days, I know this will remain the best forum (related to any subject) there is. I shouldn't have worried, he's proven himself to be a pretty sharp guy and right in tune with the way to run things.

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"What the mind can conceive and believe, the mind and body can achieve; and those who stay will be champions."

[reply]

you won't have to worry about that. i believe the govt that governs best governs least. i'll be the least amount intrusive here as i can. there will always be only the sparest of rules here.[/reply]

this is what makes this site great, including the lavender room. everyone knows when something is obviously over the line. just follow the golden rule and we'll all be fine.

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"the trouble with normal is - it always gets worse"

- Cockburn

Condolences on the passing of your friend, Dan.

Thanks Monk for posting my good name along side Tibbs post about cheating. Great!

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This was 3 pages deep...bump.

You saved the day Flogganagain!

 

Thanks Dan,

I haven't been posting much lately (damn I hate when work is busy).

While I like a risque discussion as much as the next guy, and I repeatedly get hauled up for calling a spade a spade, I wholeheartedly agree with your (for lack of better term) censorship. I'm generally against censorship, but as your rules tend to align pretty closely with mine, it's hard to argue with you.

Besides, life is too short to be hurtful to others. Best just to leave them alone, but some people don't seem to have figured out that concept and are just plain mean. Best to keep them off the forum and leave it for those of us that generally know how to behave.

Intereseting that you pointed out the issue of ones self importance. (and a posters relative value to ST) After you, I thought I was the most important one here, but I suspect that might be just my own overblown feelings of self importance.:-) Please feel free to ban me if I get stupid or out of hand (and I promise to try to NOT be offensive or mean to anyone)

Long live Slowtwitch!

Regards

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"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

Same here. Damn, you blink, you miss the action! Quite right anyway Slowman.Thanks for being the Guardian. Where is Francois when you need him? ;-)

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lol

this thread was made a year and a half ago.


.

But seems some have yet to read and implement.

Dave

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Dan,

Condolences on the loss of your friend.
Thank you for opening your doors to us.

Personally, I was away for the weekend and missed all of the hubub - and I'm not particularly sorry that I did.

lol

Slowman, this music to my ears. This guy has some thoughts on the 'ecology of forums and social networks' written down here The relevant bit:

......."While Im up on my high horse, let me add some historical context. Social networks are not new. Go back 20 years to CompuServe and UseNet groups and then chat rooms. They all cycled through the same way. They were fun and exciting when you found people with like interests. People found the forum, group or room usually via referral. People involved learned, were educated, were entertained, whatever the forum offered. Then if the forum grew, as in any group, some participants became more popular than others, and others tried, but failed to become popular. Still, they tried to dominate conversations, and when they couldn't they tried different ways to game or sabotage the system. That pushed out the "purists" and original posters.

Then the spammers came. When the forum reaches the point where no one has a strong connection, the spammers and people trying to game the forum take over till the forum dies. Its what has become "The Ecology of Forums and Social Networks" . When a forum is open to everyone, eventually everyone shows up and the original attraction of the forum is lost. Someone has got to take responsibility for any open social network or the network will die........."

lol

this thread was made a year and a half ago.

What the heck! I've just about read this entire thread and wondering what I missed this last weekend in September of 07!
Thanks for pointing that out.

dude, I just did the same thing! I was so confused.

I got into it with a few folks about 2 weeks ago. I was relieved when he said the mess all happened over the weekend.....then I saw the date and realized it was a weekend 16 months ago. Again, I'm sure I wasn't one of the culprits.

Glad I stopped reading! ; ^ )

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It is kinda funny how people are still saying "Yeh good on ya" 16 months later though :-). I hope Slowman doesn't see this resurrection and put another smackdown on.

~Matt

Ah the memories... That was a good weekend;-)

Dan, your pep talk worked. The discourse has immeasureably improved since the weekend ;)

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...what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, but only until it kills you - Cousin Elwood

Personally I am glad that Bill saw to revive this thread (even though I think Bill is Dan's nomme de guerre). What with the ill natured pissing contest between House and Paulo and the unbelievable attack on Tom D it's time for people to step back and have a look at how things are going.

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"How bad can it be?" - SimpleS

the unbelievable attack on Tom D it's time for people to step back and have a look at how things are going.

I missed that, what thread was that?

Wow! Didn't realize what the heck was going on either. Now I DO know what the hubub was about - 16 months ago. I remember it well.

I promise I'll behave myself.
Don't send me to the corner AGAIN.
I won't be a potty mouth any more.
Sniff sniff

rtk

Another thing that needs to stop are the offensive sig lines, especially the ones with xenophobe overtones.

Why is my sig line offensive, when it is a request not to apply a phrase to me?

FWTW, I don't believe you started the argument with House but then didn't let it go either.

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"How bad can it be?" - SimpleS

Yep, it is interesting to see what all the little scamps can come up with our collective unconciousness. Slowman, when are you going on vacation next? I been saving up some good stuff. Oh, Ironman ain't all that far away.

Good grief, triathletes cannot fucking count, no wonder we say we rode 50 when it was actually 40.1, a 3 mile run is 8 miles and all the guys' dicks are 10" long......

"16 months ago" would have been May, 2006....December 2005 was 21+ months ago...and indeed, the thread that prompted Slowman's response was a doozy...

But who's counting....

;-)

(P.S., reply in general, not to you G-man...)

Hey, you want to help me with my math homework??

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Sure...12+9=16, right?

;-)

Um, I have to get a passing grade to get tuition reimbursement from my employer....

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Awww, Katy's not all THAT evil. Only slightly evil. In a good way. - JasoninHalifax

ooohhhhh yeah, I remember that one now... that was crazy. beyond anything that should have been here.

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Um, I have to get a passing grade to get tuition reimbursement from my employer....

Priceless....!

;-)

So that's a "No" on the homework help, right?

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Awww, Katy's not all THAT evil. Only slightly evil. In a good way. - JasoninHalifax

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=1485355;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

But it looks like the negative post was slowmaned.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

But if your English, Irish or Scotish (EDIT to add Welsh) are you not also British? Of course European geography is not my strong suit. But I can find Michigan on a world map.

I am a Michigander and don't call me an American.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Ireland is a separate country. You may have meant Wales. Northern Ireland can be included as British but in a weaker sense.

Calling any of Britain European is likely to cause you further problems :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

"So that's a "No" on the homework help, right?"

No....I would be happy to help. So while there is a "no" in *this* particular response, the actual answer is a "yes".

Or something like that.

went through the whole thread and I am still looking for the the unbelievable attack on Tom D!!!

Maybe I missed something?
Fred.

Me too... I've never been to Bikesport so I found most of the post to be potentially believable. Nothing that made me suspend any of my former or current beliefs.

Brad

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I think you slept through geography correct? You do realize that you need a boat to get to Ireland from the United Kingdom right.

From Wiki.

The British Isles (Irish: Éire agus an Bhreatain Mhór[1](Ireland & Great Britain) or Oileáin Iarthair Eorpa,[2](West European Isles) Manx: Ellanyn Goaldagh, Scottish Gaelic: Eileanan Breatannach, Welsh: Ynysoedd Prydain, French: Îles Britanniques), are a group of islands off the northwest coast of continental Europe comprising Great Britain, Ireland and a number of smaller islands.[3] There are two sovereign states located on the islands: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.[4] The group also includes the crown dependencies of the Isle of Man and, by tradition, the Channel Islands, although the latter are not physically a part of the archipelago.[5] There are other common uncertainties surrounding the extent, names and geographical elements of the island group.

The term British Isles is controversial in relation to Ireland where its use is objected to by many people[6] and by the government of the Republic of Ireland[7]. Its use is also avoided in relations between the governments of the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom, who generally employ the euphemism these islands.[8][9]


Some more from Wiki.
British passports issued in the UK have the wording "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" on their cover.

So it appears they have British passports?

And in the wiki definition of British:

The term can be seen in the following contexts:

• In modern identity, a Briton, a collective description for the inhabitants of Great Britain, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands and, to a much lesser degree, Ireland, where it refers almost exclusively to the Protestant community of Northern Ireland.[3]

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I believe I said the offending post has been Slowmaned (ST slang for removed by Dan)

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Uhm you need a boat to get to Hawaii also but their still part of the USofA

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

But in the address of someone that lives in Hawaii it is stated that it is a part of the USA. My family does not have Ireland, British Isles or United Kingdom. Ireland is Ireland and you are Irish. Plain and simple. I hope this makes more sense.

Three different countries(Ireland, Scotland and the UK for this conversation) that make up the British Isles. But being a part of the British Isles does not make you all British.

While this Wiki explanation is great and all, it does not really explain the difference. You have to be from there or have family living there to fully understand.

If you called someone from Ireland or Scotland "British" or (English for that matter) they might just beat you and keep walking.

[reply]
Personally I am glad that Bill saw to revive this thread (even though I think Bill is Dan's nomme de guerre). What with the ill natured pissing contest between House and Paulo and the unbelievable attack on Tom D it's time for people to step back and have a look at how things are going.[/reply]


I think it is time for more banings as people obviously can't be relied upon to keep things civil.


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Thank you Brian for explaining the difference. The Hawaiian analogy is very good, most true Hawaiians are proudly Hawaiian and would not be happy to be called American as is the case you explained with the Irish and Scots in your post, I just can't see why it should be SO difficult for people to respect my request and refer to me at English and not a Brit. I can't talk with authority on things happening in or how people in those other countries of the British Isles feel only that of England.

Do you enjoy being called a North American?

I'm sure this won't lie down as some people just like to pick at scabs. It's hard to believe that I have had this sig line for nearly a year!

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Great post Slowman!

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Save a bike - ride a triathlete

Is using terms like "Japs" or the n-word acceptable forum behavior? Serious question.

[reply]Is using terms like "Japs" or the n-word acceptable forum behavior? Serious question.[/reply]

Would you do it in the "real" world?

I really don't care what people call me.

But since I am an Earthling, Northern Hemispherion, North American, United States of American, Michigander, troll, Oakland Countian, Noivite. I would not tell someone not to call me any of these which are all accurate and correct.

Now if you called me a Norwegian, British, English, Danish, I would also not be offended because my ancestors came from those regions, along with others I can not recall at the moment.

Oh and If you want to call me Canadian, thats fine to they have a cool flag, you would be wrong but thats ok with me.

Ya know the more I think about it I would like to be called North American (if we all started that it would be one step closer to uniting with Canada (hey aer money is on even exchange now)

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

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Ya know the more I think about it I would like to be called North American (if we all started that it would be one step closer to uniting with Canada (hey aer money is on even exchange now)[/reply]

blah....no thanks. :) I love my neighbors to the south, however, like all good neighbors, you don't want them around you all the time. :)

I had nothing to do with the original thread 2 years ago spiraling out of control.

I think.

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This is simply hilarious! The posts by people who thought this was a recent thread are priceless.

but...

but...

but...

Whatever happened to "The sun never sets on the British Empire"?

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I actually do not like the label North American. I am a Canadian living on the North American continent. I find that the only time the term "North American" is used is when an American does not do something as well as a Canadian then we come North Ameican's. Canadian's do not like to be lumped in with the American's as "North American's". I am not sure why this is but it happens.

I am sure people from England and wales would disagree with your definition.

It set. Except for the Falklands. :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

But wait I go South to get into Canada.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Well, I guess I can't help to explain it to you, sorry.

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It set during Victoria's reign and I don't mean the "Rain in Victoria" either ;-)

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"How bad can it be?" - SimpleS

See, you get it, why can't others?

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"How bad can it be?" - SimpleS

I am sure people from England and wales would disagree with your definition.
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I don't.

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"How bad can it be?" - SimpleS

It is funny as I was on the phone with England today and my distributor was laughing his ass off at what I was telling him people were saying. This is what he told me this morning.

Irish are Irish, Welsh are Welsh, Scottish are Scottish, English are English and British are uptight assholes who think they are better than the rest. I was laughing so hard.

Then he tells me that it must be a YANK that was not getting it.

Julian will get this one.

I always call him a Southerner as he is from York and you know that Northerners hate being called a Southerner. I only do this when he calls me a YANK. I can never remember what the cut off is for the north and south but the two Englishmen that I work with will always argue about what city is the cutoff.

I just never bring up Football around them (the real football not the American crap) ;^)

That's funny and very true. Next time it comes up call him a Northern Monkey, that goes down a treat. I like to tease a friend from Birmingham (pronounced Bir ming hmm) a Northern although his town is in the Midlands that leads to calling him a nothing as he's neither a Northerner or a Southerner. All good humoured fun.

It is said that the line is the Watford Gap which is a service station on the M1 (the first motorway to be built in England). http://www.leeds.ac.uk/reporter/439/kwales.htm

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So you agree England is part of the Britain, You are English and therefore British, You just don't want to be called British. That I can understand, but the fact still stands you are.

Now please don't call me late for supper. (of course if supper has started and I am not there regardless of what you call me I will be later for supper).

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

That is the town that they mention a lot. I could not remember what it was called. The M1 is where my buddy does all his crazy high speeds on his motor bike and gets all his tickets. Well enough about the BRITISH ISLES. We might get banned for to much Foreign Content.

DAve, thanks for your understanding and complying with my wishes. Such a small thing to do but never mind.

Good night, although I am sure you will disagree about that too. ;-)

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"How bad can it be?" - SimpleS

Please do not start a discussion about supper, dinner, tea time and such. It is no where near what it is in North America. Very complicated in the UK.

Brian, the Watford gap is jsut the motorway services not a town. The town of Watford is MILES south of there, which just makes it even funnier. But you are right we had better get off the subject so that DavHamm can continue to taunt me ;-).

Good night.

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"How bad can it be?" - SimpleS

Hey it is before Midnight there, why you going to be so early?

Sorry forgot to mention. Now I get why the argue about it being more south. I am going to tell them that it is Watford Gap and not the town and get back to work the next time they bring it up.

so you are saying england and wales are the same country?

Who are these people calling you things you don't like to be called?


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I don't mind being called North American at all, but it's not exactly the same thing. N. Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and England are all part of the same sovereign nation. A closer analogy would be asking me if I liked being called American instead of Texan. The answer would be that I don't really care as I'm obviously both. If you are discussing something and you mean to include Mexicans, Canadians, Americans, etc... then naturally you would use the term North Americans. Would you be ok with someone using the term British if they were intending to include people from the entire UK?

Understand, I'm not trying to be an ass here, I just find this kind of stuff rather facinating.

And I don't at all mind referring to you as English if that's what you prefer. I'm just curious why you mind being called British. Do you have a problem being linked with the Welsh, Scots, and N. Irish? Knowing what little I do about the history, I guess I could see why a Scot, for example, might not like to be referred to as British, but not being from there I don't have a true understanding as to why you don't like the term British.

If any of this has offended you, I'm sorry as it wasn't my intention. Like I said, I'm just curious.

Are there any other 2 year old threads you can dig up? It appears people can keep adding to them even after the main discussion is long over?

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Tri-ing to have fun. Anything else is just a bonus!

Knowing the history of oppression and tyranny that the Welsh, Scottish and Irish suffered at the hands of the English throughout centuries, Julian's little "innocent" and "personal" remark is clearly a xenophobe affirmation. He is either stupid or ignorant enough to believe that it's not offensive, or maybe he thinks that we are stupid or ignorant.

Shut it you!

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

is that not a case of the pot calling the kettle black

It is alright because anything that Paulo does or says is acceptable behavior in ST.

Before we let you leave, your commander must cross that field, present himself before this army, put his head between his legs, and kiss his own arse.

Ya Paulo! I got to break out my Wolfe Tones' CD's now. :-)

I agree with Jaylew, Sorry If I caused offense, and If you prefer to be called by the E name as apposed to the B name thats fine I will probably just refer to you as JulianInEngland.

The part I don't get is the first part of your sig seems to contradict fact, It may be a fact your don't want to be reminded of but of course you bring it up every time you read one of your posts.

Jullian --- Hopefully this does not spoil your toad in the hole.

For what ever reason our neighborhood is populated with lots of English folks, including my neighbor. So I will have to have this discussion with them and maybe they can better explain whatever it is I am missing.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Had to retire early as I am marshalling a middle distance race this morning and have to leave home for 0615!

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DAve, I merely put it there to TRY unsuccessfully to stop people refering to me as British which I do not consider myself to be. Nothing more intended (dispite Paulo's continued barrage of insults) but it seems people like yourself will not allow me that minor courtesy.

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You ae right on one point, I do think you are ignorant but not on geographical matters but in how to conduct yourself and how you treat other people. I am no more responsible for the events of 1500 years ago any more than you are of your nation in the 15/16th century nor do I bear malice to the Scandanavian people for invading England and the ensuing rape and pillage.

Since there is no sign of your treating me (or many other STers) with any common courtesy I shall revert to neither reading your offensive posts or responding to them.

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Very well said Julian. I think the best thing to do is not sink down to Paulo's level when responding to his replies to posts. If everyone does the same in every thread that he posts in then maybe the moderators will see that it is just Paulo being this way and they will do something about it.

Maybe the moderators can set up in the User profile or Display settings a place that you can type in a persons user name and just block the posts they make from appearing on your screen. Just a thought.

See now for me this is a very close to the heart subject because my Dad's Ancestors (Scandinavian) use to rape and and pillage my Mom's ancestors (Uhm errr citizens of the big islands off the coast of France, you know the one across that channel thats connect by the chunnel)

And I think its things like the above that make Americans (the great melting pot) so nonchalant about it all.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I am sure no american that posts here ever owned any slaves, but that doesn't entitle them to use the n-word EVER. Your signature file is an offensive xenophobe remark and your personal attacks to me don't change that.

Mom's ancestors (Uhm errr citizens of the big islands off the coast of France, you know the one across that channel thats connect by the chunnel)
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Now, that's funny, Dave. I like that, very good.

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Maybe the moderators can set up in the User profile or Display settings a place that you can type in a persons user name and just block the posts they make from appearing on your screen. Just a thought.

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What a lovely idea. Watch yourself though you could be next on Paulo's (s)hit list by association.

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[reply] Your signature file is an offensive xenophobe remark and your personal attacks to me don't change that.[/reply]

You've been in the US too long obviously...

How is expressing that he is English rather than British Xenophobic and that he is proud of that Xenophobic? You complaining of personal attacks is somewhat rich.

As a Dane, I am deeply offended by your reference to Scandinavian people and rape and pillage.

It is well known fact that this perception is the result of a pernicious PR campaign by the Saxons who could not handle that my forefathers got all the hot girls when they visited for the purpose of cultural exchange and commerce.

Since Vikings bathed twice a year whether they needed it or not, as opposed to standard once a year, and occasionally combed their hair it is entirely understandable that the local woman would prefer their company.

Instead of improving their own hygiene, Saxons resorted to vicious lies.

Please do not aid in this continuing campaign of misinformation.

I am sure no american that posts here ever owned any slaves, but that doesn't entitle them to use the n-word EVER.

Really? I think we're entitled to use whatever words we want.

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I'm not.

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You're not what?

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Steve Perkins

Now that is funny.

And remember if your significantly above average that makes you a Great Dane.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

We are both descended from nice smelling people, something to be proud of.

I am sure that Julian was saying that he is not entitled to use whatever words we want as per Paulo.

Well, my point was that anyone can say pretty much anything they want. "Entitlement" has nothing to do with it.

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What I do not understand is how Paulo is allowed to go off calling someone ignorant, xenophopic, racist and so forth and how this is contributing to the sport of Triathlon and this forum. I would hope that a moderator would send him an email explaining this is not acceptable and to cool it. Also for any other as well as it is not only Paulo that is doing this but it does appear that he as of late, doing most of it.

I will also say that I should not have called or implied that someone is ignorant and arrogant as this does not contribute anything positive to a triathlon forum so I have deleted the comments made in hopes that other will do the same and make this a nice place to talk about all things triathlon.

I would also like to say that if you do not have anything positive to say or that your intentions are to ridicule, humiliate, name call or anything else not constructive maybe it is time to move on.

If someone does continue to do such things, then I would ask the rest of the forum to ignore the person and let them show who they really are to Dan and the other moderators in the hopes that they will be banned.

One last item that I think should be addressed is the user profiles. I would ban everyone until their user profiles are updated with their real names at least to show that their intention on the site are good. I do not see why someone that is hiding behind an anonymous user name should be allowed to post here.

That is my piece for the day.

I would hope that a moderator would send him an email explaining this is not acceptable and to cool it.

Well except that some fo the moderators have a habit of calling people idiot's and using other such adjectives. Hard to to be a hypocrit.

~Matt

This is truly priceless. You've been posting anonymously on Slowtwitch for over four years, yet in order to add this little paragraph to your anti-Paulo rant, you updated your profile this morning.

Well, nice to meet you, Brian Cropp from Surrey, Canada. Welcome to Slowtwitch.

I am sure no american that posts here ever owned any slaves, but that doesn't entitle them to use the n-word EVER.

Really? I think we're entitled to use whatever words we want.

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Yes I did update my profile this morning to add my last name (which I thought was up there) and to change my city from Near Vancouver to Surrey (as I had moved and did not change it). I have not been posting anonymously for 4 years (as you suggest) as I have had my home email address with my last name in it, my first name and my city (Near Vancouver as most people do not know where Surrey or Coquitlam are, North Shore maybe) up the whole time as I do not have anything to hide. The funny thing is Paul emailed me pictures last night at my home email address asking me to post some pictures of Norman and his new bike. How would he have emailed me at home if I was posting anonymously?

Please Paulo, think before you post and have all the details as well. Once again you go off making assumptions before you know all the detail and just guessed that I had been posting anonymously which is so far from the truth.

This will be my last email ever directed at you. Please try to make sure that you are adding constructive and insightful information to ST instead of what you are currently adding. I am sure that I talk for a lot of people.

You're wasting your breath. Don't you know that Paulo can do no wrong here?

That is really too bad, because exposing you for the hypocrite that I showed you to be was really amusing.

He even has several advanced degrees, in a foreign language no less.

Resistance is futile, we must submit.

According to Bman, you and Sprinter_Mel should be banned.

At least Paulo hasn't been whining about people getting kicked off the forum...

;-)

Jodi

Pray tell why?

One last item that I think should be addressed is the user profiles. I would ban everyone until their user profiles are updated with their real names at least to show that their intention on the site are good. I do not see why someone that is hiding behind an anonymous user name should be allowed to post here.

As a fellow Englishman to Julian, I support all of his comments 100%....similarly, I am English, not British, but I am a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain. Having said that, what I cannot understand is why DavHamm (not to single you out, but simply for example) would want to be called anything but American, as that is his nationality. I do not understand the American infactuation with being anything but American.....I don't know how many times an American has told me they are Polish or German etc.....never American.

Also DavHamm, a correction on the above, should it not be Novi-ite?

Lastly, for clarification, Ireland has nothing to do with Britain, Great Britain, United Kingdom etc. Northern Ireland does, but not the Republic of Ireland...an entirely separate entity.

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You avoided answering my previous question, still waiting.

As for user profiles, I follow the rules. Change them and I will happily comply but your argument is a non sequitur anyway. How do "real" names assure that their intentions are good? Furthermore, are you suggesting a verification process to validate that the "real" name is not an assumed name?.

What was your question then? Enlighten me.

A few minutes ago you stated:

According to Bman, you and Sprinter_Mel should be banned.

My question to you as well as Bman is why?

Um...

You have to ask Bman, not me. I am pretty sure I never indicated it was my opinion.

Jodi

But you sure do like to spread it.

On another note, what the hell are all of us doing sitting at our keyboards on what at least in the Midwest is a gorgeous fall day.

Lets ride!!!

Going for a run. You're right. The weather couldn't be more perfect!

Jodi

Have fun and stay safe.

  
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Why is my sig line offensive, when it is a request not to apply a phrase to me?

FWTW, I don't believe you started the argument with House but then didn't let it go either.[/reply]
But if your English, Irish or Scotish (EDIT to add Welsh) are you not also British? Of course European geography is not my strong suit. But I can find Michigan on a world map."


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Technically Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom but not Great Britain....but who is splitting hairs? I happen to agree with the point of your post AND find the signature to be both offensive and bizarre....

Unless of course Julian is in posesson of a unique "English" passport? I'm sure he also refuses to support GB in the Olympic games and would opt to not represent GB in the Triathlon World Championships...

God knows what he thinks of Simon Lessing, Andrew Johns, Leanda Cave et al who are all British but neither English, Scottish or Welsh.

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"Do you enjoy being called a North American?"

last time i checked there was no such nationality.

Serious Question: do you own a passport and which country was it issued by?

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" Knowing the history of oppression and tyranny that the Welsh, Scottish and Irish suffered at the hands of the English throughout centuries, Julian's little "innocent" and "personal" remark is clearly a xenophobe affirmation. He is either stupid or ignorant enough to believe that it's not offensive, or maybe he thinks that we are stupid or ignorant."

Thank you Paulo. This is precisely why I take offence to the signature and I am also English/British (and FWIW, I'm not a pompous twat either :-).

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Well, if you look I do have American in there and thats fine to me. What makes up your Nationality Whats on your Passport, Then I am American and I believe you are British. If it is the country of my forefathers they were not from this country. If we go back 1 or 2 generations I am American, 3 Nope no longer Then i am part Dane. After about 5 generations back I have no American in my genealogy.

So I am proud to be an American, but if you ask my my nationality I would usually respond with my genetic make up from the old country, why cause thats what most people over here mean when asking that, they know I was born in this country and that makes my citizenship American. From Wiki: Generally, nationality is established at birth by a child's place of birth (jus soli) and/or bloodline (jus sanguinis). So most Americans, assume people know there jus soli, and are telling their jus sanquinis. It appears both are correct.

Novi-ite, Novian? Michiganian Michigander? Whatever you want. Of course I was born in Detroit, raised In Dearborn and Dearborn Heights, so maybe I should include those Oh ya my first yr of life was in Warren. Like I said it really is meaningless to me what people want to call me, its just a label.

Ya I admit mentioning Ireland was proof of my ignorance in world geography, though further research did show it is a point of contention.

Now if I can ask you a question without offending you, why do you want to deny that England is part of Great B**. I really don't know or understand, and it appears to be to sensitive for Julian to explain. If you are uncomfortable answering thats fine I will ask my neighbor or some of my Co-workers who are from your country. Hopefully that won't hit me.


Thanks

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Can we put an end to this lameness once and for all by simply refering to you as a POM?

Also, special thanks for sending Lady Sovereign. Our people will be forever grateful.

Michiganian Michigander?

Apparently it depends on whether or not you originated from Canada.

Bernie

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Dave,

no offence taken, it takes a wise man to ask and understand more. I am a native of the country known as England. England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Man etc etc etc are members of the United Kingdom of Great Britain....not a country, a group linked by sovereignty. Now, to confuse items greatly, IF you were a national of a member of the Commonwealth, you used to be able to carry a British Passport in that case also....I am not informed enough to know if that is still an option. So, the country to which I have allegience is England.

I must point to this fact regarding your comments on being American. From the English view, Americans appear very proud of being American, from watching sports events growing up, to putting a hand on the heart during the national anthem......very proud. YET, when you experience America, no-one is American, everyone is Polish, Danish, a Swede, etc. It seems strange that people have a great affinity to something they never knew, and not something they are.

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YET, when you experience America, no-one is American, everyone is Polish, Danish, a Swede, etc. It seems strange that people have a great affinity to something they never knew, and not something they are.

Oddly I think this is what makes America, uniquely American. We want, even encourage, other culture to some degree. However that culture falls second to the well being of the country as a whole, or at least in most cases. It really is more like a family structure. Each culture fights with the other (sibling rivalry) but when someone attacks your brother (other culture or country) we become a very supportive and solid family.

Unfortunately I'd say this applied very strong 20-30+ years and seems to apply less and less each day.

~Matt

Could not agree more.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I did ask a co-worker but he left there when he was 13 but he didn't get it.

So I think what your saying is some people do not want to be identified as part of the sovereignty (even though acurate) and want to be identified by there local nation.

I think then the similiarity would be for me to say I am a Michiganian/ Michigander and dont call me an American. Granted over time our States have acted less as Nations but State really did come from Nations (as in The heads of State).

But the part I am missing is the why I get that relationship (sovereignty to nation) but whats so bad about being called British? (most Americans think British is English, English is British) Is being called European or Earthling offensive? Thats the part I am missing.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Completely agree. I remember very clearly when I was about 9 or 10 years old. It was pretty obvious that my dad was proud of his Finnish heritage, so I asked him one day, "Are we Finnish?". And he said, "no, we are Americans". I think that's how it should be...proud of your heritage, but at the end of the day, you are an American. Notably, he did not say that we are "Finnish-Americans".

Spot

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From Pulp Fiction (if you forgot, Butch is played by Bruce Willis)

Esmeralda: What is your name?
Butch: Butch.
Esmeralda: What does it mean?
Butch: I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit.

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Jim_n_La
...what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, but only until it kills you - Cousin Elwood

30 years ago americans were just as unhappy and wishful for 30 years ago as you are today. Be here and realize that this is the best time because it is now.

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hey, hey, hey, don't forget- Stan Yablonsky never cold cocked no woman.

I'm English and couldn't care less whether you call me English, British, Pom, Rosbeef or whatever, and I would guess most English people think the same.
But then I left 14 years ago so maybe I lost touch...
Just to add confusion the English xenophobic far right wing political party is called the BRITISH national party. Work that one out.

Man, I cannot believe how much traction this stupid little remark has generated. So I'm just going to toss in my favourite quote on the subject:


ALL. He is an Englishman!
BOAT. He is an Englishman!
For he himself has said it,
And it's greatly to his credit,
That he is an Englishman!
ALL. That he is an Englishman!
BOAT. For he might have been a Roosian,
A French, or Turk, or Proosian,
Or perhaps Itali-an!
ALL. Or perhaps Itali-an!
BOAT. But in spite of all temptations
To belong to other nations,
He remains an Englishman!
ALL. For in spite of all temptations, etc.


...

ALL. For he is an Englishman,
And he himself hath said it,
And it's greatly to his credit
That he is an Englishman!

Gilbert & Sullivan - HMS Pinafore

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Did you leave for Provence, like many Brits? I would definitely understand...

Provence via Germany. Now doing the same as just about every other Brit here and setting up a b&b...
Who can blame us Brits for moving somewhere with great food, mountains, sun, great biking etc etc

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God knows what he thinks of Simon Lessing, Andrew Johns, Leanda Cave et al who are all British but neither English, Scottish or Welsh.[/reply]

actually, Leanda Cave is Welsh...Lessing is born in South Africa...Johns born in the UK but raced for both OZ and the UK...interesting choices.

Luberon by any chance?

Vence (06), but in a house right on the IM Nice bike course up in the hills :-)

Not a bad choice at all! Actually, Joel here is from Vence I believe...or maybe St-Paul de Vence...either way, nice area...i'm jealous.

I'll one up you, you English k-niggit:
[King Arthur music] [clop clop clop] ARTHUR: Halt! [horn] Hallo! [pause] Hallo! FRENCH GUARD: Allo! Who is eet? ARTHUR: It is King Arthur, and these are my Knights of the Round Table. Whose castle is this? FRENCH GUARD: This is the castle of my master, Guy de Loimbard. ARTHUR: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest. If he will give us food and shelter for the night, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Grail. FRENCH GUARD: Well, I'll ask him, but I don't think he'll be very keen. Uh, he's already got one, you see. ARTHUR: What? GALAHAD: He says they've already got one! ARTHUR: Are you sure he's got one? FRENCH GUARD: Oh, yes. It's very nice-a. (I told him we already got one.) FRENCH GUARDS: [chuckling] ARTHUR: Well, u-- um, can we come up and have a look? FRENCH GUARD: Of course not! You are English types-a! ARTHUR: Well, what are you, then? FRENCH GUARD: I'm French! Why do think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king-a?! GALAHAD: What are you doing in England? FRENCH GUARD: Mind your own business! ARTHUR: If you will not show us the Grail, we shall take your castle by force! FRENCH GUARD: You don't frighten us, English pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur King, you and all your silly English k-nnnnniggets. Thpppppt! Thppt! Thppt! GALAHAD: What a strange person. ARTHUR: Now look here, my good man-- FRENCH GUARD: I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! GALAHAD: Is there someone else up there we could talk to? FRENCH GUARD: No. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a! [sniff] ARTHUR: Now, this is your last chance. I've been more than reasonable. FRENCH GUARD: (Fetchez la vache.) OTHER FRENCH GUARD: Quoi? FRENCH GUARD: (Fetchez la vache!) [mooo] ARTHUR: If you do not agree to my commands, then I shall-- [twong] [mooooooo] Jesus Christ! KNIGHTS: Christ! [thud] Ah! Ohh! ARTHUR: Right! Charge! KNIGHTS: Charge! [mayhem] FRENCH GUARD: Hey, this one is for your mother! There you go. [mayhem] FRENCH GUARD: And this one's for your dad! ARTHUR: Run away! KNIGHTS: Run away! FRENCH GUARD: Thppppt! FRENCH GUARDS: [taunting] LAUNCELOT: Fiends! I'll tear them apart! ARTHUR: No, no. No, no. BEDEVERE: Sir! I have a plan, sir.
[later]
[wind] [saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw] [clunk] [bang] [rewr!] [squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak] [rrrr rrrr rrrr] [drilllll] [sawwwww] [clunk] [crash] [clang] [squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak...] [creak] FRENCH GUARDS: [whispering] C'est un lapin, lapin de bois. Quoi? Un cadeau. What? A present. Oh, un cadeau. Oui, oui. Hurry. What? Let's go. Oh. On y va. Bon magne. Over here... [squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak...] [clllank] ARTHUR: What happens now? BEDEVERE: Well, now, uh, Launcelot, Galahad, and I, uh, wait until nightfall, and then leap out of the rabbit, taking the French, uh, by surprise. Not only by surprise, but totally unarmed! ARTHUR: Who leaps out? BEDEVERE: U-- u-- uh, Launcelot, Galahad, and I, uh, leap out of the rabbit, uh, and uh... ARTHUR: Ohh. BEDEVERE: Oh. Um, l-- look, i-- i-- if we built this large wooden badger-- [clank] [twong] ARTHUR: Run away! KNIGHTS: Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away! [CRASH] FRENCH GUARDS: Oh, haw haw haw haw! Haw! Haw haw heh...

Very insightful. We used to celebrate what we had in common. Now we we emphasize the differences to the point where we have to put down what we have in common so that no one feels offended.

You're right François, I'm also in Vence ;-)

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Joel Steve
Fitter for the French Triathlon Federation
Fitter for Arkea Samsic Pro Cycling Team
Fitter for AG2R Pro Cycling Team

Pas la peine de craner, toi le petit! :P

Ici c'est l'enfer il fait froid et il pleut. On doit être mieux chez toi.
Bon on va avoir des remarques si on parle en Français non ?

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Joel Steve
Fitter for the French Triathlon Federation
Fitter for Arkea Samsic Pro Cycling Team
Fitter for AG2R Pro Cycling Team

Depuis quand se preoccupe-t-on des remarques?? :P
34c aujourd'hui...fait frais

My understanding from friends hailing from the UK is that they prefer "English" so as not to be lumped in with the Welsh ... but don't really mind one way or the other.

le singe est dans l'arbre

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Son nom est Ben. Il est Anglais. Il ne se brosse pas les dents.

allez-vous faire foutre!

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Tu peux me tutoyer gros con anglais

Doooood....so uncool...I almost snorted some very nice Merlot all over the laptop reading that!!

Absolutely classic scene....

Spot

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